a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 1 even though Nadal lost his serve at 2-3, those heavy forehand to forehand
exchanges really hurt Djokovic physically. |
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 2 1st serve - 4.0
2nd serve - 3.0
Forehand - 3.5+
Double hand backhand - 3.0+
backhand slice - 2.5
overhead - 3.5+
volley, drop, lob - n/a
court coverage - 3.0
overall - solid 3.0
Focus on improving your backhand and second serve, you can easily get into
competitive 3.5 level.
For 2nd serve, you don't want to slowdown the swing, practice same swing
speed with a little more top spin.
for backhand, reduce the use of slice, be more aggressive, move into the
position faster and do the double handed dr... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 3 不出界的高power才是优势。
出界的100mph forehand还不如人家老太太30mph的forehand. |
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P******9
发帖数: 183 | 4 我也是技术流的。 也看过很多的网球书，video. 关于这个问题，我把我知道的跟大家
说说，大家自己体会, 希望对大家有帮助。
missbear观察的很对，不仅罗迪克，几乎所有的pro,在击球动作的后半段左手都是收到
身侧的。但不是使躯干转得更快，而是使躯干停止得更快。这样能让右胳膊和拍子甩得
更快。 打个比方，你在bus 上，bus 急刹车，你被甩出去。bus 刹得越快，你被甩出
去越远。
Pro的动作不一定适合我们业余选手，但pro的动作都是有一定道理在里面的。如果你搞
清楚了其中的道理，你就知道那些可以学，那些学不来。Nadal的buggy whip 其实是可
以学的。在很多时候当你无法转体的时候，你只有绕头一周了。最典型的就是running
forehand, 也叫reverse forehand, 现在每个pro, 包括女子都在用。我见到很多业余
选手也在用。
【我觉得大家看 pro 的动作要明白 他的不一定都是对的， 也都不一定是最适合你的，
你看 nadal 的那个 头顶绕一圈的 buggy whip 是不是也要学？roddick 他把左手 收
住，可能是他就习惯了，或... 阅读全帖 |
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 5 ideally，每个shot都要有pause的瞬间，术语可以叫setup，可以叫load，当然我们初
学者对那些术语比较容易因为崇拜而害怕，其实就是停下来站定了，这个定可以是1s，
可以是半秒，可以是1/10秒，当然咱们低手3.0-的，优势就是对手球也慢，咱比较从容
，可以pose个半秒一秒的，喝口茶，然后再把球打回去就成了。
stroke 是load/explode，explode期间内可以跳，可以swing body，pro们load瞬间可
能很快，大家以为人家一直是运动中击球，其实真正没有load，就是running forehand
，running backhand，是在及其被动情况下不得已的，有时候running forehand
winner也是be forced to shot winner，这种情况下身体没有pause，但是pro们头脑里
还是有一瞬间的pause。
approach shot也是，你跑上去一定要停下来一下再打，volley也一样，你要是体会你
hold了那么split second，你的volley肯定和你仓促出手大不一样。
这个是个backhand... 阅读全帖 |
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 6 Start from two things:
1. a relaxed wrist, not locked, tight, forcing...
2. you swing to accelerate the head of the racquet, not the handle or the
whole racquet. At the hitting point, the racquet head should be much faster
than the handle. As a matter of fact, at hitting point, the handle is not
moving forward at all, it moves perpendicular to ball flying direction -
right to left for FF forehand, low to high for Nadal reversed forehand - the
result is the same, complete sideways motion on handl... 阅读全帖 |
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m******r
发帖数: 1686 | 7 转载一篇：
My training schedule as a professional tennis player.
I saw a post about how awesome it would be to become a pro. It truly can be
great, but the work to get there is pretty unfathomable for most. I thought
I would give you a day in my life from 1993 to 1995 when I was on tour. I
was a top 400 player and made very little money. It was not as beautiful a
picture as most would dream. Here was a typical training day:
I trained with a guy named Lawson Duncan for a while and here is what we did
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T*********0
发帖数: 4816 | 8 你说的对，但chai大侠不会同意你的看法的。不管你由于啥，chai大侠都不认为
moonball和flatout forehand一样帅，因为chai大侠目前更在意的是打的爽，并不是得
分。
对于moonball和flatout forehand真的是否一样帅，我个人持保留意见。但我个人倒真的认为，如果一个年轻人就过分偏爱lob，把moonball打的比他自己的其它技能都超好，那他注重的方向可能是有些偏了。同时我也觉得，一个网球高手，即使是业余的，如果他的网球水平很高，那他的lob水平也不会太低的。 |
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f**7
发帖数: 146 | 9 您太客气了。
I couldn't really understand well about both "shoulder turn" and "follow
through" until I start watching those slow motion videos showing how FF hit
his forehand (backhand in particular, my fav!).
Very often I heard people saying that my "引拍不够“. Actually, if you pay
more attention to FF's pull back, you will find he does it very little or
none! Most time, he started forehand swing while the racquet was just
reaching his right hand side, no further pull back at all. He generates the
power ... 阅读全帖 |
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d******t
发帖数: 583 | 10 在家抱着25lbs的女儿蹲着起跳，结果把左大腿（弱腿）拉伤了，
本来不想参加今天的league game （其实是city wise team (60 teams) ladder game),
但想想两三个星期才轮到一次，而且我们这次高手众多，输了我这场，赢下别的也应该很
容易，所以就上了。
对手是一跟我几乎一样的非常稳定的打法，不过他是左手，forehand可以打出很快的
flat, backhand不是很强（但也不容易打死），上星期的单打中2：0胜另一组的第二单打。
我一上来就1：5落后了（慢热是我本色阿），连追六个game， 7：5， 第二局腿都快
不能走了，看着球还能追一追，5:2领先，被连追两局，还好最后6：4胜，丑陋的win阿，
正式比赛不能多打，太保守，太丑陋。他的左手我倒没太不适应，主要我这种打法，好像
打左边或者右边都比较随便，没什么偏好，而且我的backhand/forehand的防守也很平均
如果要看丑陋比赛的举个手，超过10个我就传个video.
其实我们最后输了一个双打，所以如果我输，我们就打平了，我的game还是matter的。
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d******t
发帖数: 583 | 11 上周ladder game挑战了一个solid 4.5，（此人对阵自称4.0
（包括我的队长），从未失一盘，而且打的联赛也是全4.5/5的）。
真是轻松阿，半小时搞定，6：1，6：2，不用挣扎，基本没出汗，
想跟原来和4打的时候一样把自己累死都没机会。可惜那天没带camera.
一陀背一九几中青年壮汉，我一发16桢，他比我明显要快，不知道多少，
知道比赛快结束我才接过去几个，但也只是多一两个回合而已。二发是正
宗的侧上旋，落地感觉有15度的变线，自己不加力的话，球飞老高出去，
但二发我还可以基本都接过去，但质量也不高。他的战术很简单，一发
二发全上网，网前很steady,倒不是特别暴力。他的发球局我好象总共
就拿了三个破发点（两game内），都没破。
正手的球很低很快的侧旋，以靠右边边线的为主，20几frame的二发
被他无失误的拉到右边边线外，够都够不着。只能二发一发一样发，连我
都被迫在比赛中有双误了。
唯一的弱点是反手上旋不好，容易ue,但他反手基本全是削，削的很深
很低，然后上网，一样没解.另外我意识到水平差一截的时候，
想打到人家的弱side都很难，有时候心里想... 阅读全帖 |
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b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 12 下手发削球，你就当他底线削个不长不断的球就好了，如果跑的快，趁球跳高的地方可
以上选打过去，如果反映满点，要么你也削球，要么你用reverse forehand打过去。
reverse forehand风险大点，如果落点不好，对方可以抽球过来。 |
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f**7
发帖数: 146 | 13 I watched your video and read a few comments made by our fellows. Here is my
comment:
You did perfectly fine. This is the perfect starting of forehand slicing!
The right forehand slicing should look very much like single backhand stroke
- a butterfly style. I can see that you are just learning it. It's the
right start. Don't be mislead.
Your issue - not really an issue since you will correct it on your own soon
- is that your body is a bit too close to the ball. Maybe you should let Lao
Sang fee... 阅读全帖 |
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 14 Actually, a lob should be executed as a high forehand, not much difference
from your normal top spin forehand, only to aim higher. When practice, you
want to keep your full swing and aim gradually higher and higher, from high
top spin shot to moonball shot to eventually a lob... the key is to keep the
same form, which makes the lob a lot easier to master... |
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 15 打了一个赛季的我们local的day league，8个月，5个court都是双打，对双打技战术有
了一些认识，下面的文章我觉得写得不错，和我体会到的比较相似，也给我提供了需要
进一步提高巩固的地方。
http://www.active.com/tennis/Articles/3-Shots-You-Need-for-Doub
Perhaps one of the biggest reasons that people fail in their quest to play
great doubles is that they have the wrong shots.
There are certain shots I often see people trying to hit when they play
doubles that are just not the best shots they could play.
And maybe worse still, they spend a whole load of time (and money) trying to
impr... 阅读全帖 |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 16 First thing I might ask: what grip do you teach? Most older coach only teach
eastern or continental grip. They can't play or teach semi western grip.
That's why I prefer younger coach.
Second thing I might ask: do you teach windshield wiper forehand? If a coach
doesn't know WW forehand and cannot demo it by himself, he's mostly likely
cannot teach modern tennis. |
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w*****y
发帖数: 100 | 17 【 以下文字转载自 TennisOnly 俱乐部 】
发信人: wchenny (liveisshort), 信区: TennisOnly
标 题: Re: 菜鸟在Ladder 里的第一场比赛，求建议
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jul 29 12:35:03 2012, 美东)
Thanks Kenny for your great advice. The match is pretty much like you
described. I won by 6-4, 4-6 and tie break 7-5. A great experience for me.
Here are some thoughts/questions I have after the game:
1. I surprised myself that I was pretty peaceful mentally throughout the
game. Concentrate and focus on the coming ball helps a lot. Don't think too
mu... 阅读全帖 |
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p*******0
发帖数: 1817 | 18 上张百看不厌的俺德最新靓照
----
Novak Djokovic plays a forehand against Fabio Fognini
Novak Djokovic of Serbia plays a forehand during the men's Singles Tennis
match against Fabio Fognini of Italy on Day 2 of the London 2012 Olympic
Games at Wimbledon.The second seed was made to work for his first round win
in three sets 6-7 6-2 6-2.
The second seed, who carried Serbia's flag at the Opening Ceremony on Friday
, looked uncomfortable with his footing on the grass and was tied at 7-7 in
the first-set tie-break ... 阅读全帖 |
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d******t
发帖数: 583 | 19 一老印同事，人很nice,经常主动要教我们这些个菜鸟打球。在一个usta 4.0
的中游队伍中还算主力，打了几年了，是4.0 (c).因为我以前认识的人没
有一个打usta的，所以这也算是对我跟usta的第一次接触把。
终于找了一天，一堆同事一起去练练，的确很牛，发球（练习的时候）每个都是
一米左右一弹触网，forehand ,单反 和volley 也都是虎虎有生气，动作跟教课书一样，
groudstroke 也都是绝对一弹触网的，水平绝对在我之上。
和他打了一局，结果我侥幸6：0胜了。没录像，所以我也不知道具体是怎么回事。
感觉他试过很多东西，猛球－－全给我push回去，高上旋到我的forehand/backhand
--我微笑着高回去或者低削回去， 他用dropshot－－我大笑着跑过去给它弄到场地的
四个角，他试图用上网对付我－－－我狂笑着轻松lob,就算被打到，移动中overhead
也打不死啊，继续lob
他跟我push, 我就dropshot 再跟一lob....
每个球都能打很久，我也不发力, 基本没有ue.
特想看看自己那天是怎么接发球的，几乎没游接丢一... 阅读全帖 |
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 20 Once I hit the ball with a colleague years ago and he said he should be 5.5
though he said he didn't know exactly his rating either. He used to be in
the college team of Penn State, and he said he played tennis 6 hours a day
as a kid and his mom had to drag him off the court for dinner.
We just hit the ball for 45 minutes. I can manage the forehand, though he
still has better spin and pace, but ther is no competetion at all when he
went for my backhand. I went to the net for about 10 times and o... 阅读全帖 |
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F*****o
发帖数: 4012 | 21 “semi，二者之间”是老三说的吧？这两者是你先说的“菜刀”和“平着拍”。
应该是“东方式（EASTERN FOREHAND GRIP）”，在“菜刀”和“平着拍(semi)”之间。
其实老三根本不懂什么叫“EASTERN FOREHAND GRIP”。 |
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J****0
发帖数: 2400 | 22 If you rely that much on wrist snap to accelerate then either you are very
good or you have problem with your forehand.
For changing direction, contact point is more important. And again, if you
rely on wrist snap to control your direction then either you are very good
or you have problem with your forehand.
In tennis, the power or control you get from wrist snap doesn't pay off for
the risk of ruining your wrist. |
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 23 我说的正手位球，你这怎么听怎么是侧身正手。正手位球是
down the line/cross court的选择好不好？
reverse forehand我是完全不会打，上次看见教练教美女 topspin approach，
不是reverse forehand，是windshield wiper。
有个印象王越的教学片说大小威反手approach都是open stance，
方便follow up，那个学不来，不过我正手现在是用open stance的。 |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 24 btw，今天前半程练forehand的时候教练都说我现在forehand有pace了，呵呵 |
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c*********e
发帖数: 1389 | 25 not really, it is very common for strong serve/forehand to lose to
counterpuncher, chipncharge, etc.
btw, it seemed that you tried to combine strong serve and forehand in the
live against bill. not bad though you lost.this may not be the only way to
beat bill but should be easier than pushing agaisnt him. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 26 Whichever that can redirect the ball away from the direction it
comes.
E.g., if the ball comes from deuce court and I am at deuce court,
and I am right-handed, backhand volley;
if the ball comes from ad court and I am at ad court,
forehand volley -- this requires me to move to the left by 1 step.
Similarly:
If the ball comes from ad court and I am at deuce court, forehand;
If the ball comes from deuce court and I am at ad court, backhand. |
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T*********0
发帖数: 4816 | 27 用我forehand，让他突然改用左手做forehand，这种比赛我还是有希望的，LOL。 |
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 28 most this are depending on the situation, depends on how good your opponent'
s forehand is, and how comfortable you are at the net. I think at 3.5 or
even 4.0, you are fine.
My personal experience is I get passed a lot on those type of shots. The guy
will be going for broke and hitting a forehand on the run, at 4.5 or above
they often make those. So I learned it's actually better to just go straight
down the middle. :) |
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M***x
发帖数: 288 | 29 Man... I have a lot of going-ons in my life recently... Haven't played even
one ATL match yet.
I have time to hit at lunch break though. Do you wanna join me and
TexasFarmer tomorrow noon?
I couldn't tell who that is in your video until I see your signature
forehand lol, that forehand made me suffer especially on my BH side. |
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T*********0
发帖数: 4816 | 30 三天前刚刚在版上挖坑说了我这一周以来的运动量。昨晚我们的USTA比赛，我又如期地
参加了比赛，也又一次锻炼了我的小心脏，还让我的小心脏越来越强大了。
昨晚的比赛，因为我们队的绝对高手鲑鱼同学被DQ了，我被迫披挂上阵去打No.1
Single。赛前，鲑鱼同学就提醒我，对手的No.1 Single player是很强的。去年他的
team都打进National了，他本人也刚刚赢了上一场的No.1 Singles match，今年1-3月
份，他还参加了6场4.5level的Spring Singles League matches，两次出阵No.1
player，3次出阵No.2 player，3赢3输。应该是绝对的top4.0或非常接近4.5了。
比赛开始，1st set我打的太烂了。对手的主要weapons就是backhand slice和forehand
super high Topspin。他的backhand很flat，low，fast，and deep。Forehand
Topspin，lots of spin，来球很高，bounce的很高。这两项，在1st set真的让我出现... 阅读全帖 |
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 31 my understanding of "pull the trigger" is change your shot from a heavy
loopy
topspin, to a more flat shot, from a windshield wiper type of forehand to a
more classical type of topspin forehand. Power level should be the same. |
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 32 哈哈，偶running forehand=reverse forehand或者squash shot，能把球捞回cross
court深处就行，进攻就不想了 |
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T*********0
发帖数: 4816 | 33 你的点评非常有道理。
最基本的，我能做的，是在用forehand的时候，应该把左手伸出去，用来平衡身体，同
时这样做的话，或许forehand会稍稍能自动去舒展开一些，因为我那种是在有意的去纠
正姿势。
50% |
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 34 macro level 的我就不说了，相信你自己也看得出来，多比赛几次也会 有感触。
说几个细小的吧。
1。发球抛球：你习惯于先身体前仰，随着从前仰到直或靠后仰时抛球， 这让你抛球容
易偏后，抛球不稳。 看看pro 抛球时的身体位置，一般是稳定不动，或肩平，身子朝
前时抛。这个对你今后发球的发展会有影响。
2。 接发球grip: 感觉你非常怕人家发你反手，所以你的ready position基本是准备接
反手的姿势。建议左手握反手grip,右手空握但得是正手grip. 拍头不要太靠反手位置
，最好中间，中间偏反手些也行。 (this is based on watching you from the back,
when you are on the other side, it's too small to see. Since your @$$ is
blocking the view, I could be wrong on this. :P)
3. Forehand prep: upper arm is too close to the body, I would sugges... 阅读全帖 |
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a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 35 前几天帖的那个ATP forehand vs WTA forehand 油管把#2讲得再清楚不过, 去看那个
你就豁然开朗了. |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 36 Coach
2:25
just watched the whole thing
2:25
ur serve is getting better
Me
2:25
yeah. I noticed that too
2:25
but volley is horrible
Coach
2:25
and in the beginning of the match it looked like u were struggling with
short balls
Me
2:25
forehand is still awkward
2:25
yeah
Coach
2:25
ya on the run
Me
2:26
rally forehand is ok. but when running, still horrible
2:26
always jam myself
Coach
2:26
there was one point where u closed perfectly
2:26
a little better towards the end
Me
2:26
yeah. only one
C... 阅读全帖 |
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 38 我觉得老三有3.5的shots, 但没有3.5的game. 需要多练基本功和drill.
练基本功可以self feed + 打机器 + serve
drill 得找同样有passion 的朋友： mini tennis; side to side feeds, 4 balls
quarter circle forehand, 5 balls deep, approach shot, 2x volley + overhead,
6 cones zig zag forehand and backhand. Always do some footwork drill each
time.
基本功扎实了， 跑动球稳定了，比赛就是练心态和实践了。 从现在起，一个星期
drill 两次，自己练习一次，比赛1~2场。 一年该可以到4.0的门槛. |
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 39 Henry lost because his backhand stroke has no offense at all.
Gordan's forehand is also better in control and stroke mechanics.
Henry's forehand topspin is very good through. If he can improve his stroke
mechanics,he will be better. |
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i**t
发帖数: 921 | 40 This is a typical 5.0 vs 6.0
white shirt is a solid 5.0, can generate pace on both forehand and backhand.
but facing a much stronger player he tends to over hit and as a result much
more errors than he normally would. First serve is a weapon and second
serve has placement. Many of his normal shots could be a winner against
average guys.
red shirt is like a pro, handles pace with ease. very consistent. obviously
didn't go all out because he is at least 1.0 level better than the white
shirt. white... 阅读全帖 |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 43 4.0+的高手们谁会用类似小德的dip drive forehand攻high bounce topspin球？
Nadal球每次都拉得那么转，弹得那么高，要我们一般人只会退后topspin拉回去，但小
德每次都是在高点抽出往下压的dipping forehand，既有过往网的Clearane，又不会出
界。这倒底是怎么打得？有什么诀窍？ |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 44 If you use semi western forehand, dip drive is probably the best and safest
way.
Not sure about it if you use eastern forehand. |
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发帖数: 326 | 45 Thanks. Footwork is on my improving list. The action I am taking for now is
anticipating more actively instead of being lazy. (I used to wait more since
I was very fast thank for soccer, but AGE!) I am a little laggy on the day
and this is actually part II of the hitting after around an hour. I'll try
to upload the part I later and please check and comment on it.
Wellmoon is right about my forehand, which I hit the ball late and didn't
put my weight on the hitting, that is on my goal to improve ... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 46 You have a better backhand than forehand. You have a better serve than
forehand. |
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发帖数: 185 | 47
Honestly, if everything he said were from his Major coach, something is not
right. I really doubt his credentials based on what he described, sounds
like an old school technique, focused on neutral/close stance forehand,
volley and serve.
1. His boy is right-handed and w/modern techniques, his shoes wear-out
doesn't make any sense. If his boy plays open-stance inside out forehand
dominately, left shoes should wear out faster than right's. Black you can
confirm w/atp players or coaches you ... 阅读全帖 |
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x*d
发帖数: 1696 | 48 His forehand smash does look a little bit like Federer's :)
He kept attacking Verdasco's forehand, must have studied him. |
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x*d
发帖数: 1696 | 49 You can perhaps make a compromise at the moment. If the director's major
concern is on that he doesn't change backhand grip. You can keep his
forehand grip for the moment, but force him to rotate on backhand grip, i.e.
you change 50% instead of 100%.
This way he'll be less likely stressed too much during tournament, otherwise
he will have to think both forehand and backhand, think about the direction
, think about position.... That's too overwhelming.
Talk to the director in a humble way about y... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6757 | 50 楼主是eastern forehand grip, 想模仿Federer的正手吧? 第一感觉是击球点有些偏后
,如果有机会还是打close stance, step into the ball 就得step in 打close stance
. 我认为这才能充分体现出eastern forehand grip 的优势. open stance semi open,
更适合打上旋, semi-wester grip 更好些. Federer 有机会step in 决不会open
stance wait for the ball. 即使他是open/semi-open, 他也常会transfer到front
leg. 能有这种weight transfer, 击球点一定得再更前方些 (相对你目前的击球点).
还有就是你的finish, 有些刻意的停拍, 没有充分放松,让拍子甩完. 你可以注意下当
你挥完时butt cap 对哪里, 再看看federer 挥完时butt cap 对哪里. 应该是对着正前
方,你的有时是对着偏右面==> lack of racquet head speed =... 阅读全帖 |
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