T*********0
发帖数: 4816 | 1 我深知自己的serve和forehand的问题。
我的serve是属于flat serve那种。我的serve的问题多了，但最大的问题，是没有搔背
drop racquet的动作，无法把自己的力气充分发挥出来，用到挥拍上。
我的forehand是我自己的强项，具体体现在control和power还都ok。但forehand的动作
很不规范，看上去，就知道是没有跟coach正规的学过。我的forehand的问题是击球时
从身后引拍子幅度不够，没有舒展开来去充分swing, 同时在收拍子时的follow thru不
够到位。也就是说，我的forehand的整个swing幅度小，没有舒展开。因为我的arm比一
般的多数人要有力气，所有导致我过多地适用小臂的力量，击球点也距离自己的身体过
近了。
决心今后半年内，在和朋友打球时，在一下不重要的打球或比赛中，自己不去太在意比
分，要更多的注意自己的动作和姿势，去纠正自己的这些问题。如果姿势能得到改善，
时间长了，一旦改善后的姿势成了我的正常姿势了，那水平或许会稍稍提高一些呢。 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 2 that will become more and more like shakehand, why not just change to
shakehand?
it also needs less and less footwork.
I have not seen a good male penholder who can use RPB as well as his
forehand.
Even 2600s coach xiao Liu still uses his forehand mostly.
But for some girls, due to the fact their forehand is not powerful enough,
they would have as consistent RPB as their forehand, eg Zhao Yue, Jiaqi... |
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 3 不用搞那么复杂。running forehand主要的难点在于你在拼命向右跑（左撇子相反）时
，还要向左、向前蹬地转体发力。cross court就更要向左多转一些才行。正常的正手
发力有>50%的力量来自于转体和重心前移，只有很小部分才直接来自胳膊挥拍。
running forehand来自转体和重心前移的贡献就很小了。解决办法：
1. 最根本的是跑到位。如果能提前跑或跑快点，及早到位，就会有更多时间转体和上
重心，问题就解决了
2. 如果实在跑不到位，就基本没时间转体和上重心了。那就意味着要全靠挥臂来发力
了。这时要提前拉拍，增加拉拍幅度和following through的程度。即使这样也很难完
全弥补不能转体和上重心引起的力量丧失。这时，为了使球在力量不足的情况下也能打
的比较深，就只能把球打高点了（一般都打高上旋）。这就是为什么很多running
forehand都要向上挥拍，甚至打reverse forehand
3. 在2的情况下，要打cross court，就更要提前击球，这要求更早的拉拍，且拉拍更
向右，然后向左挥拍。球高没关系，反正这时一般都打上旋球，你会刷球就行。 |
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 4 没什么特别的窍门。。。 你指的：
"那种正手位一下子被人pull得非常wide的情况，
对方已经上网，不是鱼死就是网破的情况。"
唯一能说的就是keep your wrist really loose and keep your eye tracking the
ball... 什么dtl, reversal forehand... 可以说都是浮云。 真要被逼到“不是鱼死
就是网破的情况”的情况下， 你根本没机会打cross court, 如果能打cc, 对手又上网
， 那你该能打 cc topspin lob... 这种情况下基本就是靠手腕flick 或 slap一下。
。。 至于reverse forehand， 其实你已经被拉开了， you are reaching out to hit
the ball, 手臂的力很难用上， 所以只有放松顺着这个手腕的flick自然就是reverse
forehand了。 我打 reverse
fh 都不是 "intentional"的。 这和豆子的reverse forehand 不一样， 很多wsn想
copy， 但只是个型而已。
我觉得... 阅读全帖 |
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d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 5 running forehand的步法跟开放式正手没什么区别，只是少了稳定重心这一步．
reverse forehand是因为没有时间转体充分发力，所以靠手腕把球刷起来．你如果平时
就会打reverse forehand，那跑动中也应该没问题．
reverse forehand因为上旋强，所以适合打过往急坠的穿越球．
court |
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p******f
发帖数: 341 | 6 hehe. Roger using his short offensive slice caused a lot trouble
to his opponents.
I tried myself too since i was one hand backhand player for so many
years. Love to use slice, especially for those fast ofensive slice.
When I got a mid high ball on backhand, I will from up down slice
it inside the service line to opponent forehand.
Here, most percentage shot would be, your opponent mostly will
hit a cross forehand to you. So, get ready hit a down the line forehand
passing shot!
Very effective to |
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o******r
发帖数: 346 | 7 1, 纳达尔击正手球时，在backswing同时，和人们预料的正相反，他的重心移到了后腿
上而不是前腿，也与教科书教授的方法不同。这让他的running forehand跟正常击球一
样有力。
2，而纳达尔正手技术中最与众不同的方面之一，却是在击球瞬间：通常使用西式握拍
法的球员都会在靠近身体的地方击球，同时伴随着明显的屈肘动作。但纳达尔正手击球
时手是几乎完全伸展的。此外他击球时完全是后脚用力，身体右侧扭转，上半身打开。
3，击球之后，他的球拍在上腹部绕了一圈。而他的重心最终才移向了右腿。令人惊讶
的是，从拉拍算起他的球拍绕了身体一周。这种肩部大回转，让他的击球既有力又旋转。
4,纳达尔的running forehand呢，最大得益还是来自于他娴熟的环绕过顶随挥（over-
the-head finish）。大多数球员，象莎拉波娃，更多倾向于用过顶随挥来防守，因为
过顶随挥多数是受迫时打出来的。而纳达尔的受迫running forehand，他的环绕过顶随
挥的方式击球的旋转性跟正常随挥一样，都差不多3200转/分.Nadal is able to hit
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 8 我猜就会有人说这个。你说的对，如果能打有速度有落点的直线，当然打直线。这是攻
击姿态。但是很多时候打running forehand时都是在很难受的情况下，也就是你在
defensive时。这时的原则是一定要打cross court。如果打直线，对方会很容易打你的
cross court到你反手，这时你人基本已经到最右边了，几乎肯定没办法跑回你的反手
。相反，如果你一开始打running forehand cross court，对方回球的角度基本都是向
着你来的，你能救到球队几率会大的多。大家拿纸画画就明白了。打cross court还有
个好处是球在空中飞行时间长，给自己回位的时间也长一些，特别是深而高跳的上旋球。
running forehand总结：
1. 在你提前跑到位，有把握时，打down the line winner
2. 在狂奔救球时，玩命刷尽量深而高跳的cross court上旋球 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 9 is the key to break 2000, let alone 2200, 2300.
Tonight, played Zhang, Hongzhong, last time i played him was over 12 years
ago
at Sac tourm i won.
He has huge forehand, very powerful loop from anywhere, just like a Jap
penholder,
even though his reverse backhand loop was not bad at all in practice, but he
rarely uses in real competition.
I led 2:1, but lost the 5th as 7:11.
If i had his forehand loop, i could easily break 2100, close to 2200. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 10 there are over 15 penholders over 2000 as i know, milestone is an exception.
the majority has a lot better forehand.
any penholder who wants to break 2000 needs to improve his forehand, don't
learn from milestone, his style is so unique, not the way for us to work on. |
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l*b
发帖数: 8 | 11 Every player wants to have a “heavier” forehand, so everybody is working on
it but just at different levels.:) Forehand technique includes many details.
Although you have provided a lot of info on yours, I still feel very hard to
give you any diagnoses. You might want to find a good player or a coach around
to have a full instruction.
However, I still have some points to say according to my experience. Your
backswing seems too high. Often a direct moderate backswing is more compact
and more reli |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 12 Last night, i played a self-claimed 3.5 player, afterwards, i realized he is
a pusher, returned everyback from baseline, move very fast, almost no
unforced errors.
How to practise our forehand to add more power/spin/speed to get more
forehand winners? |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 13 Man, if you can't figure that out as a 2150 Pingpong player, I
don't know if anybody could give you any advices here, hehe.
forehand is one of the most alike aspect between Pingpong and
tennis ah. If you 扣杀 well in Pingpong, you should automatically
be good at tennis forehand ah.
is |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 14 thearetically, i might be able to image some ways to improve like
table tennis, but my control in tt is way a lot better than its in
tennis, also when just practise, i could add a lot more topspin
to my forehand, but in real games, due to the pressure or footwork,
i hit a lot weaker forehand.. help please! |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 15 The only solution is: Windshield Wiper Forehand!!
Or in some USTA coaching videos, it is referred as Circular momentum (
compared to linear momentum for traditional forehand)
is |
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 16 1. 先原地练reverse forehand，练成了，你就可以成为反手克星了，尤其对付单发。
2. 然后再练running reverse forehand，不用跑太凶，跑动距离是左右两三步就好，
体会一下跑动中open stance的感觉。
3. 学会滑步 slide. 在底线中间往左右跑，跑到差不多边线是，挥拍，转身，滑步，
来回多次。。。这个有点像折返跑的练习。。。 |
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t*********r
发帖数: 630 | 17 Please. Don't get it more complicated that it should be. Are you consistant
on your forehand strokes? Are you running on your toes? Do you have good
form? Are you back on your ready position after each stroke. Those are
fundamental but critical for you to become a solid 4.0 player. The reverse
forehands are only for those shots that are out of position. You can win
without those so called "advanced" shots if you horn your basic ground
strokes.
Drill? Play more with partners who can feed balls to |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 18 你说的打cross court buy time的论点是正确的，但是“如果你一开始打
running forehand cross court，对方回球的角度基本都是向着你来的”
这点就不对了。为啥别人不会打running forehand down the line回到
你的反手侧（尤其是遇到偶这种根本不会打cross court的）？其实running
cross court比down the line更需要发力，容易导致重心向场外甩，归位
更不容易。只不过cross court飞行时间长，所以归位时间上更充裕。
所以偶认为像那个FL老头说的那样，这种球要么go for the winner
(down the line fast ball), 要么buy time (cross court slow ball).
球。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 19 场面上他比对面的牛比, 身体条件也好。打比赛的话不知道。
两个人都用APD，对面这个是正常forehand. 偶感觉这个reverse forehand
非得用这种大力拍才能有足够力量啊。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 20 这个人明显是故意用的。如果你见过Murray vs Nadal的比赛，你就知道
是什么场面（此人是Murray，不停的往cross court灌reverse forehand）。
唯一区别是这两人都是右手。
偶觉得跟拍子有关。老费的reverse forehand看着就和Nadal的不是一种
风格，基本上属于你说的那种"正常情况下不会用的，都是晚了才用"。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 21 这一点上偶吃亏太多次了。
偶和对手都是右撇子。
偶forehand cross court到对方forehand, 此时双方位置都很偏，偶根据对称
原理回到右方离中点还有好一段距离的位置（差不多是中点到边线的中间）。
此时对方如果DTL, 偶基本上不是被winner, 就是极其被动的反手削球，然后
基本上就杯具了。
是不是偶的站位太靠右了？ |
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f*****k
发帖数: 36 | 22 any comparison statistic about unforced error and win pts for Murray's
backhand and forehand for tonight game. I think he has the best 2 hand
backhand and his backhand is looking more stronger and stabler than his
forehand. this is his great advantage. |
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 23 我看板上奔的，印象最深的漂亮的forehand是realfan的，现在想想，他就是非常漂亮
的atp forehand。 |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 24 请问running forehand有什么窍门？是那种正手位一下子被人pull得非常wide的情况，
对方已经上网，不是鱼死就是网破的情况。假设对方已经上网，一般来说cross court
基本上是送死，必须打出on the run DTL的dipping shot。这种球的步伐，准备，拍面
和随挥有什么窍门吗？
btw, 我的那个刚升4.5的球友这种球打得非常好，好像他拍子基本上在前面没有什么大
的backswing, 他说就是一个flip wrist的动作。但YouTube上的一些教程说准备必时候
须举高拍子，等等。我自己试打几次，如果要用reverse forehand follow through,
DTL的球不是飞了，就是打中拍框。好像如果我要打dipping DTL， follow through 在
上臂附近也可以。
另外步伐上，是不是最后右脚跨一大步时backswing, 然后左脚cross over的时候同时
挥拍？ |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 25 对方slice 或volley到我正手大角后已经封网，来球很低，必须鱼死网破DTL穿越，
cross court肯定是死而且没法dipping (因为跑动中去钩球，cross court只能reverse
forehand loop)。 这个DTL running forehand 真难打，必须得要算准最后一步的距
离。有什么窍门吗？ |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 26 很多视频的tips都是东一条西一条，不一定适用于所有人，只有自己挖掘慢慢体会，争
取多体会些。
Backswing tip朝哪里对我来说也没有用（或者说不是我需要考虑的）。但是第二个视
频里有一条tip我第一次听到，昨晚试了试好像非常不错的：就是这个教练提到shorten
the backswing 到一个程度上你感觉就像正手half volley。z昨晚练习赛的时候就想
着half volley+放松， atp
forehand 的power就出来了。接下了我要在不动场合下我要微调球拍关闭的程度和
swing path，真正做到强烈的spin/rpm/lower trajectory 才行。我一球友就做得非常
好，inside out forehand 都能dipping 到边界内而且速度非常快，这是我努力的目标
[在 xiaonan (语虚何以言知) 的大作中提到：]
:谢谢分享。
:看完了，很失望。Florian很多视频都是这样，一到关键点就省略跳过，要你去买他课
.这个视频也是这样，光唠叨shorten backswing+tip toward right side对普通人是... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 27 agree with this, serves are very important for sure, but as long as you
reach
over 2000, having a powerful, consistent forehand is a lot more important.
For the guys you mentioned, many serve long in order to serve spinny, for
opponents over 2000, they will initial attack for any long serves.
Good serves take more parts for U2000 players. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 28 he did use a lot of expensive rubbers/blades as i heard, he trained with
Steven Wang when Wang was at Peninsula TT club.
His weakness is his backhand and short ball control.
I was curious how he improved his forehand in the past 10 years. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 29 it is never too late to start to train footwork, ZHang, HZ is older than
myself,
he trained his footwork 08-10...
It is also common knowledge that penholder needs faster footworker:
1. one side penholder needs to use forehand a lot more often,
2. penholder w/ RPB still needs to cover 5-10% more due to the way the
racket
is held, shakehand's racket can cover 5-10cm more space.
3. shakehand has middle as their weakness, so they normally just to move
their
bodies to hit the ball against their bodie... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 30 Just because i, myself felt it was so hard for me to improve my
forehand attack/loop skills, i was surprised to see a guy, similar
style as myself, could improve so much in his powerful loop skills... |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 31 the very first time i played Yong was in a Chinese tournament, singles,
back to 1996, he entered BEGINNER's category, still 21 points, i lost
him in semi-, and won bronze match, that was my first ever medal in
California.
A few years later, he had been top player in PA TTClub for a long time,
beat Voltair all the time, but was in 2200 level for 10 years.
I heard he had 5-6 year professional training when he was a junior at
Chengdu.
His style is just like Gao Jun's, he can smash forehand very har... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 32 Yong and Milestone are totally different styles, Ted Chen of PATTC
had been learning from Ren for a long time.
Yong's style was very formal, you can feel his ball is not strange
at all, very comfortable style, i liked to play him, sometimes he
even let me win one game (21 points).
Milestone has attacks on his forehand too, the 100% pure blocker
is penholder Vincent, 2100 level. |
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c*******s
发帖数: 19 | 33 I don't know why my forehand is always quite weak.
Here it is for my symptoms:
1. When I tried to open the racket a little bit (to feel that when hit the
ball my raq is actually perpetular to the ground) I tend to overhit, the ball
fly far and flat.
2. when I tried to add more spin, I feel I take raq back too much, so when I
actually swing the raq, the ball fly really high, but because of the spin I
added on, most of time, it will land in the service box, but no depth and
pace.
3. I watch a lot |
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c*******s
发帖数: 19 | 34 Again, thax for the discussion.
I have practiced more last week. Here is my feeling.
After watching what XXSHAS posted (the flash stuff), esp, the Pete's forehand.
I feel the important thing is to open your chest, I definitely see a sort of
idiosyncrasy between Pete, Roger and Safin.
The lower arm ( I mean the part of your arm that connects the shoulder, with
your Bi & tri cep on :) man, that should be your "lower arm" right? )
anyway, your lower arm is kind of parallel to the ground when you wa |
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p******f
发帖数: 341 | 35 It is not a easy shot if your opponent hit your a good low short slice to your
forehand. Look at Aus. Open, Roger hit a lot of these to his opponents, bring
them on the net and ready to pass.
I have a friend is doing the same thing to me. Instead of hitting passing shot
to me, he plays great lob on both side. The most is his slice backhand lob,
man, I don't know where he learn that! Very effective to me, I would say. It
always drop in one feet of the baseline, if he miss, it won't miss much at
a |
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x****s
发帖数: 356 | 36 Sure,i will use typical approaching if i want to go for a volley winner:
majority is deep shots with some spin to my enemy's backhand;if i want to
gamble, use inside-out;if we both are exharsted,try some nice drops. Hehe.
I have to say, approaching should always go to the weakness of your
opponents'ground shots. If his backhand is not so powerful and strong, i will
kick every approach to his backhand,even some time i may hit a winner to his
forehand. But the approach-volley will give me more pre |
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f**********o
发帖数: 228 | 37 I just noticed that federer hit his forehand with his right arm almost
totally straight. I don't even know how my swing looks like. I suppose it
looks more like an 150 degree angle, like female players with western grip.
Anyone shot videos of themselves playing tennis? I guess it'd help a lot. |
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f**********o
发帖数: 228 | 38 i tried straight arm forehand today with my gf (no one else plays with me
when it's 2 degree outside).. wow, it's so much better. longer reach, better
spin and more consistency. i was told years ago at the very beginning that
i should hit with my arm straight, yet i never believed it until i watched
federer's slow motion video on youtube last nite and tried it this morning.
one other thing i corrected after reading tennis magazine was i should not
turn my torso much for single topspin backhand. |
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 39 I just uploaded forehand topspin and backhand slice warm up practice.
I agreed with Sinopeter84 that the NTRP level is based on the match NOT the
practice. |
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 40 go to utube to watch pro's forehand/footwork in slow motion |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 41 thanks all.
i did watch some videos, learned to play my forehand (right) with
my left hand holding my right elbow, just feel the Windshield Wiper
can i do that in real match? i mean holding my right elbow? |
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 42 also, turn your grib to more western style will force u to more top-spin
forehand
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~sounds weird to
me. left arm is to balance the body. you should have both arms moving at
the same time, same direction, i.e. left if u r right handed. |
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p******f
发帖数: 341 | 43 after so many loss to Nadal, he was so rejected to this shot, He finally
prepared this shot when he enter French open.
You may watch last year French open last couple game, Roger was bang bang on
his forehand in the middle court, but Rafa 15 feet behind baseline to get
call the balls back with heavy top spin. |
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 44 手腕肯看看这个．他们的forehand虽然细节上有不同，譬如双方swing path有点不一样
，费费手腕更松，看球的时间更长．但总的来说都是一样的，尤其击球时动作． |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 45 You'll need to do reverse forehand swing just like Nadal. Instead of swing
across the other side of body or shoulder, you got to swing up the same side
of your shoulder or head. Of course it needs good racquet speed to generate
good power. |
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w*******y
发帖数: 184 | 46 为什么reverse forehand是反手克星呢？
另外，在水泥地上也能滑步吗？ |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 47 //nod, all my running topspin forehands are down the line. I simply
can't hit cross court topspin unless I stand still, //sigh. |
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发帖数: 2406 | 48 我不明白的是 running forehand cross court is advanced tech
很多 5.0 都不一定能打好。
为什么不打直线。
如果直线有速度的话 ，不一定比cross 威力要小
我基本都打直接，只要in 基本都是winner，or 能够够有机会来到网前。 |
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发帖数: 1389 | 49 just watch pete sampras' running forehand then go to practice that shot a
thousand times. let someone feed you 100 balls per day, then it only takes
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发帖数: 2406 | 50 很多人希望学习modern forehand， 因为topspin 更多，落点更深
下边是详细的教程和一些tip，
most from youtube
tip
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