k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 1 The highest buyin game I played was Sunday Mulligan ($216 Buyin), the prize
pool was about $240,000, not as big as $750,000 guarantee. $216 for $750,
000 guarantee may be more worth a try. You do need luck to reach the final
table. Bad beats are normal, after all in, all you can do is praying you
have enough chips to survive from bad beats. |
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l***q
发帖数: 62 | 2 平时打cash，如果有超过300 buyin的比赛才打。live的比赛如果buyin太低，有两个不
利之处：一是fee占的比例太大，比方说$40+$10之类，达到25%，无利可图；二是起手
的筹码太低，盲注涨得太快，二三十手牌之内就到了allin阶段了，比赛偶然性太大，
你打得比别人好也没什么用。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 3 niu.
but I guess online still should be tourney place, because easily to get ppls
, and they have lots of blinds structure, start chip stacks etc.
Casino tourney can not be too good, except those WSOP, WPT high buyin
tourneys, but should full of high ranking tourney players there. We are the
small fish, could not be too profitable. |
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l***q
发帖数: 62 | 4 以我的经验看，每次50BB buyin的话，在一个6-8小时的session里面需要动用4个及以
上buyin的次数超过25%。大概在30%到40%左右。我至少有100次连续记录的live
sessions，我的风格算是相对TAG，你如果比我loose，那么动用4个以及以上buyin的概
率可能要更高。
我现在去live，没有10个buyin一般是不会动身的，最低最低的底线也要8个buyin。如
果只有4个buyin，的确在70%左右的时间是可以挺过去的，但是输了3个buyin的时候我
一定会畏首畏尾，或者胡乱ontilt。我给自己下了死命令，决不允许去赌场的ATM，所
以10个buyin还是有必要的。我目前只有1次，在4个小时内输了10个buyin中的9个，于
是提前离开了赌场。其他时间都是按照既定时间离开赌场，没有因为输光钱而离开的。
更讽刺的是，唯一输了9 buyin的那次，是我认为对手相对较弱的桌子，我本来打算要
大赚一笔。没办法，正态分布和standard deviation就这样，我赶上了1%的可能而已。
对于长时间打牌的同志，其实不需要你技术多高，最重要的是计划和纪律。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 5 yeah.
I think the buyin is big deal. If you do not get sponsorship, one year's
buyin could be easily exceed 500k.
Even for me to play small buyin online, the buyin is just huge. I can easily
spend 500 bucks on one day for MTT only. If I get nothing, I just lose that
500 bucks in one day.
Online games, ppl said it is possible to lose 500 buyin in a big losing
session, suppose your average buyin is 100$, it is 50K downswing.
see
played
,
if |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 6 当然是对鄙人这条业余small stake 玩家来说。
1. 参加和有生以来第一次 live 的 SNG, $120 + $20. 到凯撒打 cash，发现现在凯撒
因为找不到足够的人玩 MTT，所以搞起了 single table SNG. 还挺好玩的，前两位有
payout $650, $350. 很不幸第一次玩就当了 bubble boy，给后来的第二位用一对 3
shove，用 AQ call 了之后，输了 coin flip. 最后 Small blind KTs, all in 4 BB,
不幸的是 BB 正好醒过来是一对 JJ。
运气真的是很重要，最终的第一名就是一只打不死的蟑螂，short stack 很久，然后
ALL - IN preflop AQs vs 我的 AK，给他 runner runer flush. 然后又在 4 hand 的
时候用 A7 all-in 我的 A8，谁料半路杀出个程咬金，chip leader shove with KJo,
我被迫 fold A8s preflop. 结果 flop 我还是 full house, 后来的第一名就靠这... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 7 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 没水了。 still lots of skill for 25BB structure. just fish got burned faster for
this game.
20 buyin is far from enough for hyper turbo husng. at least 50buyin for
small-middle stake. I prefer to have 80- 100 buyin at 100-200$ level and
150+buyin at 300+level. my roi is one of the best among regs at my level
back then, still experienced many 30+ buyin downswing. many top husng pro(
promordialaa, melanie weisnser) expereinced 60+ buyin downswing at 500$+
level playing hyper. still very profitable... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 8 no, It will be 50k ppl in it.
FTP does not want to make money from it, it want to give money away to
celebrate.
the buyin is 5 bucks, no rake. Which means ftp can not make money from it.
And all buyin adds up is 250k, the prize pool is 500k, which means FTP give
away 250K for add on money.
And the buyin can be 1000FTP points, do not need real money.
By the way, FTP have 5ftp buyin tourneys every 4 hours. the prize pool is 5k
. So, it means every 4 hours, FTP gives away 5k. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 9 I guess my HU skill is ok. And I can play 6 handed game very well.
Try to win the race for HU(event 9), and event 17.
But find event 17 has some sick token pro(The Fiend 34) in it. So, I decide to work on HU
race.
Today's HU game is tough, since a lot of high buyin HU regular are there.
My average buyin for HU is only 10 bucks. Those guys' average buyin is at
least 50bucks, some guy's average HU buyin is 400$.
Generally, the field is pretty tough.
Should say, pretty good result for me today.
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 find a HU pro(369 TBAGS), average HU buyin 450$, I guess he won over 250k from HU.
He will attend EVENT9.
Another high buyin HU player(stevesbets), average HU buyin 2100$, but he lose -1% on HU games.
He will attend EVENT9 also.
pot odd 3, regular highin HU player, average buyin around 2k, will attend that HU event9 also. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 11 周六下午session赢半个buyin, 晚上被打的找不到北输进去4 buyin，刚才睡前一个短
session打
回来3个半buyin...so sick...4 buyin的swing对于我这个nit还是有点压力的... |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 12 First, Cong~ on your win. It is very hard to win 23 buyin on st HU SNG in
one day.
Second,
some player goes up buyin level crazily.
Tollboothbandit played a lot of 50$ buyin level last year, but he played a
ton of 200$, 500$, even 1000$ buyin games recently.
Wish Player will catch up quickly.
in
min
.
on |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 13 3K is not miminmal buyin, i meant it is a normal buyin, it is only 75BB..
i guess 3 rack is 1500? it is only 36 BB..too short for limit game.
Wow, 你们那buyin这么高。我们这好象500 min buyin就可以了。我时3个rack是上限，
输完就走人。别人也很多像我这的。也可能我初学这个game, 不知内情吧。 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 14 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Yeah! 大约打了1300个MTT吧。平均BUYIN $10。ROI大约70%。
sharkscope就可以看到所有MTT的数据。不过所有的track网站都没法准确跟踪你在
REBUY/ADDON比赛中的buyin。他只能按平均buyin来算。而我是主打rebuy/addon的比赛
，又总是在rebuy结束时进去再加一个addon。所以网站就总高估我的buyin。 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 15 SNG ICM作用大，所以容易出现chip EV 和 money EV 差别大的情况。这时需要仔细权
衡。
MTT ICM作用不大。大多数时候可以偷懒把Chip EV算成值0.9 money EV就好了。也就是
说没死钱的时候51%的coin flip不划算。要55%以上的ODDS才可以。和cash也就这点小
区别。
MTT的bubble影响不是很大。因为一般进去也就2个buyin的奖金。当然，你要说WSOP ME
的那2个buyin太主要了所以你要fold进钱圈。这也合理。但那主要是bankroll和心理的
因素。EV肯定是-ev的。$10k buyin的比赛和$10 buyin的比赛在EV理论上没有本质区别。
MTT的final table payjump巨大。ICM起很大作用。这时才大量出现楼主说的要避免
variance的情况。我个人如果是chip leader的时候，在final table基本都是只玩
premium hand。几乎不make a play的。我对这种打法表示十分心情轻松愉快。这样打
大多数时候没牌会变成小筹码但是能安全进前3。按ICM缺省算法9个人时候的C... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 16 Say we are playing some loss Rebate promo in casino. If we deposit 10k
, we got
19% back if we loss all the 10k deposit. Based on computer simulation
result, if we bet 2000$ each time and play until we play hit 4k profit,
or leave when we lose whole 10k deposit to get 1900$ loss rebate, the EV for
this promo playing is about 320$. The chance to leave with 14k(10K deposit
+4k profit) is 70%(p1) , the chance to bust and get 1900$ rebate is 30%(p2).
So we have 10 unit of buyin,... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 17 来自主题: _TexasHoldem版 - 一个牛人. check record of kennl
He is top profiter on 25$-32$ range games.---FTP player
Last year, his profit is over 100k.
2 years ago, I track a player named USCphildo, he only plays MTT. Everyday
20+ MTT games.(Since when MTT goes deep, it takes at least 7 hours. 20+MTT
is a lot.) But nowadays, he only plays high buyin MTT games.(Maybe still
6+ MTT everyday, since he plays on multiple sites)
His profit should be 300k--400k last year since he plays both on stars and
ftp.
He plays all FTOP events, includ... 阅读全帖 |
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n*******y
发帖数: 3337 | 18 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得，不一定都是对的，总是有特例的，但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1：
刚刚学会打牌的规则，没有任何技巧的概念，打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2：
看了一点资料，可能看了一本书，知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么， 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话，一般只记得自己有什么牌，
flop上有什么牌，对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小，
大家的位置，stack 大小，等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3：
玩了上万手牌了，输了一些，这是一个分界线，有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 19 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 牌局结果 所剩筹码：
ARSU ?
ikea(buyin $2933) 4946
qwyu 791
melonli(buyin $2500) 0
sssh ?
xbox(715 buyin) ?
kenwaiting(buying $2000) 0 |
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 20 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 牌局结果 顶一下
所剩筹码：
ARSU ?
ikea(buyin $2933) 4946
qwyu 791
melonli(buyin $2500) 0
sssh ?
xbox(715 buyin) ? |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 21 that is too big for me(200$), even I get the token, I just do not play that
game.
And I still remember my first play on ftp is 200$ buyin WSOP satellite(10K) game. And during the first year I played on ftp, I played at least 10 times 200$ buyin game. It just does not work for me.
And when FTOP events come, lots of regular winners take 4k-6k aside to play those events.
But if you have not won 30K+ yet, it is just dangerous to your bankroll.
usually do not play 3$ buyin though, but 3$R is good for |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 22 Another interesting player: oneuponastar
head up: average buyin 3000$
MTT: average buyin 500$
sng: average buyin 800$
One thing for sure: super strong |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 23 如果你们坚信poker sites公正,就去PS打low buyin rebuy MTT.Should be most
profitable.那个鱼啊,flop以后不断有人用中对,小对call allin.
反正我给bad beats得不敢打了.你们去试,要是成了,我再去.
说实话我MTT赚的多的都是low buyin rebuy MTT.所以总结一下好象是low buyin rebuy MTT鱼多容易赚.可是昨天今天就不太行了.昨天只赚一百,今天打到现在,一盘都没赢过. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 24 that buddy's id is pahrrk
From his stats, I know even play 3.3$ and 6.6$ KO game, you can get 5k+ profit in one month.(almost 1700 such games in a month.)
And you still can learn a lot from those low buyin KO tourneys, but you need play a ton of hands.
In my opinion, those 90ppl or 180ppl tourney is great place to practice FT, final 2 table skills. Since it is very hard for players to go down to final table too often in MTT.
And his buyin goes up quickly, and 2nd month, he can play big buyin tou |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 25 they do hate me, since I raise virtually every pot. Sometimes, I allin every hand.
if you can piss these $26 guys off, 95% of FTPers hate you, -----maybe I can outplay 50% of low buyin players.
maybe in high buyin games, I will get pissed off by those high buyin regulars. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 26 习惯问题， 我在NL100如果开3桌， 就mini buyin， 如果单桌， 就100 bb buyin。
玩mini buyin我一般到了200 bb或者输光才退出，很少re-buy, 后期100到200之间就用
deep stack的技术， 开始玩杂牌， 玩bluff，伺机搞另外的deep stack。目前我在
NL100的记录大概是从45bb 到350bb吧。
80bb
Deep stack poker is much more difficult. I remember i started play with 40X
bb at the beginning. then i increase to 60X bb and was not doing well.
Nowadays, I don't feel comfortable when I am shorter than 80 bb. But I don'
t play anything deeper than 160bb yet.. I don't feel i am ready for that
deep. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 27 前天晚上输2个full buyin, 昨天晚上输3个full buyin, 玩的SNG也都没赢。
昨晚睡觉做梦还在打， A7o limp in, flop J42 rainbow, 我90bb all in bluff, 被
big blinds 想了半天call 了， 他有J4两对。 搞的我一晚上梦里都很自责。
结果早上4点过就醒了， 睡不着， 就抱着笔记本在床上打， 打到6点半， 赢回来5个
buyin！
看来长期来说， 运气还是公平的。 |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 28 huh? buyin for 50nl is $50. Actually on UB, you can buyin 200bb deep but I
am usually buyin for 100bb at the moment to lower variance. |
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c*****a
发帖数: 447 | 29 上个星期开始打RUSH。 ３０ BUYIN 的 UP SWING。 straight up. 我还真的觉得自
己可以MOVE UP 到 NL１０ 了。 结果这个星期 ２０个BUYIN 的 DOWN SWING。 整
个WINNING LINE 就是一个 Graphy of NORMAL DISTRIBUTION。
停了RUSH。 还是持续的输了几个BUYIN。 可能有些ON TILT 了。 现在也不明白到底是
怎么回事。 我差点儿就降级到NL２ 去了。
今天刚刚缓过来。 慢慢打。 基本上可以保证WINNING SEASON 了。 以后碰到难打的牌
一定放上来问问你的意见。
很多人打了很久其实还没理解... 看了好几个你的回帖, 我 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 30 suddenly i feel tired.
running very good beginning of the month. gave all back during the AC trip.
running ok after AC trip. up 14 buyin but last weekend i was down
4 buy in and 5 buyin respectively, due to bad luck and bad plays.
got 4 buyin back but now i am just trending water. win 100 gave back 70 that
kind of thing.
certainly feel tired. maybe i shpuld just quit for couple days and use
holdem manager to do some hand review instead?
what is your experience and suggesttion? |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 31 I played $1/$3 live at Wynn in 2006 Christmas. I just learned poker a couple
of months before that, so, I was really bad..
I did have the basic knowledge of pot odds and just read two Harrington's
books on tournaments. I guess it was a big deal and helped me a lot, lol.
I won around 1.3K in 2-3 days' sessions. I would say most players were bad,
and I was lucky. One quads hand saved my ass one night. If I hadn't hit the
one out, I would be down two buyins ($300 * 2) that night and may go back to
... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 32 still, being a nit is the safest way to make money in rush. although may not
be most profitable .
since I became a 12/8 player. I never had a losing month in rush. it is
only when I get creative, try to "outplay" others, and try to win every pot
I am in, then I get myself in trouble .
I just played one of the worst session in 2011, l can't believe how bad I
played. I was so creative and believe every btn want to steal my blinds and
I try to outplay them. well. the result is it started by win... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 33 depending on lot of factors, mainly stacksize. 30$/h for 500 buyin max 2-5
is almost the best you can get long term.
For 1500 buyin or 1000 buyin 2-5 NL , it should be higher. |
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w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 34 WELCOME FOR ANY COMMENT, SUGGESTION, AND CRITICISM.!
2012 Session 1, 01-06-2012 Lost $600 (3 buyin). 8PM ~ 1AM
Game: 1/3 with 10 players; Location: Poker Club at NYC with many LAGs.
#####################################
Hand 1: (Bad luck. Lost first buyin)
AcJc at MP raised to $15 (~$180 left). 2 callers, including BB with similar
stack, a weak (tight but unreasonable randomly passive or aggressive) female
player.
Flop was perfectly 7c 8c Qc. I checked. BB bet $31. I re-raise to $75. She
shipped... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 35 I think most sites have a 40BB min buyin requirement. So 20BB might not work
. They do have shallow tables that allow 20BB min buyin, but then there are
many short stacks there that try to do the same thing.
For a live 5/10 player like you, it will be a huge waste of your skills to
play 20BB buyin games. Yes, you can play the optimal strategy. But even with
that your upside is limited and the variance is high, since even the
optimal strategy your edge is small. I think for a good player it is ... 阅读全帖 |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 36 On variance with same blinds - of course you shouldn't compare given same
blinds. This is why usually limit to NL variance comparisons are done with
comparing buyins (while more detailed comparisons take into account winrate)
. So you can say NL 100 is close enough to equate to 3/6 LHE (3/6 LHE is
bigger), and given those two games if you play a TAG winning style, in
general LHE has higher variance. The only time NL 100 will be a higher
variance is if you play a "see you at the river" game an... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 37
On variance with same blinds - of course you shouldn't compare given same
blinds. This is why usually limit to NL variance comparisons are done with
comparing buyins (while more detailed comparisons take into account winrate)
. So you can say NL 100 is close enough to equate to 3/6 LHE (3/6 LHE is
bigger), and given those two games if you play a TAG winning style, in
general LHE has higher variance. The only time NL 100 will be a higher
variance is if you play a "see you at the river" game a... 阅读全帖 |
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i****e
发帖数: 451 | 38 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 新手请教 人生第一次在桌上玩了两次，1/3 NL，100 BUYIN，一次赢了大概200，另外一次赢了大
概30，主要是运气好的原因。
刚看了大牛介绍的扑克玩家的成长，自己定位在LEVEL 2，并且不是很明白很多说法，
请教一下：
1. tight aggressive: my understanding is that you should only play for very
good hands, and when you play, play aggressively. Is my understanding
correct?
2. 偷盲注: 这个是什么意思？怎么偷和防止偷呢？
3. 资金管理：不是很明白为什么资金管理在这里重要，其重要性在炒股的时候我是很
了解的。我的想法是如果水平真的够赢钱的话。这个不是每次都有BUYIN的吗，就几百
块，即便连续输几次也没有什么。即便你每次都ALL-IN，只要赢的概率大些，比如55%,
根据gambler's ruin, 如果你的BANKROLL是20倍buyin的话（应该很容易达到，如果不
到的话应该说你OVERBET了，应该换小桌），输光的可能性... 阅读全帖 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 39 btw, I played a few hours last night in CAESARS AC. They are running 1/2
Super (buyin: 100/500) now. With such a deep buyin and relative worse
players, I believe the game must be more profitable than most of short buyin
2/5 games. |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 40 Hehe. You simply gave them way, way too much respect. Their edge is by no
means higher than 63% against an average WSOP player. For regular casino
table games, the house only has up to 54% edge and they make billions of
dollars by keeping you playing. So even if you only have 54% edge, you just
need to keep playing and playing and you will be wild rich. Let alone a 63%
edge.
Those HSP TV programs were edited in a way to make you feel that those pros
are gods. In reality, they were just playing w... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****n
发帖数: 114 | 41 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 牛人求教 两个buyin太少了，至少要准备5个buyin，不然输掉一两个buyin之后打法容易变形 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 42 因为你实际的bankroll并不是你现在扑克软件上的8个buyin，保守估计，你可以轻松拿
出400个buyin作为后盾，而以你现在的水平在这个级别上，能把这400个buyin全输光的
概率，简直是和彗星撞地球的概率一样低，这才叫 坚实的bankroll
而哥不一样，哥是半休闲半推出的打法，奔着破产的节奏去的，所以也没什么压力 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 43 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得，不一定都是对的，总是有特例的，但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1：
刚刚学会打牌的规则，没有任何技巧的概念，打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2：
看了一点资料，可能看了一本书，知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么， 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话，一般只记得自己有什么牌，
flop上有什么牌，对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小，
大家的位置，stack 大小，等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3：
玩了上万手牌了，输了一些，这是一个分界线，有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 44 来自主题: _TexasHoldem版 - 牌局结果 所剩筹码：
ARSU ?
ikea(buyin $2933) 4946
qwyu 791
melonli(buyin $2500) 0
sssh ?
xbox(715 buyin) ?
kenwaiting(buying $2000) 0 |
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 45 来自主题: _TexasHoldem版 - 牌局结果 顶一下
所剩筹码：
ARSU ?
ikea(buyin $2933) 4946
qwyu 791
melonli(buyin $2500) 0
sssh ?
xbox(715 buyin) ? |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 46 that is too big for me(200$), even I get the token, I just do not play that
game.
And I still remember my first play on ftp is 200$ buyin WSOP satellite(10K) game. And during the first year I played on ftp, I played at least 10 times 200$ buyin game. It just does not work for me.
And when FTOP events come, lots of regular winners take 4k-6k aside to play those events.
But if you have not won 30K+ yet, it is just dangerous to your bankroll.
usually do not play 3$ buyin though, but 3$R is good for |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 47 Another interesting player: oneuponastar
head up: average buyin 3000$
MTT: average buyin 500$
sng: average buyin 800$
One thing for sure: super strong |
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Y****r
发帖数: 3473 | 48 depending on the car's condition the initial markup is usually between 50% (
buyin at 100, asking 150) to 500% (buyin at 500, asking for 3k) |
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s**h
发帖数: 262 | 49 what kind of limits do you want to play? 10c/20c blinds with $20 buyin, or $
0.5/1 with $100 buyin? I doubt you play higher than that in a home game |
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