w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 1 WELCOME FOR ANY COMMENT, SUGGESTION, AND CRITICISM.!
2012 Session 1, 01-06-2012 Lost $600 (3 buyin). 8PM ~ 1AM
Game: 1/3 with 10 players; Location: Poker Club at NYC with many LAGs.
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Hand 1: (Bad luck. Lost first buyin)
AcJc at MP raised to $15 (~$180 left). 2 callers, including BB with similar
stack, a weak (tight but unreasonable randomly passive or aggressive) female
player.
Flop was perfectly 7c 8c Qc. I checked. BB bet $31. I re-raise to $75. She
shipped all-in. I immediately called. She asked my hand, and I said nuts and
showed the hands. I asked her if she wanted to run 3 times? She said just
one. Turn is an 8. She had 77. I lost the first buy-in.
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Hand2: (Double up. Is this a right call?)
TT at MP ($200) raised to $20. Villain (a regular) at LP($250) re-raised to
$40. I called.
Flop was 6TQ. I bet $50. Villain shoved all-in. I tanked and called. He
showed AA.
Actually his range could be AQ, JJ+ and AK. Should I fold if considering QQ
is in the range?
#########
Then I went up to $550 at most, and I played more with any two cards of J+
and went down to $400.
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Hand3: (Bad play. Lost $400)
Straddled $20. AQs at EP ($400) called. 5 players in total. Villain at LP is
not a good player. I played with him a lot, and I saw his mistake of not
folding big hand a lot.
Flop was Q68c. I bet $50. Villain called, while others folded.
Turn was 8. I bet $80. Villain raised to $200. I shoved all-in. Villain
asked do you have a full house? I said it is ur choice. He tanked for 5 secs
and then called and showed his 66.
I knew he would raise with QQ mostly. So I put him only on KQ, AQ, and
middle pair. And I knew he is very aggressive. That is all the reasons I
made this bad play.
This is almost the LARGEST and MOST common mistake I made in all my cash
games at this club:
When I know a player is very aggressive with a wide range, I am willing to
play my big hand. This is also a kinda of wrong message I took from the book
of ‘small stack NL holdem’, don’t hesitate to all-in with your top/over
pair when facing a super aggressive player.
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I made the last buy-in, and slowly went up to $300.
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Hand4 (bad play GAIN. Lost third buyin)
Straddled $12. I had QQ at EP ($300), and raised to $30. 4 callers. Villain
(LAG) was at BTN (~$280).
Flop was 22T. I bet $75. He pushed all-in. I called as an idiot.
This belongs to emotional mistake. I was not patient enough to play.
I did only plan for 2 buy-in for that nite. My gf came with me and she
needed 10+ mins to stay on the phone with a friend when I lost the 2nd buy-
in. Then I bought in the 3rd. For hand4, she already finished the call and I
was not patient to fold with <$200 left to continue to play the TAG.
And here comes my second most common mistake:
After a long time silence (no playable hand no move). I am not willing to
fold good hands like over pair. | n*****t
发帖数: 190 | 2 很喜欢你几个hand后面的总结，非常有意义。有几个问题PM你了，麻烦查一下邮箱。
similar
female
and
【在 w**********y 的大作中提到】
: WELCOME FOR ANY COMMENT, SUGGESTION, AND CRITICISM.!
: 2012 Session 1, 01-06-2012 Lost $600 (3 buyin). 8PM ~ 1AM
: Game: 1/3 with 10 players; Location: Poker Club at NYC with many LAGs.
: #####################################
: Hand 1: (Bad luck. Lost first buyin)
: AcJc at MP raised to $15 (~$180 left). 2 callers, including BB with similar
: stack, a weak (tight but unreasonable randomly passive or aggressive) female
: player.
: Flop was perfectly 7c 8c Qc. I checked. BB bet $31. I re-raise to $75. She
: shipped all-in. I immediately called. She asked my hand, and I said nuts and
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 3 hand 2, no brain shove with 100bb headsup. only 6 hands can beat you
hand 4, if it is an extreme lag table, i would raise more or limp/3bet in EP
. Since your stack is not deep, without special read, the call is OK. It is
just doomed.
hand 3, ed's book asks us to commit tptk+ with 100bb or so. If your stack is
getting deep, things gonna change drastically. basically, I say, hands
strength matches pot size, if villain is a donk, let donk donk, hehe, over
pushing donk is not profitable at all. | T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 4 Holy crap, Ed miller asked players to commit 100bb with TPTK in most cases?
Glad I didn't read his book.
Hand 2, straddlled $20, 5 callers, including you, basically a juiced limp
pot. TPTK would be such a marginal hand even on a normal table, not to
mention a LAG table on which players could have many holding. Q8, 68 is just
too normal hands LAG like to play, not to mention multiple sets.
Had it was heads-up, say you raised ($90-$100) in EP with the same hand,
with one caller, then you can feel a little safer to commit the rest $300 in
with TPTK. Although some loose player may still call you with 66s, or 88s,
still the same result, but it will be him who make the mistake by overpaying
pre-flop, not you who overestimated your hand strength in such a big pot.
Hand 4: still the same problem, raised too small pre-flop with premium hand
and play too big a pot post-flop.
I think the only way to play with LAGs is to finish businesses pre-flop. If
you can play post-flop like pros, by all means, playing post-flop with them,
but I know I couldn't because their range is sooo wide. so I will raise
bigger pre-flop, giving them terrible odds to call me (taught by a friend,
he probably will raise even bigger, hehe).
On the other thought, Hand 3 is actually pretty tricky. I probably will have
just limped as well, because it is AQ. (if it were AKs, I will make $100 +
to take it down right there). So if I hit my flop in multiway, like in your
case, maybe check the flop in EP will be better, I'd like to see how the
action goes when it comes to me again. If sb bet huge and it is certain that
if I call the flop bet, I will commit to the pot for sure, in this case, I
may even just throw the TPTK hand away without even call the bet. If sb put
a modest bet, $50 dollars in your case, then I will inclinded to call and
see what turn come, and what is the action on the turn, then evaluate again. | l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 5 Hand 1 was a cooler, nothing you could do there.
Hand 3: fold to the turn raise. Too much to commit your whole stack with
just TPTK.
Hand 4: fold to the all in raise. your 75 flop bet already showed your hand
strength. Villain would not have raised you all in with anything worse than
your hand. There was no draw on the flop. So he had to have you beat to make
that move. Not being able to lay down an overpair on a low flop when facing
resistance was a big leak of mine. I am now much more cautious with those
kind of situation. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 不打紧，总结再来。
similar
female
and
【在 w**********y 的大作中提到】
: WELCOME FOR ANY COMMENT, SUGGESTION, AND CRITICISM.!
: 2012 Session 1, 01-06-2012 Lost $600 (3 buyin). 8PM ~ 1AM
: Game: 1/3 with 10 players; Location: Poker Club at NYC with many LAGs.
: #####################################
: Hand 1: (Bad luck. Lost first buyin)
: AcJc at MP raised to $15 (~$180 left). 2 callers, including BB with similar
: stack, a weak (tight but unreasonable randomly passive or aggressive) female
: player.
: Flop was perfectly 7c 8c Qc. I checked. BB bet $31. I re-raise to $75. She
: shipped all-in. I immediately called. She asked my hand, and I said nuts and
| d******u
发帖数: 142 | 7 Hand 3 is where the problem is.
Put bluff aside, what hand does he expect you to have to lead out from EP
after flop with 5 ppl in pot and fire 2nd barrel on turn? Your hand is
probably at the very lower end of range. His raise rules out straight draw
and, if not bluff, should be way ahead of you.
If he wants to raise with top pair lower kicker and find out where he is, he
will do it at flop.
You turn all-in is effectively a bluff but in this case very difficult to
push villain away with the stack size.
btw, it is a 1/3 game. How come it is straddled to 20? | h****5
发帖数: 191 | 8 Yes, u should have snap folded. Seriously people, stop posting hands like
this.
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Hand2: (Double up. Is this a right call?)
TT at MP ($200) raised to $20. Villain (a regular) at LP($250) re-raised to
$40. I called.
Flop was 6TQ. I bet $50. Villain shoved all-in. I tanked and called. He
showed AA.
Actually his range could be AQ, JJ+ and AK. Should I fold if considering QQ
is in the range? | w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 9 多谢各位点评.总结一下,
Hand 3: AQ..flop Q68c.turn 8. vs. 66
1. 我turn上面被raise毫无疑问应该fold.
2. 不过villain如果不all-in而是call,那么river比如是2的话,该check还是bet多少呢
?我觉得这手牌我肯定是要loss的了.关键看怎么少丢.
3. TheBigSlick的建议” if I hit my flop in multiway, like in your case,
maybe check the flop in EP will be better, I'd like to see how the action
goes when it comes to me again”应该不太算标准打法吧? Check-call输的差不多(
turn是8可能容易fold然后少输一些).如果villain是regular打法的话,应该不会flop就
huge bet.
Hand 4: QQ flop 22T vs. A2
这种情况可能我以后改进的方法就是QQ+,AKs的牌preflop要bet更大一些如果桌上很多
LAG.
另外以后JJ-的牌就打nit. Broadway和SC就randomly的看牌去hit and run.
@datouzhu: 我们的桌子是unlimited straddle, re-straddle的. 而且为了鼓励玩大,
桌上有个angry bird==$10. 每次UTG的时候angry bird必须用来做straddle. 我那把20
的straddle就是UTG用一个鸟 + $10. | w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 10 Ed的书, 我指的是57页:
"Against Crazy LAGs, the main pitfall you must avoid is folding too often
postflop. Generally, Crazy LAGs will have high postflop aggression to go
along with their high VP$IP. They will often get allin on the flop with top
pair/no kicker, middle pair, or sometimes even worse. This is particularly
true when they are playing with less than a full stack. They will launch
large but sometimes hopeless bluffs at the slightest provocation."
"If you play weakly, checking decent hands and then folding them to pressure
, you won’t perform well against Crazy LAGs. Adopting a fit or fold
strategy will have you folding far more often than necessary or prudent. But
you can use their craziness to your advantage by pushing good hands like
top pair with a decent kicker farther than you
normally might. And you can intentionally show weakness with made hands to
try to induce wild bluffs." | | | p******e
发帖数: 327 | 11 Hand 1 and 2 are OK to me, although i might slow play a little.
Hand 3, i think you need to control the pot size at least. Turn reraise is
very strong. need to fold TPTK for sure.
Hand 4, fold. Similar to one hand I posted yesterday
you need to pay more attention when there's a pair on board.
similar
female
and
【在 w**********y 的大作中提到】
: WELCOME FOR ANY COMMENT, SUGGESTION, AND CRITICISM.!
: 2012 Session 1, 01-06-2012 Lost $600 (3 buyin). 8PM ~ 1AM
: Game: 1/3 with 10 players; Location: Poker Club at NYC with many LAGs.
: #####################################
: Hand 1: (Bad luck. Lost first buyin)
: AcJc at MP raised to $15 (~$180 left). 2 callers, including BB with similar
: stack, a weak (tight but unreasonable randomly passive or aggressive) female
: player.
: Flop was perfectly 7c 8c Qc. I checked. BB bet $31. I re-raise to $75. She
: shipped all-in. I immediately called. She asked my hand, and I said nuts and
| p******e
发帖数: 327 | 12 also need to pot control sometimes i think
【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1 and 2 are OK to me, although i might slow play a little.
: Hand 3, i think you need to control the pot size at least. Turn reraise is
: very strong. need to fold TPTK for sure.
: Hand 4, fold. Similar to one hand I posted yesterday
: you need to pay more attention when there's a pair on board.
:
: similar
: female
: and
| w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 13 Thx for your comments.
That is what i called my biggest mistake. I was more tilted when facing
super aggressive or bad players. I did pay attention to all possibilities,
but was willing to put opponents on the lower end of their widen range.
【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1 and 2 are OK to me, although i might slow play a little.
: Hand 3, i think you need to control the pot size at least. Turn reraise is
: very strong. need to fold TPTK for sure.
: Hand 4, fold. Similar to one hand I posted yesterday
: you need to pay more attention when there's a pair on board.
:
: similar
: female
: and
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 14 Yeah, my way is leaning towards very consertive . Generally I don't want to
commit too much money in TPTK kind of hand.
By no means I mean you should check call to the river. But you have to be
aware you were in a very awkward situation. You have to understand:
1. Your holding. TPTK, is medium strengh hand in this situation. It is very
hard to improve on later street and easy to get drawn out, reserved implied
odds.
2. Your position. Terrible. Need to say more? You are either way ahead or
way behind, you never know and you have to act first.
3. You stack. $400 to start. Unfortunately the pot starts like a normal NL2/
5 game, $100+ preflop, any actions on the flop, by the turn, the stack to
pot ratio can very possibly make you commit to the pot, while you only
holding a medium strength hand.
4. You oppoenents. A table full of LAGs are dangrous, you have very hard
time to decide their hand stength because the range is wide. The turn 8 is a
bad card for you, IMO, a lot of loose player like to call one street on the
flop with middle pair, since your flop bet isn't too big.
Considering all above, my consertive approach is to keep the pot relatively
small, at the least, don't drive the action yourself. Observe your opponent'
s betting size so at least you get some information to evaulate his hand
strength, and then decide if you need commit more $ into the pot.
Of course, you can choose to bet flop, bet turn and fold to a re-raise.
Nothing too wrong about it. But still, it cost you an arm or a leg. 20 + 50
+ 80 = 150$, a pretty big loss in one hand, in NL 1/3 game, isn't it?
just my 2 cents.
【在 w**********y 的大作中提到】
: 多谢各位点评.总结一下,
: Hand 3: AQ..flop Q68c.turn 8. vs. 66
: 1. 我turn上面被raise毫无疑问应该fold.
: 2. 不过villain如果不all-in而是call,那么river比如是2的话,该check还是bet多少呢
: ?我觉得这手牌我肯定是要loss的了.关键看怎么少丢.
: 3. TheBigSlick的建议” if I hit my flop in multiway, like in your case,
: maybe check the flop in EP will be better, I'd like to see how the action
: goes when it comes to me again”应该不太算标准打法吧? Check-call输的差不多(
: turn是8可能容易fold然后少输一些).如果villain是regular打法的话,应该不会flop就
: huge bet.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 15 I sort of agree on this. it is no brainer shove/call. not worth
discussing.
to
QQ
【在 h****5 的大作中提到】
: Yes, u should have snap folded. Seriously people, stop posting hands like
: this.
: ------------------------------
: Hand2: (Double up. Is this a right call?)
: TT at MP ($200) raised to $20. Villain (a regular) at LP($250) re-raised to
: $40. I called.
: Flop was 6TQ. I bet $50. Villain shoved all-in. I tanked and called. He
: showed AA.
: Actually his range could be AQ, JJ+ and AK. Should I fold if considering QQ
: is in the range?
| w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 16 "Considering all above, my consertive approach is to keep the pot relatively
small....Observe your opponent's betting size so at least you get some
information to evaulate his hand strength, and then decide if you need
commit more $ into the pot."
-- Thx a lot. It is indeed invaluable suggestion for me.
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, my way is leaning towards very consertive . Generally I don't want to
: commit too much money in TPTK kind of hand.
: By no means I mean you should check call to the river. But you have to be
: aware you were in a very awkward situation. You have to understand:
: 1. Your holding. TPTK, is medium strengh hand in this situation. It is very
: hard to improve on later street and easy to get drawn out, reserved implied
: odds.
: 2. Your position. Terrible. Need to say more? You are either way ahead or
: way behind, you never know and you have to act first.
: 3. You stack. $400 to start. Unfortunately the pot starts like a normal NL2/
| w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 17 Sry to stick on this. It is really not obvious for me. Could you pls
illustrate more? Quantitative explanation will be better.
If u have ThTc, flop AsKsTs. Same betting pattern as hand2. is that still a
snap shove/call?
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: I sort of agree on this. it is no brainer shove/call. not worth
: discussing.
:
: to
: QQ
| c****1
发帖数: 457 | 18 6 hands can beat him? what else expcet 3 QQ combo
EP
is
is
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: hand 2, no brain shove with 100bb headsup. only 6 hands can beat you
: hand 4, if it is an extreme lag table, i would raise more or limp/3bet in EP
: . Since your stack is not deep, without special read, the call is OK. It is
: just doomed.
: hand 3, ed's book asks us to commit tptk+ with 100bb or so. If your stack is
: getting deep, things gonna change drastically. basically, I say, hands
: strength matches pot size, if villain is a donk, let donk donk, hehe, over
: pushing donk is not profitable at all.
| c****1
发帖数: 457 | 19 I like the comment" raised too small pre-flop with premium hand
and play too big a pot post-flop"
i think you carry too much the strength of preflop hole cards into postflop
play, mostly due to the emotion problem. You are well aware that your TPTK
or overpair may not be good after flop. But you just cant lay them down
because you dont want to be pushed around by those donkeys as in hand 4. On
the other hand, you are over cautious as in hand 2 because you dont want bad
beat. You need to control the emotion after seeing the flop, reevaluate the
hand rationally.
?
just
in
,
overpaying
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Holy crap, Ed miller asked players to commit 100bb with TPTK in most cases?
: Glad I didn't read his book.
: Hand 2, straddlled $20, 5 callers, including you, basically a juiced limp
: pot. TPTK would be such a marginal hand even on a normal table, not to
: mention a LAG table on which players could have many holding. Q8, 68 is just
: too normal hands LAG like to play, not to mention multiple sets.
: Had it was heads-up, say you raised ($90-$100) in EP with the same hand,
: with one caller, then you can feel a little safer to commit the rest $300 in
: with TPTK. Although some loose player may still call you with 66s, or 88s,
: still the same result, but it will be him who make the mistake by overpaying
| c****1
发帖数: 457 | 20 what they mean is that in your hand, you had 110 left and there were 150+ in
the pot. only QQ beat you and you can beat JJ, KK, AA, AQ. it should be a
snap shove/call. for AKT board, if his range is JJ+, AQ+. and the stack is
deep. I might be careful and control the pot a bit. As with your stack, I
would still do the same thing. In his range, AA, KK have 6 combos total, but
AK(9 combos), AQ(3-12 combos) can still give you enough value.
a
【在 w**********y 的大作中提到】
: Sry to stick on this. It is really not obvious for me. Could you pls
: illustrate more? Quantitative explanation will be better.
: If u have ThTc, flop AsKsTs. Same betting pattern as hand2. is that still a
: snap shove/call?
| | | h****5
发帖数: 191 | 21 say Qh was on the flop,
QsQcQd
QsQc
QsQd
QcQd
QcQs
QdQs
QdQc
Order matters i guess.
Plus, guy was thinking of folding middle set on 6TQ board. Give him some
slack. | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 22
my bad, i did mean 3 qq combo. it is C32(组合) not P32（概率）
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: 6 hands can beat him? what else expcet 3 QQ combo
:
: EP
: is
: is
| B******5
发帖数: 4676 | |
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