L****n
发帖数: 490 | 1 打了9000 多手，就赢了点 rackback...
一方面没 stats, 一方面被打的有点tilt。输三四个buyin, 就等于原来level 的8个
buyin.
Goes, windstormm 有啥建议嘛？ |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 2 sign..........same swing yesterday. Lost 6 buyins then win back 7 buyins.
I keep making some stupid mistakes. |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 3 nice results guys.
bigslick, You can play pretty much all stack size profitably at 2/5. You
just need to know how to play your stack correctly. In fact, I think 20bb
stack might work very well at those tables, but the way you were playing it,
it was way too passive. The main advantage of being a short stack is that
you can push allin preflop with decent hands and take down the pot preflop
or get it HU allin with someone where a lot of dead money is on the table so
you don't need to win nearl... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 4 刚装了holdem manager，读了windstormm转的几篇2+2的文章，看来数据分析不亚于PhD
paper啊。。
我玩得很少，都是NL25 rush，发现上次玩是今年3月的事情了。。只有4.8k手（盈利差
不多8个buyin, or 17bb/100，但allin EV只有2-3个buyin左右，应该算比较lucky）
现在sample量当然太小了。个人感觉要降低vpip到16左右，pfr到11-12左右，3bet到4
左右，flop cbet到60%左右。但4bet和call cbet呢在多少比较合适呢？
不过我对是否要降低vpip以及提高pfr/vpip还有疑虑，貌似nl25还是可以多limpin一些
的。
vpip: 20 (decrease to 16?)
pfr: 10 (increase to 12?)
aggr: 2.x (increase to ??)
3bet: ～2.9 (increase to 4?)
4bet: ～0.2 (increase to ??)
call 3bet: ～25% (how about this?)
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 5 Play way too much poker online. Good thing is that know how to play
all kinds of game now.
New year's goal will be
1) Play less
1) win a medium-buyin MTT, 5K+
2) take that as seed $ to play high-buyin MTT (or MTT STLT)
3) take a shoot at WSOP online ticket |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 6 It will kill fish more quickly.
A lot of regulars will lower their average BUYINs.
Nowadays, I usually do not play those 5$ or 10$ tourneys, however, if they
do introduce multiple entry policys, I will play more of those 10$ tourneys,
supposing I have a huge advantage on 5$, 10$ buyin MTTs.
As you may know, the In To Money ratio in MTT is around 13%. If your edge is
big in one MTT, the ITM ratio could pump to 25%, plus your FT chance, your
top 3 is higher than average players in the field also.... 阅读全帖 |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 7 with ME, the field is packed with good reg, since they may do multi entries
from multi accounts.it makes the high buyin tourney much tougher than
before. subsequently driving the average/meh reg down the buyin level,
because of diminished edge.
staying focused for a long period of time is very difficult. mental lapse at
late stage of tourney is always fatal and painful. some players do drugs,
but it definitely will come back and haunt them.
in |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 8 this is "rounder63" 's result.
How many games does he play every day? 70+
How much is the buyins? 5k-8k buyins???
He has a wonderful feb. 85k profit |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 9 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 哎 降级 2天down7个buyin，total 17个buyin左右，我降级去25NL了 cry。。。。。 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 10 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 哎 降级 sigh, I lost 3 buyin in 20 minutes at RUSH PLO25 today.
Somewhere it is just variance. When it is hot, I gain 3 buyin within 10
minutes. But overall the edge is slim. Curious the only person makes $ is
FTP only. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 11 This is just hot sessions.
2nd finisher is not that often!
NL50 get 7 buyins -----en, if you can run that hot, just stay your buyin
level, you could be very rich, but it is impossible. Your win rate should be
5BB/100.
in |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 12 Your swing largely depends on the style you play. You may keep certain
buyin at NL 100 (like 50-100), and take certain buy in to take shot at NL
200.(10-15 should be enough). If you hit a downswing, lost this 10-15 buyin
, just move back to NL100. NL 200 is pretty soft , I do not think you have
any problem to beat it. Actually, I think most regs in NL 400 are quite
mediocre, most of them have clear weakness. Most of them still play own card
.
table
game was soft and I did well (couple of buy... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 13 I do not think so. They can cut the guarantee, for example, reduce 3 Mil
guarantee to 1 mil or 750k.
At least, from my experience, FTP cut the 4K turbo(2:30AM 20$ buyin) to 1k
turbo on Friday, 20k guarantee(2:00AM 75$ buyin multi entry) to 5k guarantee.
Generally, the guarantee is not a problem.
But the lawsuit may break poker rooms because they are nobody comparing to
US gov. However, if US gov does not push very hard, it is very hard to break
PS and FTP, because majority asset is stored overse... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 14 3 full buy in for me in live game. never ever want to come back if I lost
all 3 buyin.
This is quite different with online, even I lost 20+ buyin in one online
session, I still keep playing,,, lol
least
withdrawal |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 15 running hot?
Maybe not. I guess run a little above average.
I guess I should change my words, I run hot, because I play fewer games each
session, because a lot of regs reduce their buyins to join the competition,
the game becomes tougher.
How many players at beginning?
Do not know. It counts points when you are in the money(Of course,it depends
on the buyins and the number of players, similar with our Mitbbs weekly
tournament's point counting method) Every player who joins the game
participates ... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 16 Nowaday I am kind used to the ups and downs, you cant quit just because a
few bad beats. The real scary thing is you play without your head straight.
That is why i always stand up and leave the table when i got wiped out with
one buyin or two. And i will move to 1/2 game because playing smaller games
give less stress .
And when I can think straight, i know i can beat small stake games because
there always some bad players sitting there, at least one or two playing per
table . those are my target... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 17 yeah. good idea. but I do not gamble seriously with friends. 20$ is the max
that I afford for buyin. we can play 20$ buyin cash game as well, just for
fun .
nuts. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 18 5000$ in 1-3 session? with 300 max buyin? that is really unreal! that is
like 17buyin winning in live game. Even he played 25 hand/hour for 10 hours,
only 250hand. Saw somebody have 6k stack in 2-4 rush, but that is rush
poker, playing 250hand/h and they have played so many hours with super LAG
style. It is only 15buyin stack.
I played so many sessions of 2-5 NL no max buyin , usually buy in 2-3k.
The biggest winning day so far in 2-5 NL is around 3.5k.
【 在 lziueng (追梦的人) 的大作中提到: 】
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 19 谢谢老大们 偶这不是想要多听听老大们的经验么 其实没那么depressed。故意赚眼球
骗眼泪而已 呵呵
对偶来说 输钱固然郁闷 但是比起打错牌送钱或者lose value 好多了
再有，个性问题，做事太投入，like mm老师说的，确实enjoy playing，并且也在不断
的积累经验，慢慢消leaks，这也要谢谢黎叔长期以来对偶们home game毫不留情的榨钱
啊 ~_~!
顺便问下，高手们一般带几个buyin去玩1/2，我虽然带着银行卡，但是当输到一两个
buyin后，不自觉的就会有play scared money的阴影，求经验分享 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 20
Usually carry 3-4 buyin. Most ppl would be somewhat on tilt after losin 4
buyin, at least I would, so best +EV option is to quit and come back another
day. |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 21 谢谢老大们 偶这不是想要多听听老大们的经验么 其实没那么depressed。故意赚眼球
骗眼泪而已 呵呵
对偶来说 输钱固然郁闷 但是比起打错牌送钱或者lose value 好多了
再有，个性问题，做事太投入，like mm老师说的，确实enjoy playing，并且也在不断
的积累经验，慢慢消leaks，这也要谢谢黎叔长期以来对偶们home game毫不留情的榨钱
啊 ~_~!
顺便问下，高手们一般带几个buyin去玩1/2，我虽然带着银行卡，但是当输到一两个
buyin后，不自觉的就会有play scared money的阴影，求经验分享 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 22
Usually carry 3-4 buyin. Most ppl would be somewhat on tilt after losin 4
buyin, at least I would, so best +EV option is to quit and come back another
day. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 Most poker players think like losers. I know this because most poker players
tell me in excruciating detail how they think about the game. Whether I
like it or not, I’m going to hear seat three’s lesson on why raising with
pocket tens is a dumb idea. And then I’m going to hear how lucky I was to
spike the ten on the river
Thinking like a loser is sure to keep you losing. Why? Because it means you
are focused on the wrong things, and this poor focus will prevent you from
improving. Here are some ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 24 The problem of keep playing 1/2 NL is that it will not help your game
much and your winning rate is too limited. The winning rate is discounted a
lot in 1-2NL by dealer toke and rake. So keeping playing 1-2NL may not
justify the time you spend on poker. That is also the reason that I hate
to play 2/5 NL(less than 200BB) ,still kind of wasting time.
The fish pool will be drying sooner or later, just like online game.
ABC poker can win a lot back then partypoker era. That situa... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 25 For 500$ cap 2-5 game, 35$ is indeed very good rate.I do not think I can
get it actually since I am not good at playing 100BB game. But for 1000$
or 1500$ buyin 2-5NL, you can get higher rate with more skill involved. I
record my 2/5 NL(no cap) result for a few month back then, I got about 80$/hour
rate. But that 2/5NL without max buyin is bigger than most cap 5/10 NL.
Plus back then there were a couple of regular giant fishes feeding us , like
that surgery doctor.
But I agree i... 阅读全帖 |
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F**S
发帖数: 44 | 26
~1
哈哈，我是新手嘛，所以我每次去就带200去，一次buyin 100,因为如果200都输了，我
觉得我那天状态肯定不好了。。
一般输了一个大pot我就会去slot玩1c得玩个半小时，心情调整过来了再回去。。所以
我就算buyin 100一次我都可以玩很久哈哈哈 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 27 妹妹每次穿几十件buyin来，守着最后的一两个buyin不玩了，咋整？？ |
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t****t
发帖数: 95 | 28 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 昨晚的牌 1/2/2 is the money btn/sb/bb need to pay preflop. 4 to open the pot as
minimal bet. min/max buyin: 40/200
2/3/5 is the money btn/sb/bb need to pay preflop. 5 to open.
min/max buyin: 200/500 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 29 btw, max buyin in commerce 5-10NL is 1.5k now? I played 400 max buyin 5-
10NL a few times a few years ago, lol.
all
he |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 30 no. it is not shallow table. In shallow table you can only buyin for 40BB.
it is cap game. you buyin for 100BB ,but can only play 20 BB each hand.
i am interested in the game since I think it could be highly profitable,
even at 25/50NL level online. .
work
are
with
bet |
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F*******T
发帖数: 11 | 31 记得最早是玩big two，比大小的方法和Hold'em很相近，只是花色大小也算。
后来毕业聚会的时候，第一次学玩Hold'dm，十个人左右的tournament，半路出局。接
着，又玩了两局，我都是冠军。
工作后，认识了很多牌友，home game玩的不亦乐乎，20buyin,第一名拿一大半，第二
名一小半，第三名不输不赢。玩的很开心，周末有时能打两个通宵。总体是赢多输少。
后来，由于忙，就不怎么玩了。近一年半，才开始关注电视上的比赛，注册了full
tilt，结果发现自己cash很菜。
FT关了以后，休战了半年。闲的无聊，转战家边赌场，很近，开车10分钟多一点。每周
末有$40 buyin tournament，结果连着三周都拿了第二名，一次是对决到底，奖金300
多，两次是平分，奖金400多。
试着拿奖金玩cash，每次都是被屠。后来才发觉，是我buyin太小，每次只买40BB，周
围都是100-150BB起的。另外，自己心态也不好。cash如果在一半一半，或不太确定的
情况下fold，就没有损失。Tournament所有chips都是所谓dead money，所以可以随心
所欲... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 32 so is LiShu a nit? how could you lose 5000BB to one person? :) lol. if
you buyin 100BB, that is 50 buyin loss to one person. that takes a lot of
things to get there. really wanna play with Lishu now....if it is NL 10 or
NL20. hehe . |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 33 you play 6 max or FR? what is your stat in these games? should have least
30-35 buy in to be a somewhat safe if you play FR at one level for long term
. 50 buyin is pretty safe if you have decent edge in the game. For 6 max ,
it should be higher. maybe 75-100 since swing is a lot bigger. I agree with
dch that playing style matters. playing 24/20 needs a lot more BR than
playing 12/8.
but you can always take 10-15 buyin to take shot at higher level and move
back if it does not work well. ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 34 假设存10k,每手牌押2k-this counts just one buyin. basically , for each buyin
(say 10k), only two result- lost 8k or win 6k-7k(leave with 16k-17k). |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 35 3K is not enough...
3K is a single buyin for 40/80, normally you should have 3 or more buyins
in a session
through |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 36 Wow, 你们那buyin这么高。我们这好象500 min buyin就可以了。我时3个rack是上限，
输完就走人。别人也很多像我这的。也可能我初学这个game, 不知内情吧。 |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 37 In a vacuum, if a player can lose 25 BI in X hands on-line, that player can
lose 25 BI in X hands live, except it would take Y days/sessions for this to
happen.
I think all the points you made below are valid. Generally there is a
bigger edge live so with a higher winrate your downswings will be less
severe, you resort to a lower winrate but less variance style after dropping
a lot of buyins, etc.
But there isn't such thing as 'this won't happen live' because if it can
happen it will happen. M... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 39 I am very risk averse, too. So I only play small buyin tournaments, too. My
average buyin is only $10. The variance is much smaller than cash games. |
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d******u
发帖数: 385 | 40 到赌场比较晚，做下去就玩了1个小时不到up了$56，刚够一个晚上的tournament $55
buyin.于是就退了报名参加MTT. 结果奋战4个小时倒在第6的位置 （前4名有钱）。于
是又回去打cash.
buy in $125. 刚上桌不久就来了一手 JJs at button. raise to $11, got 1 caller
(cutoff).
flop: J95 rainbow. cutoff lead out: $15. I thought for a while and flat
called here.
turn: 2. cutoff checked, then I put him on a draw， possible QT or 8T. I
weakly bet $25 and he called.
river: 5. cutoff lead out $45. I only have $78 left, and easy all in for me.
He immediately mucked his hand. yes, he likely has Q hi... 阅读全帖 |
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B*******4
发帖数: 1438 | 41 谢老大吉言。WSOPME的 Buyin是一万吧。 这帮ＷＳＮ只是玩Ｖｅｎｅｔｉａｎ的daily
DSE with buyin of 500-600. 不过他们准备从礼拜五玩到下礼拜一 unless of
course they survived the first day. 所以如果他们运气足够坏，此行的损失将达
２０００元左右。ＬＯＬ
main
here |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 42 前言：
哥一直跟朋友讲，打牌绝对不能无脑模式化，要有质疑精神，钻研精神。可是哥自己始
终还是无法坚决贯彻。浪费了真金白银买来的hm2的大好资源。每天貌似打很多手牌，
但是打过算过，也不复盘总结，这样下去真的是白白浪费中年的大好时光。
哥最终还是下定决心，牺牲tourney被knockout之后打dota的时间，每天花个半小时看
看复盘、写写扑克日记。
背景介绍：
哥就是屌丝中的战斗机...
2010年6月充值，从online micro stake 6－max cash game和freeroll、micro buy－
in tournament开始打起，享受着上上下下的快感，前后投入总额270刀，逐步升级，
2013年之前主打50NL 6－max cash game ＋ 3刀至11刀买入级别的tourney，盈利不错
。2013年头2个月running super good，重心逐步转到tourney，对tourney strategy、
心理控制以及资金管理方面有一点点心得(虽然skill set还属中下游，每天还在不停的
犯错)。哥完全依靠数据打牌。最喜欢说的两句话，it dep... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 43 实话实说，WSN 其实很悲剧的。 拿我自己来说， 投了200刀，cash game 是从NL 10
开打的， 8个月打到NL100. 每一次升级都是一个struggle. 一般来说50个buy in 升
级， 100个buyin 是保守， 我都得等到一百多个buyin 至少。 升到NL 100就更离谱了
， NL100总共打了有7,8个月，至少有四五十万手吧， 先说是100个buy in 升级， 后
来变成有100个buy in 做buffer 到最后决定打到300个。好不容易打到300个buy in,
也在NL 200成功试了试水，black Friday 来了。 尼玛， 你说悲催不悲催？说实话，
象我这样不会在扑克上有大出息的， 一辈子最多是个grinder for small money. 不
过尽管如此， 我这种没赌性的也有过发疯的经历，我总共快一百万手牌里， 有过三次
大的down swing. 都是在NL 100, 三次都是大概12多个buy in 吧。我记得很清楚，最
后一次是2011年二月，black Friday 前两个月， 周二晚上down 了6个多buy in... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 44 在我看来，光进钱圈没有用，你必须要有finish the game的能力。
因为我自己算过，不过你多牛，你的进圈率也就18--20%。进圈只是返回给你1.5buyin。
例如： 你打100次tourney， 你的buyin 是100BI。
假设你的itm是20%， 也就是20次进圈，返回你30个BI。如果你每次都这样，没有top
finish的能力，很快就会破产。输70个buyin.
有人会说：“100次，总有一次前三吧”。实际上并非如此，有时连着几个月都是top
18, top 27,那你就要输很多了，起码是个大下风。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 45 我建议：找backer,sell action at least 50% or do not play
reason:
1. Mtt has the highest variance, suppose your itm% is 10%, which means you
will invest 100k for the buyin, and get 20k back majourity of times.
Do you really prepare to lose 80k for playing main event?
2. Yeah, the field should be softest for 10K buyin event. However, when the
game goes deep, tons of sharks, very few fish will remain in the game.
Generally it means one thing when you go deep, you become the fish.
3. Even Joe Cada loo... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 46 老兄你这种容易tilt的性格应该打现场。不带卡。只带2、3个buyin的cash。
这样tilt了想spew money也没办法。赌场也不会有人借钱给你。
我后来就这么干的。输3个buyin一般肯定就打不了A game了。所以走人不可惜。
素。 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 47 女人都是情绪化的。不然就不是女人了。荣辱不惊、流水不争先这本来就是男人看重的
术语。你真弄个荣辱不惊的女人出来也吓人一跳。女人从小长大就习惯于有可以发小脾
气的特权了。突然玩个新game需要控制情绪当然很难做到。
再说了，tilt control永远都跟bankroll有很大的关系。打$10 buyin 的home game，
怎么样恶心的runner runner badbeat都不难一笑了之。换成$10,000 buyin一把
badbeat就被打残了。换成诸葛亮也很难宁静致远淡泊明志了。 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 48 Lock 实在 cash out 太慢。WSN 脑筋动到 ACR 上。看 poker cashout tracking. ACR
的 cashout 是数一数二的。坑爹的 Bovada 不让纽约州注册，ACR 成为不二的选择。
前天住了个册，虽说有 1000 的 deposit bonus, 非不让俺 deposit 超过 250。逼得
哥只有 250 了。
钱一到户，直奔牌桌，哥直接就上 NL100 了。版花打 NL 10/20 临场就带 2.5 的
full buyin. 俺觉得俺比版花更强，俺整个 bankroll 就 2.5 个 buyin.
在 Lock 打得多了，尤其在一群 Reg 都走了以后，打得很顺，game is so soft, 觉得
自己水平大概是很高了，NL100 在 ACR 应该也是如此。
结果大错特错，就我打过的几个网站来说， ACR 的 NL100， NL 50 应该是 Reg 最多
，鱼最少的。Short stack 的所谓的鱼也就是一般的 weak loose, 也不会瞎搞纯
donate.运气也不是太好，紧了半天，一对 KK 给一个 Reg 不知道为... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1621 | 49 Lock 实在 cash out 太慢。WSN 脑筋动到 ACR 上。看 poker cashout tracking. ACR
的 cashout 是数一数二的。坑爹的 Bovada 不让纽约州注册，ACR 成为不二的选择。
前天住了个册，虽说有 1000 的 deposit bonus, 非不让俺 deposit 超过 250。逼得
哥只有 250 了。
钱一到户，直奔牌桌，哥直接就上 NL100 了。版花打 NL 10/20 临场就带 2.5 的
full buyin. 俺觉得俺比版花更强，俺整个 bankroll 就 2.5 个 buyin.
在 Lock 打得多了，尤其在一群 Reg 都走了以后，打得很顺，game is so soft, 觉得
自己水平大概是很高了，NL100 在 ACR 应该也是如此。
结果大错特错，就我打过的几个网站来说， ACR 的 NL100， NL 50 应该是 Reg 最多
，鱼最少的。Short stack 的所谓的鱼也就是一般的 weak loose, 也不会瞎搞纯
donate.运气也不是太好，紧了半天，一对 KK 给一个 Reg 不知道为... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 94 | 50 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 牛人求教 谢谢大牛门的指教，
1/2确实和2/5不一样，1/2的老爷爷基本就是在和你比牌，他们是真有。我知道他们
flop top pair,我是set 我就能干到他们all in。但我top pair，他们有set, 他们就
没办法干到我all in了。他们大bet， 我是真的知道他们能beat我。 但是2/5就不一样
了，总感觉在bluff，有时能抓到，有的时候就被骗。所以很恼火。
当然我确实发现我害怕输钱，你们一语道破天机。我一般带两个BUYIN去赌场，输掉一
个半就回家了。我不喜欢输光走的。所以打的比较tight在2/5。 基本不怎么去draw。
而且25的人就是比较凶 ，一个pot如果打到RIVER基本都是200-300.所以基本输掉一个
大pot，就起不来了。
确实应该改变打发，现在还是要回到12的级别，慢慢加入很多bluff锻炼自己的意志力
。
大家一般都怎么做资金管理。一般带几个buy in去，输到什么程度走，赢到什么程度走
呢？
还有一般要存到几个buyin才挑战下一个级别？
我曾今问过一个pro 他说一般存20buy in。 比如12，那就是6000刀，但我一开始打12
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