p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 1 A lot of these kind of game online nowdays. usually you can buy in for
100BB,but
the most amount of money that you can put into the pot is 20BB. Say in NL100
, you can buy in for 100$, but for each pot you can only put 20$ in total,
preflop+post flop total.
I see lot of bad players in this kind of game now. Any starting hand
chart that I can use based on postion in FR game or 6 max game? I am pretty
sure that small pp and SC do not play well in this type of game. could be a
easy game if multi tabling.
Any input or link of info would be highly appreciated. |
c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 2 I think most sites have a 40BB min buyin requirement. So 20BB might not work
. They do have shallow tables that allow 20BB min buyin, but then there are
many short stacks there that try to do the same thing.
For a live 5/10 player like you, it will be a huge waste of your skills to
play 20BB buyin games. Yes, you can play the optimal strategy. But even with
that your upside is limited and the variance is high, since even the
optimal strategy your edge is small. I think for a good player it is much
more profitable to play against fishes in deepstack games, instead of
flipping coins with 20BBs -- with 20BBs it is rarely a big mistake to 3-bet
allin with any pair and donk/fishes like that. |
p****t
发帖数: 292 | 3 It's called cap-game in which the best player barely beats the rake. |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 4 no. it is not shallow table. In shallow table you can only buyin for 40BB.
it is cap game. you buyin for 100BB ,but can only play 20 BB each hand.
i am interested in the game since I think it could be highly profitable,
even at 25/50NL level online. .
work
are
with
bet
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: I think most sites have a 40BB min buyin requirement. So 20BB might not work
: . They do have shallow tables that allow 20BB min buyin, but then there are
: many short stacks there that try to do the same thing.
: For a live 5/10 player like you, it will be a huge waste of your skills to
: play 20BB buyin games. Yes, you can play the optimal strategy. But even with
: that your upside is limited and the variance is high, since even the
: optimal strategy your edge is small. I think for a good player it is much
: more profitable to play against fishes in deepstack games, instead of
: flipping coins with 20BBs -- with 20BBs it is rarely a big mistake to 3-bet
: allin with any pair and donk/fishes like that.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 It's caped game. They had it at FTP too. I think with 30bb cap. Look for
SSS strategy, you only have very little edge even when played mathematically
. Not worth the effort IMO.
no. it is not shallow table. In shallow table you can only buyin for 40BB.
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【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: no. it is not shallow table. In shallow table you can only buyin for 40BB.
: it is cap game. you buyin for 100BB ,but can only play 20 BB each hand.
:
: i am interested in the game since I think it could be highly profitable,
: even at 25/50NL level online. .
:
:
:
:
: work
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 Mathematically perfect I meant.
It's caped game. They had it at FTP too. I think with 30bb cap.
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【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: It's caped game. They had it at FTP too. I think with 30bb cap. Look for
: SSS strategy, you only have very little edge even when played mathematically
: . Not worth the effort IMO.
:
: no. it is not shallow table. In shallow table you can only buyin for 40BB.
: ★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.38
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 7 Exactly. I tried this before. I also tried superturbo SnG before.
The edge is small with the rake -- the smaller the pot, the bigger the rake-
to-pot ratio.
Playing this, you essentially become a grinder with absolute no fun playing
poker.
pokeryjj switched to this game ($20 superturbo SnGs ) last year he won a lot
of money with a ROI of about 15%. Unfortunately, he disappeared from this
board after the black Friday.
mathematically
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: It's caped game. They had it at FTP too. I think with 30bb cap. Look for
: SSS strategy, you only have very little edge even when played mathematically
: . Not worth the effort IMO.
:
: no. it is not shallow table. In shallow table you can only buyin for 40BB.
: ★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.38
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 8 not at all. All my HUSNG game at FTP before BF are super turbo game since
they offer new Super turbuo structure(25BB, 2% rake). I made money much
faster in Super turbo than regular speed, with higher swing of course. My
roi drops from 10% at regular speed to 5% at super turbo, but average time/
game at Super is only 2.9 minutes. I have large enough sample(16k games) to
prove it as well. It is well worth it.
Right now(or 1 year pre BF), most money made from HUSNG are from
super/hyper structure. When it just came out, lot of regs were really
against it since they think it is barely beatable. But it turns out that it
is gold mine. A Germany guy makes over 400k at PS hyper game since they
offer hyper turbo game 6 month ago (exactly same at super turbo at FTP).
I attached his sharkscope grash here. That is pre rakeback.
rake-
playing
lot
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Exactly. I tried this before. I also tried superturbo SnG before.
: The edge is small with the rake -- the smaller the pot, the bigger the rake-
: to-pot ratio.
: Playing this, you essentially become a grinder with absolute no fun playing
: poker.
: pokeryjj switched to this game ($20 superturbo SnGs ) last year he won a lot
: of money with a ROI of about 15%. Unfortunately, he disappeared from this
: board after the black Friday.
:
: mathematically
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 9 I totally agree. But as you said, if you want to play shortstack optimal
strategy, I feel that superturbo SnG and HUSnGs are better than capped 6-max
cash games, though. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 superturbo HUSnGs are clearly different from SSS cash game. I don't know
much about the former, so i can't comment. Nice Curve anyway. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 11 yeah. FTP's structure sucks. it is 30BB/pot. I played there a few times
preBF.
But I think 20BB/player could be a lot better. I attached one of
Chinese poker player's PTR chart here. All her game recently are capped NL
game.
mathematically
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: It's caped game. They had it at FTP too. I think with 30bb cap. Look for
: SSS strategy, you only have very little edge even when played mathematically
: . Not worth the effort IMO.
:
: no. it is not shallow table. In shallow table you can only buyin for 40BB.
: ★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.38
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 12 我的第一桶资金也是Super Turbo SNG打起来的。。。
基本就是靠数学计算吧，赢起来倒是挺快的
rake-
playing
lot
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Exactly. I tried this before. I also tried superturbo SnG before.
: The edge is small with the rake -- the smaller the pot, the bigger the rake-
: to-pot ratio.
: Playing this, you essentially become a grinder with absolute no fun playing
: poker.
: pokeryjj switched to this game ($20 superturbo SnGs ) last year he won a lot
: of money with a ROI of about 15%. Unfortunately, he disappeared from this
: board after the black Friday.
:
: mathematically
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 13 6-max SNG上也有这样的曲线的
如果严格按一个套路打，很快就能升级了，高额可能没有HUSNG那么多action
BF之后这种模式被伤得很可怜，人少了
time/
to
it
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: yeah. FTP's structure sucks. it is 30BB/pot. I played there a few times
: preBF.
: But I think 20BB/player could be a lot better. I attached one of
: Chinese poker player's PTR chart here. All her game recently are capped NL
: game.
:
:
: mathematically
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 14 没错，rake少很多
max
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: I totally agree. But as you said, if you want to play shortstack optimal
: strategy, I feel that superturbo SnG and HUSnGs are better than capped 6-max
: cash games, though.
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 15 咱中国人就是数学好啊
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: yeah. FTP's structure sucks. it is 30BB/pot. I played there a few times
: preBF.
: But I think 20BB/player could be a lot better. I attached one of
: Chinese poker player's PTR chart here. All her game recently are capped NL
: game.
:
:
: mathematically
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 16 en. I think the risk is a lot lower in 20BB/player cap game as well.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 咱中国人就是数学好啊
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 17 不知道rake是不是还是5%
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: en. I think the risk is a lot lower in 20BB/player cap game as well.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 18 yeah. PS only offers high stake hyper HUSNG now. For hyper SNG, the highest
stake is only 30$. hehe. Guess they do not want ppl go broke too fast.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 6-max SNG上也有这样的曲线的
: 如果严格按一个套路打，很快就能升级了，高额可能没有HUSNG那么多action
: BF之后这种模式被伤得很可怜，人少了
:
: time/
: to
: it
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 19 Have you guys tried 10-player double up games? The variance tends to be
lower and the game is clearly beatable. There are many bad players there who
know nothing about ICM model. For example, when having a big stack at the
bubble, they call allin push from another big stack with QQ or AK. They just
do not know that they are supposed to have a very wide push range and an
extremely narrow calling range at the bubble. Sometimes this can put me on a
huge tilt, though, when a fish decides to call you to run a coin flip at
the bubble. |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 20 it is cash game. the rake should be 3$ cap. for lower stake, I think the
rake is between 3-4%, do not know the exact number though.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 不知道rake是不是还是5%
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 there were plenty of chinese low stake SSS cash grinder couple of years back
on PS. That's why they raised minimum buy-in. Most of them are rackback pro
. It is very easy to play SSS once you get the strategy down. But the edge
is also minimum. |
c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 22 In general, everyone has a category of games he is best at. I think we
should try every game to find out our best. For example, a chinese girl at
zhiyoucheng is really, really good at playing satellite games. I am really
surprised at how she managed to win so many $1050 tickets by playing $4
rebuy satellites. Her understanding of the ICM model must be fundamentally
different from other people -- otherwise where is her edge from? Once I even
tried to observe her games to steal her strategy. :-)
You can search for iloveyz at officialpokerrankings. She got this last year:
Game * Prizes Profit ROI ABI AFS R/A ITM ITM
Hold'em NL $138,825 $35,426 34% $29 1207 78% 750/3596 21 |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 23 she mostly plays 10-20NLor 25-50NL at PS recently. not quite small stake.
Considerd cap structure, it is not really big game though. I think she made
most of her money since she moved up.
Do you know any place that I can find strategy for 6max or FR cap
cash game? 20BB/player structure
back
pro
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: there were plenty of chinese low stake SSS cash grinder couple of years back
: on PS. That's why they raised minimum buy-in. Most of them are rackback pro
: . It is very easy to play SSS once you get the strategy down. But the edge
: is also minimum.
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H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 24 $3 cap rake is high lol, that's the rake for live games @@
the
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: it is cash game. the rake should be 3$ cap. for lower stake, I think the
: rake is between 3-4%, do not know the exact number though.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 25 ya. that is really sick ROI! I just sharkscoped her. Especially after so
many games.
6,177 $8 $24 53% $49,183
PokerStars【 在 chemcat (化学猫，rxn impossible) 的大作中提到: 】
even
year:
ITM
3596 21 |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 老大, 这种research, 你要自己做啊, 毕竟你是pro, 我是业余. 赫赫..
我只能告诉你, it is out there. 其实, 你自己想想也可以想出来啊, 就是preflop
raise reshove range 吗. 放进poker stove 里算算就行了. 基本可以把对不同对手
的raise/reshove range 都算出来.
made
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: ya. that is really sick ROI! I just sharkscoped her. Especially after so
: many games.
: 6,177 $8 $24 53% $49,183
:
: PokerStars【 在 chemcat (化学猫，rxn impossible) 的大作中提到: 】
: even
: year:
: ITM
: 3596 21
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 27 lol.but you are teacher MM. i am not pro as well.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 老大, 这种research, 你要自己做啊, 毕竟你是pro, 我是业余. 赫赫..
: 我只能告诉你, it is out there. 其实, 你自己想想也可以想出来啊, 就是preflop
: raise reshove range 吗. 放进poker stove 里算算就行了. 基本可以把对不同对手
: 的raise/reshove range 都算出来.
:
: made
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 28 iloveyz used to write lots of blog posts. She is just an ok player in cash
games. So I am very impressed by how she became such a master in satellite
games. Another reason might be that superturbo SnGs are well studied by many
people so it is hard even for the best player to get more than 15% ROI, but
satellite games are not well understood so she can get 50% ROI. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 you have to pay for this kind of teaching. For free, you can only get
comments like, "it is out there" 你懂的..
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: lol.but you are teacher MM. i am not pro as well.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 化学猫和我一样啊, 想偷别人的edge.. hehe..
even
year:
ITM
3596 21
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: In general, everyone has a category of games he is best at. I think we
: should try every game to find out our best. For example, a chinese girl at
: zhiyoucheng is really, really good at playing satellite games. I am really
: surprised at how she managed to win so many $1050 tickets by playing $4
: rebuy satellites. Her understanding of the ICM model must be fundamentally
: different from other people -- otherwise where is her edge from? Once I even
: tried to observe her games to steal her strategy. :-)
: You can search for iloveyz at officialpokerrankings. She got this last year:
: Game * Prizes Profit ROI ABI AFS R/A ITM ITM
: Hold'em NL $138,825 $35,426 34% $29 1207 78% 750/3596 21
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 31 blog on Zhi you cheng? you have link? :)
I never read any Chinese poker site before BF. I did not even know
there is online poker in China before BF. It seems there are lots of
really good low stake SNG player from China.
50% ROI and 50k profit is wonderful considering she has 6k game
sample, no matter what format she plays.
many
but
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: iloveyz used to write lots of blog posts. She is just an ok player in cash
: games. So I am very impressed by how she became such a master in satellite
: games. Another reason might be that superturbo SnGs are well studied by many
: people so it is hard even for the best player to get more than 15% ROI, but
: satellite games are not well understood so she can get 50% ROI.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 也有可能是有variance 的成分在里面, 看看她在ftp(相同ID) 的的战绩就惨不忍睹. poker 这东东, 有时候variance 也忒大了点. 6000个sng 其实不是很多. 她肯定有一手, 打sateline 有一套, 但true ROI 可能没那么高 (这可能性还不小).
many
but
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: iloveyz used to write lots of blog posts. She is just an ok player in cash
: games. So I am very impressed by how she became such a master in satellite
: games. Another reason might be that superturbo SnGs are well studied by many
: people so it is hard even for the best player to get more than 15% ROI, but
: satellite games are not well understood so she can get 50% ROI.
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 33 Her blog posts were on some other websites. I read them a while ago and I
forgot the link now. But those blog posts are basically like Fryking's
reports -- vivid stories about a girl's experience in live casinos. There
were really no fancy plays or wow moments. We probably cannot learn anything
from her blog posts.
I think her 50% ROI over 6000 games is pretty much only achievable for
satellites. I guess in superturbo SnGs even the best player in this planet
can probably only get 20%. |
c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 34 Nah. She played for >$100,000 per year at pokerstar but sonly played for several hundred bucks at FTP, so the
FTP result does not really matter.
However, she did admit that she only played regular tourneys at FTP and she got no edge at
them -- there are so many good regular tourney players. So she gave up.
Then in 2010, she tried to switch to PLO and she crashed again. So in 2011,
she decided to stick to what she is best at. Rich Zhu once commented that
she is one of the best satellite players in this world. It is interesting to
see that she could be so good at this type of games but so mediocre in
anything else.
poker 这东东, 有时候variance 也忒大了点. 6000个sng 其实不是很多. 她肯定有
一手, 打sateline 有一套, 但true ROI 可能没那么高 (这可能性还不小).
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 也有可能是有variance 的成分在里面, 看看她在ftp(相同ID) 的的战绩就惨不忍睹. poker 这东东, 有时候variance 也忒大了点. 6000个sng 其实不是很多. 她肯定有一手, 打sateline 有一套, 但true ROI 可能没那么高 (这可能性还不小).
:
: many
: but
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 35 i like pandaMM, i think she is a nice person, most likely very good at
sateline as well. 不过rich 对那里班主水平的品价可以基本忽略. 赫赫, 没有人比
他更偏见得护着自己人了.
But I am also curious to see her writing some strategies.
not counter.
she got no edge at
,
to
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Nah. She played for >$100,000 per year at pokerstar but sonly played for several hundred bucks at FTP, so the
: FTP result does not really matter.
: However, she did admit that she only played regular tourneys at FTP and she got no edge at
: them -- there are so many good regular tourney players. So she gave up.
: Then in 2010, she tried to switch to PLO and she crashed again. So in 2011,
: she decided to stick to what she is best at. Rich Zhu once commented that
: she is one of the best satellite players in this world. It is interesting to
: see that she could be so good at this type of games but so mediocre in
: anything else.
:
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 36 is pandamm cute?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i like pandaMM, i think she is a nice person, most likely very good at
: sateline as well. 不过rich 对那里班主水平的品价可以基本忽略. 赫赫, 没有人比
: 他更偏见得护着自己人了.
: But I am also curious to see her writing some strategies.
:
: not counter.
: she got no edge at
: ,
: to
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 37 how do i know? lol.. but i know she is a woman and she lives in Toronto.
that is all.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: is pandamm cute?
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 38 I agree that Rich's comments should be taken with a grain of salt in most
cases. However, this time he might be right. SnGs are not like regular
tourneys where a big win can give you 10000% ROI. Instead, a constant 50%
ROI in SnGs is like every game is an one hand blind allin and you got AKs
and villain got A2o.
P.S. I am also curious about how panda mm looks like. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 上次我去多伦多,说要去看她, 被拒绝了(其实我也就是这么一说).. haha... 都说她是damao的徒弟, 可以挖挖看
他们之间的8g.. lol
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: I agree that Rich's comments should be taken with a grain of salt in most
: cases. However, this time he might be right. SnGs are not like regular
: tourneys where a big win can give you 10000% ROI. Instead, a constant 50%
: ROI in SnGs is like every game is an one hand blind allin and you got AKs
: and villain got A2o.
: P.S. I am also curious about how panda mm looks like.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 40 I know liu xuan is from Toranto, but should not be her since liu xuan is
much higher stake player. Guess better player as well. She already has more
than 1 million tourney winning. Liu xuan is pretty cute though.
btw, I met Rich zhu a few times in Vegas, very quiet guy.
also, we are more interested in the 8g between u and pandamm . :)
是damao的徒弟, 可以挖挖看
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 上次我去多伦多,说要去看她, 被拒绝了(其实我也就是这么一说).. haha... 都说她是damao的徒弟, 可以挖挖看
: 他们之间的8g.. lol
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 41 kao.. like I said, I don't know her. 只是在网上笔交过. 那也就那么几次
more
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: I know liu xuan is from Toranto, but should not be her since liu xuan is
: much higher stake player. Guess better player as well. She already has more
: than 1 million tourney winning. Liu xuan is pretty cute though.
: btw, I met Rich zhu a few times in Vegas, very quiet guy.
: also, we are more interested in the 8g between u and pandamm . :)
:
: 是damao的徒弟, 可以挖挖看
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 42
Really mao!!
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: kao.. like I said, I don't know her. 只是在网上笔交过. 那也就那么几次
:
: more
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 43 Panda MM cannot be Liu Xuan. I think Liu Xuan mostly play mixed games.
Rich Zhu does not seem to be very active these days. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 44 就是写给你看的。 lol
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.36
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
:
: Really mao!!
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 45 She just made FT of PCA main event , good for 600k.
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Panda MM cannot be Liu Xuan. I think Liu Xuan mostly play mixed games.
: Rich Zhu does not seem to be very active these days.
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 46 no way they can get 20%
I guest the best player in superturbo SNG at 20-30 level
can only get no more than 8%
anything
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Her blog posts were on some other websites. I read them a while ago and I
: forgot the link now. But those blog posts are basically like Fryking's
: reports -- vivid stories about a girl's experience in live casinos. There
: were really no fancy plays or wow moments. We probably cannot learn anything
: from her blog posts.
: I think her 50% ROI over 6000 games is pretty much only achievable for
: satellites. I guess in superturbo SnGs even the best player in this planet
: can probably only get 20%.
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 47 化学猫是谁？怎么比panda还要了解panda的整个扑克史？其实她没有那么厉害，而且最
近也在下风中，接连两个月都输钱了...... |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 48 真人还是山寨班啊？ 熊猫妹妹追这里来了。
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 化学猫是谁？怎么比panda还要了解panda的整个扑克史？其实她没有那么厉害，而且最
: 近也在下风中，接连两个月都输钱了......
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 49 more like a limit game
NL100
pretty
a
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: She just made FT of PCA main event , good for 600k.
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 50 这就要靠你们自己去read了。：）
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 真人还是山寨班啊？ 熊猫妹妹追这里来了。
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 51 听起来象正牌的。 失敬， 失敬。
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 这就要靠你们自己去read了。：）
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 52 Panda Jie, I have been your fan for many years, silently tracking your
progress. :-) |
L********a
发帖数: 29 | 53 一句话就read出来是正牌？看来你的读人又进步了呀。好久不见，风暴。祝龙年大发！
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 听起来象正牌的。 失敬， 失敬。
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 54 Panda Jie, do you have a blog/facebook/twitter I can follow? |
L********a
发帖数: 29 | 55 谢谢！我何德何能啊。若不是朋友把这个贴子的link发给我，我还真不知道自己如此荣
幸，一直被默默关注呢。不过你一句Jie把我叫蔫了......^-^
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Panda Jie, do you have a blog/facebook/twitter I can follow?
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 56 我有个新浪博客，不过一年没更新了。新浪微博也有，同样是好久都不上去一回的。我
懒得很，谁follow谁倒霉。：）
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Panda Jie, do you have a blog/facebook/twitter I can follow?
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 57 Jie just shows my respect, e.g., Panda SenSei.
I am pretty sure that I am older than you. :-) |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 58 这就是传说中的ROI 55% 的 大牛？现在我版各种牛人越来越多阿，欢迎多来这交流
，指导！
同是打SNG的膜拜中！
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 我有个新浪博客，不过一年没更新了。新浪微博也有，同样是好久都不上去一回的。我
: 懒得很，谁follow谁倒霉。：）
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 59 能回答一下俺36楼的问题吗？呵呵，kidding..
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢！我何德何能啊。若不是朋友把这个贴子的link发给我，我还真不知道自己如此荣
: 幸，一直被默默关注呢。不过你一句Jie把我叫蔫了......^-^
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 60 5,780 $8 $25 54% $48,515
我自己打过几万个SNG, 也查过几万个对手的数据，好像还没讲过这么牛sharkscope
的。给俺们讲讲武林秘籍吧，有包子奖励。。。
【 在 Luckypanda (Luckypanda) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 61 好久不见， 同发财， 同发财。
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 一句话就read出来是正牌？看来你的读人又进步了呀。好久不见，风暴。祝龙年大发！
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 62 当然cute啦，反正谁也见不着谁，哈哈～～
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 5,780 $8 $25 54% $48,515
:
: 我自己打过几万个SNG, 也查过几万个对手的数据，好像还没讲过这么牛sharkscope
: 的。给俺们讲讲武林秘籍吧，有包子奖励。。。
:
:
: 【 在 Luckypanda (Luckypanda) 的大作中提到: 】
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 63 我最怕别人问我这个，其实我真不是想藏着掖着，确实没什么秘决啊。我打的绝大多数
是turbo的satellite，跟普通SNG不太一样。Turbo卫星赛不需要慢打，不需要太多的分
析，大多数时候，要上的话就是直接all in了，尤其在中后期。我可能是打得多了，在
push or fold上面的感觉比别人好一点而已。
若是非要说点注意事项的话，可能就是在泡沫期的时候，不要只盯着自己的桌子,要看
看外面整个比赛的大局走势。比如看看有多少张门票，还差几个人出局，大家的筹码分
配如何，别桌的小筹码什么时候会轮到盲注等等。让你决定push or fold的主要考量，
绝对不是你手中的牌，folding equity非常重要。
sharkscope
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 5,780 $8 $25 54% $48,515
:
: 我自己打过几万个SNG, 也查过几万个对手的数据，好像还没讲过这么牛sharkscope
: 的。给俺们讲讲武林秘籍吧，有包子奖励。。。
:
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 64 多谢牛人指点，发了二十个包子，表示感谢。 欢迎以后常来这啊，这里高手多多，
还有一个超级给力的版主。
folding equity 的却非常重要，我打的打部分是Husng,打super turbuo 时
， 最喜欢的对手就是 tight 的对手， 跟打得太loose 的人，即使是鱼，赢率也不是
很高。
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 我最怕别人问我这个，其实我真不是想藏着掖着，确实没什么秘决啊。我打的绝大多数
: 是turbo的satellite，跟普通SNG不太一样。Turbo卫星赛不需要慢打，不需要太多的分
: 析，大多数时候，要上的话就是直接all in了，尤其在中后期。我可能是打得多了，在
: push or fold上面的感觉比别人好一点而已。
: 若是非要说点注意事项的话，可能就是在泡沫期的时候，不要只盯着自己的桌子,要看
: 看外面整个比赛的大局走势。比如看看有多少张门票，还差几个人出局，大家的筹码分
: 配如何，别桌的小筹码什么时候会轮到盲注等等。让你决定push or fold的主要考量，
: 绝对不是你手中的牌，folding equity非常重要。
:
: sharkscope
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 65 呵呵，谢谢，虽然不知道包子是啥。我也欢迎你们有空去智游城玩玩，嘿嘿～～
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 多谢牛人指点，发了二十个包子，表示感谢。 欢迎以后常来这啊，这里高手多多，
: 还有一个超级给力的版主。
: folding equity 的却非常重要，我打的打部分是Husng,打super turbuo 时
: ， 最喜欢的对手就是 tight 的对手， 跟打得太loose 的人，即使是鱼，赢率也不是
: 很高。
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 66 就是伪币，看看你的信箱。
智游程还做ps 的下线马？
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，谢谢，虽然不知道包子是啥。我也欢迎你们有空去智游城玩玩，嘿嘿～～
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 67 包子就是这个网站一帮无聊人整出来的黑话，10伪币=1包子，经常有人在“金融中心”
转伪币给别人，俗称发包子。
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，谢谢，虽然不知道包子是啥。我也欢迎你们有空去智游城玩玩，嘿嘿～～
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 68 伪币，就是假钱啦。看了信箱，收到了200呢，谢谢！
返水吧以前的PS代理被废掉了，最近是想重头再来，将来有什么活动或优惠时再来通知
大家吧。
现在智游城主要是做大发扑克，2月份可能会办一个关于HM的活动。你们都有用Holdem
Manager吗？要是还没买的，到时候可以关注一下。就算不是zyc的大发下线，应该也可
以打折优惠的。呵呵，不好意思，我开始卖广告了。：）
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 就是伪币，看看你的信箱。
: 智游程还做ps 的下线马？
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 69 我看到有些ID的头像有衣服穿，包子可以用来买衣服吗？
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 包子就是这个网站一帮无聊人整出来的黑话，10伪币=1包子，经常有人在“金融中心”
: 转伪币给别人，俗称发包子。
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 70 panda mm, the rake is too high in ipoker Husng. their cash game rake is
similiar to PS's?
Holdem
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 伪币，就是假钱啦。看了信箱，收到了200呢，谢谢！
: 返水吧以前的PS代理被废掉了，最近是想重头再来，将来有什么活动或优惠时再来通知
: 大家吧。
: 现在智游城主要是做大发扑克，2月份可能会办一个关于HM的活动。你们都有用Holdem
: Manager吗？要是还没买的，到时候可以关注一下。就算不是zyc的大发下线，应该也可
: 以打折优惠的。呵呵，不好意思，我开始卖广告了。：）
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 71 大发现在不收美国玩家吧？可惜我早就买了HM了。 |
L********a
发帖数: 29 | 72 我没有研究哦，我自己本身不怎么打cash game。
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: panda mm, the rake is too high in ipoker Husng. their cash game rake is
: similiar to PS's?
:
: Holdem
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 73 是的，大发不收美国玩家。美国玩家真可怜，到处受到歧视～ ：）
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 大发现在不收美国玩家吧？可惜我早就买了HM了。
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 74 有空来点长贴？
期待中！
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 我没有研究哦，我自己本身不怎么打cash game。
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 75 不急，这件事情最多2年内必然会解决的。
而且，俺们家门口的赌场2年内也必然会有poker的。
俺倒是发愁到时候不可收拾怎么办？
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 是的，大发不收美国玩家。美国玩家真可怜，到处受到歧视～ ：）
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 76 长贴不是问题，但如果是技术贴就比较困难了，灌水贴行吗？这是我唯一的强项。^-^
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 有空来点长贴？
: 期待中！
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 77 如果顺利的话，估计不用两年。到时候你们就～～一发不可收拾！！哈哈。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不急，这件事情最多2年内必然会解决的。
: 而且，俺们家门口的赌场2年内也必然会有poker的。
: 俺倒是发愁到时候不可收拾怎么办？
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 78 欢迎各种贴，八卦最受欢迎，呵呵。
^
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 长贴不是问题，但如果是技术贴就比较困难了，灌水贴行吗？这是我唯一的强项。^-^
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 79 强烈支持panda mm 发技术帖， 我还没见到过你的技术帖呢。 可能我牌龄较短， 错过
了MM的活跃期。
^
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 长贴不是问题，但如果是技术贴就比较困难了，灌水贴行吗？这是我唯一的强项。^-^
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 80 俺们这些猥琐大叔们还是对8g 贴比较感兴趣。。。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 强烈支持panda mm 发技术帖， 我还没见到过你的技术帖呢。 可能我牌龄较短， 错过
: 了MM的活跃期。
:
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 81 我们这里最需要水枪了。。。
^
【在 L********a 的大作中提到】
: 长贴不是问题，但如果是技术贴就比较困难了，灌水贴行吗？这是我唯一的强项。^-^
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 82 大叔， 矜持， 矜持一点啊。
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 俺们这些猥琐大叔们还是对8g 贴比较感兴趣。。。
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 83 不用担心，我发现离赌场近更好，就不会死赌烂赌，想着反正明天可以再来或是吃完饭
可以再来，所以可以随时收手。记得我以前离得远的时候赢很多的时候都不走，想着开
大老远好不容易玩一趟，才不想回去呢，结果都输回去了。离赌场近就没这个问题了。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不急，这件事情最多2年内必然会解决的。
: 而且，俺们家门口的赌场2年内也必然会有poker的。
: 俺倒是发愁到时候不可收拾怎么办？
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