m***o
发帖数: 1367 | 1 pat pat，投资就是这样，没人能未卜先知。
不过GET的upfront涨得很快呀。
去年 buyIn/payOut 101/76 = 1.33 33%的upfront
今年 buyIn/payOut 117/85.9 =1.36 36%的upfront
这几年学费涨的快，upfront涨得更快。如果不能稳定下来，这个program能不能维持很
成问题。 |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 2 没有private tournament可能是因为人数没法固定的关系。我看了你的置底，这个
prize structure非常不合理啊，第一名拿这么多，更完不了了。Pokerroom自己订的百
分比是：
The prize structure for Sit & Go tourneys are as follows:
10 players : 1st place: 50% 2nd place: 30% 3rd place: 20%
6 players : 1st place: 50% 2nd place 40%
2 players : 1st place: 100%
我觉得既然是cash game，就不要强求结束了，玩一个小时，结束的时候按照剩下的钱直
接分伪币。比如每个人用100伪币buyin 500，5个人玩，结束的时候如果他们的筹码分别
是800,700,400,400,200，那么版主就退给每个人160,140,80,80,40伪币，四舍五入。中
间buyin也可以，但必须同时捐相应伪币到版面。
还可以考虑抽头。比如每人要交100+10伪币，无论结果如何，这个10伪币就归版面了 |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 3 melonli buyin 2500 final 0
fastern buyin 2500 final 5000 |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 4 What's your experience about fulltilt tournament? Do you think rebuy/addon
generally is worth or not? I watched some <$10 buyin tournaments on
pokerstars and people just go all-in frequently. I guess $200 buyin would
make a lot difference.
I probably will watch some fulltilt tournaments over the weekend. I like to
watch live real money games on pokerstars. I can gain some experience
without investing yet.
games. |
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p*******r
发帖数: 100 | 5 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 扑克观讨论 Actually he plays 4 at a time I believe. He once compared $1000 buyin with
four $250 buyin and concluded the latter is more profittable. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 6 it's actually hard to estimate one's edge in this game averagely,
I estimate I am at least an averagely 10% favorate in allin situations, that
's
why 10 buyins or 20 buyins law is good I guess.
you
people |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 7 Got one more just now, lost all my buyin.
Almost always lose total buyin in this case. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 8 I guess some of those high stake players may not have enough bankroll
for the 500 K buyin game. Even for a 20 buyin bankroll, one need at least
10 M.
scored or assisted by McGrady; in Game 7 all but nine were. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 9 There are some big heads up tournaments in ftp. The biggest one is 25k buyin.
FTOP also has several of heads up tournament, usually the buyin is 500$,
1000$.
There are satellite for this head up tournaments also. From 500$ to win 25k.
or 9$ to win 500$. But I guess it is tough.
I have seen almost all guys who have won 25k token, play that game directly.
If you are very good at heads up, also could be very profitable. It means
you have around 5% ROI.
Some players play HU game regularly, spent aro |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 Maybe not fish.
ABC Poker can not garantee a big winner on 1/2 table.
I guess high buyin(1000dollar buyin 6-max) game, aj, qk all in preflop is
very often.
People will not allow to be pushed around.
On FTP(yanjiegou2007's) 1/2 table, that kind of action are quite normal.
Poker players are much stronger than 1 year ago, lots of regular there. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 11 The biggest buyin game on ftp is heads up game.
50k buyin |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 12 never play so low buyin tournament ..
why you didn move up to 200$ buy in or 22$ buyin?
anyway, good job! |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 13 This data is corrupt.
My MTT is not good, I played too much token game.
Lately, I try to stop playing too much token game, especially the 8.8$ buyin
26$ token game, but will play 14$ buyin 55$ token game, since I think my
token skill(MTT token skill) has enhanced a lot. For example, I know which
guy I can steal, regardless of my holding. And how much I need to get the
token, once I reach that amount of chips, I may play very differently.
Because of my schedule, I can not play a ton of MTT, only |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 14 what is the buyin?
low buyin, it happens.
Not so much on your 26$ or 55$ game
in
donk |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 15 normal
I have seen one buddy has 19 full buyin downswing in a day.
last on, in 1.5 hours session, he gets 15 full buyin back. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 16 The way he played is awesome.
A lot of ppl(usually high buyin fellows) repops him. Almost 30% chance he
get repoped, then he use 4bets(almost 50% chance, the 4bet could be very
very light, of course the 3bet(might be 27o) also very very light) to
resteal it.
The stack is very deep, hard to allin. If you are short, then allin very
easily. One guy(high buyin buddy) allin him with k9s and wins, and he calls,
show tjo. But if you have 20+bb deep, he raises to 2.3BB, hard to allin, if
you 3bet him, h |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 17 Another guy named Vitaly LunKin wins 40k buyin event, and 50k buyin horse
event |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 18 Sigh, I can not join it because of the church time. Otherwise, it should be
one of the greatest tourney.
And I check the list, at least 100 pros in the tourney, should say majority
of FTP low buyin regulars will be in the tourney. And I suppose it should be
a tough tourney in the end. And since lots of low buyin and low experience
players in the tourney. I suppose some unexperience players will reach the
final table, and make huge mistakes there. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 omg, great move up for him!
hehe, when "i" play single table, it's not me but my dad/mom-in-law, they
have $100 quota to lose each month.
profit in one month.(almost 1700 such games in a month.)
need play a ton of hands.
, final 2 table skills. Since it is very hard for players to go down to
final table too often in MTT.
tourneys, such as 256$ buyin game, and 535$ buyin game , or even 163$Rebuy
game(this game needs a bankroll of 70k at least), 100$ Rebuy game(this game
needs a bankroll of 50k a |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 21 if you play high buyin games, almost everyone is LAG.
for example, 100dollar rebuy, everyone has a super deep stack(,50+BB-
100bbstack) and almost every pot is raise, reraise.
And just watch 2500$buyin game, the same, everyone won 200k+ on FTP. and
everyone is LAG, raise, reraise. almost every pot. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 22 Tourney:
PS: it arranges the biggest field tournaments. 3$ rebuy, usually have 7k ppl
in it, 1st prize is 9k+.5$ freezeout has 20k garantee, which means 1st
prize is aoround 4k. Sunday, 10$ buyin freezeout , 250k garantee, 1st prize
is 30k+.
For moderate to high buyin, I do not have much experience, but do know they
have a lot of 50$, 80k garantee. Still the same, large field, big 1st place
prize.
So, you are good at MTT, this is the best place to play.
FTP: it arranges more tournies than PS. |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 23 Actually there is no change in the schedule.
Please see my previous post at http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TexasHoldem/31170833.html
There is a main event from Sun, Dec 13th To Tue, Dec 15th Event 10. The
buyin will be $5,150.
I think the direct buyin for WSOP is $10,000, right? |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 24 durrr should break already.
Online game is much bigger than televised game.
I guess tourney will have the same trend.
Those big HU tourney's buyin is 25k already, and more and more 10k buyin
tourney will appear online
playing
never |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 25 At least most of top players(no matter online players or live big cash pros)
in that tournament. It does need a lot of luck to win the tourney, but that
does not garantee you do not need skills there.
It is softer than wcoop(10k buyin tourney) and wsop 5k buyin tourny, and WPT
events.
But that does not mean 90% are donks.
I guess only Moon is amateur on the FT. other buddies are all very strong.
cada plays 25/50 level HU everyday. several guys enters WPT final table this
year. The England truck |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 26 both get pissed off.
Durrr even can not buyin full.
only buyin 50BB on deep table.
Durrrr has 680k winning before playing against isil, in the end, durrr loses all his winning. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 27 I guess young generation will break the record very easily, especially the
young pros can play online poker. I do not think there are so many 1k/2k
holdem games live, but those pros can play those high stakes every day.
Tournament has the same trend. The online buyin becomes bigger and bigger,
there will more 10k buyin tournament online.
Those young pros has 1 million + tournament winnings in several years. Their
life-time winning could easily surpass 10 million.
是2 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 28 I guess I do beat that game, but just need follow the lesson that do not
play 200 games in a row(around 5 hours). The rake does hurt in that way.
HU can not be profitable by playing low stake games, it takes too much time,
I guess I can not afford that.
HU is high variance game, low buyin might help a little bit, but not that
much.
If you play low buyin, you need at least play 6 tables at a time to be
profitable.
over
quite fun in
the |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 29 btw, my buyin is usually 64BB. Do you think a full 100BB buyin is better? |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 30 Thanks for sharing your experience. yeah, buyin in later levels like level 5
or level 6 is not a very good idea, that is what happened to me (my second
buyin in the case mentioned above). I read some articles on the Internet
that recommends going aggressive and always rebuy if possible, but doing so
really makes the tournament more expensive and takes a toll on the bankroll.
I feel that if I decided in advance not to rebuy at all and play tight, then
this tournament sometimes become unplayable. |
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 31 我知道这还是有不少牛人的，不过好像cash game的不多？等我beat nl50再说吧。。
我现在有40多个buyin可以move up了，winrate也还可以，5.xxbb/100.但是在nl10到
nl25的时候有一个big downswing，我准备把bankroll升到50 buyin的时候在move up了
。。 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 32 我现在正开始向full buyin 转变， 呵呵， 每次80BB buyin, 学习玩steep stack.
pro |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 33 我试水的时候都是带min buyin的， 如果我试水NL200，我到时候估计带40 buyin搞三次，总共也就$240, 不行就降级。
其实现在偶尔也玩NL200，用SS strategy， 只玩AA/KK/AK/99+，基本上也没啥大问题。
,
although
up. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 34 嗯,如果你每次mini buyin,那你3000相当于75个buyin,那是足够了 |
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D*****A
发帖数: 551 | 35 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 难以抗拒 到现在为止，我都是为了感受那个“赌”的刺激而玩的。
很少专心的打，记笔记。都是一边看“康熙”，一边打。只开一个窗口。
不打到输光两个buyin,不走。
真的要反省一下了。
比如，rush 里赢了两个buyin，走。然后打慢的。 |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 36 lol.. I don't remember much about the stuff you saw, I was concentrate on
one 2/4 table (maybe not on fulltilt, can't quite remember) where we were
400bb deep for a while, and opponent was very aggressive, lots of raise/
reraise after flop, he was a thinking player, a lot of stuff to consider in
that match. I quit all tables soon after I was done with that match (I lost
a few buyin to him before, after this match, I am up a few buyin ^_^) |
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N********s
发帖数: 44 | 37 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - nl2求教 但是bankroll不允许啊，NL25 60bb buyin现在的bankroll只够不到4 buyin的...NL5是
不是比NL2正常一点？ |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 38 Yesterday I tried RUSH 50 and got unlucky (play two tables, one table down
two mini Buy-in; the other up 1 mini Buy-in+) and went to try RUSH 25.
Surprisingly RUSH 25 is extremely soft. I play around 100 hand/session(two
tables together). Won one mini-buyin/100 hand in the first 5 consective
sessions (hands are kinds of dry actually, just too many fishes). It is around/aft mid-night. Majority players are from EU/Aus. Lots of fishes.
However, I down two mini-buyin in last 2 additional sessions. |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 39 down 20 buyins in last 40 games and run 15 buyins below allin ev
(the real thing is worse course case like this don't show up in allin ev:
flop botton two bet flop, bet turn, river paired the top card, villain check
, I check and lose to his top trips...)
poker or FTP, they must hate me... |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 40 记得原来2500 ftp buyin，前100 guarantee 216token，现在是前50.
原来3500 ftp buyin，前36 guarantee 256token，现在是前20.
都没什么意思了。原来这两个比赛还是挺好的消化ftp的方式。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 41 yeah, he plays 5k buyin husng, sng.
the buyin is way higher. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 42 fryking, were you able to set up private HU with $24/$75 buyin? It doesn't
seem to work for $216 buyin (min number of players needs to be 18).
then |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 43 water~~~~~~~~~~~
I played NL50 and NL100 mixed. overall it's about even. lost 2 buyin in Nl50
and won 2 buyin in NL100. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 44 halfrek won 2 FTOPs event in 2 days.
one is 1000$ buyin, 1st prize is 450k.
one is 2500$ buyin, 1st prize is 400k.
both are the toughest field. That is really really amazing.
Da_professional has won 3 tournies on FTP in 2 days.
no big majors, still up 130K$
one is 163$ rebuy,(65K$) one is 163$ freeout,(23K) one is 100$ rebuy.(40K)
Those are the toughest games on FTP.
short- |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 45 I get so frustrated on soleeyeboy's games. Because I open it one week ago, I
put so many hours(yeah, 800 games already in just one week, compare I play
1100 games under pokeryjj using at least 3 weeks) into it. But the crap
gives me ridiculous downswings.
550$ downswing 2 times, As you may know, I play 35$ buyin games only, 550$
is equal to 15 games.
In HU sng, ppl only get 20 buyin for their entire bankroll. 15 games
downswing means that he is broken already.
It is so annoying and frustrating. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 46 red line stands for "show luck adjusted winnings"
Both IDs has done the filter already. Only 35$ super turbo HU sng.
Pokeryjj's data are super turbo 35$ buyin HU sng games only. Do not include
50$, 20$ buyin games.
I did put a lot of energy on my soleeyeboy ID, but stupid poor result makes
me so depressed. |
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c**********0
发帖数: 197 | 47 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - LV有感 严重同意2，3。
两天输了不到40。第一天赢了一个buyin不到,第二天输了一个buyin + slot machine
20.
估计一年内不会再去了。老二出生以后，会忙死的。不过可以在网上过过瘾。
是N |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 48 I think Gus is still way better than Isildur1. He will not go broken in one
night, and Gus's big winning is on Capped PLO.
GUS does not have big expectation on PLO now, playing very cautiously, never
full buyin, usually buyin 20BB.
Isildur1 is a geek, I guess noone will lose 4.2 million in one night. Even
before that huge loss, he lost 3 million to PA in one night already.(I watch
the whole battle. Even during the battle, PA said that he will take a break
if he lost 600k in one day. ) He should ... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 49 这个月经历了打牌以来最大的downswing. lost 9 buy in in 1 days, another 3 buy-
in in following 2 days,然后在以后5 天里在大幅反弹回10个buyin. 后又第2次探底
到lose $2000 in a single one day!!! (6 buyin in NL100 and $1400 went to
NL200, sigh... will not touch NL200 for a while). 这是我今年最大的downswing
. 以前最多只有4 buy in down,也是屈指可数..我当时觉得这个月几乎是不可能赢利
了, 只希望可以报住平局, 同时在downswing 中找到几个leak 来fix. 几个preflop 3
bet/4 bet 中的致命leak, 我很快就意识到了(虽然downswing 不全是这些leak 造成
的), 也有意fix 了一下.
终于经过艰难爬坡差不多爬上最高坡, 这个月也突破重重困难,
Cash盈利:400
Toney盈利:1500
rakeback: 45... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 50 Wcoop's buyin is huge also.
For example, they have a lot of 10k buyin event. this year's main event
winner prize is over 2 million USD. |
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