p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 1
This is one of my problem, almost every day I have one or two hand I
bluff
I have same problem, especially when I just got started. I still can not
control myself to bluff with air sometime even I knew the bluff is -EV after
I playe so many games. Guess sometime we just have to learn to give up. We can not win every pot. |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 2 For hand 1 and 2, I think all your thoughts make sense and could certainly
work in your favor.
I like raising the turn for hand 1 because your hand was ahead but very
vulnerable. The pot was big already. So I'd like to end the hand there. And
raising the turn is a good balance for your bluffs. That thin value raise
depolarized your turn raise range, which made it a disaster for villain if
he decides to use TPTK as a bluff catcher.
Hand 2: again, nothing wrong with your play. I like checking a tr... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 3 About your hand 3. Let me share this -- I really like Ed Miller's guidance
about when to bluff in low-stake games. His point is just one sentence --
bluff when you know that villain is weak, not when you feel that you can
represent the monster with a good story.
His reason is: low-stake players generally call based on their hand strength
. Often times they say "I cannot fold this hand so I will pay your off".
Then they call and show you pocket AAs to beat your bluff. Then you yelled:"
I checked ... 阅读全帖 |
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H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 4 Well played hands.
#4) seems tricky to me. The river bet of $25 (pot 110?) is because he's
holding TT and it's unlikely you got the sole T left, nor would he put you
on some overpair. He's kina begging a call...
On the other hand as hero repop and thinking the opponent's doing a block
bet, it's all well thought. If he's small bet was indeed a block he decided
to bluff back I'd muck by then. The reason being that people do block bet
when they dont wana see a big bluff, and after counter-block bet... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 5 在我看来BLUFF要成功最主要的是要符合逻辑，也就是你的LINE得MAKE SENSE，对手才
能相信你。比如昨天，我拿QJ OFF-SUIT在BUTTON，RAISE 13,两个人CALL，FLOP Q 8 7
，第一个人LEAD OUT FOR 25，第二个人CALL，我知道第一个人至少有QJ以上，他要
LEAD OUT从来都是很好的牌，我很不喜欢我的KICKER，所以就RAISE到95，他想半天
FOLD了。第二个是DRAW，也FOLD了。由于我PRE-FLOP RAISE过，所以我很可能有大
KICKER或OVER PAIR，所以他也不敢CALL。 还有一盘，我拿Q5 SUITED DIAMONDS UTG
LIMP，几个LIMPER，FLOP A Q 3, CHECK，MP BET 10，LP CALL，我RAISE 25, MP CALL
， LP FOLD。 TURN BLANK，我毫不犹豫BET了50，MP FOLD 了他的AJ。 我的LINE能看
出很STRONG，最不好的BLUFF就是FLOP BET，然后TURN CHECK，RIVER又来BET，这样的
一般明显... 阅读全帖 |
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s******e
发帖数: 44 | 6 我承认我是追寻着大神姐姐的脚步来到VEGAS的，看了她写的赌场分析，觉得也要在
VEGAS试试水。
1.2号晚上到达的，然后吃的马马虎虎的面馆后，就在自己住的bally's开始玩了。刚玩
了几首牌，two pair all in 就被人家在river给hit flush了。。然后在打得长达5个
小时内，给过dealer3次小费。。你们懂的，于是到最后终于肯离开桌子，已经-700了
。回去睡觉。。。。
1.3号，睡好了大觉，准备去一个饭店填饱肚子，各种找不到啊，最后绕道V去吃了个中
餐。。。发现vegas其实吃饭挺麻烦的，buffet么那个队伍都赶上长征了。11:30，正式
进入V（威尼斯人），一打就到了晚上的12点。先汇报战绩，打了约12小时，up了1600+
在一桌上坐下之后也就没有换过位置，反正来来去去换了一些人，但主要还是和一些固
定的人在玩，一个韩国人，2个俄罗斯人，3个东欧的（一家男人），一个台湾阿姨，一
个波士顿小哥。其中也就那个东欧的大叔，叫A吧，打得挺厉害的，我没和他打过几次
，但是不一会，他就从300变成了800+。最开始玩的时候，就老爱去bluff，后面发现，
bl... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 7 This is about balancing, a really good one, IMO.
I really really like this statement!
" So, in any situation, my first thought is what I'm trying to
accomplish with a play (a bet, ck, raise)"
"
I don't crunch numbers as often as people probably think I do.
I think I am good at doing some rough math in my head on the fly, as far as
hand combos and ranges go. Lemme think about my thought process...
So, in any situation, my first thought is what I'm trying to accomplish with
a pla... 阅读全帖 |
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e****m
发帖数: 26 | 8 By look at the chip size, my rough estimate you need at least 30% of equity
to make the call. The Chinese guys must have a made hand. Because there is
no reason to bluff you away then face the fish with draws. You obviously had
the boat with top kicker. Most people will not fold that no matter what. If
the Chinese is a good player, he will not bluff with his value hand like KQ
, KJ and it is better to make a smooth call here for him. He could make a
bluff with one pair if he know the fish is on ... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 9 我没有BULLY啊。就是经常BET经常BLUFF，当时又被别人抓了几次BLUFF，所以没人相信
我了。不过你说的很对，因为我昨晚是换了一张桌子打的，所以大家对我的了解不够，
没把我当一个可怕选手来打，有点低估我了。A10那把，他要了解我就知道我很少搞这
种无脑BLUFF的，所以一般都是很有牌才会这么打的。 |
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p******e
发帖数: 327 | 10 3. I had $100ish with K10o at Cutoff, 5 to 6 limpers before me, so I decided
to limp too because of position.
Flop QJx rainbow. EP guy bet $15 (He had less than $200 before this hand),
folded to me, I re-popped to $40. I had never reraise with a draw that night
. I thought he would fold because he is pretty tight. Also, I did this
because I'm short stack, so basically I was trying to give him a message
that I would go all in with my left stack. Surprisely, he went all in. I
called and rivered a ... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 11 hand 3, a tight guy donk-bet in multiway flop means strong, if you do want
him to fold, you need to maximize his Fold Equity (if any), usually I wouldn
't do that (lol)
hand 4, if the kid played really tight, and rarely open/call before that
hand, I am more than happy to give him some credit when he shows some
strength. I wouldn't tangle with such guy by marginal situation. like MM 老
湿 said，不是每个bluff都要去抓的, 我觉得你应该谢谢他showed the bluff，so
that we at least know he is not a NIT. 反过来讲，我们自己绝对不要在没有必要
的情况... 阅读全帖 |
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d******u
发帖数: 142 | 12 Hand 3 is where the problem is.
Put bluff aside, what hand does he expect you to have to lead out from EP
after flop with 5 ppl in pot and fire 2nd barrel on turn? Your hand is
probably at the very lower end of range. His raise rules out straight draw
and, if not bluff, should be way ahead of you.
If he wants to raise with top pair lower kicker and find out where he is, he
will do it at flop.
You turn all-in is effectively a bluff but in this case very difficult to
push villain away with the sta... 阅读全帖 |
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t****t
发帖数: 95 | 13 那把牌太bad beat了，pat, pat~~ （我傍晚的时候又和baytennis坐一桌,也见证了那
手牌)
我后来玩到晚上10:30, 把我的$60 run到600整就sit-out了，Liu后来过来坐了我的座
位，我看他玩了一个多小时，吃了碗面就回家了。
晚上是个不错的session,整个桌子非常的passive, soft.我打的及其松，很多thin
value都拿到了。我的quad 3自己把自己钩commit了，到了river的时候，我只剩不到
100，mid pair很无奈的crying call, 把我double up了。后来不少semi bluff，
bottom pair/bluff也都成了。除了quad那手牌印象深，其他牌都没什么印象了，都是
top pair/mid pair/bluff的profit.
anyways, 希望我们以后不要输大pot给two pair,我们的two pair都能hold up and get
paid off.
Good night folks~~
有点tilt，好不容易弄来的1k chip play rush没一会就被搞没了... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 14 I agree with you and in some degree I play my live games similar as what you
did.
However, when I play against someone like you, I will play strong in
position with draw and punish OOP donk out as I know it's very hard for OOP
player to continue without monster hand.
Call and bluff on the river with obvious missing draw is not a good plan as
you(not others) could very likely to call.
Either 1. 3 bet on the flop/turn
2. call and no bluff
3. call/float and bluff with some other draw made hand.
you... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 15 Last night in local casino. I limped UTG with J 10o. BTN limped also. He was
a young black guy who sat down 15 minutes ago. BB checked. I had both of
them covered. Flop Jd 10d 7h. Checked around. Turn was a 10h. BB checked,
and I bet 15$. Black guy and BB both called. River was a 3c. BB checked. I
thought for a minute and then checked (figuring they both missed, so better
just let the black guy bluff). Black guy immediately bet for 30$. BB folded.
I smiled at the black guy and said," you're bluf... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 16 My first three barrel bluff got called last night also, but I don't feel bad
. I still think it was a good bluff, and I don't understand how he called
that. There was no draw on the board. I bet 18 on the flop, 45 on the turn,
and 100 on the river, and that guy still called! What the heck! I usually
shut down on the river, but I made my last try and fired another barrel. The
guy took a long time but still called with his top pair. Although I lost
163 on that hand, I got paid off later when I had... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 17 Local casino. 2-3NL. I just lost 160 dollars on a triple barrel bluff and I
showed my hand. There was another hand that I raised with a pair and a gut
shot straight draw on the flop of 3 4 7. The other guy flopped the straight.
I got lucky on the turn and we went all in. We ended up chopping the pot,
but everyone knew that I was capable of bluffing with anything. No one on
the table believed me at that time.I was very aware of that. So I decided to
stop bluffing and just wait for a big hand to g... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 18 坦率地说，我觉得AT和JJ真的很难在对手得range里
flop 3-bet得range基本上就是非常强得牌+强draw牌，如果他是AT,JJ，他平call你的
raise得可能性很大。
为什么他AT，JJ应该平call你的raise呢？（假设你的flop raise有semibluff和纯
bluff）
因为AT,JJ这里repop allin没有任何意义，只打跑了比AT,JJ小的bluff，你肯定不会用
bluff的牌来call吧，而你call他repop的range只有强draw牌和比他AT,JJ强很多的牌。
因此这里他拿AT，JJ repop的概率非常非常小。
再看他的range，因为他会repop KsJs，所以他应该会repop很多强draw牌，强draw牌
落后你不会很多，因为你这里不是AA，强draw牌可能还多了一些out。这里
即使他没有AA，KK，他也可能有2pair和set的组合，这样的牌是领先你非常多的。
总结一下，用overpair call这样的flop 3bet，基本上就是你和他做一个flip或者
你大大落后。数字分析我也给你写上了，打牌的时候是来不及算，... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 19 和你讲白讲了，我不是前面说了我告诉他我有QQ之后他表情变得紧张了吗？这也只是个
很重要的参考而已，你要我说凭什么100％确定，我怎么能确定？我又没看到他牌。那
些抓BLUFF的谁能100％肯定别人是在BLUFF？不都是觉得对手BLUFF的可能性大于有牌的
可能性才去CALL吗？ |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 20 承蒙老大挂念
虽然我很久不打牌了， 可还真是每天潜水，看你们赢钱啊吵架啊聚会啊， 很是欢乐哈
， 不过局外人，乱发评论不好， 就潜水了。 另外，我是班花的支持者， 觉得能赢钱
是王道， 理论什么的Online的作用更明显， Live来说read和交流能力非常重要。我以
前Onlie经常搞bluff,因为躲在电脑后面，没有心理负担， 可是Live里面bluff的时候
， 自我感觉表情动作方面的破绽其实很多。看了班花的许多Poker故事， 感觉她在
live player里面真的算很不错，记得有一次她bluff对手， 盯着别人眼睛说QQ no
good， 我觉得不是每个人都有那份胆色和勇气的。
目前待的地方方圆3个小时没有casion, Online又没得玩， 已经被迫转向其他兴趣了，
比如国标麻将， 滑雪， 足球， 篮球， etc
等6月分再换个新工作， 看看能不能来DC， 到时候和老大再去赌场逛逛 |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 21 某天在本地casino玩2/5NL，落座后发现action极大，几乎人人都有差不多800多chip，
基本上到turn bet时pot就很大。我的300buy-in让我不免有点惭愧。。幸好牌还不错，
除了一把turn baby flush被人river到 boat外不得不re-buy 400，加上不时bluff, 差
不多2个小时我就搞到了1640多，最爽的是上次在我call 420后all-in把我吓走的老印
两次被我清空后主动换桌。这时换过来一个年轻亚裔和白人老头，估计都是有钱的主，
落座后两人对扛把本来就已经不错的action上升到我从没见过的高度。基本上每把牌两
人preflop都raise到50-100，然后flop 100, turn 200/all-in的打法，往往river上亮
牌的这两，一个是middle pair, 一个是top pair with bottom kicker!!!!!没多久
regs就看清了这两条不多见的大肥鱼，一有点牌就开始pre-flop raise 100以上，那两
个人只要有ace或者draw基本一路跟到底。这可是俺从来没见过的场面。。。。... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 22 2-5 NL.
1.
A new young white kid just sat down at table and started the hand with
about 750$,I got him covered. He raised to 25 UTG, two callers, I was at SB
with QQ and I reraised to 120$, UTG snap shoved, 2 callers folded, action
to me, call or fold?
2. Villian is an internet kid and used to play a lot online. he is super
lag He raised preflop a ton and 3 bet a ton preflop. And he loves to make
a lot of move and 3 barrel bluff a lot. he is winning player though, with
huge swing. we... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 23 老头是典型的weak tight，所以他是不可能在flop上bet他的draw的，我一直put him
90% on top pair,所以如果我check,他是肯定check的，因为他的牌有showdwon value
，所以我必须得bet。而且即使他miss了他的draw他也不可能bet的，前面那手10c6c的
牌不就是这样吗？他miss他的straight draw,我river check，他也没bet，而且这个是
100 MAX BET的game，100也不可能把谁bluff 掉。那晚我就有一盘拿着23o在board是10
8 2 7 A 的情况下call了那个original raiser的100 river bet，结果赢了，所以一
般很少有人会在那个game bluff，特别是在pot已经很大的情况下。引诱bluff这种事我
也干了很多，一般我都是确定对方miss draw才在river check的，上次我不就在river
check，然后对家马上bet了个230，我拿着一个TPMK几乎就是snap call的他，而且那个
check我是turn上就已经计划好了，我当... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 24 老头是典型的weak tight，所以他是不可能在flop上bet他的draw的，我一直put him
90% on top pair,所以如果我check,他是肯定check的，因为他的牌有showdwon value
，所以我必须得bet。而且即使他miss了他的draw他也不可能bet的，前面那手10c6c的
牌不就是这样吗？他miss他的straight draw,我river check，他也没bet，而且这个是
100 MAX BET的game，100也不可能把谁bluff 掉。那晚我就有一盘拿着23o在board是10
8 2 7 A 的情况下call了那个original raiser的100 river bet，结果赢了，所以一
般很少有人会在那个game bluff，特别是在pot已经很大的情况下。引诱bluff这种事我
也干了很多，一般我都是确定对方miss draw才在river check的，上次我不就在river
check，然后对家马上bet了个230，我拿着一个TPMK几乎就是snap call的他，而且那个
check我是turn上就已经计划好了，我当... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 I think you worry too much about balancing and defensing your blind.
Sometimes we should just let it go even if we know button is stealing
especially if he does not like to fold to 3 bet. You are putting yourself in a very bad situation post flop when you 3 bet bluff out of position. you lose more long term than defending the blinds. If you really want to defend and he likes to call 3 bet a lot light, i would rather 3 bet wider for thin value than 3 bet bluff. adding K10s, A9s etc into your 3 b... 阅读全帖 |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 26 But I think his balancing from time to time is a good idea. He 3bets 4 times
in a row and no callers. His image was too tight for action. But in order
to execute his original plan to widen his presumed 3bet range, i think maybe
it is better for cmis to call the river and show this hand.
in a very bad situation post flop when you 3 bet bluff out of position. you
lose more long term than defending the blinds. If you really want to defend
and he likes to call 3 bet a lot light, i would rather 3 be... 阅读全帖 |
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p****t
发帖数: 292 | 27 Then you are turning your JJ/TT into bluff. Even worse, you force your
opponent to play optimally against you, that is, he'll 4bet hands that beat
you and fold hands that you beat. Occasionally, he'll decide to bluff 4bet
and succede.
I prefer flat calling with JJ/TT now and I pick other hands to bluff 3bet.
For example, I like to 3bet AQo/KQo when the raiser has a tight range and I
believe that I cannot profitably flat call with those hands. However,
because of the blockers I hold, I expect my ... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 28 I don't think LHE will die down. But I think the better players in NLH will not go back to LHE to make a profit. I don't play much LHE or PLO, but my understanding of these 3 game are as such.
LHE->NLH-> PLO
The importance of your hole cards decrease in order. (less important does not mean not important. it only means that you can play a wider range.)
LHE is mainly playing your hole cards. You can rarely bluff anyone out of a pot and you can not protect your hand either. People call to see show ... 阅读全帖 |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 29 If you consistently try to bluff catch in LHE because there are so many
showdowns it will be a huge leak in your game. In the mid 2000s most
winning players had 45% go-to-showdown, and by late 2000 it was trending to
55% go-to-showdown, but still not anywhere to the point that bluffing
becomes unprofitable.
I think we need to qualify what you wrote below with 'if you play straight-
forward'.
PLO is an equity game - much different than hold'em of either variety. Like
you said the hand equities ... 阅读全帖 |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 30 在外出差两个礼拜，中间只有从旧金山飞回自己家过了短短的两个小时就和LP一起飞去
纽约了。那个礼拜每天早出晚归真的很累。终于到了母亲节周末，我们俩和家人约好在
拉斯维加斯度过假日。高高兴兴的去玩了～
礼拜五：
上了飞机发现没有个人的in-flight entertainment也没有wifi available这哪门子的
东部直飞西部啊？（有公司给的gogo wifi帐号所以没用到就感觉像吃了亏似的）。还
好是早上六点就呼呼大睡了。
这次住在MGM Grand。Hostess一直说renovate后怎么怎么好。还可以啦。吃完午餐不够
时间打扑克，就去当个degenerate玩table games。小小的玩。小小的赢。
跟家人吃完晚餐后去看看MGM Grand的Poker Room的小mix（6-12）。Spread的大部分是
我比较喜欢的种类。Triple Draw + Badeucey + Badacey + Razzdugi + Omaha 8
Double Qualifier (不喜欢！！） + Stud 8。4 handed还算挺好玩的。可是没有LHE给
LP玩，而别的玩家只有... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 31
arguing
+.
as
be
This is exact what I was thinking.
My 2nd barrel looks relatively small because the villains don't really have
pot odds concept. It was pure value bet to persuade weaker hand stay in the
pot.
However, when the other one folded, it was a really good spot for Villain to
bluff me out regarding the flop drama, plus we had some history of fighting
. When he check/raise on the turn. I put his hand on rags, bd flush draw/
combo draw, weak hands like mid pair-, and made hand like 2 pai... 阅读全帖 |
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D********i
发帖数: 78 | 32 感谢老大和鱼宝宝的回复。
“这首牌太overthink，bluff的时候不要老想着“自己在别人眼里是什么形象”以及“
我代表了什么样的故事”这样的问题。Bluff的第一要素不是你能代表什么牌。而是考
虑敌人有多强。”
一语中的。看来我对于bluff的理解还不到位，这句话给我醍醐灌顶的感觉。
知道自己的错误出在什么地方之后真的感觉很开心。 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 33 ”tournament里头week tight更不成“是一个常见的myth。原因你看剪辑都只看到
Joseph Cheong这样6-bet A7o allin 的donk。所以你就觉得tourney必须donk不然就会
被blind out。
恰恰相反。Tourney打weak tight是非常有前途的。原因是tourney stack size浅所以
技术作用下降而按牌力说话的时候居多。所以恰恰应该打ABC POKER而不是make move。
一个最好的例子就是Phil Hellmuth。几乎所有的cash高手都看不起他，觉得他是个
weak tight。恰恰是他这样的weak tight能搞定13个手链。他的打法的确就是个加强版
的weak tight．一来几乎不3-bet light. 二来bluff的少。也不是说他不bluff。而是
说他bluff的时候基本总有个8/9个outs的样子。跟那些拿着J4o开抡的“高手”们没法
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 34 有一副live poker 1/2 NL的牌：
我前面是个solid player。连续几次preflop raise。我觉得他手里可能不会每次都是
特别好的牌吧。当他再次在MP preflop raise$12,我拿pocket 5 call。我后面有一个
call。
flop 2，4，9 rainbow。
他bet $25,我call。后面的fold。
turn是另一张9，他bet$45,这时我判断他是 big pocket pair。
我raise到$135,他犹豫了一下，说中了9？让dealer查了下我bet数目，就fold，亮出一
对K。（bluff最好在turn上raise对手的 bet，这样不但对方觉得你牌力很强，而且他
会顾忌你在river上还有一次bet，所以最容易fold）
我自己觉得这种情况(在live poker）绝大多数人都会fold。
但不知道大家是不是都是这么想。
在上面的牌例中：
1.如果你知道我偶尔bluff，你会fold KK吗？
2.如果你知道我经常bluff，你会fold KK吗？ |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 35 turn check/call就正好制住我了。
不过live poker有大对的很少这么打。除非专门针对喜欢bluff的。
你这个风格我肯定不敢bluff你。
一般都是打了很久，对很熟悉的才敢bluff。
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 36 如果我对他打法熟悉的话，可能会call他的river bluff.
很多疯鱼在他们认为自己领先时会疯狂bet.如果不bet，说明手里确实没有牌。
如果这家伙平时确实是这么打法，那么他的flop和turn check说明他手里什么也没有。
所以river bluff的可能性就挺高。
用82 去赌395，只要他有20%的概率是bluff就+EV. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 37 我的意思是如果Villan认为hero是bluff，他call就行了。为什么要allin？
是要以bluff对bluff？如果Villan拿KQ或更小的牌，allin明显就是overplay。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 太乐观了，对手除了bluff 就是worse hand. 其实我都不觉得他敢pocket 4 river 再
check raise river bluff, 否则他river 就强先shove bluff 了.
If
to |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 39 这牌SLOW PLAY INDUCE BLUFF没什么问题。
关键是RIVER SHOVE的READ。他以前是否有RIVER SHOVE BLUFF很重要。
根据哥的血泪经验，符合以下2点的情况下DONK十有八九是真有NUTS，不管LINE有多奇
怪：
1.RIVER SHOVE。
2.SHOVE SIZE和前两轮他的BET SIZE不成比例。
注意，这里RIVER一定要是SHOVE。对于DONK，我碰到过好几个RIVER POT SIZE BET 哪
怕 OVERBET 经常会是BLUFF，但对同一个DONK，他超大的 RIVER SHOVE 十有八九是有
牌。
举两个例子：
1. FLOP TURN 我CH-C 两轮with middle pair, 他每次下注大概都是20，RIVER HIT
TRIP，哥CH,打算RAISE。DONK 直接1K SHOVE,哥顿时傻眼。我也差不多1K，想了半天还
是CALL了。他TOP BOAT。
2. DONK PREFLOP 3-BET OOP, 哥AJs,CALL. FLOP C-BET HALF,40左右，哥CALL with
TPTK。... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 40
7 buy in downswing是很正常的，但是被3bet了几次开始tilt，尤其是有position的情
况下，就很不应该了。从lz以前的帖子看，lz的技术应该是没有问题的，但是很可能
tournament和6max的dynamic不一样吧
其实感觉lz在“第四把我用ato 4bet overshove反推他100bb”的时候就tilt了。ATo面
对wide 3b range且有position的时候绝对是应该call的。其次4b bluff fold to 5b也
还可以。4b all-in是很大的一个leak。
感觉我认识的很多人仅仅把tilt看作是emotion的问题而不是技术的问题，这是不对的
。举个例子来说，如果我现在去打NL20，不管出现什么情况我都不太可能tilt，因为对
手的move基本都在意料之中。但是上周末打NL200打了没几手牌，在没有任何bad beat
的情况下，就觉得情绪有点失控，因为明显感觉对手在利用position exploit我，而我
没有很好的应对的办法。这种情况下一般我就换桌或者不打了。
即使桌上的reg skill edge不是很大，... 阅读全帖 |
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E*******r
发帖数: 520 | 41 TEN TIPS TO BEAT LIVE CASH GAMES
LIVE AID
BY ROSS JARVISNOVEMBER 2009
Training sites like CardRunners and PokerXFactor have a lot to answer for. A
few years ago, online poker rooms were swarming with fish readily handing
over their money on a daily basis. Unfortunately those days are over. While
you still might come across a dream table from time to time, it’s clear
that there’s been a gradual improvement online to the point that even at
lower limits such as $0.25/$0.50 you’ll find regular caree... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 42 ^_^ 楼主别太介意哈 哥也是被人叫鱼叫到现在 不也还活着么
顺道说下哥的理解
1 既然打的是5c/10c，哥默认楼主并不真的介意最后输赢多少钱，那就好办了 ^_^
2 既然对手无论如何都喜欢call，并且只看自己的牌，那就只玩大牌，并且在拿到大牌
时，在前两条街下非常非常重的注，river可以看牌面/对手情况而定（所以建议stack
不要太深）
3 前两条街不要bluff，river在天时、地利、人和的时候可以适当bluff，如果楼主
bluff会紧张的话，记得带hood
4 对上这样的对手 因为策略变的很简单 其实打牌的乐趣少了一大半 要相信你的打法
没有错 要心理默念 “他是鱼 我能赢”
5 被人bad beat、suck out其实真的真的很正常。即使连着被badbeat 3到4把，输个
300bb到400bb，也要坚信，你的打法没错，心里默念“他是鱼，我能赢”。但是输了之
后，失去信仰，打法变形，开始用烂牌跟对手赌的话，那就完了，准备光屁股回家吧。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 43 1/2NL, i'm new to this table, only for 2 rounds, not quite familiar with how
each one plays.
well, i feel the table is kind of weak so open and bluff twice, medium pots,
take down both, but i can sense ppl are getting suspicious. there're two 1K
+ stacks on my left and right, so i better be careful, lol.
then this hand comes, i "unfortunately" pick up red AA from CO, 2 limpers, i
pop up to $15, BB and both call.
flop: 894 rainbow, all check to me, i bet $30 (when i bluff, i bet this much
too), o... 阅读全帖 |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 44 After tourney got busted out at 22nd place with my A8s against A2o, I came
downstair and played 2/5 again. Quickly won 200. Then came this hand:
hero hold JJ at BTN raised to 20 PF. 4 way pot. Flop AdQd3c. check to CO,
who led out 40. Hero mini raised to 80. CO called. Turn 5d gave 3
diamonds on the board. CO check. Hero tank a while and check. River blank
. CO led out 80. Hero raised to 230. CO tank a while and asked if I will
show him my card if he fold. Hero didn't say anything... 阅读全帖 |
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y*********3
发帖数: 54 | 45 最近才开始玩poker的，七七八八的看了一些理论书，然后就到当地赌场去玩最小的桌
（1-2-2，button $1, sb $2, bb $2, $4 to open），玩了几周，总共输了大概1500吧
，本周末输了1000，刚从赌场回来。其实我自己能明显感觉到自己的一些问题，不知道
哪位大侠能指导一下？多谢多谢！
1，打的太紧，手牌的range基本上会被别人猜得比较准，一般只玩两张大牌，同花的连
张和跳1张，手对
关于打的紧有几个原因：
a，看书上讲紧凶打法，觉得新人还是紧一些好
b，也曾试图稍微松点，结果松的那些手基本是不中牌的，玩着玩着就发现筹码下去的
很快，只能恢复紧的状态
2，打的太明显，除了手对中了暗set能比较隐蔽，大牌打的很明显就是赶draw的人，同
花明显就是在抽牌，这样对手很容易在我身上搞到value或者在我身上损失很少的value
这里我其实有一些疑问：
a，大牌我有时候也试图不要太急于赶人，但是这种情况下给draw的对手比较好的赔率
，被人中过几次flush，损失不小
b，draw的牌基本上就是call合适的赔率，但是一共就中了1次，又不是很敢反过来
raise... 阅读全帖 |
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y*********3
发帖数: 54 | 46 最近才开始玩poker的，七七八八的看了一些理论书，然后就到当地赌场去玩最小的桌
（1-2-2，button $1, sb $2, bb $2, $4 to open），玩了几周，总共输了大概1500吧
，本周末输了1000，刚从赌场回来。其实我自己能明显感觉到自己的一些问题，不知道
哪位大侠能指导一下？多谢多谢！
1，打的太紧，手牌的range基本上会被别人猜得比较准，一般只玩两张大牌，同花的连
张和跳1张，手对
关于打的紧有几个原因：
a，看书上讲紧凶打法，觉得新人还是紧一些好
b，也曾试图稍微松点，结果松的那些手基本是不中牌的，玩着玩着就发现筹码下去的
很快，只能恢复紧的状态
2，打的太明显，除了手对中了暗set能比较隐蔽，大牌打的很明显就是赶draw的人，同
花明显就是在抽牌，这样对手很容易在我身上搞到value或者在我身上损失很少的value
这里我其实有一些疑问：
a，大牌我有时候也试图不要太急于赶人，但是这种情况下给draw的对手比较好的赔率
，被人中过几次flush，损失不小
b，draw的牌基本上就是call合适的赔率，但是一共就中了1次，又不是很敢反过来
raise... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 47 The biggest leak of small stakes players is that they watch too much high
stakes poker.
I played this hand about an hour ago.
Fold to button, who is a winning reg steal about 60% at button. He folds to
3bet about 54%, i.e, he calls with a lot of trash and tries to outplay his
opponents with position. He is a very good player in this level. But his
range is just so weak.
I was SB with TcQc. I 3bet for value. BB folded, Button called.
Flop came 8c Jd 3c. I cbet 2/3 pot, planning to shove against a... 阅读全帖 |
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x*******0
发帖数: 94 | 48 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 牛人求教 本人打扑克是从2011开始，陆陆续续，也输输赢赢。从今年8月开始正式玩poker。 8，
9，10主要打1/2，11月开始我主要打2/5，问题发生了，这个月打的很差，输了很多。
请大家分析一下我的问题。
问题：
1.我打赢1/2了吗
8，9，10月，我tracking我的数据，rate是25 per hour。 net profit 在3000~4000.
一般只有weekday打，周末不打陪女朋友。 这样算好的收益吗
2.我为什么会打不好2/5？
这个月打2/5，我感觉我read牌不好。很多时候被人bluff。 有些人玩的很变态。比如
flop two spades,i have the top pair to kicker,i bet 2/3 the pot, he smooth
call, turn blank, i bet he reraise me, i will be worry about maybe two pairs
or set. river nothing, he go all in. i fold. show me busted flush draw. 这
个是... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 49
Magezine
cash
to
打牌打到一定的level，早晚会开始思考这些个问题：
1 river拿着非nuts的moster到底要不要value？
答案很简单，要。（放着value不去collect跟输钱是一样的道理）
2 value的频率和size是多少？
取决于你的monster能被多少比你差的牌call到。也就是说，你的牌力越强，你value的
频率就应该越高，你value的size就应该越大。（但是这里千万不要想着，自己手拿中
强牌，试图把比你弱的牌留下，而bluff掉比你强的牌，呵呵，那只是wishful
thinking）
3 要是被人raise回来怎么办？
那就fold呗，呵呵。大多数人不去算或者根本算不清，对手手持比自己强的牌和比自己
弱的牌的比例，当然，这种情况下check最保险。但是实际上，当你拿着超级monster但
非nuts时，对手手持nuts的比例实在是非常非常小，换言之，绝大多数情况下对手只会
call或者fold（当然不排除对手是梅尼亚克，乱抡的梅尼亚克送的钱比在这里bluff赢
得钱多得多得多，而牛逼的梅尼亚克也是知道哪里bluff风险太大不划... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 50
虽然flush draw busted，但是牌面已经成了4 cards straight，在这种情况下类似
2pairs/sets的牌，瞬间downgrade到way ahead way behind。
ABC情况下，out of position，拿着小于straight的大牌可以进行size稍小一些的
blocking bet来discourage部分%对手狗急跳墙的行为。但是这个bet，普遍意义上是没
有很大的利润存在，因为基本上比你小的牌都fold了，能call或者raise的都是比你大
（除了你read到对手可能会用比你小的大牌来抓你“bluff”，那这里算是个thin
value bet，size based on对手不愿意fold的程度）。
而villain果真river hit到straight，并且对手只能以over play或者bluff catch为目
的来call你的这个bet，那你bet个1/2和2/3甚至是pot size，没多大区别。
所以，这手牌villain打得是很恰当的，既discourge了bluff又可能挤出点thin value
。但是问题在... 阅读全帖 |
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