W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 full house 变成bluff catcher. 还不如check call river.. hehe.. 我觉得是他slow play pocket 10s or he sucked out Ks on river.. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 I don't want to explain why I bet relatively weak on turn and river. Pot turn and 2/3 pot river works too and i do that often with sets. by the way i like my flop raise size. If you raise much more vs a half pot c bet on the flop, i am afraid you would lose a lot more value over the long run.
But I do want to point out 2 things here.
1) someone check raise you on flop and lead 2 straight bet 2/3 pot and half pot. It is screaming strength and for a call. If you often make this type of bluff, it |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 This is really interesting hand.
EP raise 2$, i have AQo at button. 3 bet to 8X all fold
Flop is 8 10 10 rainbow. pot is 17$
EP check i bet 10$ ep calls.
turn is a K, Pot 37$.
ep check i bet 18$.
river is a K, pot is 73$ .. Ep is a little short have a little over 50$ left.
what would you do here with A high?
i choose to go all in to fold out 10s full or 8s full.
what do you think of this bluff?
Except one thing that EP has quad 10s. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 4 Is that right? I spent maybe 5 seconds on river bet and this guy called me
with a pair of 7! I couldn't mark him calling station just yet. He could be
a bluff catcher.
My story was not quite consistent though. He may think I should have a K
rather than flush draw on turn, so why would I bet this K when flush
completes? Total air? Then he called?
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1100979
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Hero ... 阅读全帖 |
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h*****e
发帖数: 215 | 5 昨天玩了几手牌，很惭愧被bluff了两把
1）我BB position raise KQs,all fold esp the middle position limper called,
flop 6K6,I checked, she checked, 然后 turn 8,她check,我bet 3/4 pot,she
called, river blank, I bet 2/3 pot for value, she push all-in(about 2 pot
size to call).
After about 1 min, I tanked. she showed 23s. @#@#$@%$
2) I min raise with TJs at the BB, the UTG called me. The flop come with 892
,two diamond,I checked, he checked behind, one the turn,Q comes he bet about
half the pot, I raise 3x and he called. th... 阅读全帖 |
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h*****e
发帖数: 215 | 6 呵呵，那个女的打的很简单，有牌就ｒａｉｓｅ，然后也会ｌａｔｅ ｐｏｓｔｉｏｎ
ｓｑｕｅｚｚｅ，同时因为我在牌桌子上显得比较笨拙，所以她言语之间很是不屑的
样子，然后很想和我HUD玩。
属于tptk不能fold的。
stake size和我差不多的样子。
第二个我其实诱使他bluff，不过我不知道当时自己脑子里如何想的，那个思维混乱啊
，早上4点钟的样子，在venetian,这个大号的机会都没有抓住，这里shove应该是最好
的play,fold简直不可理喻，at least call。哎，也许自己开始就没有一个很好的plan
:( |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 7 since I have no knowledge of your opponent, so I assume she is an ok regular
first hand, it's bluff or had you beaten, it's actually not a bad fold
unless she knew you will always fold to big river raise without nuts, then
it's your problem and she is very good to exploit you with this, so for
future reference
if you can't call river shove, don't bet at river, that's a thin value bet,
and if you bet, you need to think about what to do if she raises,
second hand is your real problem, too weak tig... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 Hand 1 is a tough call. She rep a 6 pretty well. But if you bet flop, it
decrease her chances of bluffing a lot.
Hand 2 is the type of bluff live fishreg likes to make. Not really reping
anything but they will take a stab regardless because weak tight live player
will fold to them very often. So they think it is a great play but in fact it probably is a leak. There is no way he has a boat as played. If I check river, i probably check shove to get full value from trip Qs |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 keep playing like a virgin and let those bastards bully, they'll pay big for
their entertainment anyway, lol.
another chinese guy who i played with last time at borgata. in the beginning
, he appeared as the "typical tight" asian. one hand he over played his AK
on TPTK turn and got busted (i almost kicked him as a sure fold)...
then that hand turned him into a total beast... he refused to reload and
kept playing with his last $20. i felt pity for him and guessed he might be
a poor unlucky guy.
t... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 Not really true. You just have to pick your spot with some equity.
worst place to bluff... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 so we put him in complete air on turn? now another Q rolls out, all of
sudden he has a Q writen all over his face? wow.. both are not thinking
of this hand in terms of range at all~~~~
sizing is bad. but if he all in over bet bluff before, i think you can call here. vs most of other villian, probably fold. But checking turn is really really really really ....bad. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 12 but sometimes you have to "re-evaluate". when you checked the turn, you didn
't expect him to allin. you only expected to extract one value bet (so you'
ll raise the river and he will likely to fold).
One tell is that he often allin bluffs on river. that's why calling him may
not be bad. Don't put him on a Q. He wants a call if he has a Q so allin is
unlikely. He may have a pocket pair and 99 is not that bad because he didn't
3bet preflop. Or he just has an A high.
call and win may have another ... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 13 很多时候到了river对方的range并不是很难读，但难就难在我不知道对方是level几，
是不是会call我的bluff，所以很多时候也不敢弄。
下面这手CO很loose，我3bet，其实有点isolate的意思，准备让他call的（3bet得有点
多了），但SB call进来我觉得不妙。
flop大家都check，turn上SB bet不多，CO call后，我感觉肯定落后的，大概都是比我
大的overpair，要按一般情况我会fold，可今天前面比较衰，让人badbeat好几次，突
然就想，call了等set吧，虽说没剩多少筹码了。
没想到river是张A，而且前面两人都check。我立刻排除AA，AK也几乎不可能撑到现在
，所以我没犹豫，allin。SB很快fold，CO想了好一会儿fold。我的range太窄了，AK不
像，AA前面不bet？我都不知道他们会认为我是什么牌。。但是他们可能不想level自己
太厉害，干脆fold了。
这手牌到了NL100估计会死得很难看。
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 14 I really doubt this is a bluff..
Are they really folding JJ-KK, Or Ax better?
jj-kk is very less possible |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 15 I just mentioned in early post that I did not spend enough time to study/improve
my game. I also admit in my early post that I have lots of leak as well, like
overvalue bluff opportunity of big card playing HU.
Tilt/ego issue is another major factor that prevent me from further
success.
I do not have a single losing month record playing online though. Only
one losing month in HUSNG ,but I had decent score in 2-4 rush that month.
be
prevent
or |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 16 Vassesa is very good.She knows everything, and she gets the nuts.
That TT fold is horrible, because Vassesa could have Ace Queen high, or crap there to bluff the river.
preflop
hand
decent
She
shove |
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n****u
发帖数: 498 | 17 自从上次赌场ALLIN之后，心灰意冷,心想去OL POKER碰碰运气，一看结果发现好多网站
都上不去了，幸好Carbon还可以，麻利地存了点钱进去之后，就开始玩0.25/0.5的，玩
了几把发现怎么老输啊，后来观察了一下，好多人都在Preflop和flop就bet到1/2块，
吓走了好多人（包括我），我说过我是超级紧手的啦，结果不能眼睁睁看BB被人吃掉啊
，也开始大量Semi bluff，结果效果也很好，虽然也就是把BB和preflop call的钱赢回
来，但是没输就不错嘛。一个下午收入还行，比我在赌场玩3/6 limit 和1/3NL的效果
还要好，可以长期发展一下哈哈。。
贴一副我觉得很狗屎的牌。
Me SB 0.25 7 T
XX BB 0.50 8 6
FLOP T 7 9
Me Bet 0.5
XX Raise 2.0
Me All in(这里我说明一下，我是看见自己有2对，然后真没想玩这副牌了，想ALL in
吓走他算了。没想到）
XX Call
Turn: J
River:7
我以后再也不敢随便ALL in了，太惊险了，，哈哈哈。。 |
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n***a
发帖数: 274 | 18 算不上最好的bluff，但还是很刺激，上周末的home game， 1/2
EP, raise to $7，CO call, button call，
hero SM 35o
$7 在这个桌上是个比较小的raise,后面两个limp应该也只是中/小对或SC之类的牌，所
以我想squeeze一把看能不能直接把pot拿下
hero raise to $33； EP tanked, folded；CO tanked, called；button folded
EP 是个半新手，虽然是个solid player，但是经验欠缺的他在call的时候自言自语道
：“一定是个大对。”
flop：4JQ rainbow，
hero check，CO bet $45, hero call;
turn: K, check, check
river: 2, hero bet $65, CO instant fold
后来知道EP folded QK, Btn folded AT! So lucky got the right player to stay! |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 19 I will start with mine:
No cap 2-5 NL, live game at a Vegas casino.
It was like 6am in the morning, the table was quite active and super
deep. Brian Rast, the guy who won two bracelets this year, came from a broke
high stake game, sitting down with at least 50k. There was another very
loose guy sitting down with over 10K. With such deep stack, everybody played
quite loose preflop .
I limped in 10$(straddle) with 44, a standard play for deep stack cash
game, another ppl cal... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 20 if I had a set and choose to check/raise on the turn, it just looks
ridiculously strong and take all my bluff range away.
this
impossible |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 21 俺来贴个自己还比较满意的bluff吧。
Stack 350$ with A5o OTB. Have been playing 2 hours on the table. Image: Not
too tight but aggressive.9 players on the table.
UTG +1 (good TAG, poker coach) raises to 15$, MP, HJ, SB and I call. 5
players to see the flop.
FLOP A 2 4rb with one spade.
SB check, OR bet 20, all call.
Turn is a Q of spade.
I am ready to fold if OR bets turn, which I am 100% he is going to. I put
him on AK. However, SB now leads out for a 25$ bet. She is a 30ish white
female. Loose passive. Chase a... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 22 Well played. Turning a made hand into a bluff against 3 players is
fantastic.Similiar to Durrrr's play,haha.
What is reasoning of calling A5o preflop? just coz you have button? I
barely play these Ace rag hand even when playing heads up when OOP. What
were you trying to rep there when raising on the turn? AQ? or slowing play a set
on the flop?
Not |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 23 老大，您老百忙之中， 给俺们编辑个合集把。 也非常希望有更多人谈谈自己的bluff
和思路。
Not |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 24 nice bluff.
But I do not think 100+ to win 300 pot is too steep a price to pay for the
last guy. and you are lucky no donks/calling stations there.
Not |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 好久前的帖了。 我还在这原帖的楼上盖过砖呐。呵呵。
我常在casino干过的bluff种类：1. Raise flop donk/probe bet。donk bet一般是
weakness的标志。2. float flop be........
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 26 From my live game experience, I think that it is critically important to
study your opponent first in order to make these bluff +EV.
Say donk bet. A lot of good players like to donk with very strong range,
like set or flopped str/flush in order to get action/build pot. Actually ,
it is mentioned in Super system. If you keep raising donk bet from that
kind of players, it would be a huge mistake.
Also, 3 barrel, you barely wanna do it against Mr. Never gonna to fold
who had very hard t... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 28 如果他在turn 上就想好了pair 的board 就bluff, flush board 就value, 那他还是打
得很不错的, 这里phil galfond 如果flop 是top 2 或 set 基本就reraise all in 了
, 所以这个J 让他成full house 的可能性不是很大, 而他flop raise, turn bet/
call 更想是flop 2 pair 或set, river 了full house. 当然这富豪也可能是瞎猫碰
死耗子, 只是在乱抡而已.. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 29 based the way Bill had been played the hand, he can clearly rep a set and
made a huge bet on the river like trying getting value from a full house.
The bluff made sense. |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 30 某天玩20/40 limit，我是chip leader with a "crazy" image. Raised with Qd10d
on button, 3 callers, fourth guy made it a 3-bet, 2 more callers, I capped
it and now everybody called. Flop Kc2c3h. Someone bet and I raised and 2
folders. Turn 5s. Everyone checked to me and I bet. 2 more folders. River
4s. I instantly bet another 8 chips. Both players tanked a bit and mucked
their hands. I showed off my Q10. The last two guys claimed to have KQ and
1010s and said they were sure I made a straight on the riv... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 if he bets 1/2 or 2/3 pot, he is slightly less likely to bluff but also give
me better odds. So it is hard to know which one is tougher to call
regardles of the bet size.
What we need to realize is that sometimes our bottom pair is just as good as
our top pair or better when our opponents is polarized especially on a
drawy board.
Just like my post the other day
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TexasHoldem/31242965.html
其实那手牌对那个对手，我的5 4，就和10 3 trip 3 一样强。 如果我们因为一个是
triple 10, 一个是bottom pair, 牌力不同... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 32 打得稳点也挺好的. bluff也不是一定好的,这个主要看对方.
semi |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 33 那这个river bet简直乱搞啊，size这么小，怎么都value不到啊，只能induce bluff. |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 34 刚才中午回家吃饭的时候顺便玩了一小会,贴一手比较有意思的bluff成功的例子.
200NL 6max
BB: ~$400, a good aggressive player who is aware that I am very loose. I
have seen him 3bet or squeeze a few times. Not crazily often. But often
enough that I believe he must have bluffed some of them.
MP: $200, a player new to the table
BTN: Hero, ~$500 with JsTc
Preflop
MP open to $5
Hero call $5
BB raise to $20
MP fold
Hero call $20
Flop: As3d4d
BB cbet $25
Hero call $25
Turn: 6d
BB bet $72
Hero call $72
River: 9c
BB check
Hero bet $170
BB t... 阅读全帖 |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 35 good play. I'm wondering how often your oop bluff got caught? |
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A*******e
发帖数: 4024 | 36 If I am the villain, I will just call your check raise and see what happens
next. I won't four bet you because
1. I am trying to control the pot.
2. I call to tell you I have something, maybe strong enough to trap you,
maybe not.
3. Out-of-position bluff is always tough, you don't know whether villain's
check is being scared or just check to control the pot. 50/50 chance. |
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n***a
发帖数: 274 | 37 This was a good read and obviously winning play. My question was on the
raising sizes.
With position, I'd probably call with all pp, any A and back door straight
draw. If I were the villain, who was up for a 3-bet bluff, the size would
have been significantly bigger though. |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 38 In both cases, I have to bluff him off. With what I have, I can't go to
showdown.
If I take your line, I probably have to risk more to win the same and give
him two free cards |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 39 这牌S兄打的很好，稍可以改进的是4-BET SIZE可以大一点。本来4-BET基本就拿下的
POT，现在你BET这么小，碰到有些不错的对手，会FLOAT一下再看情况。我应该会BET到
66到74之间吧。一般4-BET BLUFF就不能给对手可以FLOATING的空间了，只给他SHOVE
OR FOLD的选择。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 41 200NL 6max
BTN: ~ $200 calling station
BB: Hero ~$200 AhQs
Preflop
BTN opens to $6
Hero 3bet to $19
BTN calls
Flop 7h3s2d
Hero cbet $22.5
BTN calls
So, the calling station most likely has a medium pocket pair.
Turn 6s
Hero decided not to bluff a calling station further.
Hero check
BTN check
River Kc
Hero was going to give up, but the river K looks so attractive. Hero changed
the mind, and bet $65
BTN think think think and call with 99 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 42 if you have the better hand, is it still a bluff? |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 43 对，但你有可能是把WEAK HAND TURNS BLUFF,J或者手上一中对之类的。主要因为你最
后RAISE不大，还是可能会看一下。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 44 可能600NL更tricky吧，200NL我很少见人这么bluff的。 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 45 其实我flop就call的很犹豫，因为我和这对手有一定的历史，他的bet size很像AA，QQ
的可能性就比AA小多了。但实在放不掉。后来turn给了我bluff的机会，我就走上不归
路了。。
回想起来，他红心A也call的如此犹豫，如果没有红心，真的很可能就fold了。
假如我turn bet pot 1/3, 400到500，然后river shove 1000-1100, 他river fold的
可能性是不是更大一点？ |
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c*******y
发帖数: 1630 | 46 最近打牌经常遇到flop拿到top pair，raise后被原先check的reraise，往往最后是两
对，set。
这样的打法在online game常见吗？怎么阅读是不是bluff呢？ |
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m********e
发帖数: 4371 | 47 pine bluff有点亚洲人，不过不太清楚那边的超市。你可以google一下。如果没有的话
，就到little rock来买。反正车程不远的。 |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 48 Were they blinds or limped in first then called your preflop raise?
I probably would fold no matter what the answer is, though. If you bluff,
you need to re-raise to about $300. Is it like all-in?
Really don't like the chance.
folded. |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 49 I would fold. His hand could be anything since he only needed $10 to call a
$50 pot. What if he had 82 or X2? His 2X raise sounds an inviting raise. He
may bluff, but I would fold anyway. This is true especially when your image
is tight and a good player. |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 50 I folded.
But when I rethink about this, I got a different idea.
since such a dry flop , no draw .
he checked raise me on the flop, obviously he didn't have 2( he will just
call hope I hit my over card( he know I may bluff))and charge me more.( this
put him on a good player, but not that good to use reverse phycology)
and since he called10$ bf flop, he probably has pocket pair and no reraie bf
flop meaning his pair is not high.
I should just reraise to another 100$ more he probably will lay down |
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