m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 1 Play the player not the card.
This hand if I decide to bluff, whatever I have I will do the same thing.
And I really have two overcard though. if you have confidence about your
reading on your oponent you should follow your guts. |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 2 This I agree. It's not that important what you hold in the bluff situation.
It's what your opponent holds and what he thinks you may hold. |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 3 This hand remind me one hand in highstake poker.( NL blind 300/600)
John Juvanda raised 2000$ Qj suited on the bottun, one other pro( called A)
called his K 9 offsuit.
flop K x x , very dry no draw at all.
Player A checked to John , he bet 5000, player A check raised to 10000$,
John think about for a while and reraise another 20000$, Player A called ,
turn is K , Player A all in John fold.
In this case John bluff first and got checked raised but he smelled player'
A weakness ( if A really have |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 4 two hands I met in one night.
1. K4 suited
flop KJ3 , nobody bet
turn 10, I bet 15 , only button called 15$
river 4, i bet 20, he raised to 100$, up to me
2. K10
flop Q109 nobody bet
turn is 3 I bet 15$ , button called, small blind, big blind both called.
river is A , big blind, small blind checked to me , I checked
button bet 80$,everyone fold, up to me
are they both bluffing,or one of them bluff, or both are value bet?( both
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 5
for the first one, you said fold because of bad position, in fact I called
and the only reason is because I have bad position, I am thinking he is
using his position to bluff me.when you called one hand, you don't need to
worry about position, because you are not going to reraise anyway. |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 6 for the 2 hand,
if he flop a straight, when I bet 15$ on the turn, he probably will reraise
a little bit, because any J or K came, he may chop chop with me or other
guys.
his suddent bet 80$ on the river seems a bluff . |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 7 1. hand , he showed JQ , I won
2. hand , I called, he showed the nut straight! JK)( he flopped it)
There is one thing I forgot when I call the 2nd hand, because he facing 3
people , if he still bluff, that will be very risky.
For the 1 hand since he never show his power when there is a straight
possilbe, I put him on a draw, so I called without any hesitate on the
river. |
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g****n
发帖数: 8 | 8 Wow...
这首牌基本上只有bluff才可能赢了，
但是pot已经超过200了， 有点难度。
我觉得放弃比较好。。。
如果对方是top pair， 都跟了你那么多钱了， 最后100应该吓不走。
如果对方是个draw， 最后也出了同花， 这种情况下多半不会是顺子的draw。
对方在turn上instantly called， 给人感觉比较像是flush draw， A high的。
不过这一点要看个人习惯了。
最后时刻， 他check， 要么是flush想逮你， 因为你一直在bet。。。
要么是一个pair， 没有十分的把握， 但你bet他还是会call的那种心态。
当然， 你每次raise的数额都很juicy， 可以装成 set 或者 overpair，
如果他只是一对， 可能会考虑是否fold。
hold'em 的魅力就在于， 一切皆有可能。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 cash game, he couldn't afford all-in bluff, hehe.
he didn't want to check again or bet small, so $77 looked all right.
only guess.... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 he put melonli on no K for sure ($77 bluff or not).
besides, i notice one thing, many ppl tend to make a short break on the turn
(pre-flop/flop actions may be too strong and on pulse), ... before more
stronger/final actions on river.
45 on turn
on
had |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 11 he may bluff too.
any way, I never called these kind of bet by only 1 pair.
I folded, he show his blufff 4 7 offsuited. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 12 On river the pot is too big to give up.
Actually it doesn't matter whether he was bluffing or not.This time he may
bluff, next time he may not. You just can't judge which one is or not.
You need to find a good strategy to deal with this kind of situation.
Like bet very big on flop or turn as long as you think him
wating a draw.Then if he hit, you lose big, if he doesn't, he lose big. But
odds is on your side.
If you bet small first, then it could become when he doesn 't hit, you win
small, when |
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p*t
发帖数: 275 | 13 看来大家都定性了？其实有时候很tricky，说起来三次赢一次就可以，但往往输得比赢
得多，输一次赢十次都不一定补得回来。我总觉得这里面能否read对手影响很大，如果
对方吃准你这种3to1的心理，他的bluff往往会比较小，真货反而push到all in。
bet? |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 14 i think it's a perfect situation to semi-bluff;
of course i'll need some postflop read on the guy to be sure;
you
personally |
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h****h
发帖数: 1168 | 15 yes, i will bluff a tighter player,
than a loose one.
push, |
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z*****g
发帖数: 85 | 16 I read the article about bluff in limited hold'em by Jim Brier in current
issue of CardPlayer. I actually had same opinion on one scenario. I start it
with my own experience.
It was a loose medium-aggressive 40/80 hold'em game last year. Player A (a
loose passive guy) limps UTG. Player B (a loose, aggressive Indian guy)
limps UTG+1, I raised in the middle position with ATo, BB calls. Flop came
with 78J with 2 clubs, BB checks, UTG bet, UTG+1 calls, I calls, BB fold.
Turn is an A (not the club), |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 17 well, against tough players, you may often meet such kind of situations.
The preflop call and flop call don't mean much cause they are small
bets comparing with your deep stack, the turn raise often means much
but still can be based on a bluff sometimes, they just mix it up
and make it very awkward for you that no matter you fold or not, you
lose.
th
slowplays
flop |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 18 So the bluff was representing an A? nice. He probably had a K or pocket pair
(such as 8s, 10s). |
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h***i
发帖数: 122 | 19 这个游戏没有意思。刚发现很多人在bluff。偶们又太穷，无力对抗。好不容易下决心
上一次，该死的系统又去reward bluffer。这难道不是欺善扬恶么？没意思。 |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 20 I assume he got a good pair ,that is why i semil bluf on the river, since I
think if I check behind, I lost for sure, not thinking he can check raise
pure bluff on the river by 5 high!! |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 21 会被你亮牌误导的基本上要比你低两个档次。
水平接近的对手基本上不会上对手亮牌的当。反而会从对手亮牌中摸到对手的规律。
对同一水平的对手来说，你亮牌想要达到的效果基本上达不到。
反而把自己不想暴露的东西暴露了。
就我自己来说，对手bluff以后亮牌，我根本就不会认为对手下次还会bluff。反而更加
提防他此后改变打法。但是我会有好牌时故意slowplay，给他留bluff的机会。他的亮
牌，也会给我提供他喜欢在什么情况下什么位置下多大注bluff，和bluff频率的线索。
总之他一亮牌我就会意识到他想要的效果，而自动去discount那种影响。他亮牌后透露
的他打牌的风格信息对我的帮助，肯定远远超过我受他亮牌影响会打错牌的机率。（比
如一个bluff后亮牌的对手，我会把他从不知道是否会bluff，归入到会bluff的一类对
手中，但不会把他归入经常会bluff那一类.这个就是正确discount）
特别是在live poker中，经常会遇到很长时间拿不到好牌。这时主要靠bluff投机。结
果亮牌以后就不敢bluff，把自己的重要手段废了。
比如lz这个case，后期缩手缩脚，会不会和前期... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 22 那天看了这帖没回，不过一直在想这里check turn后river bet bluff 到底好不好，
我觉得看人,看history， 如果对手玩得很差，基本读牌都不懂，我觉得可行。 对手稍
微会打点和读牌，我觉得不好，对手这里有个pair 都会叫的可能挺大的。这里有
position check turn 后，其实是把自己所有强牌的range 都check 没了。 我还是倾
向于bet turn, bluff most river. 对手这个turn 上在flop close action 的清况下
check, 也把自己的强牌都check 光了， 相反，我们在有位置的情况下， 因为筹码太
深，几乎所有强牌都可以在flop 上flat, 然后reraise/push turn。 所以在这种清况
下我们是可以bluff turn and river的, 如果都是blank。
这周末打牌抓了几个bluff, 我觉得对手在选择bluff 的spot 很不好。 特别是一些打
得还可以的对手, 可能平时和weak tight不会读牌的人打多了，乱bluff.
有一手牌，
我在sb comple... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 23 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
player (Hope is the best thing) 于 (Mon Nov 21 15:26:29 2011, 美东) 提到:
5/10 NL. Very loose game and lots of action. A few guys sat down with 10+
K.
I played a super nitty game with shortstack(starting with 1k) at the table
and tried to not getting involved with many pots.
Then this hand came out: I was at SB with 1.8k, there were two limpers,
including button with very big stack. I looked my hand and I got KK. So I
made 100$ to go out of SB, B... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 24 BTN was not bluffing.
I think he got something like a set and see the board as dangerous, so raise
big to push people out.
In live poker people bluff much less because there are more donks, also
bluff usually involve in small pot since players involved in big pot usually
have strong hands.
As I myself did a lot bluffs, I may bluff if only hero is in pot, but would
not dare to bluff 4 players.
Also I would bluff on turn rather than flop.( On turn you get better
information about the strength of o... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 25 3.我同意中国人最喜欢的说法，“聂卫平走一步臭棋我还不能说了？”。真的，我誓死
捍卫你说话的权利。不过如果常昊说聂卫平走了步臭棋，那我回去研究下到底谁有道理
。业余十段如我么，我觉得聂卫平每一步棋都是乱走，快点四个子一围吃了不就得了。
不过心底里，我知道，那是由于我不懂。套在这里的话，参见1.我最喜欢的是，你觉得
聂卫平走臭棋，be a man，拿的冠军比他多了，然后告诉他。
这个就是典型的理解力不够。
我说的是如果聂卫平走出大漏勺。就是说假设聂卫平走出大漏勺是个事实。假设它是经
过专业棋手界定和他本人承认的事实。
这xsiner 的回复体现他理解力和逻辑都在正常水平之下。
4. 我不是pro，只是喜欢打牌，业余玩了很多年，也认识了不少朋友，所以对他们有些
了解。视频里有个我认识的是每天至少ps同时6桌的小职业牌手。所以我说这里很多读
死书的根本不理解人家那么多手牌的积累，一不是指我，二不是指纯线下。线上手数多
主要是由于多桌，不单纯是发牌循环快，业余选手开一桌的就不要谈了。
你凭什么认定这里的人是读死书的？凭什么认定这里没有同时6桌的牌手？
5. 还在纠结2.5bb raise的，去... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 26 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:42:07 2010, 美东) 提到:
昨天实在按捺不住POKER瘾，尽管老公极力阻止，还是开车一个小时跑到local casino
去玩了一下。 言归正转，1－3 no limit hold'em. buy in 100 刀。 玩得比较tight
。三小时后STACK到了四百多一点。 然后是下面这手牌：
我在BB WITH JJ. UTG RAISE TO 6$, UTG +1 CALLS, 我也记不得很清楚，大概有7个人
CALL 了。 一看这么多LIMP IN， 马上RAISE TO 49$，UTG +1 问了一下多少然后马上
CALL了，UTG+2想都没想就CALL了，当时心里觉得不妙，谁知MP+1 和MP+2 也在数CHIPS
准备CALL，实在不想这么多人CALL 我的POKET JACKS， 在MP+1准备推出CHIPS之前马
上大声说：MY GOD! I THINK I NEED TO PUSH ALL IN ON TH... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 27 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
TheBigSlick (Ivan) 于 (Mon Nov 21 14:00:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
I don't have many interesting hands to share these days. I am playing boring
poker with either small gains and small loss.
But there was one hand I played serveral weeks ago that I think may be worth
discussion.
I was playing NL2/5 table, villain was a young asian in mid 20s. He sits
down with maybe $300 chips, run up to $500ish when this hand happend. I was
sitting maybe $600 chips and had him c... 阅读全帖 |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 28 Yeah I agree with this. Most of my friends believe LHE is deeper
strategically than NL at the higher levels. Because of the fixed-bet format
a lot of setups is more delicate and requires adaptation to game flow /
dynamic elements. You're also forced to make plays more at the big-bet
streets, and LHE has more multi-street aggression change. As long as you
are in a high enough stakes or serious enough game, these elements will be
the key difference between winning or losing.
Also a lot of peo... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 29 首先说说养鱼塘和WPN的不同。
养鱼塘的牌手水平和风格都比较杂。养鱼塘的regular水平和WPN的regular差别不大，
但是风格差的很大。
养鱼塘的是野战的路子。什么牌都敢打。喜欢打一些air，边缘牌。
WPN的风格比较单调，都是打premium hands。bluff的比例比养鱼塘小很多。就是有好
牌像只狼，没好牌像只羊。WPN对偷盲注容忍性很高。如果手里没好牌，基本上对偷盲
都是不抵抗。而养鱼塘如果你偷得多一点，就会有人拿air 3bet你。
在WPN如果前面有preflop raise的，你在后面跟，然后他flop cbet，turn check，你
一bet他就fold。没什么变化。所以在WPN更容易偷小钱。但是赢大钱比较难。对手只要
跟你干上，多数牌力都很强。所以在WPN只要对手示强，就不要去bluff，敌强我避，敌
弱我欺。WPN牌手的弱点是不喜欢打边缘牌，不喜欢冒风险。这样他们的牌力容易被对
手看出来。我在1c/2c打了很多天，一度曾经觉得毫无优势，打不过他们。他们似乎什
么牌都处理的很完美，我无法比他们更好。然后突然领悟，轻松打爆对手，很快跨到0.
25/0.5。... 阅读全帖 |
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 30 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 31 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 32 the best way against a bluff is not call, but raise, if you read a bet
as a bluff, you should raise and it's often very hard for the bluffer
to call, even the most loose player in this galaxy.
Actually there are some situations that you should try a check-raise
bluff instead of a direct bluff.
Suppose your opp is very loose and likes bluffing. If you bet 3/4 pot
as a bluff,
you may get called 1/2 of times from his bluff catching hands. However, if
you
check, induce a bluff of 75% times, known fr |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 33 我觉得你在turn上打的不连贯,虽然结果你的hero call对了.
Bet out to stop bluff没问题.但是如果对方raise了. 你就应该认栽fold. 即使对方
有可能bluff, 你也应该尊重他在ACE牌面上敢于raise的勇气. 何况他完全可能有ACE.
如果对手是个疯狂的bluffer你实在不原意给他credit.那你就应该check call. 这样对
方有ACE的时候你比bet out少输. 对方没ACE的时候,你能induce bluff.
换个例子说,比如你river out of position with a straight. board上三张草花. 你
既不想丢value也不想被bluff.那么你可以check call to induce bluff, or bet out
to stop a bluff. 两种打法都没问题.但是做出选择以后就应该坚持到底. check了就
一定要call,哪怕对方给了一个huge overbet. Bet out被raise了就一定要fold. 不能
到时候脑子一热就又开始觉得对方怎么看怎么象bluff. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 34 saw some players talking about such river c/r during HU game, and most of
the time it is a bluff because the range is so narrow - near nuts or air.
for this hand i guess fcf would call you if he had a pair. but he had
nothing (not even K high) and had to fold his bluff to your bluff (he must
think you were bluffing most of time here).
but u could c/r with a river hit pair of 9's too. some people might continue
betting if they hit the 9, and hope to get called by a smaller pair. or you
could chec... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 35 "i personally don't like the turn bet though. pot control is better."
___又 pot control？上次你自己还说你老是喜欢pot control，control个头之类的，
现在又来了? 呵呵。。其实我BET我的TP那么STRONG很多时候也是根据那个BOARD来的，
不好的BOARD，我有时TP都是FLOP上CHECK-FOLD的。很多人估计不喜欢和我玩，老是BET
，别人又想DRAW，每次到了RIVER CHECK DOWN看牌的时候都想着我有SET或是TWO PAIR
之类的，谁知每次亮出来都是TP或SECOND PAIR之类的，那时我每次看到他们气愤的表
情我就有点想笑。其实现在想想这也是为什么这个人会BLUFF我的原因。因为前面有一
盘牌我就是这样，拿着J 9在 9c 5c 2d 6h 5s这个BOARD上FLOP（21$） 和TURN(45$)上
猛BET，他又要DRAW他的FLUSH，只能CALL了，到了RIVER 他MISS掉了我CHECK他也不敢
BET，因为看我BET这么猛以为我有很好的牌，... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 36 咋回事？天哪！看半天终于发现咋回事了。fryking,您就放过我的ID吧。不过，也怪我
，怎么搞了个这么多漏洞的ID。不过我昨晚还真是赢了1350左右，但在那之前的一个
SESSION又输了950，那个晚上完全在ON TILT，又累又急躁，自己当时也知道自己完全
在乱来，还有600多的时候我就知道我会输光走人的，那个晚上应该是我ON-TILT最严重
的一个晚上。回来的路上还被警察抓了超速，开了罚单，回来后悔的都想QUIT POKER了
。后来想想也活该，谁叫我自己这样没纪律性，没点节制，拿自己拼老命赢的钱不当钱
，乱DONATE，是得输多点给个教训。其实我那晚一直都有赢300多的，但就是不走，明
显都累得不行了，还死赖着玩，最后输了3个BUY-IN，多出的50又是在等位置的时候玩
老虎机给输的，真是丢人。
那晚回来后，我认真总结了一下自己最近的表现，发现这段时间每次都是以输700，800
开始，而且都是短时间内输那么多，是很有原因的。虽然前面几次都最后以赢结尾，但
还是发现自己打法上出现很大变化，不知不觉又变回以前那种SUPER LOOSE的打法，什
么破牌烂牌都玩，什么都CHASE，... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 37 a lot of the things can be said about bluff and bluff catch. But there is
not much in LHE that is out of scope of NLH. It is simply an ev calculation
among the 3 important elements--
1) your equity in the pot based on your hand and your read for opponents
range,
2) size of the bet
3) the bluff frequency from your opponents.
Input these 3 variables, and you can get your most optimal move about bluff and bluff catch.
When it gets to high level, the bluff frequency of good players can be
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 ～～非常同意，要看对手风格，哥的这条鱼是典型的fight back型，输钱没事，输人不
行，哎，呵呵
--那也是flop shove, 他要加个K high Q high 在他的range 里，再加些小pair.
～～哥主要是平衡大牌时候的flop cbet size。river的tank/fold是不想让人知道哥用
很light的牌preflop limp/3bet。哥觉得，保持weak image也不算太差吧（lol），它
让你的strong move更convincing，当然，真拿到大牌了，还得想其他法子把人圈进来
（实际情况是拿到大牌的case少，烂牌、medium strength的case多得多啊，当然对上
鱼就没差了）。另一方面，大多数情况下，哥也是希望对手river bluff OOP的。
--完全不同意。value >>> bluff/catch bluff. 在1/2上更重要。 要是我snap fold,
show 个6。 我觉得你这是本末倒置了。 要在扑克上赢钱最重要的不是bluff/catch
bluff， 而是value, value, value ... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 39 前面有一手牌例大同小异：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TexasHoldem/31243839.html
这种情况的特点是对手reraise后所代表的牌力至少是两对以上。所以不是真有超强牌
就是bluff，或semibluff。（semibluff通常是在flop，turn上比较少）。到river对手
大注bet不是bluff就是有超强牌。而bluff的可能性很小。
所以lz在turn上call就意味着他是想抓bluff（semibluff）。live poker中大多数这种
reraise是真有牌。敢bluff的很少，即使是semibluff，从turn上这么打也是比较极端
的打法。所以个人以为遇到这种reraise最好是fold。我觉得最后对手是什么牌并不重
要。即使你这次抓住他bluff，你这么打法长期肯定是-EV的。除非你有其他原因判断这
个对手的bluff的概率很高。比如他前一段老是用这种方法偷鸡。
最好是turn上check。如果对手比较weak，turn上bet也可以。但是遇到reraise就应当
坚决fold。
总之你拿顶对小kick... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 40 通常bluff是用大钱赢小钱，就是说，bluff的成功率要达到70%以上才合算。
但是你这个thin value fold完全改变了bluff的风险和收益比率。以lz这个例子，对付
fold to miniraise的对手，我用miniraise bluff只要5次成功一次就合算。所以我碰
到你，我就会频繁用miniraise来bluff你，换句话说，由于你thin value fold降低了
别人对你bluff的代价，你会成为别人bluff的target。这就是你的leak。如果我和你同
台，发现你会fold to miniraise，我肯定会试图去exploit你这个leak。而且我不会对
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 41 我们做任何move的时候都要清楚自己为何这么做，想达到什么目的，而不是凭感觉。
当我们bet或者raise的时候，只有两个目的：for bluff, or for value。
我们来看看具体的逻辑：
如果3 bet for bluff,第一个问题：tpwk有没有必要变成bluff来打？如果是for bluff
,那肯定是想让TPGK fold，因为set和两对不可能fold。但对手如果flop call,你turn
是放弃了，还是继续bluff? 如果放弃bluff,是check call, 还是check fold？如果是
check call,那就意味着你认为对手的牌力不及tpwk，那和最初3 bet for bluff 的初
衷就矛盾了。
如果3 bet for value。第一个问题是：有什么比你差的牌会call？答案只有一个flush
draw （这里都假设对手是理性的，不是calling station之类的fish)。对手flop
call了之后，turn是不是继续大bet? 如果river 还是blank,check给对手，对手大bet,
你是不是call? 如果fo... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 42 Phil Galfond 他们讨论的背景中对手最可能的是有超过 top pair的牌力。
所以raise有bluff走对方的意思。
而lz提供的这个录像中最经常发生的是大家都没牌乱bluff一气。
所以只要catch 对方的bluff就行了。
所以在这个river call就够了。raise不过是增加自己一旦判断失误的代价。
你这么想，如果对方是纯bluff，你call就赢下pot。
如果对方牌力比你强，你raise那么一点对方会fold吗？在这种大家都频频bluff，同时
又怀疑别人bluff的背景下，对手有超过A8 top pair的牌力，根本不会fold。
拿A8这个人这么打就是因为相信对方是在bluff。
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 43 the best way against a bluff is not call, but raise, if you read a bet
as a bluff, you should raise and it's often very hard for the bluffer
to call, even the most loose player in this galaxy.
Actually there are some situations that you should try a check-raise
bluff instead of a direct bluff.
Suppose your opp is very loose and likes bluffing. If you bet 3/4 pot
as a bluff,
you may get called 1/2 of times from his bluff catching hands. However, if
you
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A****h
发帖数: 385 | 44 时间：本周六下午1点
地点：Eno River State Park, Laurel Bluffs Trail
散步时间：约2小时（5迈）
交通：从85走Cole Mill Road north到Rivermont Road，右转，没多久变土路。在第一
个小山底部过桥停车，从路左边上路。
介绍：Laurel Bluffs is a 5-mile out-and-back trail that follows the Eno from
the park’s Pump Station Access downstream to Guess Road. Judging from its
name, you might think its distinguishing characteristic is its mountain
laurel–covered bluffs. And they are hard to deny.
Laurel Bluffs blazed with yellow dots
This trail starts at an intersection with the P... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 45 If by read you can easily decide the bet is a bluff, then this is a bad
bluff and it matters little whether you call or reraise, anyway he won't get
you.The tough thing is that bluffs are mixed with bets with good hands, and
usually you won't be able to pick out which one is real bluff and which is
not.So when you reraise you could run into a monster and you lose more than
your win when you catch real bluffs.What I mean a good way to fight bluff,
I don't assume you can outsmart your opponent o |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 46 Of course it can be a bluff.
Because it doesn't look like a bluff,and it makes no sense to bluff, that is
the reason to bluff.
Albeit the probability of a bluff is small.
He could also have Qx(including AQ).
He could even make a misplay, or simply wrong click.
You just can't fold.
The opponent's style could help a lot in deciding his hand.
chance of Qx,AA,AK: 30%
chance of bluff: 7%
chance of misplay,wrong click and other possibilities: 5%
chance of either A or Q on river: 9%
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 47 扑克之所以迷人，除了好牌被bad beat和烂牌意外后来居上，bluff欺诈无疑也是很大
的一个亮点，运用好了，能够大大的增加自己的平均赢率。很多职业牌手都是这方面的
专家，更有人声称作为一个成功的牌手，你至少应该有1/3左右的牌是处在bluff或者
semi-bluff之中的。
和计算概率odds的数学理论相比，bluff则更上一个心理的层次，它基于你对对手风格
的了解，手中牌的阅读(read)，心态(short stack, bubble factor...)等等“敌情”
，也基于你自己的位置(position)，“人品”(RP，table image)，贫富程度(stack)等
等自身情况。知己知彼相结合，才有可能取得成功。
就本质而言，bluff就是你在给对手讲一个动人的故事，故事可信度和你自己的描述方
式直接相关，和对手风格，状态间接相关。
人常爱用fire 1st, 2nd, 3rd barrels or bullets来描述在flop, turn, river上出拳
攻击对手。其实，对于bluff，俺个人的谬论是如同左轮手枪，你总共有6发子弹。
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 48 are you talking about the first hand?
It really depends on your read. when you can narrow villian's range to a
point where you are ahead most of them, of course push as hard as you can to
get a call. This is where you magnify your edge when you are ahead. When
the edge becomes small between players, whoever pushes most thin value is
going to win out in the end. "Small pot when behind"+"bigger pot when ahead"
=profit.
For this particular hand, I only called pot size bet on the flop because I
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 49 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 终于回来了 唉，昨天最后一天战绩很差，不但没赢钱，还输了快两百了。玩了两个TOURNAMENT，第
一个玩得还行，但是整个桌上刚好全是疯子，BLIND 100－200，RAISE 2000，57o 这种
牌都照CALL，而且个个都很LAG，害我的AGRESSION都没办法发挥作用，因为他们都是死
都要CALL和要CHASE的那种。有一次我RAISE800，6个人CALL我，我实在忍不住问道：“
你们到底是在打CASH GAME 还是TOURNAMENT？没见过这么LOOSE的TABLE.”后来我只能
调整战术等好牌来惩罚这些FISH了。终于等到AA。我EP。AVERAGE STACK SIZE. BLIND
100-200.UTG SUPER LAG RAISED TO 600, 我RERAISE到2000，坐我下面的老黑(the
most loose tournament player I've ever seen) CALL了，其他人FOLD了。FLOP 6 9
9 RB， UTG 马上BET 4500，我知道这种FLOP我是WAY AHEAD，然后也知道老黑是有什么
都会CALL的，而且他刚... 阅读全帖 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 50 Thanks for all the comments.
Hand 2: I should check on the turn. (1) I had pretty much no equity there (2
) I still have the chance to bluff them away on the river if they both had a
drawing hand. Contiueing bluff mode and don't know when to stop is one of
my big problems.
Hand 4: I am happy with the river raise since I would play over pair the
exact same way. There is no merit to raise the turn with over pair since it
just turned my hand to bluff. And if he picked up additional oddes such as
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