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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 straight flush 他也turn raise all in? hehe... 就要把人吓跑是把? |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 if you could understand, you'll move up again because you'd see the best to
worst plays of the same hand, lol. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 你想说啥?
他想干啥很明显, 但是with his stack size it is never going to work, 他cover
我的stack 还有可能...我的问题是这明显不work的事他为十么要做..
to |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 we need to understand different ways, of course some donkish ones too, to
play a hand, lol. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 6 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 不要忽悠哥 For known donk you have decent/strong read, call is acceptable here.
Otherwise, easy lay down. If people could not lay down this hand without
giving any strong reasons, he/she needs go back below NL25. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 7 MP is short stack and looks like donk to me. SB is unknown.
MP open the pot. I and BB called.
After flop, I check and BB check, MP c bet and I min 3 bet, BB 4 bet a lot
and MP all in.
what do they have?
MP: big pair.
me: mid set
BB? top set? bottom set? str8? 2 pair?, pair and draw?
what do you do here? |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 8 In rush game, most of the time, we fight with LP/BTN steal or we fight with
SB/BB defender. the HU skill is critical here as both sides have marginal
hands. when to call/3bet/4bet/float/CR/donk bet/bluff is critical. I tend to
play more and more in these spots.
the shot term winrate depends the big pot in river showdown, so whether you
win or lose in one day really depends on one hands or 2 hands. However, the
long term winrate comes from the small pot. Don't give up easily, push the
pressure ba |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 9 Donk does not care you raise UTG or not.
One has AQ or something like that and one has 99? |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 10 Kao, last time you criticize my limp squeeze with 47o is donk move. Now you
play 36o, Kao, worst than me... LOL |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 limp 47o ep then squeeze is still a donk move.. i stand correct.. squeeze bb
vs button raise and sb call is not.....
Come on.. you know the difference... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这才是真驴 其实他读牌挺准的.. 他知道你没A.. haha....spot on read, hats off to the donk |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这才是真驴 crying bluff而已，经不起推敲，board太散太烂了，呵呵。
donk |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 9/18，5人参赛！
1st, donk
2nd, akacpt
3rd, yost123
祝贺，不服再来！ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 oh, didn't see the donk's name, and was wondering why pot was soooo small
for such 2 hands. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 16 I was about to 3 bet as I see this donk fold 100% to 3 bet. Then I realize
it's you and don't know what to do and decide to just call. Risk to get
squzze by btn and blind
Btw, what do you do if someone 3 bet you here? |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 17 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - goes 你坏了我的好事，想赶你走，让DONK留下，所以MIN 4 bet |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 18 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - goes Flat here means welcome to the pot, here you 2 have a free card. LOL
Donk could have turned into to some thing and I have to pay him off. Don't
worry about you as you flop nothing compare to my set |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 played a very short session (30 hands) in the morning.
1) AQo at BB, SB makes a typical 3x, nowadays, this becomes soooo "normal",
lol.
i 9x, he tanks for a sec and shoves 70x.
i admit i donk call, and run into a stupid race (or maybe the best possible
situation), he got 88.
board: 79T2A
2) red TT, MP 3x, i flat.
flop: Js5s2d, he c-bets 2/3 pot, well, could be anything, i call.
turn: 9s, he apparently gets concerned or c-bets naked on flop, here he
checks.
i 2/3 pot, he tanks but calls eventuall |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 or you will end up getting it in on flop behind.. lol
this is how donks used to bust me.. now I let them have a taste of their own medicine..
Yeah, i get lucky sometimes too. ~~~~ |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 is not wise.
when the flop bet is called, you are already beat even though you didn't
realize. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 22 kao, you lucky donk...LOL |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 23 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Goes hehe, 最近战绩还可以，打了40K NL00，能保持6BB/100. Feel pretty confident in
Nl100.
my short term goal reached--move to NL100 from Nl50.
sometime, my daily swing is big, could down 4 buy-in and up 3 buy-in in a
single day. Sometimes I play too aggressive like donk especially when I play
back to some LAG guy, I lost big when LAG guy indeed has hand. I need
balance it.
Hope can build more bank roll and go to NL200 by end of this year.
what's your plan? |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 24 运气这个东西真不好说，每次我都觉得领先，后来发现是严重落后 except the last
flush draw hand:
2 days ago, I had following hands, lost 4.5 buy in half a hour.
1. KK set to AA set dry board, all in after flop
2. 99 set to QQ set dry board, all in after flop
3. AA full to 55 quads, all in after flop
4. AK, TPTK to donk, all in after flop
,lost to his baby flush draw.
took me 4 hours to get everthing back and break even... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 Donk limp utg and pay off with 2 pair. can't complain.. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 33 66.. really? flat flop mini raise on a drawy board out of position with a small set? I would
take those out right away. all over pair are impossible too to check raise
with an A on the board except AA. the only thing possible is that he
floated me out of position with AK, but to check raise here is still too
strong for AK. AK may be but unlikely.
I know we always say we can't fold set over set. but my money was on AA
when I shoved. it is really AA, AdKd or donk spaz. If he is check ra |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 27 2 short stack donk-fish. I think you should 3 bet a lot bigger. Make it 3$
to go when you 3 bet. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 28 NL holdem is a very simple game. It is all about range. After he raise utg
and check call flop and check raise turn, AQ is at the bottom of his range.
To think that KQ and JJ will call check raise turn and call all in river is
just wishful thinking. KQ is nothing but a bluff catcher here. When your
range is much stronger than your actual hand and you are over playing it,
you are not getting value from anything but to be called by a better hand.
Plain and simple.
Same thing like I mentioned befo... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 我靠故我输 this board is so straight forward. You can get a lot of value by betting
from a A, a 2 and flush draws, maybe a gut shot. You will not get much from
anything else no matter how you play it. But if he does have one of those
hand, you need to either keep betting for value before scary card comes out
or build the pot to be in position to take his whole stack when he makes his
draws. Neither is by mini-betting, but by betting strong and build up the
pot earlier.
Just because 1 or two donks bluff... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 This is precisely why you should bet strong on the other hand where you had
As full. It is simply because donk will and do bluff regardless of bet
sizing.. lol Make sure they make a more costly mistake to bluff a bigger
pot than smaller one. If they want to bluff, let them bluff their whole stack away instead of bluff into a smallish pot at river. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 几点杂感。
除了高不可攀的如david chiu, johnny chan等人，和网络无法考证的中国玩家，fcf的
确是俺孤漏寡闻知道的一个另类。
不知道别人，俺耗了3年，只能说属于很平庸的，还在1/2NL, 50NL，micro stake
tournament这样的低级别grind，虽然论战绩，一年下来有个一万，还能的确比那75%的
强。看怎么定义聪明和努力了，但俺觉得总体不行。
看了cardplayer上起码有100个高手的经历，俺以前归纳过，3年似乎真是个坎，3年没
咋的的(不管什么原因)，再给3年也白搭。
经济差，扑克也受很大影响，UIGEA打击也很大，熬到现在的玩家，俺不敢说还有多少
真是fish, donk，长期送钱的角色，谁对谁真有多大的edge。
咱可能打了几手牌，觉得某个玩家很鱼，其实很可能只是盲人摸象而已。俺现在给谁
记笔记，都争取客观一些，而且如果一个玩家有一阵不见了，最新的动态俺也争取及
时更新，大家都在进步。PLO只所以被炒作要流行(其实也没咋的)，其实的确是因为
NLHE这些年给人吃得很透。
很多pros自己也承认，一年下来其实主要是靠bonus和rake... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 32 that's the sales package i try to sell to him, but not actually a perfect
one if we take a closer look.
(all in most likely or "normal" cases)
pre-flop: if i have a strong AJ+, i'd not let him 2x and have position over
me postflop.
flop: same thing, strong Ax on a flush draw flop, a check mini-raise is
weird. weak Ax is even more weird (do i want to get a fold or not?) Ax with
2 pair? with his TT, chances are not high at all, and x% times ppl will slow
play this again. AA or 77 set, rarely and s... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 no, i donked on Axx flop, and only got lucky. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 34 Donks never knows how to read from sizing. And river 5 is the worst bluff
card too. I mean literally the worst card after check calling flop and turn. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 35 A hand that i could have folded when I am on my A game. But not the case
obviously on that day.
MP raise 3$, I call on co with 7s. button calls too.
flop is 974 rainbow(pot is 9$)
MP lead 7$, i call button calls. Pot is (30$)
turn is a 10
MP bets 22$ i call 22$, button calls again. (pot is 96$)
I do not like my hand.
river is a 4 MP goes all in 100$ i have him covered.
How good do you think my 7s are? bluff catcher?
I tanked for a long time. The fact button is behind me should make it ver... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 36 EP is behind you for sure. If LP is donk/fish, easy call.
If LP is regs, does LP have AA? very possible...AQ/77 call 9x pre? maybe not
. Fush draw? only royal Fush draw? but still call 9x pre with KJs/KTs is bad
play.
I will still call here given 100BB only and 3 ways all in. you lose to AA
only and the chance he has AA is very high(80%?) but still worth to call.
Pot is 28BB after flop and you bet 18BB on flop. You invest 27BB already,
leave only 63 BB.
Put rest of 63BB to get 300BB pot.--> clos... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 37 sick spot... there might be merit to check flop vs 2 player and 1 short
stack because of the position. as played I think unless MP is a total donk/
fish, he is very strong after he cold call and reshove, but you are already
committed... sad story.. i hope you suck out in the end. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 lol, i did, or we, me and short stack both did.
turn blank, river A.
MP got TT, short stack got KQo too.
i'm just wondering if my isolation play here (action and size) is too bad,
if MP is in a more "normal" case.
donk/
already |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 variance is part of the game, it's a well known fact but when it does happen
to us, always hard to accept.
i was trapped in this hole repeatedly over and over again in the past. i
could admit i was not a good player with leaks, but still, i felt like i was
at least way better than those "donks", or i deserved to win that big pot
which i didn't...
HM is a good teacher, which i used as a reporting tool mostly until recently
. it tells me the "truth" or hard fact of my play in general over large
vo... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 40 I raised $7 pre-flop and got 4 callers including LP/BTN/SB/BB. Pot is $35
pre.
Flop, SB donk out $19, BB fold, I call, LP fold and btn min 3bet to $38, SB
called and I 4 bet to $88, btn called and SB fold.
Turn, I checked, btn raise $37, I called.
River, my dream card, what do you do? why? what does he have? |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 41 no way str8 on flop, if a flopped str8, he would definitely 5 bet because of
worrying of set will redraw to boat and very possible flush draw, and his
call on flop 4 bet is very strong, i would say str8 flush most likely
of course, we assume villian is good, if he is a donk like me, then anything
could happen, maybe 23o? |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 42 RUSH, morning, 7-9AM is best. More EU donks |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 43 it's different, hehe.
if you're at 50NL or 100NL, i think it makes sense sometimes to move up ASAP
even kind of under-rolled (say, 20+ buy-ins), because:
1) it'll be more or less a waste of time if you make small $ in the end;
2) there's still a huge learning curve at these levels, you fix your leaks,
you may suddenly be able to move up a few levels;
3) there're still some donks or easy money here.
but for those nose-bleeding levels, there's no such room or big enough edge. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 44 pre-flop calls out of position.
flop check raises
turn check raises
river donk shoves
可惜，某毛驴实在看不出来你想代表啥子？实在是太easy call了，回去和你儿子再学
学。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 46 俺觉得有几个比bet/fold更大的问题。
UTG 2x with JJ是什么意图？call了以后又是怎么想的？
俺觉得你考虑的AA/QQ/AK了几种组合什么的有点方向不对，最关键的在于你觉得你自己
(或者俺们这样的)，有多少可能会pre-flop 2x, call 10x with Kx这样的牌？然后又
在KKx这样的flop donk bets 2/3 pot? 只要你的对手确信这一点(你很难有K)，他利用
位置，和pre-flop的气势，在这样的flop mini-raise你，对他来说太舒服了。别说你
fold，就是你call了，他很有可能还会在turn上给你出更大难题。
JJ没有位置，前后这么打，俺觉得非常不合算。
Hol |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 47 you are thinking of everything being way too tight, no one ever bluffs here?
In fact, I think all the hands that you mentioned that would fold to your
donk bet probably wouldn't fold, and AK/KK most likely won't raise you.
This min raise on the flop is more likely a hand like TJ than AK/KK imo. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 48 如果桌子比较紧，77，88这么干(也还不要太频繁太明显)还有点意思，算半个blocking
bet。
JJ这么干，不发生这把的情况，也很容易发生后面3，4个callers的情况，SB/BB一看
odds不错，全跑进来，flop咱就等着抓狂吧，翻出什么来咱都很危险，翻高了你没有位
置，人又多，很难打，翻低了你哪知道后面什么33，55的是不是中了set，67s，89o什
么的是不是有了big draws？...你搞大了不安，搞小了后面更难受。
所以非常之不爽，很多人都是最初打得不够狠，最后又pay off人家，拿不起，放不下。
这样的flop， donk bet那么多，俺个人觉得也非常不好，和fcf说的一样，太多牌可以
这么干了，真Kx可能倒不见得马上pop(当然，也有一定比例的mix up)。没有位置太致
命了，你这个fold还只是留个可能被bluff的疑问，你要call了，turn上人家胆子大的
再搞你一把，你搞不好就要commit(何况还确实得考虑有value的AA，QQ等等牌，甚至
semi-bluff的AQ catch turn A/Q，backdoor，PP catches u... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 49 i did it, some donk forgot to do something for one of the pics, haha. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 50 LOL... then donk need thank you for protecting her privacy... |
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