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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 or you will end up getting it in on flop behind.. lol
this is how donks used to bust me.. now I let them have a taste of their own medicine..
Yeah, i get lucky sometimes too. ~~~~ | t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 2 如果他flat KK岂不是会死的很惨...他flop直接shove了你咋办？ | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 so many combo of AK AA 1 combo of KK. never worry about folding at this spot
. Worry about how to get all his chips into the pot. | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 4 I think he plays well here except you chips behind is little short so slow
playing AA here does not get too much potential rewards. But his 5 bet shove
will still push you away, so he has pretty good read here.
own medicine..
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: or you will end up getting it in on flop behind.. lol
: this is how donks used to bust me.. now I let them have a taste of their own medicine..
: Yeah, i get lucky sometimes too. ~~~~
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 nothing about read. With AA you don't need read. just flat 4 bet and get it
in after flop. Fish knows it too..
However with that weak 3 bet preflop, i can't fold either. I had to fire a 4 bet. If he shoves preflop, i am in a bad situation obviously.
shove
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: I think he plays well here except you chips behind is little short so slow
: playing AA here does not get too much potential rewards. But his 5 bet shove
: will still push you away, so he has pretty good read here.
:
: own medicine..
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 6 Not really, if he thinks you have premium hand here, he should shove pre for
sure to get all you chips in before any scare cards show on the flop. If
you have marginal hand, deep stack and donky-ish, slow play...
The only disadvantage he has is the out of position, so given your stake size, no position, you 4 bet, I would rather 5 bet shove not slow playing here,
it
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: nothing about read. With AA you don't need read. just flat 4 bet and get it
: in after flop. Fish knows it too..
: However with that weak 3 bet preflop, i can't fold either. I had to fire a 4 bet. If he shoves preflop, i am in a bad situation obviously.
:
: shove
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 I feel you should do the exactly opposite.. hehe..
premium hand. maximum 2 outs shallow stack, it is ok to flat and get it in
after flop.
deep stack vs wide range, you should 5 bet and make it simple because it is
hard to get a read what the other guy hit and you are out of position..
for
size, no position, you 4 bet, I would rather 5 bet shove not slow playing
here,
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Not really, if he thinks you have premium hand here, he should shove pre for
: sure to get all you chips in before any scare cards show on the flop. If
: you have marginal hand, deep stack and donky-ish, slow play...
: The only disadvantage he has is the out of position, so given your stake size, no position, you 4 bet, I would rather 5 bet shove not slow playing here,
:
: it
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 8 There is a very simple rule to decide whether player plays/reads well or not
. If he knows you have K9s before flop, should he play differently than he
did?
if the answer is yes, he plays wrong.
if the answer is no, he plays well.
Back to AA,
if you have AA and know someone has K9 and 4 bet you, you will 80% slow play.
if you have AA and know someone has KK and 4 bet you, you will 80% shove.
in
is
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I feel you should do the exactly opposite.. hehe..
: premium hand. maximum 2 outs shallow stack, it is ok to flat and get it in
: after flop.
: deep stack vs wide range, you should 5 bet and make it simple because it is
: hard to get a read what the other guy hit and you are out of position..
:
: for
: size, no position, you 4 bet, I would rather 5 bet shove not slow playing
: here,
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 Now i come to think of it. Maybe it is not a good idea to fire a cbet after
a 4 bet bluff...If i always check after flop after I someone flat me 4 bet.
Then it is not good to flat 4 bet with AA anymore. because you just give
away 3 free card with your AA..This is based on the assumption that people
will only flat 4 bet out of position with AA KK QQ most of the time, and
will always get it in after flop with a favorable board.. I need to think
more careful about this... If someone 3 bet range is | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 It is a good flat, can not be result oriented.
own medicine..
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: or you will end up getting it in on flop behind.. lol
: this is how donks used to bust me.. now I let them have a taste of their own medicine..
: Yeah, i get lucky sometimes too. ~~~~
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 it is a good flat. I didn't say it was not a good play even though This flat is trivial with AA..... i got lucky.. i am thinking how I can counter this..
do you think the 4 bet is ok? now the question is how to play after our 4
bet is called if we miss flop...
Since I 4 bet much more frequent now vs steal, I am always wondering how i should play post flop if I got called and i miss flop...
Do you think check flop is reasonable and the best option? or do you feel urged to fire a c bet? What if | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 12 I would rather give up or wait for free card if possible because:
1. I usually only 4 bet back with marginal hand if that guy has very high 3
bet %, which means this guy is reg not fish.
2. By giving such high 3 bet %, he knows he will faces lots of 4 bets and
folds most of them if you dare to 4 bet. (depends on 4 bet fold % of course)
3. if he does not give up the 4 bet, usually he is in a calling mode. don't
waste you c bet, big money in general.
I reviewed all hands that I c bet after 4 bet o
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: it is a good flat. I didn't say it was not a good play even though This flat is trivial with AA..... i got lucky.. i am thinking how I can counter this..
: do you think the 4 bet is ok? now the question is how to play after our 4
: bet is called if we miss flop...
: Since I 4 bet much more frequent now vs steal, I am always wondering how i should play post flop if I got called and i miss flop...
: Do you think check flop is reasonable and the best option? or do you feel urged to fire a c bet? What if
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 Give up or wait for free card... I think this is good. now flatting AA out
of position does not look so good anymore if we choose this approach.
if we always call 5 bet all in with premium hand on button vs blind situation, and always not to put in any more money when it is a bluff. It really seems that 5 bet shove all in is better than flat out of position in this situation... I do think people get in lighter than normal when button and bb is getting into a raising war preflop. More reasons to |
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