g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 1 MP is short stack and looks like donk to me. SB is unknown.
MP open the pot. I and BB called.
After flop, I check and BB check, MP c bet and I min 3 bet, BB 4 bet a lot
and MP all in.
what do they have?
MP: big pair.
me: mid set
BB? top set? bottom set? str8? 2 pair?, pair and draw?
what do you do here? | t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 2 I will fold
lot
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: MP is short stack and looks like donk to me. SB is unknown.
: MP open the pot. I and BB called.
: After flop, I check and BB check, MP c bet and I min 3 bet, BB 4 bet a lot
: and MP all in.
: what do they have?
: MP: big pair.
: me: mid set
: BB? top set? bottom set? str8? 2 pair?, pair and draw?
: what do you do here?
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 No way he is on a draw... 22 or 44, or flopped straight.
i think you can lay down 22.. but can't lay down 33. snap and pray. your
mini check raise is not good. I think that miniraise put you in a very bad
situation, raise to 24$. Drawy board, 1 to act, raise it larger to force bb to play straight forward. BB's stack is so deep, you don't want to give him odds to draw. | t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 4 仔细想了一下， 除非有一家是44， 其他情况你都可以call
1. 另外两家over pair， 他们两家共4个outs， 你远远领先
2. 另外两家一个over pair， 一个strait, 你turn有6 outs, river 9 outs， 你的赢
面=6/41-(6/41)*(2/40)+9/40*(1-2/41)=35%, 而你只要放61/(169+61)=26%的钱， 完
全可以call.
41=52-3-2-2-2
3. 两家strait， 赢面比上面还大一点， 还是call | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 i don't like the mini-raise either:
1) invite drawing hands to come cheaply, and multi-way;
2) expose hand strength somehow with little reward;
3) very hard to play if turn comes another low straight card.
bad
bb to play straight forward. BB's stack is so deep, you don't want to give
him odds to draw.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: No way he is on a draw... 22 or 44, or flopped straight.
: i think you can lay down 22.. but can't lay down 33. snap and pray. your
: mini check raise is not good. I think that miniraise put you in a very bad
: situation, raise to 24$. Drawy board, 1 to act, raise it larger to force bb to play straight forward. BB's stack is so deep, you don't want to give him odds to draw.
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 6 晕， 我没看见BB还剩68bb，假设他再all in, 你的odds就比较勉强了。
我还是fold.
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 仔细想了一下， 除非有一家是44， 其他情况你都可以call
: 1. 另外两家over pair， 他们两家共4个outs， 你远远领先
: 2. 另外两家一个over pair， 一个strait, 你turn有6 outs, river 9 outs， 你的赢
: 面=6/41-(6/41)*(2/40)+9/40*(1-2/41)=35%, 而你只要放61/(169+61)=26%的钱， 完
: 全可以call.
: 41=52-3-2-2-2
: 3. 两家strait， 赢面比上面还大一点， 还是call
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 panda, your calc is flawed, hehe.
1) turn could be 7 outs (you forgot the last 3), river could be 10 outs;
2) you missed set over set, which is a total disaster, and hands like 55 (
over pair, but more outs).
combined picture is not that good, considering BB is deep too.
but i agree a call/re-shove is a have-to here, if goes loses, a cooler.
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 仔细想了一下， 除非有一家是44， 其他情况你都可以call
: 1. 另外两家over pair， 他们两家共4个outs， 你远远领先
: 2. 另外两家一个over pair， 一个strait, 你turn有6 outs, river 9 outs， 你的赢
: 面=6/41-(6/41)*(2/40)+9/40*(1-2/41)=35%, 而你只要放61/(169+61)=26%的钱， 完
: 全可以call.
: 41=52-3-2-2-2
: 3. 两家strait， 赢面比上面还大一点， 还是call
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 8 是，3给忘了，set over set考虑了部分
综合所有情况来说， 基本赌运气， 55开
我会fold， 现在资本积累阶段， 减小波动放首位
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: panda, your calc is flawed, hehe.
: 1) turn could be 7 outs (you forgot the last 3), river could be 10 outs;
: 2) you missed set over set, which is a total disaster, and hands like 55 (
: over pair, but more outs).
: combined picture is not that good, considering BB is deep too.
: but i agree a call/re-shove is a have-to here, if goes loses, a cooler.
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 9 I dont think the min 3 bet matters here, no matter what I do, I will face
same exact situation here, the only difference is I put more money or less
money to calculate the odds.
MP: big pair AA
BB: either 56 or A5 or 44 or 22, no other possibilities.
if BB has 56/A5, I have 34% to win
if BB has 44, I have 4% to win
if BB has 22, I have 72% to win.
what's the over all win odds here? Total possible hands is 38 and 56/A5 is
16+16(if we assume AA is not in MP). 44 is 3 and 22 is 3.
total--> 0.34*(
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i don't like the mini-raise either:
: 1) invite drawing hands to come cheaply, and multi-way;
: 2) expose hand strength somehow with little reward;
: 3) very hard to play if turn comes another low straight card.
:
: bad
: bb to play straight forward. BB's stack is so deep, you don't want to give
: him odds to draw.
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 10 what did you indeed do? Fold?
It is callable. Miniraise is awkward, have to say. MP appearantly has
over pair. BB hard to tell, he could has 55, 22/44 etc. THe only thing
you worry is 44 (against 56s/A5s, u still has 33% chance). Most likely
BB has over pair also (55/45s is more possible).
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: MP is short stack and looks like donk to me. SB is unknown.
: MP open the pot. I and BB called.
: After flop, I check and BB check, MP c bet and I min 3 bet, BB 4 bet a lot
: and MP all in.
: what do they have?
: MP: big pair.
: me: mid set
: BB? top set? bottom set? str8? 2 pair?, pair and draw?
: what do you do here?
| | | P******o
发帖数: 37 | 11 just put them both on over pair and happily call, don't foget to blame the
bad luck if you ARE beaten. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 33 要call.. 22 可以考虑fold... | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 13 Let me ask you guys this: if BB shows A5 here, do you call all in or fold?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 33 要call.. 22 可以考虑fold...
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 Very simple just about even for a call.. That's
why 33 is a call. Because you have 22 and 44 in his range to break even. But
if you only have 22, then i think you are behind. | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 15 I folded. BB shows A5.MP has AA. | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 16 probably close to a call.
MP has TT, BB has 22, two pair combination, or 45.
Against str8, you still have outers.
Against 444, you are dead.
Combine together, you have around 60% equity there.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: MP is short stack and looks like donk to me. SB is unknown.
: MP open the pot. I and BB called.
: After flop, I check and BB check, MP c bet and I min 3 bet, BB 4 bet a lot
: and MP all in.
: what do they have?
: MP: big pair.
: me: mid set
: BB? top set? bottom set? str8? 2 pair?, pair and draw?
: what do you do here?
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 for this hand, it does not make any difference, but if he has a drawing hand
, then you will be kicking yourself for not raising big. you and bb have too
deep a stack. You need to raise enough so you can put as much as possible
in on the turn on a blank if bb come along. Otherwise you are giving him way
too good of an odds and implied odds to come along...The board is not safe.
is
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: I dont think the min 3 bet matters here, no matter what I do, I will face
: same exact situation here, the only difference is I put more money or less
: money to calculate the odds.
: MP: big pair AA
: BB: either 56 or A5 or 44 or 22, no other possibilities.
: if BB has 56/A5, I have 34% to win
: if BB has 44, I have 4% to win
: if BB has 22, I have 72% to win.
: what's the over all win odds here? Total possible hands is 38 and 56/A5 is
: 16+16(if we assume AA is not in MP). 44 is 3 and 22 is 3.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 知道是A5当然不能call，这个和拿JJ(4th nuts too)拼AA没有区别。
所以这里check mini-raise带来的问题就明显了，没有足够的信息决定怎么办，而牌又
很强，BB的stack也深...
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Let me ask you guys this: if BB shows A5 here, do you call all in or fold?
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