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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 Don't under estimate the power of the donks |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 3 close ur eye and call
(oh, well cuz I'm a hu donk, I never give an unknown credit XD) |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 yeah i folded this but not happy about this.. i feel he has Ks 10s the most for him to push this deep
.. does any of you have more notes on this guy? he seems to be very
aggressive.. donk bet 2-3 barrels after flop. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 I think one sigificant difference i made recently is play AK preflop much
more aggressively. I still was not too sure whether this is good over long
run. I can pick up a lot of pots by squeeze preflop. But it does expose me
more on a situation where I have to flip coins vs pocket Qs Js etc. Yeterday
, i raise 3.5X EP with AK, sb reraise to 10X who has 6% 3 bet rate with a
36Xbb short stack. I choose to 4 bet and called a shove. He has Qs and I
lost the coin flip. This donk probably did not not |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 This hand is totally by design.. ^_^
utg vpip 86/71, button is 20/20 with 3 bet rate of 20%
i gave button a chance to 3 bet and to see utg's reaction on whether i will
reraise all in.. he flat, i know he has junk. so shooooveee.. lol
I feel so sorry for the two clueless donks..
seems risky with pocket Qs. but I can't have this type of situation all the
time with pocket As.. have to go with my read.. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 你好象说过同样的话。。。 lol.... happeness 说only donk think like that..
huh? ^_^ |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 because when they see a flush draw on flop with weakness, they can only put you on a flush draw.. en
This hand looks so familiar. |
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y**t
发帖数: 205 | 9 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 再贴一手 这手牌我在BB call 3x raise。flop应该是对我最有利的，我donk bet flop但是MP
reraise，我咋办？ |
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y**t
发帖数: 205 | 10 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 最后一手 我在co 3.5x open with AQs, both SB and BB call。flop SB donk bet 2x, I
reraise with big draw and SB push。我咋办？ |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 I don't play deep stack to steal. I play deep stack so i can have the donks
covered when i have a good hand..
This guy block bet twice and called raise and lead river pot.. it is like
playing his flush out at the open. Playing people like this, we need all
the chips when we need them. Deeper stack can increase the winrate a lot when you have the edge.
people
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 this type of situation is very common in micro stakes, you'll see it a lot.
flop: some pair like 337, 994, or 223, a raise (or check raise) here is 95%
of BS, with trips or boat, 99% of time ppl will slow play this. especially
he flats pre-flop, if 1% chance he does hit his dream flop, even less likely
he'll "ruin" it so quickly.
turn, he commits too mcuh already, and donk folds, no wonder his aggression
is only 1.4.
very typical looose weak fish.
A2 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 lol, you misread, i said i'd go with him on Kxx (with my K5 holding, not K
high) because this hand will beat 80%+ of his range.
action from an agrodonk. Imaging the time when you don't
whole
profitable. if you want to 3 bet and 4 bet steal, make it look like pocket
As don't make it look like the type trash hand you have.
take donk's whole stack easily. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 flop 为十么不lead? it is much harder to balance a check raise range than a
donk bet range. I would lead here often so as all draws with a standard 2/3 pot bet. Make the pot big early so you don't have to over bet river to get paid off. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 15 I did not play that hand well. I definitely should donk bet 2/3 pot on the
flop.
My hand is 100% ahead on the flop, a lot of turn card can reduce my hand
value.
On the other hand, he is the 4better preflop, maybe I can c/r him, but not a
good line in this spot.
a
/3 pot bet. Make the pot big early so you don't have to over bet river to
get paid off. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 昨天最后有点tilt了 (guess I am only human)。 another 2 buy in under ev... 输
了2个buy-in, 1 个buy-in 是最后tilt的时候输的, 其实输得不多,不过长期run bad, 有点受不了了.
Some agro donk 4 bet me 46Xbb from big blind with AQo on my 16Xbb 3 bet. I reshoved all in 120bb+ with KK (it was easiest shove for me based on his stats). He actually
hestited (what a surprise) before calling. I knew my hand was good. But
hands never holds when you are on a bad streak.
今天看见fcf 的blog, 他 downswing 16个buy in 1k hand on NL100 and NL 200 , 我
也就心平了。。看来我要听 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 17 Doing ok in NL50 and some times test water in NL100. More donk in NL 100 for
sure, 3 bet and 4 bet happens everywhere, they play super aggressively.
could win/lose big pot . |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 18 In the first hand, the donk called my squeeze(about 25BB) with KQs and then all in me first after flop, I have to call....
Other two hands just go all in before flop... FTP likes to set up the AA/KK and enjoys the rake... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - NL100 今天还行, 小有盈余. 中间stupid 一下让人清了把AA.. 之后头脑清晰大打小球派
postflop...
今天的NL100真他妈的紧.. 跟那啥一样.... 赢个大pot不容易, 不过小埚偷不少...
两天让人清了3把都是自己白吃(something i don't even do often at NL50).. 要好好改进才能稳定盈利...
还有就是别把敌人想得太厉害... 都是一堆donk, fish. raise river all in bluffed 太少了(靠. 我竟然level自己call了俩个).. 整天想着value range的也不多.. 大部分人也就是看着自己两张牌的鱼, 等着我们来收他们的钱...... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - NL100 Terrible mini4 bet here for me. I was so worried about button come along
with the odds. Just didn't think bb was going to fold on such small 5 bet.
Should flat that 4 bet... you can never understand the donks really. 4 bet and fold.. so awesome. should try this mini5 bet thing with pocket deuce next time. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 i do not recommend folding KK preflop like ever..
but this is an exception. I feel he has AA >80% of the time here.
1) I 3 bet EP vs utg raise = Super super strength
2) I do not like the sizing of his 3 bet at all.
If he only had QQ or AK here, I can only say "great job, clueless donk" and
give him the pot. I will get him back in the future. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 i put him on a pair actually, he 3.5x pre-flop, bet calls on flop, check
calls big on the turn, uses up all time bank on river before folding.
weak TT/JJ type of hands out of position, i take the donk set line. i don't
shove on river (no $ diff. actually) because "i put you all-in" may look
more convincing in his eyes if he's weak.
you opponents
overpair in this hand or you will get a call. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 the worst mistake you can make vs. LAG is to lose patience or care too much
about that little blinds or limping $.
be brave, make pre-flop and flop action stronger than your normal "comfort"
level, play HU against him, and don't get involved in multi-way with
marginal holdings AND without position.
be aware of that LAG is aggressive, but they're not stupid, they might play
a trash pair strongly all the way and murder some donks, but they're
observing the game too.
one good saying, "poker is all |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 24 不会吧，对lag可以calldown light，3bet 4bet light
等nuts，不就是tight passive么，如果对方是lag不是donk，就不会和这种人go to
deep
pot
holdings. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 25
two
MY pokeryjj just go up up and up. almost no huge downswings. Except several
times I get tilted, and donk 300$ to one guy. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 怎么办？ That AA hand was poorly played. Raise that flop any day any time and get it
in UNLESS he has a note on you as passive player.
To call a hand instead of raising on a dangrous board because he only has
second nuts is en... weak...
On the other hand, i think you should check raise that flop instead of donk.
and hope to get it in on turn. because a dangrous card will stop all action
of you extracting values. And it happened precisely. If you have played
like that, you would have getting his whole |
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c*****a
发帖数: 447 | 27 totally agree. most of the time, when I face the all in, I want to call.
I catch a bluff once in awhile but losing my stake most of the time. so
now it is what I do. I donk all in on the river with my nuts all the time.
what is great about poker is we could just experiment and have tons of fun.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 28 donk's wishful thinking..
as |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 raise his donk bet pot turn pot river. still call.. thank you very much. |
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j********4
发帖数: 72 | 30 Going to spend 3 days in AC during labor day long weekend. Which casino is
better to make some money from those donks? |
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j********4
发帖数: 72 | 31
Then let me restate my questions. Which Casino has more donks than others. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 32 LOL, I am donk tight weak nit player... :) |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 主要不想用QQ 来set farming.. 我一flat, EP 跟进来, 我没位置被他俩夹在中间,太难受了...
这miniraise 再shove,很难读, 可能是AA, AK, 也可能donk shove 烂牌... 这4 bet fold
是真亏..他vpip 20 17 也很松了虽然才没几手牌.
不过这牌可能真是weak tight 一点flat pre 的好.. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 34 除非他是你二舅，太了解你了，否则donk shove的可能极小，你这个size虽然俺觉得稍
小了点，但是weak is strong，反过来看颇有点真货的味道，所以他还敢shove，连AK
俺看都玄。
非常象KK，瞎猜。
太难受了...
fold |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 35 disclaimer, I am a donk.
3-handed, ATs is very good. I guess it depends more on how the table has
been playing lately, mostly whether you have some showdown with solid hole
cards recently at button/co or your image is loose/super aggressive and
people think you are just stealing pot after pot. if image loose, definitely
shove.
even if lose the showdown, it may make later stealing at button/sb easier
because of fear factor, many people don't like big confrontation and the
risk of elimination. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 36 utg donk has AA. button can not have anything better than you or he will smooth call, probably a draw.
瞎猜的..they both look fishy though... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 37 i guess BTN shoves for a reason, she puts me on a hand that MIGHT call UTG's
donk shove for $20 (therefore become committed for hands like TP + open ended).
a limped pot and my 2/3 lead bet give her such info.
a str8 draw only is not likely on this two hearts flop. she's a regular, i
guess she knows for big action like this, she needs some sorts of hands that
can draw to the nuts although she's behind for now.
i don't really like these little top 2 pairs on a draw heavy flop and 3-way
action. mo |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 38 I have 56s in the CO with $300+ chips. EP(stake $120+) guy raise $7 and 2 MP
called and I called. BTN and SB/BB fold.
flop: QQ6 with flush draw. EP raise to $18, all fold to me and I called. BB
fold.
Turn: 6 add another flush draw. I feel I got lucky here. But all the
sudetnly EP all in with around 100 left.No read on him, feel him is a donk.
The only thing I can remember is he raises with 55 UTG one hand and c bet
with AKXr borad.
What do I do? What does he have? |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 easy call.
from his preflop, flop, and turn action, a Qx hand is so unlikely, but
apparently he doesn't put you on Qx either but a draw or weak pair, in live,
his hands could be any PP between 77-JJ, even suited AK, AJ alike.
short stackers simply don't shove on QQ66 turn with Qx, what's the point? if
you're drawing to a flush and a donk, you may still know you are very
likely drawing dead. his shove is not for value, but out of fear. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 40 nah, or you should think in this way, live (especially 1/2NL) and online are
like two different stages in a tournament, you need to use different
strageties accordingly (hands/hr, stack, donk level, etc.). your core game
might be the same, but you need to balance your range too.
even online, calling a 3.5x with 5s6s in a 4-way pot with position is
totally fine. yes, most of time, you're behind (guess what? only AA is
absolutely not, lol), but why you're playing this hand? because:
1) it has grea |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 41 You shove is so nice, dont give this donk a single chance to save money.
thin value bet is so important, all poker bet/raise/fold is about value. If
you like to thin value bet, you have to be well prepared to fold your lovely
hand. otherwise, better just to call. Same thing applies to slow play AA.If
you could not fold AA after flop, better not slow play with it.
value river river.. end up
miniraise to induce..... i never reinduce.. shoooooveeee.....
when you are beat. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 42 这样的flop不装B你也不会上当...
你要真不信，turn re-shove倒是正确的(虽然不改变结果)，但是river donk bet再
call就真的连bluff catcher都很勉强。
sigh，其实俺也很不喜欢river，2张broadway牌在面上，很有可能improve了你的
preflop range，但是有个100NL的常客的声音象蚊子一样在耳朵边震耳鱼聋“不要miss
value”，俺就盲目的听了。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 43 亲爱的被德州抓人抓进来的牢友们：
先说句大实话，其实这版上的已知常客，除了fcf以外，俺们其实都有一个响亮的名字
，DONK!
作为75%骄傲的一份子，尽管俺们都觉得另外的75%扑克玩家很烂，但其实俺们都是不折
不扣的学徒，在黑暗中摸索再摸索，失败中寻找绝望，在绝望中寻找光亮。
很遗憾，为什么很多本来可以深入研究的牌谱，最后都要你黑我白，都要不欢而散的轮
回？问世间，情为何物？俺们毛驴之间的滚烫的阶级大爱难道总要在争论中消失无踪？
走出狭隘的小我，多几句i like the bet on the flop，but i'd rather shove on
turn, because 1,2,3... or i played a hand like this, did i make a mistake
here and there? ...俺们也许永远不会达成真正一致，如果真有那么一天，扑克真的
没法玩了，自己和自己的左右互搏，edge无穷接近零。但是在flop, turn, river的林
林总总局面中，俺们或“对”或“错”总能提供另一种思路。你认为对的，学，认为
错的，也笑纳，这可能代 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 44 lol, we donks need to have a get together in AC sometimes. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 sure, i may even check shove on the turn (pot will be big enough) with top 2
and nut flush draw.
BUT, on the flop, i play like a totalllllllllll DONK!! |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 46 i raise pre and he lead donk all in..
Would you call? |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 47 4. bust the loose donk
bet UTG with Q8s
over bet flop
small bet on turn
call my all in on river |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 48 This guy raise me turn and fold to my all in raise with 3$ left..... wtf?
4 way pot... |
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