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itsbeautiful (poppop) 于 (Sun Apr 8 14:41:27 2012, 美东) 提到:
一群搞研究的人，怎么可以不知道不能先下结论再找论据。
换句话说，当你看到一个疑似论据，你要客观看是否可以从它得出一般性的结论，
而不是看是否可以把这个论据安在某个特定的人/物身上
方舟子给韩寒找错字，说实在的这唯一说明的问题就是方舟子很苦逼
但是版上有人还是奉作神明
我对mitbbs有点失望，混mitbbs的教育程度都很好吧，即使F2好歹也是个大专吧
但是有些人的脑袋真是不开窍，所谓有知识没文化，还偏偏对学历看的特别重
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mitbbs2715 (好吃不懒做) 于 (Sun Apr 8 14:50:02 2012, 美东) 提到:
可能搞生物的人和别的学科不一样，一直是用这种逻辑吧
不然怎么人家都说生物学术方面的干货不多呢
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发帖数: 12955 | 3
What does this relate to anything?
Who choose to talk or not talk is their own choice. It doesn't prove or
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c****3
发帖数: 1143 | 4 We know that Zimmerman suspected Martin of being a burglar or something. We
know that Zimmerman complained about "these assholes always get[ting] away."
So it is entirely believable that Zimmerman said "what are your doing around
here?"
And we know that Zimmerman and Martin fought each other .... making it
entirely believable that Rachel Jeantel heard them scuffling.
That's all you need to know to make George Zimmerman a liar. Phone records
show Martin on the phone with Rachel Jeantel, and Jea... 阅读全帖 |
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c****3
发帖数: 1143 | 5 You are right. This is the case!
所以说一出手就得搞死，搞死了随George Zimmerman怎么说.
ZT
George Zimmerman Is Lying
by Conceptual Guerilla
Watching the Zimmerman trial, the images coming out of the courtroom seem to
be convincing some media observers that Zimmerman's self-defense claim is
colorable.
Zimmerman's case is that Martin jumped out some bushes, said "what's your
problem," and then punched Zimmerman. According to Zimmerman, Martin then
jumped on top of Zimmerman and began slamming his head into the si... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****9
发帖数: 9501 | 6 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: lqm1989 (Jeremy Lin), 信区: Military
标 题: zt George Zimmerman Is Lying
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 16 11:20:22 2013, 美东)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/03/1220799/-George-Zimmer
George Zimmerman Is Lying
by Conceptual Guerilla
Watching the Zimmerman trial, the images coming out of the courtroom seem to
be convincing some media observers that Zimmerman's self-defense claim is
colorable.
Zimmerman's case is that Martin jumped out some bushes, said "what's your
probl... 阅读全帖 |
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s**i
发帖数: 4448 | 7 好吧，借用你的方式，我前面也也一点针对一点， "disproved"了。
你的主要证据，政府福利金额，有合理其他解释。导不出你的结论
你的“曾经有父母在孩子健康问题上撒谎以获利”和你的结论之间有个大的逻辑断裂。 |
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发帖数: 16092 | 8 I dont have an answer for you, but if it is so easy to disprove
, it should have been thrown in the garbage can a long time ago. |
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发帖数: 53 | 9 1.The ruler of an ancient kingdom wanted to disprove the statement that the
men of his domain were ruled by their wives.He had all the males in his
kingdom brought before him and warned that any man who did not tell the
truth would be punished severely. Then he asked all the men who obeyed their
wives' directions and counsel to step to the left side of the hall. All the
men did so but one little man who moved to the right. “It's good to see，
”said the king，“that we have one real man in the kingd... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 43471 | 10 (CNN) -- There is no debate.
Climate change is real. And, yes, we are, in part, to blame.
There is a 97% consensus among scientific experts that humans are causing
global warming. Ninety-seven percent!
Yet some very vocal Americans continue to debate what is surely fact.
The question is, why?
Trust certainly plays a part.
According to Gordon Gauchat, an associate professor of sociology from the
University of Wisconsin, just 42% of adults in the U.S. have a great deal of
confidence (PDF) in the s... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3872 | 11
Agnosticism
form of skepticism that holds that the existence of God cannot
be logically proved or disproved. Among prominent agnostics have
been Auguste Comte, Herbert Spencer, and T. H. Huxley (who coined
the word agnostic in 1869). Immanuel Kant was an agnostic who
argued that belief in divinity can rest only on faith. Agnosticism
is not to be confused with atheism, which asserts that there is no
God. (The Columbia Encyclopedia: Sixth Edition. 2000.)
就最后一句，联系到自己读《老子》的参考，附一段抄的书：
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l*****i
发帖数: 5 | 12
以下摘自http://www.religioustolerance.org/agnostic.htm
AGNOSTICISM: BEING UNCERTAIN ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
Agnosticism is a concept, not a religion. It is a belief about the
existence or non-existence of God. An agnostic is a person who feels that
God's existence can neither be proved nor disproved, on the basis of
current evidence. Agnostics note that nobody in history has been able to
prove that God exists or that God does not exist. Since Agnostics do not
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whywhy00 (landau) 于 (Tue Aug 26 20:14:26 2008) 提到:
首先谢谢桃谷大仙。
我google "Dating Methods", 找到了这个。
不过我可以公平的说，网上对的错的，乱七八糟，什么都有。我自己对这些东西并不很
看重。
我把这个贴出来，一是告诉非基，事情并不象你们想像的那么简单，二来也希望真正懂
行的人指教。因为我自己对这方面并不太懂。
http://www.answersingenesis.org/zh/articles/nab/does-c14-disprove-the-bible
科学家使用称为放射测年法的技术估算岩石﹑化石和地球的年代。许多人被引导相信，
放射性测年法已经证明地球有几十亿年之久。这引起许多基督徒重新评估圣经的创造记
录，特别是创世记第一章中 “日”一词的意义。当我们特别集中注意这种特别形式的
放射性测年法（碳测年法）的时候，我们就会明白碳测年法强有力地支持年轻的地球。
基础
在我们详细探讨如何使用放射测年法之前，我们需要 |
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s*****n
发帖数: 209 | 14 >The reason why there are Christians endorsing death penalty may be
>>because God commanded it in the OT (Genesis 9:6) And there are Christians
>>disproving it because of what Jesus did in John 8. Personally, I don’t
support it,
>>because for someone who does not know God, wages of sin is death, and it
>>does not make much difference to take his life early. However, I am fully
>>submitted to the power of government to institute death penalty.
You appear to say that it is perfectly fine tha |
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x***m
发帖数: 345 | 15 can't prove or disprove, why bother, just a waste of time no matter how hard
you try. |
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发帖数: 472 | 16 Please do not waste ur time, there is no way to prove or disprove the
existance of God. |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 17 Counter their evidence. Their evidence is sometimes from atheistic
scientists who portray their results in ways specifically conceived to
disprove the existence of God, so use research from Christian scientists to
rebuff their arguments.
Use logic. Remember that some aspects of God and his existence cannot be
explained logically just as they will pretend to, but can not explain the
origin of life. Their doctrines of secularism may prompt the Atheist to
dismiss God, but remind anyone that, as Cre... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 418 | 18 1. I answered your question--Why I believe.
Now you are questioning me the validity of my feeling and belief.
2. Based on my experience
這是客觀的嗎？可以驗證嗎？
--- it is real, but it cannot be tested with 5 senses
先感覺被愛還是先信？--- I did not ask for his love, but I felt the love.
就算真的是神，你怎麼知道是哪個神？---There is only one GOD
就算真的是耶穌，你怎麼知道耶穌是處女生的？--irrelavant
你試試看想像一下一個信scientology 的人說同樣的話，
你會覺得證據充分，沒有不信的道理？
Science is the exploration of the existing laws. It does not creat new laws.
To prove or disprove of the go... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 25615 | 19 1. I answered your question--Why I believe.
Now you are questioning me the validity of my feeling and belief.
--> Personal experience that no one can share is questionable.
2. Based on my experience
--> ditto
這是客觀的嗎？可以驗證嗎？
--- it is real, but it cannot be tested with 5 senses
---> You redefined "real.
先感覺被愛還是先信？--- I did not ask for his love, but I felt the love.
---> Again, before or after you had faith.
就算真的是神，你怎麼知道是哪個神？---There is only one GOD
---> How do you prove this?
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h****t
发帖数: 1640 | 20 正是。编码的时候应该力避歧义。
记得以前蓝月写诗用“非命客”，他的意思却是“非 (disprove) verb + 命运”，虽
然的确有前例可循，但是毕竟干扰太大。 |
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发帖数: 12 | 21 //hand frangrance, I told beb this long time ago and recommended this
book. However, as far as I know, Morris does not have much support from
the biological circle, they mostly think he has gone too far or too much,
blending cause&effect with contingency, social biological explanation with
Larmarcan evolutiona, etc. Basicly he proposed many radical and innovative
ideas and hypothesis, but to prove or disprove that, he does not do much.
As of the hymen, his explanation is that the first sex for |
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y****g
发帖数: 47 | 22 《琴诗》 宋•苏轼
若言琴上有琴声，放在匣中何不鸣？
若言声在指头上，何不于君指上听？
I don't know how to prove/disprove it ...
But Google contains one article about this:
北岳庙现存的碑、碣、经幢、石雕是祖国宝贵的文化遗产，从南北朝北魏、北齐、唐
、五代、宋、金、元、明、清直到民国，各代碑刻俱全，跨越１５００多年。碑刻内容大
多是用诗词、歌赋记载的观后感。从书法艺术上讲，真草、隶、篆和行书等字体均有，是
学习和研究书法艺术的宝库。碑廊内尚存有宋苏轼东坡词、清谢鉴礼临摹的碣刻二方。其
中一赋《行香子》是苏东坡所作。表现了作者当时因直言敢谏，招致祸端，仕途不如意，
故而将自己比做浮萍的心情。碣刻字大三寸，秀劲拨乱挺拔，丰满方正，挥洒自如，堪称
传世佳作。 |
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发帖数: 22064 | 23 第十位：Refute
“Refute” means to“disprove with evidence” and yet it's commonly used,
even by professional writers, to mean“rebut” which carries a similar
meaning but isn’t quite so strong, as it can also mean“argue against.”
The example here(“Simon Cowell refutes‘scandalous’ claims he helped
billionaire hide assets from wife he was divorcing”) is from a recent Daily
Mail article. For those outside the UK, the Daily Mail is a newspaper which
regularly rages against falling educational standards. A sp... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****y
发帖数: 9433 | 24 "There is not a single contemporary historical mention of Jesus, not by
Romans or by Jews, not by believers or by unbelievers, not during his
entire lifetime. This does not disprove his existence, but it certainly
casts great doubt on the historicity of a man who was supposedly widely
known to have made a great impact on the world. Someone should have
noticed."
- Dan Barker |
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发帖数: 10575 | 25 http://www.ccel.org/ccel/boettner/predest.iii.iii.html
Chapter IV
The Sovereignty of God
Every thinking person readily sees that some sovereignty rules his life. He
was not asked whether or not he would have existence; nor when, where, or
what he would be born; whether in the twentieth century or before the flood;
whether white or Negro; whether in America or in China. It has been
recognized by Christians in all ages that God is the Creator and Ruler of
the universe, and that as the Creator and ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3382 | 26 why it is so hard for you to just reply yes or no? did him or did he not?
answer me.
of course we are not the first to ask these questions, we didn't claim to be
. but what amazes us is that, even knowing what he did, or what he made men
did, christians still worship him nonetheless.
you can quote a thousand things in the bible that dignify the god but you
can not disprove the atrocities he caused, can you? are those babies killed,
directly or indirectly by the "god"? the answer is yes, yes, yes... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 27 do you ever plan to answer the following question:
why you, liufanghe, as a christian, continue to worship the christian god
even knowing he committed babies killing and genocide?
you admitted that these questions once bothered you but you eventually
overcame and become a christian right? just tell me how you thought that
through. i am curious to know.
and please, once again, answer with logic, articulation and intellect. do
not ask me to come up with the answer for you, and do not quote bible
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发帖数: 3382 | 28 you did better, but i see it is still hard for you to come up with any
plausible argument. and here is why
first of all, "你仅仅因为别人不认同你的事实就认定别人just either bigoted or
plain stupid"-- wrong.
it is not my fact, it is hard physical evidences jointly collected, studied
and presented by thousands of individual scientists over decades through
rigorous peer review systems. and if someone stand in front all these and
pronounce he does not believe any of them without even trying to know the
subject in the f... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3382 | 29 关于二号染色体的问题很多，尚无定论
you can let your faith affect your judgment and interpretation of the
evidences, but it is already a fact that chromosome 2 is widely accepted as
the end to end fusion of two chromosomes
理想的证明是在二号染色体上找到两个着丝粒
normally only one centromere can be found in a chromosome, but chromosome 2
has the remaining of a second one. instead of interpreting this as the
evidence of a fusion, you choose to question the deactivation mechanism of
the second centromere. it is good to question, but i... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 9567 | 30 Josephus
John E. Remsberg, The Christ
Late in the first century Josephus wrote his celebrated work, “The
Antiquities of the Jews,” giving a history of his race from the earliest
ages down to his own time. Modern versions of this work contain the
following passage:
“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call
him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works; a teacher of such men as
receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews,
and many o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 31 thanks. I browse thru and will spend more time on the details.
But the survey summary shows that
a) disproving Christianty with modern science as the LEAST reason cited to
switch affiliation. how does this help your argument?
b) the most cited is issues with the (mainly, but not limited to, catholic)
church (corruption,hypocrisy etc). Many chap/verses in the Bible have
dealt with these issues (i.e the 7 churches in Rev, Acts). Better
understanding of God's words thru Bible study helps to addr... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 32 "在這板上反進化論的基督徒.....沒有一個" -- one counter-example (myself) is
good enough to disprove your statement.
"進化論" is at best an out-dated theory, and if you choose to believe it
just because the athesists say so, your belief in "scentific theory" is just
a blind-faith that leads you nowhere.
"在這板上反進化論的基督徒， 沒有一個讀過一本正經的
進化論書籍， 沒有一個認真看過正經生物學家寫的進化論
介紹， 沒有一個看過進化論的科普影片， 所以當然答不出來" |
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发帖数: 5754 | 33 "三位一体" describes the state of understanding of God that mainstream
church fellows.
"波粒二项性" is used as an analogy as I said, not to prove or disprove. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 34 so the scientists have hypothesized/empirically demonstrated the molecular
mechanisms/factors that could lead to certain nerological/psycological
behavior shared by 宗教体验.
A natural argument from Science's perspective, could these 宗教体验 (
nerological/psycological/behaviral) actually caused by a totall different
set of factors/mechanisms?
More importantly, these scientific discoveries (IMHO, and based on personal
experience) may simply be a paritial reveal of the amazing mechanics of God'
s creatio... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 35 I did answer your questions -- IMHO, you can't prove/disprove the Bible or
replace faith with human knowledge. As far as I can see, that's what you
have been trying in this forum with all your questions.
Tell me if you understand the following verses. Did Jesus answer 尼 哥 底 母
's questions?
<< 約 翰 福 音 3 >> |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 36 1 太陽是繞地球? -- You didn't specify your reference frame in your question.
2 不敢回答 -- I don't want to waste time on questions unrelated to faith/
belief, or attempts to disprove faith with "science". IMHO, they belong two
different domains. Ask yourself whether you are taking "science" as granted
and following it blindly.
3 害我又輸一個包子 -- learn to face the consequences of your own action. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 37 so you disprove Bible simply because you believe some of its teaching are
also covered in 老祖宗's teaching? is that a good excuse to mock the
Christian belief? BTW, are you practicing 老祖宗's teaching (the virtues)
yourself? |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 38
Because the focus of bible is salvation.
What evidence proves the randomness and disprove design?
没有这样的吧，你真的相信上帝6天造了整个世界？
IMHO, it depends the definition of time.
God starts a process, which continues on it's own. |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 39 And how many controlled experiments you did with bible?
. I have little experience with history.
environment is a must-have condition in biological research to prove or
disprove a hypothesis, or to investigate the underlying
(or considered "scientific research" at all).
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 40
. I have little experience with history.
Historical sciences研究过去发生的现象，因为发生在过去，所以没法重复实验，但
同样可以靠推理和证据检验得到不同可靠程度的结论。这都是常识，警察办案，没法重
复实验，照样可以推测、检验证据。一个人耳朵被咬掉了，即使没法重复实验，如果看
到旁边有个人把耳朵吐出来了，合理的推测就是很可能是他咬的。比较解刨学、古生物
化石、基因同源性分析、各种中间形式，就是这种“吐出的耳朵”，在大的结论上，一
致的指向进化论，进化论已经是生物学的基本原则之一，生物学本身也有历史科学性质。
有空可以看一下historical sciences的介绍http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/histsci.htm
environment is a must-have condition in biological research to prove or
disprove a hypothesis, or to investigate the underlying
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 41
won'
evolution
my
Yes. I confirm.
Now go on. I don't know what we are discussing any more.
Are you going to disprove evolution theory? |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 42 any scientific theory that can be a) repeated and tested in controlled
environments and b) the theory can help to predict outcomes. for example,
the central dogam, the molecular mechanism of how certain phenotypes are
controlled by the interaction of groups of genes, etc. These can testsable/
provable or disprovable in controlled environment repeatively, and the
finding can be used to predict outcomes.
But the "evolution theory" fails on both fronts. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 43
That's fine. While I have no idea how to repeat the "evoltution" experiment
in controlled environments to prove or disprove the "evolution theory", I
can suggest you simply come to Church bible study to experience how Jesus
Christ may change your view on your life. IMHO, the latter is much more REAL
than believing some almost surely zero probability event. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 44
物演变（通过随机变异）。这种机制几经被数学化（generic algorithm），并且广泛
运用于求解最优化领域，效果很不错。
Generic algorithm is a algorithm inspired by "evolution", a good tool to use in searching for global optimum for problems with multiple local optima, and I have used it myself.
But this algorithm has nothing to do with what happens in nature (it does't prove or disprove "evolution"). Don't confuse math (a mind product of human) with natural science (creation of God). |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 45
I'm not in the position to 指教, just sharing how I view the relation
between "evolution theory" and Bible based on my limited personal
experiences, and only speak for myself. I hope this wouldn't become a stumbling
stone for anyone :).
As mentioned early, faith & science are in two different domains -- the
existence of God can't be prove or disproved by science /reasoning. Your
personal life experience may have a much more impact than what you read
about "evolution theory". Maybe someday you wou... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 46 Is this then our freedom of religion? and are we to have a censor whose
imprimatur shall say what books may be sold, and what we may buy? And who is
thus to dogmatize religious opinions for our citizens? Whose foot is to be
the measure to which ours are all to be cut or stretched? Is a priest to be
our inquisitor, or shall a layman, simple as ourselves, set up his reason as
the rule for what we are to read, and what we must believe? It is an insult
to our citizens to question whether they are ra... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 47 love is the first and foremost nature of God
we have to use this rule to reason about God
therefore, God will not make man suffer.
eternal punishment is obviously wrong based on this reasoning.
we also find biblical evident that disprove the eternal punishment |
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