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TrustInJesus版 - 基督徒都信什么
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l*******e
发帖数: 3584
1
说起这个不能不说使徒信经,什么是信经,在教会发展的过程中,信徒越来越多,
为了什么目的进到教会的都有,虽然说保罗教过为了福音的兴旺,无论出于什么
目的传福音的都会觉得欢喜,
有的傳基督、是出於嫉妒分爭.也有的是出於好意.這一等、是出於愛心、知道我
是為辯明福音設立的.那一等傳基督、是出於結黨、並不誠實、意思要加增我捆鎖
的苦楚。這有何妨呢.或是假意、或是真心、無論怎樣、基督究竟被傳開了.為此
我就歡喜、並且還要歡喜。
但有些不信的传着传着就变了味道。而且不同神学思想的沿袭也造成了不同宗派在
神学侧重上的不同,那么用简单的话语解释信仰的原委并澄清信仰的内容就成了初
期大公教会一个任务,说不好听的话,信经的出现很大程度上是为了对外抵挡逼迫,
对内面对异端。再简单的说信经就是教条式的信仰摘要。
当然信经有很多版本,现在有的教会在成立的时候可能会说我们建立教会是本着这
个和那个信经。这也没有什么不可,因为大家都很小心,很怕落掉了什么,而且信
经在大体上内容相似,对于仔细研究神学的人可能才会理解里面的一些差别。但如
果你的教会所讲的与信经相悖,那信的人可就要自己仔细想一想了。我在教会常用
的是使徒信经,是当代基督教公认的三大信经之一。
使徒信經( The Apostles' Creed ):
我信上帝,全能的父,創造天地的主。
我信耶穌基督,上帝的獨生子,我們的主;因著聖靈成孕,從童女馬利亞所生;在
本丟彼拉多手下遇難,被釘在十字架上,死了,葬了;下到陰間;第三天從死裏復
活;後升天,坐在無所不能的父上帝的右邊;將來要從那裏降臨,審判活人、死人。
我信聖靈;一聖基督教會,聖徒相通;罪得赦免;肉身復活;並且永生。阿門。
q**********4
发帖数: 647
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“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候邀请教会的老年人来抹油/祷告。请问
:基督徒们是否应该遵守“圣经”“新约”的这个要求?
l*******e
发帖数: 3584
3
这同基督徒信什么有什么关系

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: “圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候邀请教会的老年人来抹油/祷告。请问
: :基督徒们是否应该遵守“圣经”“新约”的这个要求?

q**********4
发帖数: 647
4

当然有关系。你相信“圣经”是你家“全知全能”的主子启示的吗?如果是这样,“圣
经”“新约”的教导你理
所当然用该遵守。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 这同基督徒信什么有什么关系
l*******e
发帖数: 3584
5
请您嘴里放干净一点儿,先去治治你自己的病,用什么方法都行,
学会了说话再来。

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: 当然有关系。你相信“圣经”是你家“全知全能”的主子启示的吗?如果是这样,“圣
: 经”“新约”的教导你理
: 所当然用该遵守。

m*********g
发帖数: 11102
6
他的话哪不干净?是“主子”么?主的意思不就是主子?

“圣

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 请您嘴里放干净一点儿,先去治治你自己的病,用什么方法都行,
: 学会了说话再来。

q**********4
发帖数: 647
7

哈哈哈!不敢回答问题只好照这样滥的借口。
我的话哪里不干净了?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 请您嘴里放干净一点儿,先去治治你自己的病,用什么方法都行,
: 学会了说话再来。

q**********4
发帖数: 647
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我从来不掩饰也不否认我对基督徒们的鄙视。
但是,我自认为是个讲道理的人。如果你能把我驳倒,我保证认错,道歉,改正。
请吧,不要找借口逃避问题了。
l*******e
发帖数: 3584
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先去治了病再来,和病人没有什么好说的,等你治好病一定有办法回答你的问题。

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: 我从来不掩饰也不否认我对基督徒们的鄙视。
: 但是,我自认为是个讲道理的人。如果你能把我驳倒,我保证认错,道歉,改正。
: 请吧,不要找借口逃避问题了。

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
10
这里主当父讲,就像杀婴等于正义,儿子就是爸爸一样

【在 m*********g 的大作中提到】
: 他的话哪不干净?是“主子”么?主的意思不就是主子?
:
: “圣

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q**********4
发帖数: 647
11

你为什么回答不了我的问题?是你病了还是我病了?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 先去治了病再来,和病人没有什么好说的,等你治好病一定有办法回答你的问题。
l*******e
发帖数: 3584
12
你连版规都看不明白,或看了也记不住,而且不会说人话,是你病了。

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: 你为什么回答不了我的问题?是你病了还是我病了?

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
13
多么谦卑,多么自命公义,多么不爱论断,
你们这种传教方式比老七这种反基的伤害性大的多,赞一下

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你连版规都看不明白,或看了也记不住,而且不会说人话,是你病了。
o**1
发帖数: 6383
14
新基,灵命尚浅,再加上受共产党的洗脑影响,大家包涵他一点。

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 多么谦卑,多么自命公义,多么不爱论断,
: 你们这种传教方式比老七这种反基的伤害性大的多,赞一下

q**********4
发帖数: 647
15

就算我说的话不中听,总比抽你一记耳光要好得多吧。你家主子怎么教导你的?打你的
右脸,你应该把
左脸伸出来给我打。我稍微不客气一点的言辞你就受不了了?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你连版规都看不明白,或看了也记不住,而且不会说人话,是你病了。
l*******e
发帖数: 3584
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说说你的主子是谁,是你父母教给你这么说话的吗?如果不是你有病的话
你就是少家教。不过我到觉得你可以去看看病,别觉得自己的心理疾病不是病。

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: 就算我说的话不中听,总比抽你一记耳光要好得多吧。你家主子怎么教导你的?打你的
: 右脸,你应该把
: 左脸伸出来给我打。我稍微不客气一点的言辞你就受不了了?

q**********4
发帖数: 647
17

我没有主子。但是你信了基督教,你就有了主子了。怎么,难道耶和华/耶稣不是你家
主子?
我有没有家教,这个不重要。重要的是:“圣经”“新约”的要求,你为什么不遵守?
你把你家主子的教导
当成什么了?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 说说你的主子是谁,是你父母教给你这么说话的吗?如果不是你有病的话
: 你就是少家教。不过我到觉得你可以去看看病,别觉得自己的心理疾病不是病。

E*****m
发帖数: 25615
18
"主" 跟 "主子" 其實是一樣的意思, 你氣什麼?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 说说你的主子是谁,是你父母教给你这么说话的吗?如果不是你有病的话
: 你就是少家教。不过我到觉得你可以去看看病,别觉得自己的心理疾病不是病。

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
19
你一直在用繁体,看来你不了解“主子”这个词的用法。
生气有什么用,只是要告诉有些人说话注意一点儿。

【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: "主" 跟 "主子" 其實是一樣的意思, 你氣什麼?
q**********4
发帖数: 647
20

就算我说的话不中听,总比抽你一记耳光要好得多吧。你家主子怎么教导你的?打你的
右脸,你应该把左脸伸出来给我打。我稍微不客气一点的言辞你就受不了了?
看来,你把你家主子的教导当成了一个P。
痛快一点,你把我驳倒了,我立刻认错/道歉,决不含糊。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你一直在用繁体,看来你不了解“主子”这个词的用法。
: 生气有什么用,只是要告诉有些人说话注意一点儿。

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说说嘁哩喀喳这个人zzTHE NAME "LUCIFER" HAS NEVER BELONGED TO SATAN!
l*******e
发帖数: 3584
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还是那句话,你先去看病。

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: 就算我说的话不中听,总比抽你一记耳光要好得多吧。你家主子怎么教导你的?打你的
: 右脸,你应该把左脸伸出来给我打。我稍微不客气一点的言辞你就受不了了?
: 看来,你把你家主子的教导当成了一个P。
: 痛快一点,你把我驳倒了,我立刻认错/道歉,决不含糊。

q**********4
发帖数: 647
22

哈哈,看来,你的确把你家主子的教导当成了一个P。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 还是那句话,你先去看病。
q**********4
发帖数: 647
23

好吧,为什么你说我有病?请问你尊重这个世界上所有的人吗?如果你不是尊重所有的
人,那么,你为
什么指责我呢?
我不尊重基督徒们,我给出了我的理由。如果你不同意我的理由,请你反驳啊。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 还是那句话,你先去看病。
h*****n
发帖数: 2415
24
老七,你不知道知道基督徒们说一套,做一套么?

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: 好吧,为什么你说我有病?请问你尊重这个世界上所有的人吗?如果你不是尊重所有的
: 人,那么,你为
: 什么指责我呢?
: 我不尊重基督徒们,我给出了我的理由。如果你不同意我的理由,请你反驳啊。

q**********4
发帖数: 647
25

知道啊。所以我很鄙视基督徒们。

【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: 老七,你不知道知道基督徒们说一套,做一套么?
E*****m
发帖数: 25615
26
你是不是自認神的奴僕? 如果是, 那抱怨什麼?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你一直在用繁体,看来你不了解“主子”这个词的用法。
: 生气有什么用,只是要告诉有些人说话注意一点儿。

o**1
发帖数: 6383
27
基督徒为什么这么反感主子这个词呢?能展开说说吗?
主子vs奴才,这种内涵,和做主的奴仆,差不多吧。而且好像还应该更忠诚。忠诚到不
用自己的是非标准,不用社会上的是非标准,主说啥就干啥。
清朝的时候,满族官员自称奴才,汉族的还没资格称奴才,只能称臣。那个朝代的时候
基督徒可能不会这么反感这个词。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你一直在用繁体,看来你不了解“主子”这个词的用法。
: 生气有什么用,只是要告诉有些人说话注意一点儿。

q**********4
发帖数: 647
28
再请楼主:

好吧,为什么你说我有病?请问你尊重这个世界上所有的人吗?如果你不是尊重所有的
人,那么,你为什么指责我呢?
我不尊重基督徒们,我给出了我的理由。如果你不同意我的理由,请你反驳啊。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 还是那句话,你先去看病。
O********g
发帖数: 82
29
我想你的问题是 雅各书 5:14
你们中间有病了的呢,他就该请教会的长老来。他们可以奉主的名用油抹他,为他祷告。
English:James 5:14 Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the
church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord
elder 是教会的职位 长老的意思。不一定是老年人。
圣经这里只是说可以这样做,并不是一定必须这样处理病人。
但任何基督徒都可以为病人祷告,特别是威胁生命的疾病。
h*****n
发帖数: 2415
30
should 是可以的意思么?我认为should是不可以的意思。

告。
the

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 我想你的问题是 雅各书 5:14
: 你们中间有病了的呢,他就该请教会的长老来。他们可以奉主的名用油抹他,为他祷告。
: English:James 5:14 Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the
: church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord
: elder 是教会的职位 长老的意思。不一定是老年人。
: 圣经这里只是说可以这样做,并不是一定必须这样处理病人。
: 但任何基督徒都可以为病人祷告,特别是威胁生命的疾病。

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O********g
发帖数: 82
31
基督的教导: 爱人, 爱神。
我们每一个人真的在这方面很不够, 这个世界才有纷争。 如果人人都从我做起, 就
好了。
o**1
发帖数: 6383
32
你错了,英语很难的,should 是可以的意思,could 是不可以的意思。
would 是一定必须的意思。
解经是一门大学问,飞机们还得学呀。

【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: should 是可以的意思么?我认为should是不可以的意思。
:
: 告。
: the

o**1
发帖数: 6383
33
引用matrix 一句话: love is just a word.
怎么解释这个 word 才重要。
love 这个word也可以引起纷争,比如把女巫烧死,把异端烧死,也是 love God。
十字军去杀异教徒,也可以是love神,love人。

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 基督的教导: 爱人, 爱神。
: 我们每一个人真的在这方面很不够, 这个世界才有纷争。 如果人人都从我做起, 就
: 好了。

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
34
我只希望在这里的人不要装傻,也不要滥用别人对你的作为一个人的尊重。
如果你只想在这里侮辱别人的信仰的话,那你就先去治你自己的病。
基督徒说一套做一套是你的所见,你们见到谁那样了可以一件事儿一件事儿
地去指责,如果你们没有勇气去对待那些事儿,那是你们自己的问题。
我可以告诉你们在基督里能得到的是什么。是自由,是敢于接纳自己,敢于
面对一切的自由,就比如我不必因为我是基督徒就不敢告诉有些人你们说话
的方式是在侮辱我们的信仰,而且我可以告诉你在这样的状态下我们根本没
有谈话的必要。
o**1
发帖数: 6383
35
阶级斗争的弦绷的太紧了。
党的那套东西还是得去呀,信了主也没摆脱那一套斗争思维呀。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我只希望在这里的人不要装傻,也不要滥用别人对你的作为一个人的尊重。
: 如果你只想在这里侮辱别人的信仰的话,那你就先去治你自己的病。
: 基督徒说一套做一套是你的所见,你们见到谁那样了可以一件事儿一件事儿
: 地去指责,如果你们没有勇气去对待那些事儿,那是你们自己的问题。
: 我可以告诉你们在基督里能得到的是什么。是自由,是敢于接纳自己,敢于
: 面对一切的自由,就比如我不必因为我是基督徒就不敢告诉有些人你们说话
: 的方式是在侮辱我们的信仰,而且我可以告诉你在这样的状态下我们根本没
: 有谈话的必要。

q**********4
发帖数: 647
36

中文是“应该...”,英文是“should...”,这明显是一个祈使句,明显是提出的要求。
不要自欺欺人了。你真的不理解这里的中文/英文么?要不要找文法专家们裁判一下?

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 基督的教导: 爱人, 爱神。
: 我们每一个人真的在这方面很不够, 这个世界才有纷争。 如果人人都从我做起, 就
: 好了。

q**********4
发帖数: 647
37

哈哈,我不否认也不掩饰我对基督徒们的鄙视。同时,我也不需要基督徒们的尊重。
不要扯这些不相干的东西了来作为你的借口了。你为什么不敢回答问题?因为你还有一
点残存的良知和理性。
醒醒吧。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我只希望在这里的人不要装傻,也不要滥用别人对你的作为一个人的尊重。
: 如果你只想在这里侮辱别人的信仰的话,那你就先去治你自己的病。
: 基督徒说一套做一套是你的所见,你们见到谁那样了可以一件事儿一件事儿
: 地去指责,如果你们没有勇气去对待那些事儿,那是你们自己的问题。
: 我可以告诉你们在基督里能得到的是什么。是自由,是敢于接纳自己,敢于
: 面对一切的自由,就比如我不必因为我是基督徒就不敢告诉有些人你们说话
: 的方式是在侮辱我们的信仰,而且我可以告诉你在这样的状态下我们根本没
: 有谈话的必要。

q**********4
发帖数: 647
38

你配得到别人的尊重吗?你敢摸着良心回答下面的问题吗?
按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣多次大规模屠杀婴儿,请问你赞美耶和华/耶稣的这些暴行
吗?
按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣甚至还__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉,请
问你赞美耶和华/耶稣如此邪恶的行径吗?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我只希望在这里的人不要装傻,也不要滥用别人对你的作为一个人的尊重。
: 如果你只想在这里侮辱别人的信仰的话,那你就先去治你自己的病。
: 基督徒说一套做一套是你的所见,你们见到谁那样了可以一件事儿一件事儿
: 地去指责,如果你们没有勇气去对待那些事儿,那是你们自己的问题。
: 我可以告诉你们在基督里能得到的是什么。是自由,是敢于接纳自己,敢于
: 面对一切的自由,就比如我不必因为我是基督徒就不敢告诉有些人你们说话
: 的方式是在侮辱我们的信仰,而且我可以告诉你在这样的状态下我们根本没
: 有谈话的必要。

O********g
发帖数: 82
39
你所列举的我同意,但这些是信基督的人所犯的罪,而不是基督的罪。
信基督的人 也是和你我一样的人。即使信基督的人, 基督徒们,也一样是罪人
《圣经》说:“世人都犯了罪,匮缺了神的荣耀"
所以不必为基督徒的作为大惊小怪。
但如果你想认识神,耶和华,耶稣,和圣灵,这样的灵,你唯有通过祷告。你不妨祷告
祈求认识他, 或求他让你认识,知道他, 真诚的祷告, 你看什末奇妙会发生。
因为圣经里说,能认识神,不是我们认识他,而是他拣选了我们,才使我们认识他。
据说练气功到一定程度, 也会发现耶稣是光,温柔慈爱, 我无从考证, 不敢妄言。

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 引用matrix 一句话: love is just a word.
: 怎么解释这个 word 才重要。
: love 这个word也可以引起纷争,比如把女巫烧死,把异端烧死,也是 love God。
: 十字军去杀异教徒,也可以是love神,love人。

o**1
发帖数: 6383
40
那好树结好果子,坏树结坏果子。还适用吗?

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 你所列举的我同意,但这些是信基督的人所犯的罪,而不是基督的罪。
: 信基督的人 也是和你我一样的人。即使信基督的人, 基督徒们,也一样是罪人
: 《圣经》说:“世人都犯了罪,匮缺了神的荣耀"
: 所以不必为基督徒的作为大惊小怪。
: 但如果你想认识神,耶和华,耶稣,和圣灵,这样的灵,你唯有通过祷告。你不妨祷告
: 祈求认识他, 或求他让你认识,知道他, 真诚的祷告, 你看什末奇妙会发生。
: 因为圣经里说,能认识神,不是我们认识他,而是他拣选了我们,才使我们认识他。
: 据说练气功到一定程度, 也会发现耶稣是光,温柔慈爱, 我无从考证, 不敢妄言。

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q**********4
发帖数: 647
41
尊重,不是别人的施舍。你先要想想:你配得到别人的尊重么?
你敢摸着良心回答下面的问题吗?
按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣多次大规模屠杀婴儿,请问你赞美耶和华/耶稣的这些暴行
吗?
按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣甚至还__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉,请
问你赞美耶和华/耶稣如此邪恶的行径吗?
E*****m
发帖数: 25615
42
信基督的人做的好事跟基督有關嗎?
基督徒練不練氣功耶穌都光, 不信的怎麼練都不光。

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 你所列举的我同意,但这些是信基督的人所犯的罪,而不是基督的罪。
: 信基督的人 也是和你我一样的人。即使信基督的人, 基督徒们,也一样是罪人
: 《圣经》说:“世人都犯了罪,匮缺了神的荣耀"
: 所以不必为基督徒的作为大惊小怪。
: 但如果你想认识神,耶和华,耶稣,和圣灵,这样的灵,你唯有通过祷告。你不妨祷告
: 祈求认识他, 或求他让你认识,知道他, 真诚的祷告, 你看什末奇妙会发生。
: 因为圣经里说,能认识神,不是我们认识他,而是他拣选了我们,才使我们认识他。
: 据说练气功到一定程度, 也会发现耶稣是光,温柔慈爱, 我无从考证, 不敢妄言。

O********g
发帖数: 82
43
特丽莎修女算好果子吗?
如果你读过 John Taylor 家从咸丰年间进入中国,9代人在中国的所作所为。
你是义和团的吗?是洋人的都反对?joking!

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 那好树结好果子,坏树结坏果子。还适用吗?
o**1
发帖数: 6383
44
凡是好果子都算好树的功劳,凡是坏果子,都是果子自己的罪过。
这不跟党一样了,党永远光荣伟大正确,文革是四人帮的错误,党是正确的。

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 特丽莎修女算好果子吗?
: 如果你读过 John Taylor 家从咸丰年间进入中国,9代人在中国的所作所为。
: 你是义和团的吗?是洋人的都反对?joking!

E*****m
发帖数: 25615
45
你可以去做個研究, 看看特丽莎修女是不是好人再說。

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 特丽莎修女算好果子吗?
: 如果你读过 John Taylor 家从咸丰年间进入中国,9代人在中国的所作所为。
: 你是义和团的吗?是洋人的都反对?joking!

O********g
发帖数: 82
46
那非基督徒做坏事, 是哪棵树的问题呢?

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 凡是好果子都算好树的功劳,凡是坏果子,都是果子自己的罪过。
: 这不跟党一样了,党永远光荣伟大正确,文革是四人帮的错误,党是正确的。

E*****m
发帖数: 25615
47
不能怪樹, 怪他自己, 怪他爸媽, 怪他老師.....

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 那非基督徒做坏事, 是哪棵树的问题呢?
q**********4
发帖数: 647
48

非基督徒里面有好人有坏人,你同意吧?一个人是好人还是坏人,原因很多,例如,成
长的经历,教
育,个人的修养,等等。
基督徒里面也有很多的坏人,你同意吧?这说明基督教对于提升道德毫无作用嘛。
尤其是,美国监狱公布的数据:监狱里面关押的犯人中,基督徒的比例和社会上基督徒
的比例完全一
致。这就充分地说明了基督教对于提升道德毫无作用。你同意吗?

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 那非基督徒做坏事, 是哪棵树的问题呢?
q**********4
发帖数: 647
49
这位同学怎么不继续了?

中文是“应该...”,英文是“should...”,这明显是一个祈使句,明显是提出的要求。
不要自欺欺人了。你真的不理解这里的中文/英文么?要不要找文法专家们裁判一下?

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 那非基督徒做坏事, 是哪棵树的问题呢?
l*****a
发帖数: 38403
50
基督教和道德无关,这是本版几个名基的结论,没啥争议吧

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: 这位同学怎么不继续了?
:
: 中文是“应该...”,英文是“should...”,这明显是一个祈使句,明显是提出的要求。
: 不要自欺欺人了。你真的不理解这里的中文/英文么?要不要找文法专家们裁判一下?

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l*****a
发帖数: 38403
51
是should么?

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 基督的教导: 爱人, 爱神。
: 我们每一个人真的在这方面很不够, 这个世界才有纷争。 如果人人都从我做起, 就
: 好了。

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
52
历史上这么多信基督的人为了基督教犯了罪是不是因为他们没祈祷? 没圣灵带领?
观光都上来了,是观音法门说的? 别个的宗教里基督可不存在啊

【在 O********g 的大作中提到】
: 你所列举的我同意,但这些是信基督的人所犯的罪,而不是基督的罪。
: 信基督的人 也是和你我一样的人。即使信基督的人, 基督徒们,也一样是罪人
: 《圣经》说:“世人都犯了罪,匮缺了神的荣耀"
: 所以不必为基督徒的作为大惊小怪。
: 但如果你想认识神,耶和华,耶稣,和圣灵,这样的灵,你唯有通过祷告。你不妨祷告
: 祈求认识他, 或求他让你认识,知道他, 真诚的祷告, 你看什末奇妙会发生。
: 因为圣经里说,能认识神,不是我们认识他,而是他拣选了我们,才使我们认识他。
: 据说练气功到一定程度, 也会发现耶稣是光,温柔慈爱, 我无从考证, 不敢妄言。

s*******g
发帖数: 535
53
“我信聖靈;一聖基督教會,聖徒相通;罪得赦免;肉身復活;並且永生。阿門。”
天,"holy catholic church"翻译成“圣基督教会”,你的教会不严肃的程度也太惊人
了。你们
反基的竟然一个都没看出来,什么水平!

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 说起这个不能不说使徒信经,什么是信经,在教会发展的过程中,信徒越来越多,
: 为了什么目的进到教会的都有,虽然说保罗教过为了福音的兴旺,无论出于什么
: 目的传福音的都会觉得欢喜,
: 有的傳基督、是出於嫉妒分爭.也有的是出於好意.這一等、是出於愛心、知道我
: 是為辯明福音設立的.那一等傳基督、是出於結黨、並不誠實、意思要加增我捆鎖
: 的苦楚。這有何妨呢.或是假意、或是真心、無論怎樣、基督究竟被傳開了.為此
: 我就歡喜、並且還要歡喜。
: 但有些不信的传着传着就变了味道。而且不同神学思想的沿袭也造成了不同宗派在
: 神学侧重上的不同,那么用简单的话语解释信仰的原委并澄清信仰的内容就成了初
: 期大公教会一个任务,说不好听的话,信经的出现很大程度上是为了对外抵挡逼迫,

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
54
没啥大惊小怪的吧
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles'_Creed
The Lutheran Church
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
and born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.
On the third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of the Father.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,

【在 s*******g 的大作中提到】
: “我信聖靈;一聖基督教會,聖徒相通;罪得赦免;肉身復活;並且永生。阿門。”
: 天,"holy catholic church"翻译成“圣基督教会”,你的教会不严肃的程度也太惊人
: 了。你们
: 反基的竟然一个都没看出来,什么水平!

s*******g
发帖数: 535
55
“catholicam”翻译成“基督(的)”,这还是需要点想象力的。

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 没啥大惊小怪的吧
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles'_Creed
: The Lutheran Church
: I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
: maker of heaven and earth.
: And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
: who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
: and born of the virgin Mary,
: suffered under Pontius Pilate,
: was crucified, died and was buried.

y*****n
发帖数: 11251
56
魔由心生. 他的话没脏字.

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 请您嘴里放干净一点儿,先去治治你自己的病,用什么方法都行,
: 学会了说话再来。

v********2
发帖数: 516
57
Dear friend,
We actually will go to visit those who are ill, and pray for them in person,
and together with them as well. Putting oil on them is definitely not hard
to do, and our pastor sometimes does that to sick people. We consider pray
much more important than putting oil on him. because, praying, most of the
time, gives the patient strength from both inside and phycially very quick.
In Bible, especially in New Testament, you didn't see Jesus putting oil on
sick people all the time. But he did pray for them together with them, or by
himself a lot, right?
If you put oil, but you don't really want to pray for that person, or you
don't really care, then what does putting oil mean anyway?

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: “圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候邀请教会的老年人来抹油/祷告。请问
: :基督徒们是否应该遵守“圣经”“新约”的这个要求?

s*******g
发帖数: 535
58
确实很不相同。
别人为你祈祷你感受不到,你可以试试往自己额头和手心抹抹热的橄榄油的感觉,试过
就知道!

person,
hard
.
by

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Dear friend,
: We actually will go to visit those who are ill, and pray for them in person,
: and together with them as well. Putting oil on them is definitely not hard
: to do, and our pastor sometimes does that to sick people. We consider pray
: much more important than putting oil on him. because, praying, most of the
: time, gives the patient strength from both inside and phycially very quick.
: In Bible, especially in New Testament, you didn't see Jesus putting oil on
: sick people all the time. But he did pray for them together with them, or by
: himself a lot, right?
: If you put oil, but you don't really want to pray for that person, or you

h****9
发帖数: 1087
59
不要把珍珠丢给猪,恐怕它糟蹋了.

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: 这位同学怎么不继续了?
:
: 中文是“应该...”,英文是“should...”,这明显是一个祈使句,明显是提出的要求。
: 不要自欺欺人了。你真的不理解这里的中文/英文么?要不要找文法专家们裁判一下?

v********2
发帖数: 516
60
Why do others pray for you, and you cannot feel anything? Because sometimes
you cannot see changes immediately, and changes happen when Lord want them
to happen. If you don't believe in Him, and if you only want to see the
result you want, you cannot understand GOD.
He's plan, and his wisdom is so amazing, and so broad that we human being
cannot take just one moment and say, I understand Him well. You even cannot
truely understand your friend by just listening one of his words, right? Don
't judge so fast, history is not going to change, we should all be HUMBLE,
not too proud about our small wisdom, to better understand GOD and his plan.

【在 s*******g 的大作中提到】
: 确实很不相同。
: 别人为你祈祷你感受不到,你可以试试往自己额头和手心抹抹热的橄榄油的感觉,试过
: 就知道!
:
: person,
: hard
: .
: by

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o**1
发帖数: 6383
61
这个杀伤力很大,呵呵。
以后不要称什么基,非基。可以叫 猪 非猪。

【在 h****9 的大作中提到】
: 不要把珍珠丢给猪,恐怕它糟蹋了.
q**********4
发帖数: 647
62

你怎么想的不重要。重要的是:“圣经”“新约”明确要求:基督徒们生病了就该请教
会的长老来抹油/祷
告。
“圣经”“新约”的要求,你有资格/智慧判断哪些应该遵守哪些可以不遵守吗?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Why do others pray for you, and you cannot feel anything? Because sometimes
: you cannot see changes immediately, and changes happen when Lord want them
: to happen. If you don't believe in Him, and if you only want to see the
: result you want, you cannot understand GOD.
: He's plan, and his wisdom is so amazing, and so broad that we human being
: cannot take just one moment and say, I understand Him well. You even cannot
: truely understand your friend by just listening one of his words, right? Don
: 't judge so fast, history is not going to change, we should all be HUMBLE,
: not too proud about our small wisdom, to better understand GOD and his plan.

q**********4
发帖数: 647
63

“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候邀请教会的老年人来抹油/祷告。
1)这个要求是在耶稣被政府依照民主程序正法之后提出来的。
2)耶稣不这么做,并不等于你不需要这么做。按照你的信仰,耶稣是“神”,你是罪
人,能一样吗?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Why do others pray for you, and you cannot feel anything? Because sometimes
: you cannot see changes immediately, and changes happen when Lord want them
: to happen. If you don't believe in Him, and if you only want to see the
: result you want, you cannot understand GOD.
: He's plan, and his wisdom is so amazing, and so broad that we human being
: cannot take just one moment and say, I understand Him well. You even cannot
: truely understand your friend by just listening one of his words, right? Don
: 't judge so fast, history is not going to change, we should all be HUMBLE,
: not too proud about our small wisdom, to better understand GOD and his plan.

v********2
发帖数: 516
64
If some so-called "GOD" is such a simple thing that everyone can understand
so well, and everyone can say "hey, what his doing is so easy", or whatever
he did/said is so simple to understand, then everyone can be GOD, right?
Heavenly Father, the Lord, is not that easy to understand. Let's just not be
sure about "what we think" for one moment. Try to know more about history,
know more about "THE ENVIRONMENT & BACKGROUND" of the "MASS KILLING"
wriitten in the bible. You were not there, right? You didn't live in that
moment. So you were not/should not be so proud and so sure to say "What I
think of 'that moment' is right.
Please. Seriouly, please take a step back, although you think you already
know everything about HIm.
Vivian

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: 我从来不掩饰也不否认我对基督徒们的鄙视。
: 但是,我自认为是个讲道理的人。如果你能把我驳倒,我保证认错,道歉,改正。
: 请吧,不要找借口逃避问题了。

q**********4
发帖数: 647
65

你言行不一致啊!
你真的这么想吗?如果你真的这么想,那么,“圣经”“新约”的要求,即使你不理解
,你也应该照办啊。
但是,你却用你有限的智慧否定了你家主子通过“圣经”“新约”启示出来的要求:基
督徒们生病的时候应该邀请教会的老年人来抹油/祷告。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: If some so-called "GOD" is such a simple thing that everyone can understand
: so well, and everyone can say "hey, what his doing is so easy", or whatever
: he did/said is so simple to understand, then everyone can be GOD, right?
: Heavenly Father, the Lord, is not that easy to understand. Let's just not be
: sure about "what we think" for one moment. Try to know more about history,
: know more about "THE ENVIRONMENT & BACKGROUND" of the "MASS KILLING"
: wriitten in the bible. You were not there, right? You didn't live in that
: moment. So you were not/should not be so proud and so sure to say "What I
: think of 'that moment' is right.
: Please. Seriouly, please take a step back, although you think you already

q**********4
发帖数: 647
66

哈哈哈,你家主子的智慧“is so amazing, and so broad”,它通过“圣经”“新约
”启示了:
歌林多前书
14:34 妇女在会中要闭口不言,像在圣徒的众教会一样。因为不准她们说话。她们总
要顺服,正如律法所说的。
14:35 她们若要学什么,可以在家里问自己的丈夫。因为妇女在会中说话原是可耻的。
嘁哩喀喳注释:如果“圣经”的教导“永不过时”,那么,很清楚,女基们去教会统统
都要闭嘴不能说话!原因是什么呢?“因为妇女在会中说话原是可耻的”!
请问你在教会里说话吗?你遵守“圣经”的教导在教会里“闭口不言”吗?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: If some so-called "GOD" is such a simple thing that everyone can understand
: so well, and everyone can say "hey, what his doing is so easy", or whatever
: he did/said is so simple to understand, then everyone can be GOD, right?
: Heavenly Father, the Lord, is not that easy to understand. Let's just not be
: sure about "what we think" for one moment. Try to know more about history,
: know more about "THE ENVIRONMENT & BACKGROUND" of the "MASS KILLING"
: wriitten in the bible. You were not there, right? You didn't live in that
: moment. So you were not/should not be so proud and so sure to say "What I
: think of 'that moment' is right.
: Please. Seriouly, please take a step back, although you think you already

v********2
发帖数: 516
67
Honey, I didn't "否定了你家主子通过“圣经”“新约”启示出来的要求", did I?
The Lord never say "Everyone should obay every rule that I made". He sees
people's heart. Putting oil and praying are both seen as good things in His
eyes. You seriously want to help the sick people, either way will do. If you
don't do the oil, you don't pray, but you help the patient in the way you
think is good to him, that will also do.

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: 哈哈哈,你家主子的智慧“is so amazing, and so broad”,它通过“圣经”“新约
: ”启示了:
: 歌林多前书
: 14:34 妇女在会中要闭口不言,像在圣徒的众教会一样。因为不准她们说话。她们总
: 要顺服,正如律法所说的。
: 14:35 她们若要学什么,可以在家里问自己的丈夫。因为妇女在会中说话原是可耻的。
: 嘁哩喀喳注释:如果“圣经”的教导“永不过时”,那么,很清楚,女基们去教会统统
: 都要闭嘴不能说话!原因是什么呢?“因为妇女在会中说话原是可耻的”!
: 请问你在教会里说话吗?你遵守“圣经”的教导在教会里“闭口不言”吗?

q**********4
发帖数: 647
68

是啊,我不在那里。但是,这是个很简单的逻辑问题啊!
1)“圣经”描写的情节(耶和华/耶稣大规模屠杀婴儿,甚至__使__人们吃自己儿女的
肉)有没有错误?如果“圣经”的描写是错误的,那么,“圣经”没有可信度。
2)如果“圣经”的描写是可靠的,那么,基督教的“神”耶和华/耶稣大规模屠杀婴儿
甚至__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉了。对不对?
你看,不管是哪一种可能,基督教都不能自圆其说了。对吧?
你要学会思考。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Honey, I didn't "否定了你家主子通过“圣经”“新约”启示出来的要求", did I?
: The Lord never say "Everyone should obay every rule that I made". He sees
: people's heart. Putting oil and praying are both seen as good things in His
: eyes. You seriously want to help the sick people, either way will do. If you
: don't do the oil, you don't pray, but you help the patient in the way you
: think is good to him, that will also do.

q**********4
发帖数: 647
69

哈哈哈,是吗?也就是说,你认为你有权不遵守“圣经”“新约”的教导,是不是?请
你明确一下。
制定法律的时候,法律也没有明确说 "Everyone should..." or "Everyone should
not ...",by default, the law applies to everyone。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Honey, I didn't "否定了你家主子通过“圣经”“新约”启示出来的要求", did I?
: The Lord never say "Everyone should obay every rule that I made". He sees
: people's heart. Putting oil and praying are both seen as good things in His
: eyes. You seriously want to help the sick people, either way will do. If you
: don't do the oil, you don't pray, but you help the patient in the way you
: think is good to him, that will also do.

q**********4
发帖数: 647
70

问题很简单:基督徒们到底能不能理解你家主子?如果能,那么,你必须解释我提出来
的问题。如果不能,那么,基督徒们凭什么说你家主子是“慈爱公义”的呢?
你要学会思考。不要自己骗自己了。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Honey, I didn't "否定了你家主子通过“圣经”“新约”启示出来的要求", did I?
: The Lord never say "Everyone should obay every rule that I made". He sees
: people's heart. Putting oil and praying are both seen as good things in His
: eyes. You seriously want to help the sick people, either way will do. If you
: don't do the oil, you don't pray, but you help the patient in the way you
: think is good to him, that will also do.

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John 3:16给基扫盲 - Lucifer
v********2
发帖数: 516
71
In my church, as far as I know, Pastors and "Zhanglao" do come to the
patient's home, pray for them, putting hands on them, and putting oil on
their forehead (maybe not every time). But many times, the patients are in
ICU, or they are not believers, it's not very considerate to put oil on them
no matter whether they want to. Many times, the relatives of the
unbelievers, are not very polite to the Christian friends who come to visit
them. I myself always happen to meet people who are really unreasonable, or
kind of rude, to me because I am a Christian, and they attack my belief for
no good reason. In our weekly prayer meeting, people from the whole church
will come in, after work, and pray for those who have needs.
The oil putting thing is important, probably we all should do that every
time people are sick. I will consult with the pastor in my church, and see
what we did before, and what we will do in the future.

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: 问题很简单:基督徒们到底能不能理解你家主子?如果能,那么,你必须解释我提出来
: 的问题。如果不能,那么,基督徒们凭什么说你家主子是“慈爱公义”的呢?
: 你要学会思考。不要自己骗自己了。

q**********4
发帖数: 647
72

几次这样的事情不说明问题。“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候邀请教会
的老年人来抹油/祷告,绝大多数时候,基督徒们并不遵守这条要求。对不对?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: In my church, as far as I know, Pastors and "Zhanglao" do come to the
: patient's home, pray for them, putting hands on them, and putting oil on
: their forehead (maybe not every time). But many times, the patients are in
: ICU, or they are not believers, it's not very considerate to put oil on them
: no matter whether they want to. Many times, the relatives of the
: unbelievers, are not very polite to the Christian friends who come to visit
: them. I myself always happen to meet people who are really unreasonable, or
: kind of rude, to me because I am a Christian, and they attack my belief for
: no good reason. In our weekly prayer meeting, people from the whole church
: will come in, after work, and pray for those who have needs.

v********2
发帖数: 516
73
No, I didn't mean that. I never ever think I "有权不遵守“圣经”“新约”的教
导". I don't have any right to against His law. We should do as good as we
can to follow the law/rule that Jesus had for us. We really should. But we
don't, because we are so lazy to, because the condition at that moment don't
allow us to, or because we just forget to. That won't change the love from
God on us. And Christians REALLY should keep two most important rules that
GOD gave us: LOVE HIM, and LOVE OTHERS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF. God said in the
Bible that those two rules are the most important. If you do everything
from the point of those rules, that is what He want.
What do you think?

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: 几次这样的事情不说明问题。“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候邀请教会
: 的老年人来抹油/祷告,绝大多数时候,基督徒们并不遵守这条要求。对不对?

q**********4
发帖数: 647
74

好啊!那么,“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候邀请教会的老年人来抹油
/祷告,你应该遵守,对不对?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: No, I didn't mean that. I never ever think I "有权不遵守“圣经”“新约”的教
: 导". I don't have any right to against His law. We should do as good as we
: can to follow the law/rule that Jesus had for us. We really should. But we
: don't, because we are so lazy to, because the condition at that moment don't
: allow us to, or because we just forget to. That won't change the love from
: God on us. And Christians REALLY should keep two most important rules that
: GOD gave us: LOVE HIM, and LOVE OTHERS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF. God said in the
: Bible that those two rules are the most important. If you do everything
: from the point of those rules, that is what He want.
: What do you think?

q**********4
发帖数: 647
75

请参见旧帖:
“爱人如己”:基督教自欺欺人的牌坊
http://www.douban.com/group/topic/9285186/

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: No, I didn't mean that. I never ever think I "有权不遵守“圣经”“新约”的教
: 导". I don't have any right to against His law. We should do as good as we
: can to follow the law/rule that Jesus had for us. We really should. But we
: don't, because we are so lazy to, because the condition at that moment don't
: allow us to, or because we just forget to. That won't change the love from
: God on us. And Christians REALLY should keep two most important rules that
: GOD gave us: LOVE HIM, and LOVE OTHERS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF. God said in the
: Bible that those two rules are the most important. If you do everything
: from the point of those rules, that is what He want.
: What do you think?

v********2
发帖数: 516
76
Seeing your answer, I talk to myself "how great it will be if you were with
me last Friday", because out group are studying 歌林多前书 this semester.
We read a lot of articles in historical book, and found out that back to 歌
林多 Church time, Paul critize a lot about their 妇女 in 歌林多 church.
Those women wanted to be leaders/pastors of the church (there's no fault
about that actually), but they fight over the power, they talked bad things
over others, they ignored their husband and children and family, and call
themselves "sincerely doing God's Job". That's why Paul criticize them. The
verses you listed below were for "THAT SPECIFIED TIME".
What do you think?

的。

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: 请参见旧帖:
: “爱人如己”:基督教自欺欺人的牌坊
: http://www.douban.com/group/topic/9285186/

v********2
发帖数: 516
77
We follow the praying rule for always, but not the oiling rule every time.
And I think we should do that actually. I will let you know after I talk to
our 'Zhanglao" and "pastors" this Sunday.

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: 请参见旧帖:
: “爱人如己”:基督教自欺欺人的牌坊
: http://www.douban.com/group/topic/9285186/

q**********4
发帖数: 647
78
vivian1012 同学,我也曾经差点信了基督教,我也希望找到“真理”,我怀着虔诚的
追求真理的心反反复复阅读/思考“圣经”,并和牧师们讨论,挣扎了九年,我才跳出
来的。
你的这些“解释”,我也反反复复思考过。反驳起来驾轻就熟根本不用思考顺手就能反
驳。
忠告:当你感到疑惑的时候,请你倾听你的良心的声音。请你问问你自己:
按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣多次大规模屠杀婴儿,请问你赞美耶和华/耶稣的这些暴行
吗?
按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣甚至还__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉,请
问你赞美耶和华/耶稣如此邪恶的行径吗?
你的良心是怎么回答的?“赞美”?还是“不赞美”?
醒醒吧。
q**********4
发帖数: 647
79

time.
to
这个和牧师/长老无关吧?你自己努力去做不就行了?
对了,“圣经”还要求妇女在教会里“闭口不言”,你是否打算遵守啊?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: We follow the praying rule for always, but not the oiling rule every time.
: And I think we should do that actually. I will let you know after I talk to
: our 'Zhanglao" and "pastors" this Sunday.

h****9
发帖数: 1087
80
你解释一哈这是什么意思:不要把珍珠丢给猪,恐怕它糟蹋了.

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: time.
: to
: 这个和牧师/长老无关吧?你自己努力去做不就行了?
: 对了,“圣经”还要求妇女在教会里“闭口不言”,你是否打算遵守啊?

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h****9
发帖数: 1087
81
这只能证明你没有让基督占据你的心,而听任魔鬼占据你的心.有什么可值得炫耀的?

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: vivian1012 同学,我也曾经差点信了基督教,我也希望找到“真理”,我怀着虔诚的
: 追求真理的心反反复复阅读/思考“圣经”,并和牧师们讨论,挣扎了九年,我才跳出
: 来的。
: 你的这些“解释”,我也反反复复思考过。反驳起来驾轻就熟根本不用思考顺手就能反
: 驳。
: 忠告:当你感到疑惑的时候,请你倾听你的良心的声音。请你问问你自己:
: 按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣多次大规模屠杀婴儿,请问你赞美耶和华/耶稣的这些暴行
: 吗?
: 按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣甚至还__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉,请
: 问你赞美耶和华/耶稣如此邪恶的行径吗?

q**********4
发帖数: 647
82
哈哈哈,怎么,你认为“圣经”“新约”的某些要求过时了吗?

with
semester.
to 歌
fault
things
call
them. The

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Seeing your answer, I talk to myself "how great it will be if you were with
: me last Friday", because out group are studying 歌林多前书 this semester.
: We read a lot of articles in historical book, and found out that back to 歌
: 林多 Church time, Paul critize a lot about their 妇女 in 歌林多 church.
: Those women wanted to be leaders/pastors of the church (there's no fault
: about that actually), but they fight over the power, they talked bad things
: over others, they ignored their husband and children and family, and call
: themselves "sincerely doing God's Job". That's why Paul criticize them. The
: verses you listed below were for "THAT SPECIFIED TIME".
: What do you think?

v********2
发帖数: 516
83
Will you find someone tell you something that is so good, and you think you
really want to do it, and then you do it for the rest of your life,
everytime that thing should be done?
No, you won't. Because you have your own habits for a long time since you
were born. But if really think it is a good thing, and you believe in it,
you will try to follow.
Love others as you love yourself is very difficult to do. But I believe that
you can see from many Christians, from many little/big thing they do. right
? Many Christians (including Americans and Chinese) helped me so much after
I come here. Many of them didn't talk about their God during the help, many
of them just mentioned to me that "they are Christians", they never ask me
to pay back, never bother me later, and they think about me all the time
when there's a family reunion, party, food, furnitures that they think I
will like to have.
I don't think they are selfish. I can sense that they are humble. They have
good hearts to help people, and they truely believe that it's God's wish for
them to help others.
That's my little understanding about “爱人如己". Maybe you will say "they
love themselves way more than they love you. Maybe. But they are doing their
best. Because they have many other responsibilities that God gave us too.
What do you think?

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈哈,怎么,你认为“圣经”“新约”的某些要求过时了吗?
:
: with
: semester.
: to 歌
: fault
: things
: call
: them. The

h****9
发帖数: 1087
84
神经是神所默示的,不能指望人能够百分之百理解神.如果你能百分之百理解神,人和神
不就是
同一个层次了么?

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈哈,怎么,你认为“圣经”“新约”的某些要求过时了吗?
:
: with
: semester.
: to 歌
: fault
: things
: call
: them. The

q**********4
发帖数: 647
85

你根本没有阅读/思考我的帖子。
我的帖子是从“圣经”出发批判基督教的教义,而不是批判基督徒们如何如何。
“爱人如己”:基督教自欺欺人的牌坊
http://www.douban.com/group/topic/9285186/
你能不能阅读/思考一下再发言啊?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Will you find someone tell you something that is so good, and you think you
: really want to do it, and then you do it for the rest of your life,
: everytime that thing should be done?
: No, you won't. Because you have your own habits for a long time since you
: were born. But if really think it is a good thing, and you believe in it,
: you will try to follow.
: Love others as you love yourself is very difficult to do. But I believe that
: you can see from many Christians, from many little/big thing they do. right
: ? Many Christians (including Americans and Chinese) helped me so much after
: I come here. Many of them didn't talk about their God during the help, many

v********2
发帖数: 516
86
Did you see what happened at that time? Did you see what bad things people
did? Actually, sometimes when I see people murder others for money or for
power, I feel very sad because sometimes I can see animals love each other,
and protect the one they love. Sometimes I think people's behaviors, and
sins, are even worse than animals.
You were once on your way to pursue Truth. And "Evil" was so joyful when he
pull you to his side. Don't give up pursuing. You have no idea how joyful
God will be when you keep fighting with Evil.
My friends from the Baptism Class are from everywhere over Boston. One of
them was a "Seeker" for 20 years. He's a professor from Harvard. Read so
many books, knew so much. I don't believe it takes him so many years to
understand and to believe, but now I understand.

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: vivian1012 同学,我也曾经差点信了基督教,我也希望找到“真理”,我怀着虔诚的
: 追求真理的心反反复复阅读/思考“圣经”,并和牧师们讨论,挣扎了九年,我才跳出
: 来的。
: 你的这些“解释”,我也反反复复思考过。反驳起来驾轻就熟根本不用思考顺手就能反
: 驳。
: 忠告:当你感到疑惑的时候,请你倾听你的良心的声音。请你问问你自己:
: 按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣多次大规模屠杀婴儿,请问你赞美耶和华/耶稣的这些暴行
: 吗?
: 按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣甚至还__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉,请
: 问你赞美耶和华/耶稣如此邪恶的行径吗?

q**********4
发帖数: 647
87

逻辑不通。
按照你的信仰,“圣经”是你家“全知全能”的主子启示给人类的,如果人类不能理解
,你家主子启示给人
类干什么?
还有,教授写了一本小学教材,小学生读懂教材了,小学生就和教授一样了?你的脑子
是怎么了?
退一万步说,假如人类不能理解“圣经”,那么,你凭什么说你家主子是“慈爱公义”
的?

【在 h****9 的大作中提到】
: 神经是神所默示的,不能指望人能够百分之百理解神.如果你能百分之百理解神,人和神
: 不就是
: 同一个层次了么?

q**********4
发帖数: 647
88

people
这位同学,你的发言真的是莫名其妙!
我对基督教的批判,针对的是基督教的教义本身!
基督教表面讲“爱”和“宽容”,但是基督教的本质是邪恶的。这是可以很简单地论证
清楚的:
http://www.douban.com/group/topic/7399853/
我的博客详细地论证了:
1)基督教的“神”耶和华/耶稣是邪恶的
2)耶稣的牛皮是吹破了的
3)基督教所谓“耶稣在十字架上的死”是廉价的劣质的煽情闹剧
4)“圣经”上有很多基督徒们无法绕过去的相矛盾
5)科学和基督教是矛盾的
我的博客:http://truth-truth.blog.sohu.com/
欢迎你反驳我的论证。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Did you see what happened at that time? Did you see what bad things people
: did? Actually, sometimes when I see people murder others for money or for
: power, I feel very sad because sometimes I can see animals love each other,
: and protect the one they love. Sometimes I think people's behaviors, and
: sins, are even worse than animals.
: You were once on your way to pursue Truth. And "Evil" was so joyful when he
: pull you to his side. Don't give up pursuing. You have no idea how joyful
: God will be when you keep fighting with Evil.
: My friends from the Baptism Class are from everywhere over Boston. One of
: them was a "Seeker" for 20 years. He's a professor from Harvard. Read so

h****9
发帖数: 1087
89
你的主子是谁?魔鬼么?

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: people
: 这位同学,你的发言真的是莫名其妙!
: 我对基督教的批判,针对的是基督教的教义本身!
: 基督教表面讲“爱”和“宽容”,但是基督教的本质是邪恶的。这是可以很简单地论证
: 清楚的:
: http://www.douban.com/group/topic/7399853/
: 我的博客详细地论证了:
: 1)基督教的“神”耶和华/耶稣是邪恶的
: 2)耶稣的牛皮是吹破了的

v********2
发帖数: 516
90
It's not "I think", Paul wrote those letters to "Gelingduo" church, to
critize the problems they had at that time. Those critize were applicable
for that church at that time, because they had such problems. Those critize
and rules are also important for us now, because we know what should not be
done (such as fighting for powers of leaders in church). Those rules let us
to avoid doing something that God don't like. Moreover, many churches now do
have the problems that were in "Gelingduo" church. No rules in Bible should
be called "out of fashion", but some of the rules and words should be
understood considering the background and situation at that time. Does that
make some sense?
Remember, In Rome, Paul told us, Laws and Rules are for people to know sins.

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈哈,怎么,你认为“圣经”“新约”的某些要求过时了吗?
:
: with
: semester.
: to 歌
: fault
: things
: call
: them. The

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另一个较真的问题:天使为什要堕落?你对数字敏感么?
“How Art Thou Fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer!”John 11 "Jesus wept"
q**********4
发帖数: 647
91
哈哈,换个方式吧:你认为“圣经”“新约”的某些教导现在不适用了,是不是?
请你明确一下。
还有啊,再请教一个问题:“圣经”“新约”里面,保罗的书信代表的仅仅是保罗的意
思呢,还是你家主子的意思?你要想清楚了再回答。

applicable
critize
not be
let us
now do
should
that

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: It's not "I think", Paul wrote those letters to "Gelingduo" church, to
: critize the problems they had at that time. Those critize were applicable
: for that church at that time, because they had such problems. Those critize
: and rules are also important for us now, because we know what should not be
: done (such as fighting for powers of leaders in church). Those rules let us
: to avoid doing something that God don't like. Moreover, many churches now do
: have the problems that were in "Gelingduo" church. No rules in Bible should
: be called "out of fashion", but some of the rules and words should be
: understood considering the background and situation at that time. Does that
: make some sense?

v********2
发帖数: 516
92
I don't agree with that. People of course can understand God's words using
their brain. But their brain is not God's brain. You can understand to some
extent, not 100%. Maybe 100% but God never will score your understanding and
say "hey you got the answer right!", right? We can never be Him, and we don
't know if we understand fully consistent with His meaning. But we have so
many of his words to help us, so many metophores to help us. So we can
understand to some extent.
My friend, if you want, I would love to talk you through phone, even in
person if there's a chance.

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈,换个方式吧:你认为“圣经”“新约”的某些教导现在不适用了,是不是?
: 请你明确一下。
: 还有啊,再请教一个问题:“圣经”“新约”里面,保罗的书信代表的仅仅是保罗的意
: 思呢,还是你家主子的意思?你要想清楚了再回答。
:
: applicable
: critize
: not be
: let us
: now do

q**********4
发帖数: 647
93
请思考:
1)按照你的信仰,“圣经”是你家“全知全能”的主子启示给人类的,如果人类不能
理解,
你家主子启示给人类干什么?
2)你家“全知全能”的主子能不能__使__人们完全读懂“圣经”?
3)退一万步说,假如人类不能理解“圣经”,那么,你凭什么说你家主子是“慈爱公
义”
的?

using
some
understanding and
we don
have so
in

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: I don't agree with that. People of course can understand God's words using
: their brain. But their brain is not God's brain. You can understand to some
: extent, not 100%. Maybe 100% but God never will score your understanding and
: say "hey you got the answer right!", right? We can never be Him, and we don
: 't know if we understand fully consistent with His meaning. But we have so
: many of his words to help us, so many metophores to help us. So we can
: understand to some extent.
: My friend, if you want, I would love to talk you through phone, even in
: person if there's a chance.

q**********4
发帖数: 647
94

你需要的,是冷静下来好好地思考。
上面我有很多问题你都没有回答。好好地思考吧。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: I don't agree with that. People of course can understand God's words using
: their brain. But their brain is not God's brain. You can understand to some
: extent, not 100%. Maybe 100% but God never will score your understanding and
: say "hey you got the answer right!", right? We can never be Him, and we don
: 't know if we understand fully consistent with His meaning. But we have so
: many of his words to help us, so many metophores to help us. So we can
: understand to some extent.
: My friend, if you want, I would love to talk you through phone, even in
: person if there's a chance.

v********2
发帖数: 516
95
In my last message, I said "Those
critize and rules are also important for us now, because we know what should
not be done (such as fighting for powers of leaders in church). Those rules
let us to avoid doing something that God don't like. Moreover, many churches
now do have the problems that were in "Gelingduo" church. No rules in Bible
should be called "out of fashion", but some of the rules and words should be
understood considering the background and situation at that time." That
means "not applicable for now"??
Of course they are applicable, but the critize to the women are critize
specific to the problems that happened in the church at that time. We may
still have "power fighting between women leaders or men leaders" in church
now, right? Those critize and rules should applicable to those who had
those problems, not to all the women. But the rules and words still
applicable to whom have those problems. Does that make any sense??

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈,换个方式吧:你认为“圣经”“新约”的某些教导现在不适用了,是不是?
: 请你明确一下。
: 还有啊,再请教一个问题:“圣经”“新约”里面,保罗的书信代表的仅仅是保罗的意
: 思呢,还是你家主子的意思?你要想清楚了再回答。
:
: applicable
: critize
: not be
: let us
: now do

v********2
发帖数: 516
96
If we can 完全读懂“圣经" I am not sure. He gave us enough guide in Bible to
let us better understand. So I think we can understand to some extent. But
I am really not sure if we can 100% got him right. Because we are not Him,
right?
假如人类不能理解“圣经” does that mean we understand using our brain, right
? We of course can understand Bible using our brain and wisdom, and the more
you truly want to believe, the more you pray, the more you apply Bible in
your lives, you can understand better, God told us that.

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: 请思考:
: 1)按照你的信仰,“圣经”是你家“全知全能”的主子启示给人类的,如果人类不能
: 理解,
: 你家主子启示给人类干什么?
: 2)你家“全知全能”的主子能不能__使__人们完全读懂“圣经”?
: 3)退一万步说,假如人类不能理解“圣经”,那么,你凭什么说你家主子是“慈爱公
: 义”
: 的?
:
: using

v********2
发帖数: 516
97
I answered those questions. But I don't think writing is the best way to
explain 100% what I thought. I am calm, and I am polite, but you laugh at me
so many times, even though I am so seriously talking to you. And I remember
you welcome people discuss this topic to you, right?
I want to talk to you over phone, just because it's a better way for me to
express what I think. Not for other reasons.

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: 你需要的,是冷静下来好好地思考。
: 上面我有很多问题你都没有回答。好好地思考吧。

o**1
发帖数: 6383
98
哈哈,什么是神经?

【在 h****9 的大作中提到】
: 神经是神所默示的,不能指望人能够百分之百理解神.如果你能百分之百理解神,人和神
: 不就是
: 同一个层次了么?

q**********4
发帖数: 647
99

借口不成立。“圣经”“新约”要求妇女在教会里“闭口不言”,理由说得很清楚:“
妇女在会中说话原是可耻的”。
歌林多前书
14:34 妇女在会中要闭口不言,像在圣徒的众教会一样。因为不准她们说话。她们总
要顺服,正如律法所说的。
14:35 她们若要学什么,可以在家里问自己的丈夫。因为妇女在会中说话原是可耻的。
再次请你明确:你认为“圣经”“新约”的某些教导不适用于你,是不是?如果不是,
那么,你就因该遵守,对不对?
再次请问:“圣经”“新约”里面的使徒书信,代表的仅仅是使徒的意思吗?我的理解
是“按照基督教信仰,“圣经”是“全知全能”的“神”启示出来的,使徒书信代表的其
实是“神”的意思。你认为呢?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: I answered those questions. But I don't think writing is the best way to
: explain 100% what I thought. I am calm, and I am polite, but you laugh at me
: so many times, even though I am so seriously talking to you. And I remember
: you welcome people discuss this topic to you, right?
: I want to talk to you over phone, just because it's a better way for me to
: express what I think. Not for other reasons.

q**********4
发帖数: 647
100

好像没回答下面的问题吧?
忠告:当你感到疑惑的时候,请你倾听你的良心的声音。请你问问你自己:
按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣多次大规模屠杀婴儿,请问你赞美耶和华/耶稣的这些暴行
吗?
按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣甚至还__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉,请
问你赞美耶和华/耶稣如此邪恶的行径吗?
你的良心是怎么回答的?“赞美”?还是“不赞美”?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: I answered those questions. But I don't think writing is the best way to
: explain 100% what I thought. I am calm, and I am polite, but you laugh at me
: so many times, even though I am so seriously talking to you. And I remember
: you welcome people discuss this topic to you, right?
: I want to talk to you over phone, just because it's a better way for me to
: express what I think. Not for other reasons.

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q**********4
发帖数: 647
101

vivian1012 同学,如果你觉得我对你说话不够礼貌。我向你道歉。但是,我并不打
算改变我说话的方式。
做人,要坦坦荡荡。
我从来不否认也从来不掩饰我对基督徒们的鄙视。我和基督徒们说话的时候,这种态度
就表现出来了。
我的观点:信基督教的人,要么是没有认真读过“圣经”,要么是不善于思考,要么就
是骗子。前两类实际上也是受害者。我鄙视基督徒们的同时,我对基督徒们也充满了怜悯。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: I answered those questions. But I don't think writing is the best way to
: explain 100% what I thought. I am calm, and I am polite, but you laugh at me
: so many times, even though I am so seriously talking to you. And I remember
: you welcome people discuss this topic to you, right?
: I want to talk to you over phone, just because it's a better way for me to
: express what I think. Not for other reasons.

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
102
你要本就不是坦坦荡荡
你是没有礼貌,或是有病,说了你好久了,让你去看看。你就是不听。

怜悯。

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: vivian1012 同学,我也曾经差点信了基督教,我也希望找到“真理”,我怀着虔诚的
: 追求真理的心反反复复阅读/思考“圣经”,并和牧师们讨论,挣扎了九年,我才跳出
: 来的。
: 你的这些“解释”,我也反反复复思考过。反驳起来驾轻就熟根本不用思考顺手就能反
: 驳。
: 忠告:当你感到疑惑的时候,请你倾听你的良心的声音。请你问问你自己:
: 按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣多次大规模屠杀婴儿,请问你赞美耶和华/耶稣的这些暴行
: 吗?
: 按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣甚至还__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉,请
: 问你赞美耶和华/耶稣如此邪恶的行径吗?

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
103

哈哈哈,我是否有病不重要,我讲的话有没有道理才是重要的。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你要本就不是坦坦荡荡
: 你是没有礼貌,或是有病,说了你好久了,让你去看看。你就是不听。
:
: 怜悯。

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
104
改一点儿就对了,
其实你是想说我觉得我讲的话有道理才重要。

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
:
: 哈哈哈,我是否有病不重要,我讲的话有没有道理才是重要的。

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
105

呵呵,废话少说,欢迎你反驳我的论证。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 改一点儿就对了,
: 其实你是想说我觉得我讲的话有道理才重要。

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
106
也希望你思考并回答我提出的问题

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
:
: 呵呵,废话少说,欢迎你反驳我的论证。

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
107

你的问题我思考得清清楚楚。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 也希望你思考并回答我提出的问题
v********2
发帖数: 516
108
Dear friend, one last question for you, then I am not gonna bother you more.
If some one who helped you, and be your sincere friend, and he/she is decent
man/woman in your eyes, but she/he never told you whether he believes
anything, will you "BI SHI" him the same way you "BI SHI" Christians?
Please think a little bit over this question. And you don't need to really
answer me. This is just a question for you.
Thanks.
Nice talking to you

怜悯。

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
: vivian1012 同学,我也曾经差点信了基督教,我也希望找到“真理”,我怀着虔诚的
: 追求真理的心反反复复阅读/思考“圣经”,并和牧师们讨论,挣扎了九年,我才跳出
: 来的。
: 你的这些“解释”,我也反反复复思考过。反驳起来驾轻就熟根本不用思考顺手就能反
: 驳。
: 忠告:当你感到疑惑的时候,请你倾听你的良心的声音。请你问问你自己:
: 按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣多次大规模屠杀婴儿,请问你赞美耶和华/耶稣的这些暴行
: 吗?
: 按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣甚至还__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉,请
: 问你赞美耶和华/耶稣如此邪恶的行径吗?

h*****n
发帖数: 2415
109
我也回答一下。我会看他/她生病了是不是去教会抹油,来决定是否鄙视。

more.
decent

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Dear friend, one last question for you, then I am not gonna bother you more.
: If some one who helped you, and be your sincere friend, and he/she is decent
: man/woman in your eyes, but she/he never told you whether he believes
: anything, will you "BI SHI" him the same way you "BI SHI" Christians?
: Please think a little bit over this question. And you don't need to really
: answer me. This is just a question for you.
: Thanks.
: Nice talking to you
:
: 怜悯。

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
110
这个问题还需要思考吗?如果我不知道这个“someone”心里想什么,我自然不会鄙视
他/她。
但是,我鄙视基督徒们。这不矛盾吧?你为什么不回答下面的问题呢?
按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣多次大规模屠杀婴儿,请问你赞美耶和华/耶稣的这些暴行
吗?
按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣甚至还__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉,请
问你赞美耶和
华/耶稣如此邪恶的行径吗?
你的良心是怎么回答这些问题的?“赞美”?还是“不赞美”?
你没有bother我。

more.
decent
really

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Dear friend, one last question for you, then I am not gonna bother you more.
: If some one who helped you, and be your sincere friend, and he/she is decent
: man/woman in your eyes, but she/he never told you whether he believes
: anything, will you "BI SHI" him the same way you "BI SHI" Christians?
: Please think a little bit over this question. And you don't need to really
: answer me. This is just a question for you.
: Thanks.
: Nice talking to you
:
: 怜悯。

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l*******e
发帖数: 3584
111
我真觉得你还是别闹了,我可以告诉你,这“赞美”你说的这个神,这你能接受吗?
如果你真心地与大家讨论,你会发现这个神不是你说的这个样子的。

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: 这个问题还需要思考吗?如果我不知道这个“someone”心里想什么,我自然不会鄙视
: 他/她。
: 但是,我鄙视基督徒们。这不矛盾吧?你为什么不回答下面的问题呢?
: 按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣多次大规模屠杀婴儿,请问你赞美耶和华/耶稣的这些暴行
: 吗?
: 按照“圣经”,耶和华/耶稣甚至还__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉,请
: 问你赞美耶和
: 华/耶稣如此邪恶的行径吗?
: 你的良心是怎么回答这些问题的?“赞美”?还是“不赞美”?
: 你没有bother我。

w*********r
发帖数: 3382
112
"你会发现这个神不是你说的这个样子的"
what is he like really?
just answer me this, are those words qilikacha quoted the words of the
christian god? yes or no?
if yes, how can you justify this christian god is really a loving and caring
god?
if you have trouble explaining it, just say you don't know. we understand.
whether someone or some god is loving, caring or not need to be supported by
his/her actions, don't you agree?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我真觉得你还是别闹了,我可以告诉你,这“赞美”你说的这个神,这你能接受吗?
: 如果你真心地与大家讨论,你会发现这个神不是你说的这个样子的。

v********2
发帖数: 516
113
I answered you the questions several times. I won't say "Zanmei" because he
killed those infants. But I understand he did it because people have sins.
We have done something wrong, have we? I don't "Zanmei", I "Understand". Do
I answer clear this time?
"这个问题还需要思考吗?如果我不知道这个“someone”心里想什么,我自然不会鄙视
还需要思考吗". Because
"someone” help others, love others, for the reason that they think they
should do, and they really sincerely help others, for no selp benefit reason
. And you think it's reasonable to "Bi SHI" those people just because they
do pure good things to glorify their God? Can you really think about my
question and answer it?
l*******e
发帖数: 3584
114
你的问题可以解释为你对我愿意赞美这件事儿不能接受吗?
我在另一个贴子里试图在解释你的问题。就贴过来吧。
“”“”“”“”“
我也没有否认在圣经里有这样的记载,从上下文看你们也看不出有什么转折或是后文
我还是在问一个问题,如果圣经只是人编的话,那为什么不把这些编得圆一点儿?
难道二千多年了你们是第一批提这些问题的人吗?那么多基督徒就没有看到过这些吗?
所以我讲圣经到底记录了很,告诉了人类什么才是回答你们问题最重要的环节。
”“”“”“”“”“
你们没有发现吗?无论基督徒谈些什么,你们都是把问题谈回到这几个问题
上,而后大家不说话了,你们就觉得有理了。

caring
understand.
supported by

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈,什么是神经?
o**1
发帖数: 6383
115
你没有解释呀,为什么杀婴屠城,为什么嘲笑秃头就要撕裂,等等的行为也是值得赞美
的。
你根本没有解释,只是反问。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你的问题可以解释为你对我愿意赞美这件事儿不能接受吗?
: 我在另一个贴子里试图在解释你的问题。就贴过来吧。
: “”“”“”“”“
: 我也没有否认在圣经里有这样的记载,从上下文看你们也看不出有什么转折或是后文
: 我还是在问一个问题,如果圣经只是人编的话,那为什么不把这些编得圆一点儿?
: 难道二千多年了你们是第一批提这些问题的人吗?那么多基督徒就没有看到过这些吗?
: 所以我讲圣经到底记录了很,告诉了人类什么才是回答你们问题最重要的环节。
: ”“”“”“”“”“
: 你们没有发现吗?无论基督徒谈些什么,你们都是把问题谈回到这几个问题
: 上,而后大家不说话了,你们就觉得有理了。

w*********r
发帖数: 3382
116
why it is so hard for you to just reply yes or no? did him or did he not?
answer me.
of course we are not the first to ask these questions, we didn't claim to be
. but what amazes us is that, even knowing what he did, or what he made men
did, christians still worship him nonetheless.
you can quote a thousand things in the bible that dignify the god but you
can not disprove the atrocities he caused, can you? are those babies killed,
directly or indirectly by the "god"? the answer is yes, yes, yes.
"你们没有发现吗?无论基督徒谈些什么,你们都是把问题谈回到这几个问题
上,而后大家不说话了,你们就觉得有理了。"
yes i did. it is funny you bring this up. can you tell me why you christians
become wordless? why don't you just admit that you were struggling in the
paradox between your sanity and your "belief"?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你的问题可以解释为你对我愿意赞美这件事儿不能接受吗?
: 我在另一个贴子里试图在解释你的问题。就贴过来吧。
: “”“”“”“”“
: 我也没有否认在圣经里有这样的记载,从上下文看你们也看不出有什么转折或是后文
: 我还是在问一个问题,如果圣经只是人编的话,那为什么不把这些编得圆一点儿?
: 难道二千多年了你们是第一批提这些问题的人吗?那么多基督徒就没有看到过这些吗?
: 所以我讲圣经到底记录了很,告诉了人类什么才是回答你们问题最重要的环节。
: ”“”“”“”“”“
: 你们没有发现吗?无论基督徒谈些什么,你们都是把问题谈回到这几个问题
: 上,而后大家不说话了,你们就觉得有理了。

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
117
可不可以这样说很多问题不是YES或是NO可以解决的,
你的问题真的是很好,你能帮助我们也帮助你自己想想这个问题吗?
even knowing what he did, or what he made men
did, christians still worship him nonetheless.
但我可以告诉你的是我们敬拜神绝对不是因为我们没有想到过这些问题。
w*********r
发帖数: 3382
118
that's why i say you are struggling in the paradox between your sanity and
your "belief".
so you know what he did, and you know that's utterly cruel, but you accept
it, you deny there is anything wrong with it, isn't that it?
how am i ever able to get the answer to this question? I AM NOT YOU!
only you can answer this question but you never did, DID YOU?
now since you admit this is a good question, then give me a clear answer now
, once and for all!
and i beg you not circling around praising how good he is, because you just
admit that you actually KNOW the atrocities he did, did you??

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 可不可以这样说很多问题不是YES或是NO可以解决的,
: 你的问题真的是很好,你能帮助我们也帮助你自己想想这个问题吗?
: even knowing what he did, or what he made men
: did, christians still worship him nonetheless.
: 但我可以告诉你的是我们敬拜神绝对不是因为我们没有想到过这些问题。

v********2
发帖数: 516
119
Those Questions you ask, the answer is Yes. All the killings God did that
were written in the Bible were true. I won't "praise" Him because he killed
people. I understand why he did that.
Can you imagine if you have a son you love, and you gave him everything, and
he received and accept whatever you gave him, then he doesn't admit he knew
you. He called someone else "Father". You tried millions of times to get
him back, he won't. You are sad inside, are you?
You are mad, are you?
If you don't care, you don't love him then. God love, people, on the other
hand, do all the bad things trying to deny God exist, and try to worship the
other evils. So He punished people. Why would those be so hard for you to
understand?
In Bible, God never say "love is 'no punishment'". Without punishment, many
kids won't go to the right direction after they make mistake, right?

now
just

【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: that's why i say you are struggling in the paradox between your sanity and
: your "belief".
: so you know what he did, and you know that's utterly cruel, but you accept
: it, you deny there is anything wrong with it, isn't that it?
: how am i ever able to get the answer to this question? I AM NOT YOU!
: only you can answer this question but you never did, DID YOU?
: now since you admit this is a good question, then give me a clear answer now
: , once and for all!
: and i beg you not circling around praising how good he is, because you just
: admit that you actually KNOW the atrocities he did, did you??

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
120
如果我没有过疑问,那是骗人的,为什么有了疑问我还能接受,而且很多基督
徒是与你一样有思想能力的人,为什么他们也选择了接受,你应该好好问问自
己。如果想知道的话,就要去研究,这个问题不是我能告诉你答案的。

and
accept
answer now
just

【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: that's why i say you are struggling in the paradox between your sanity and
: your "belief".
: so you know what he did, and you know that's utterly cruel, but you accept
: it, you deny there is anything wrong with it, isn't that it?
: how am i ever able to get the answer to this question? I AM NOT YOU!
: only you can answer this question but you never did, DID YOU?
: now since you admit this is a good question, then give me a clear answer now
: , once and for all!
: and i beg you not circling around praising how good he is, because you just
: admit that you actually KNOW the atrocities he did, did you??

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o**1
发帖数: 6383
121
God 还会 mad 呀。
你这个解释还是不通的,那些小婴儿还不懂worship什么evil吧。不是一样杀掉了。
另外,按照本版主流观点,God 早就知道这些人去worship别的神了,而且还是创世纪
之前就在小本子上记上了,上帝都给他们计划好了。上帝把路都给这些人铺好了,结果
这些人按照这个路走,上帝却 Mad 了,然后杀掉他。自己跟自己玩这种游戏很有意思
吗?

killed
and
knew
the
many
and
accept

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Those Questions you ask, the answer is Yes. All the killings God did that
: were written in the Bible were true. I won't "praise" Him because he killed
: people. I understand why he did that.
: Can you imagine if you have a son you love, and you gave him everything, and
: he received and accept whatever you gave him, then he doesn't admit he knew
: you. He called someone else "Father". You tried millions of times to get
: him back, he won't. You are sad inside, are you?
: You are mad, are you?
: If you don't care, you don't love him then. God love, people, on the other
: hand, do all the bad things trying to deny God exist, and try to worship the

v********2
发帖数: 516
122
Killing infants, people, pets and all the living lives, means God is mad. He
destroyed what he created. Why would that be so hard to understood??
"撕裂" in Greek (the language that Bible was written in) means punished.
Whenver you do something that is wrong (not have to be big mistakes), there'
s a punishment soon or later for you. You may not notice that, but that is
true.
Did I answer your question?

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 你没有解释呀,为什么杀婴屠城,为什么嘲笑秃头就要撕裂,等等的行为也是值得赞美
: 的。
: 你根本没有解释,只是反问。

o**1
发帖数: 6383
123
你也忒能推三阻四了。别人看了那些杀婴屠城的就不信的。
你们看了还是信,为什么看了还能接受,当然得是能接受的人来回答了。
你为什么看了还能接受,怎么这个问题不是你能告诉答案的呢?你自己怎么想的,怎么
接受的说一下不就完了。
老是推三阻四,让人鄙视。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 如果我没有过疑问,那是骗人的,为什么有了疑问我还能接受,而且很多基督
: 徒是与你一样有思想能力的人,为什么他们也选择了接受,你应该好好问问自
: 己。如果想知道的话,就要去研究,这个问题不是我能告诉你答案的。
:
: and
: accept
: answer now
: just

o**1
发帖数: 6383
124
毁掉自己造的东西,这个可以理解。但是好像和公义慈爱不太沾边吧。小婴儿并没有犯
罪。你只能说上帝因为本事大,所以想干啥干啥。不要说什么公义。
呵呵,你是瞎编的吗?撕裂是punished的意思?谁翻译成中文的呀?太离谱了。
另外,圣经是说熊来撕裂,不是上帝来撕裂。熊也能出来 punish 童子?这熊太智慧了
,我以为野兽只会撕裂咬烂呢,原来还会 punishe 童子。

He
there'
赞美

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Killing infants, people, pets and all the living lives, means God is mad. He
: destroyed what he created. Why would that be so hard to understood??
: "撕裂" in Greek (the language that Bible was written in) means punished.
: Whenver you do something that is wrong (not have to be big mistakes), there'
: s a punishment soon or later for you. You may not notice that, but that is
: true.
: Did I answer your question?

v********2
发帖数: 516
125
If God doesn't know Mad, how could he know how to create a man/woman that
knows mad??
God is "Completed", so he has mood. He was sad for what people is doing. He
was also mad that people don't love him back (Before he punish them, but
after He created them and gave tham all the best things).
Pay attention to the following:
The whole point of the (you called) "Not So Interesting Plan" that God made
is (Written in the last book of Bible): God planed all those in order to let
those who believe and worship Him go to heaven together with him, and get
all the glory. Every one would get judged in the last Judgment, right? He
used bible(including the killing part!), and many many Christian's story
around you, to let you know, you go with him, he will love you way more than
you love him. If you don't go with him, or deny his exist, or worship other
God, He will give you punishment at the Final Judge. That's the whole point.
The Questions you had, the the metophore you made below, the answer was easy
and sure: God plans for the whole "story)--from the creation of world to
the end of the world--before he created everything. "上帝把路都给这些人铺好
了,结果这些人按照这个路走,上帝却 Mad 了,然后杀掉他。" is because he tells
them those stuff that were not supposed to do before people were born, and
he planed good things, bad things for each people's live, in order to let
people know how he behave, and how to be with him under each situation. He
want people to "GO THROUGH THOSE DIFFERENT SITUATION TOGETHER WITH HIM".

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: God 还会 mad 呀。
: 你这个解释还是不通的,那些小婴儿还不懂worship什么evil吧。不是一样杀掉了。
: 另外,按照本版主流观点,God 早就知道这些人去worship别的神了,而且还是创世纪
: 之前就在小本子上记上了,上帝都给他们计划好了。上帝把路都给这些人铺好了,结果
: 这些人按照这个路走,上帝却 Mad 了,然后杀掉他。自己跟自己玩这种游戏很有意思
: 吗?
:
: killed
: and
: knew

w*********r
发帖数: 3382
126
"Those Questions you ask, the answer is Yes. All the killings God did that
were written in the Bible were true. I won't "praise" Him because he killed
people. I understand why he did that."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
bravo, i bet a lot christians will fight tooth and nails with you over this.
but i am glad you said it. and by admitting this, i guess you agree that,
at least on this matter, you can not stand on the same side with this god,
right? then what make him so perfect? what makes him god? why not question
other things in the bible? let's start from an easy one, woman made out of
man's rib? are you on the same side with him? earth less than 10000 years
old, are you on the same side with him? if you continue to find more
disagreement with him, then maybe the question for you is, do you really
want to settle for christianity? and now let's see how you understand why he
did this.
"Can you imagine if you have a son you love, and you gave him everything,
and he received and accept whatever you gave him, then he doesn't admit he
knew you. He called someone else "Father". You tried millions of times to
get him back, he won't. You are sad inside, are you? You are mad, are you?"
so this is your answer, god is mad, and that gives him the right to kill
babies? is that it? i am sure you don't apply this logic on human, but with
god, this logic works, is that what you believe?
"I you don't care, you don't love him then. God love, people, on the other
hand, do all the bad things trying to deny God exist, and try to worship the
other evils. So He punished people. Why would those be so hard for you to
understand?"
the little babies deserve the punishment? the sleeping infants, dead,
because his/her parents believed in something else?
let's say god's wrath comes again, can you accept him killing hindu babies?
atheist babies? or say, my babies?
在 vivian1012 (妞妞) 的大作中提到: 】
killed
and
knew
the
v********2
发帖数: 516
127
小婴儿并没有犯罪, that's not true. Let me ask you, did you ever see a baby
being jealous to other's toy and try to fight for those toys, and they cry
for not getting those toys? Who taught them to be jealous? Let me ask you
this, who taught you, for the first time, to be jealous? Or mad? Nobody,
right? Sins like jealousy were inherited from Adams and Ava when they first
had sins.
你只能说上帝因为本事大,所以想干啥干啥。不要说什么公义。He was not like that
. He alerted you, reminded you, told you, wrote it down about what He didn't
want you to do. You still do them (Including denying and saying bad of Him)
, He then punish you. Did God punish People for no reason?? CAn you answer
me that? No you can't. Because God never punish people for no reason.

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 毁掉自己造的东西,这个可以理解。但是好像和公义慈爱不太沾边吧。小婴儿并没有犯
: 罪。你只能说上帝因为本事大,所以想干啥干啥。不要说什么公义。
: 呵呵,你是瞎编的吗?撕裂是punished的意思?谁翻译成中文的呀?太离谱了。
: 另外,圣经是说熊来撕裂,不是上帝来撕裂。熊也能出来 punish 童子?这熊太智慧了
: ,我以为野兽只会撕裂咬烂呢,原来还会 punishe 童子。
:
: He
: there'
: 赞美

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
128

怎么不是?“圣经”白纸黑字写着的。。。。。。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我真觉得你还是别闹了,我可以告诉你,这“赞美”你说的这个神,这你能接受吗?
: 如果你真心地与大家讨论,你会发现这个神不是你说的这个样子的。

w*********r
发帖数: 3382
129
as usual, you dodge the question
why? because you don't know the answer
and you are subconsciously ignoring the paradox
it sucks does it? when you failed to answer something you should know better
? you must be in great psychological pain for failing to justify your own
belief...
pity, contempt is all you deserve for answering the question like this

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 如果我没有过疑问,那是骗人的,为什么有了疑问我还能接受,而且很多基督
: 徒是与你一样有思想能力的人,为什么他们也选择了接受,你应该好好问问自
: 己。如果想知道的话,就要去研究,这个问题不是我能告诉你答案的。
:
: and
: accept
: answer now
: just

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
130

he
sins.
Do
很好!也就是说,你家主子干的有些事情你并不赞美,是不是?请你明确一下。
如果是这样,我建议你和你的牧师再讨论讨论。呵呵。
其次,你“理解”,你怎么“理解”的?人犯罪,谁犯了罪?是那些被屠杀的婴儿们犯
了罪吗?如果不是,
那么,你家主子屠杀那些婴儿干什么呢?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: I answered you the questions several times. I won't say "Zanmei" because he
: killed those infants. But I understand he did it because people have sins.
: We have done something wrong, have we? I don't "Zanmei", I "Understand". Do
: I answer clear this time?
: "这个问题还需要思考吗?如果我不知道这个“someone”心里想什么,我自然不会鄙视
: 还需要思考吗". Because
: "someone” help others, love others, for the reason that they think they
: should do, and they really sincerely help others, for no selp benefit reason
: . And you think it's reasonable to "Bi SHI" those people just because they
: do pure good things to glorify their God? Can you really think about my

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q**********5
发帖数: 2181
131

Because
they
reason
they
my
这个问题很简单啊!
你说行善,是吧?是的,基督徒们的确做过一些善事,这能说明什么问题呢?别的宗教
例如佛教徒做不做善事?无神论者有没有做善事?那你为什么认为别的宗教都是“谬误”
而只有你的信仰是“唯一真理”呢?
明白了吗?
你要学会思考。
我鄙视基督徒们,并不是鄙视基督徒们行善。行善是要表扬的。我鄙视基督徒们,是因
为基督徒们崇拜一个邪恶的“神”耶和华/耶稣(这是丧失良知),是因为基督徒们拒绝
尊重史实/证据(这是丧失理性)。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 小婴儿并没有犯罪, that's not true. Let me ask you, did you ever see a baby
: being jealous to other's toy and try to fight for those toys, and they cry
: for not getting those toys? Who taught them to be jealous? Let me ask you
: this, who taught you, for the first time, to be jealous? Or mad? Nobody,
: right? Sins like jealousy were inherited from Adams and Ava when they first
: had sins.
: 你只能说上帝因为本事大,所以想干啥干啥。不要说什么公义。He was not like that
: . He alerted you, reminded you, told you, wrote it down about what He didn't
: want you to do. You still do them (Including denying and saying bad of Him)
: , He then punish you. Did God punish People for no reason?? CAn you answer

q**********5
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很简单:人们编造“圣经”“旧约”的时候,这些事情是可以接受的,符合那时候的道
德观。
比如“出埃及记”,埃及法老杀了很多以色列男婴,于是就编造耶和华来杀埃及人的婴
儿。
明白了吗?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 如果我没有过疑问,那是骗人的,为什么有了疑问我还能接受,而且很多基督
: 徒是与你一样有思想能力的人,为什么他们也选择了接受,你应该好好问问自
: 己。如果想知道的话,就要去研究,这个问题不是我能告诉你答案的。
:
: and
: accept
: answer now
: just

q**********5
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133

人性的弱点:贪婪和恐惧。对死亡的恐惧和对“永生”的贪婪使得基督徒们丧失了良知
和理性。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 如果我没有过疑问,那是骗人的,为什么有了疑问我还能接受,而且很多基督
: 徒是与你一样有思想能力的人,为什么他们也选择了接受,你应该好好问问自
: 己。如果想知道的话,就要去研究,这个问题不是我能告诉你答案的。
:
: and
: accept
: answer now
: just

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
134

and
knew
get
你说这个话,一看就知道你没有做过父母。
如果有这样的儿子,我会包容他,继续爱他。他是否承认我是他的父亲这并不重要,只
要他过得快乐就行。当然,如果他干坏事,那么,我有责任教育他。但是,我永远不可
能采取把他往死里打的教育方法。
你的比喻还有一点很荒谬:如果一个父亲从来不敢在他的儿子的面前现身,和他说话,
那么他的儿子不承认他也是正常的。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 小婴儿并没有犯罪, that's not true. Let me ask you, did you ever see a baby
: being jealous to other's toy and try to fight for those toys, and they cry
: for not getting those toys? Who taught them to be jealous? Let me ask you
: this, who taught you, for the first time, to be jealous? Or mad? Nobody,
: right? Sins like jealousy were inherited from Adams and Ava when they first
: had sins.
: 你只能说上帝因为本事大,所以想干啥干啥。不要说什么公义。He was not like that
: . He alerted you, reminded you, told you, wrote it down about what He didn't
: want you to do. You still do them (Including denying and saying bad of Him)
: , He then punish you. Did God punish People for no reason?? CAn you answer

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
135

哈哈哈!你为什么选择接受?奇怪了,这个问题你为什么不能说说?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 如果我没有过疑问,那是骗人的,为什么有了疑问我还能接受,而且很多基督
: 徒是与你一样有思想能力的人,为什么他们也选择了接受,你应该好好问问自
: 己。如果想知道的话,就要去研究,这个问题不是我能告诉你答案的。
:
: and
: accept
: answer now
: just

q**********5
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136

mad. He
当然很难理解了。
你要搞清楚:“主权”和“道德”是两回事!例如,“朱门酒肉臭,路有冻死骨”,富
翁们如何处理自己的财富是他们的“主权”,但是,看见“路有冻死骨”而不作为就是道德问题了。
同样,就算你家主子创造了一切,那也就是“主权”问题,但是他大规模屠杀婴儿甚至
有意地主动地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉这样的行径还是邪恶的。
懂不懂?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Killing infants, people, pets and all the living lives, means God is mad. He
: destroyed what he created. Why would that be so hard to understood??
: "撕裂" in Greek (the language that Bible was written in) means punished.
: Whenver you do something that is wrong (not have to be big mistakes), there'
: s a punishment soon or later for you. You may not notice that, but that is
: true.
: Did I answer your question?

w*********r
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
we probably missed this, maybe liufanghe already admit they christians don't
know the answer. if not why asking for help?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 可不可以这样说很多问题不是YES或是NO可以解决的,
: 你的问题真的是很好,你能帮助我们也帮助你自己想想这个问题吗?
: even knowing what he did, or what he made men
: did, christians still worship him nonetheless.
: 但我可以告诉你的是我们敬拜神绝对不是因为我们没有想到过这些问题。

q**********5
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138

cry
很好!请问:婴儿犯的这些“罪”是死罪吗?
如果是,那么,你家主子为什么不把所有的婴儿都杀死呢?
如果不是死罪,那么,你家主子屠杀那些婴儿干什么呢?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 小婴儿并没有犯罪, that's not true. Let me ask you, did you ever see a baby
: being jealous to other's toy and try to fight for those toys, and they cry
: for not getting those toys? Who taught them to be jealous? Let me ask you
: this, who taught you, for the first time, to be jealous? Or mad? Nobody,
: right? Sins like jealousy were inherited from Adams and Ava when they first
: had sins.
: 你只能说上帝因为本事大,所以想干啥干啥。不要说什么公义。He was not like that
: . He alerted you, reminded you, told you, wrote it down about what He didn't
: want you to do. You still do them (Including denying and saying bad of Him)
: , He then punish you. Did God punish People for no reason?? CAn you answer

w*********r
发帖数: 3382
139

Oh man it is just fantastic! look at the logic here, what can i say?
you, liufanghe, a christian, want me, a non-christian, to help figure out
why you believe in christianity?
what is your problem?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 可不可以这样说很多问题不是YES或是NO可以解决的,
: 你的问题真的是很好,你能帮助我们也帮助你自己想想这个问题吗?
: even knowing what he did, or what he made men
: did, christians still worship him nonetheless.
: 但我可以告诉你的是我们敬拜神绝对不是因为我们没有想到过这些问题。

q**********5
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vivian1012 同学,请你回去认真看看我们的对话。你的“解释”我都反驳了。如果有
我漏过去的,请你指出来。
我相信你是真诚的,我也相信你是追求真和善的,但是,这并不能说明你的信仰不是邪
恶的。
我想,红卫兵们当年也是真心地想为这个国家好,但是结果呢?光有真诚是不够的。
忠告:没有理性的信仰是盲目的。
希望你认真思考。
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l*******e
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我清楚自己为什么会相信,你们不是说要帮我们想清楚我们信的是什么吗?
你们不是断章取义又是什么,这样做很无聊的。

out

【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
:
: Oh man it is just fantastic! look at the logic here, what can i say?
: you, liufanghe, a christian, want me, a non-christian, to help figure out
: why you believe in christianity?
: what is your problem?

q**********5
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142

不要光是喊口号好不好?我哪里“断章取义”了?再次恳请你拿出上下文来给大家分析
一下。
做人,诚实一点行不行?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我清楚自己为什么会相信,你们不是说要帮我们想清楚我们信的是什么吗?
: 你们不是断章取义又是什么,这样做很无聊的。
:
: out

l*******e
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你自己去读我的每一个回复,看看我说的帮助分析清楚是指的什么

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
:
: 不要光是喊口号好不好?我哪里“断章取义”了?再次恳请你拿出上下文来给大家分析
: 一下。
: 做人,诚实一点行不行?

q**********5
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144

你的每一个回复我都读了,还是不明白我哪里“断章取义”了。
还是麻烦你拿出上下文来分析一下,我是怎么理解的,实际应该怎么理解,是吧?
请啊!

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你自己去读我的每一个回复,看看我说的帮助分析清楚是指的什么
v********2
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145
你有很多地方,我觉得说的确实是比较偏颇。比如你反复提到小婴儿没有犯罪,他们为
什么被杀。我之
前英文问了很多问题给你,你可能没有仔细读,这里我再问你一个问题。你还记得你第
一次心里嫉妒别
人是大约什么时候吗?你的父母在那以前有没有教你怎么嫉妒?如果他们没有教你,别
人也没有教你,
你怎么学会嫉妒的呢?婴儿没有杀人放火,但是罪性是从亚当夏娃继承的。人的罪性,
你如果不承认,
我们其他的问题都没有办法谈,因为你如果不承认罪性,就没有办法明白神的很多教导
了。

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: vivian1012 同学,请你回去认真看看我们的对话。你的“解释”我都反驳了。如果有
: 我漏过去的,请你指出来。
: 我相信你是真诚的,我也相信你是追求真和善的,但是,这并不能说明你的信仰不是邪
: 恶的。
: 我想,红卫兵们当年也是真心地想为这个国家好,但是结果呢?光有真诚是不够的。
: 忠告:没有理性的信仰是盲目的。
: 希望你认真思考。

w*********r
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what!!?? let's look back at what we said this afternoon
Quote

endQuote
here you asked me to help you, and help myself, think about this question,
right?
what question? the question is "why christians still worship the christian
god even after knowing what he did (baby killing, genocide, etc, thanks to
vivian, who confirmed these atrocities really happened.)"
and i replied saying that "how would i ever be able to find the answer"
since the people who believed is you! not me! then i asked you to provide
the clear answer now, regarding the question, in short "why you believe".
right?
then what you said?? let's see
Quote
"如果我没有过疑问,那是骗人的,为什么有了疑问我还能接受,而且很多基督
徒是与你一样有思想能力的人,为什么他们也选择了接受,你应该好好问问自
己。如果想知道的话,就要去研究,这个问题不是我能告诉你答案的。"
endQuote
you are still asking me! asking me to figure out why you, christians believe
what you believe. if this is not dodging the question, then what is??? are
you losing your mind??
why can't you just stand up and defend your belief with some degree of
intellect and articulation??!!

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 可不可以这样说很多问题不是YES或是NO可以解决的,
: 你的问题真的是很好,你能帮助我们也帮助你自己想想这个问题吗?
: even knowing what he did, or what he made men
: did, christians still worship him nonetheless.
: 但我可以告诉你的是我们敬拜神绝对不是因为我们没有想到过这些问题。

w*********r
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发信人: whitespider (gogolala), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: Re: 基督徒都信什么
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 18:27:09 2010, 美东)
as usual, you dodge the question
why? because you don't know the answer
and you are subconsciously ignoring the paradox
it sucks does it? when you failed to answer something you should know better
? you must be in great psychological pain for failing to justify your own
belief...
pity, contempt is all you deserve for answering the question like this

i will make sure you see yourself embarrassing yourself.
again, answer the questions with some degree of intellect and articulation,
if you have any!

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 如果我没有过疑问,那是骗人的,为什么有了疑问我还能接受,而且很多基督
: 徒是与你一样有思想能力的人,为什么他们也选择了接受,你应该好好问问自
: 己。如果想知道的话,就要去研究,这个问题不是我能告诉你答案的。
:
: and
: accept
: answer now
: just

q**********5
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148
不,恰恰相反,我承认“罪性”。当然,我说的“罪性”和你说的不一样。我说的“罪
性”是指人性中这
些不好的东西,比如你说的嫉妒。
现在的问题是:婴儿们的“罪性”是死罪吗?如果这就是你家主子耶和华/耶稣屠杀这
些婴儿们的理由
的话,那么,请问:别的婴儿你家主子为什么不杀呢?
明白了吗?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 你有很多地方,我觉得说的确实是比较偏颇。比如你反复提到小婴儿没有犯罪,他们为
: 什么被杀。我之
: 前英文问了很多问题给你,你可能没有仔细读,这里我再问你一个问题。你还记得你第
: 一次心里嫉妒别
: 人是大约什么时候吗?你的父母在那以前有没有教你怎么嫉妒?如果他们没有教你,别
: 人也没有教你,
: 你怎么学会嫉妒的呢?婴儿没有杀人放火,但是罪性是从亚当夏娃继承的。人的罪性,
: 你如果不承认,
: 我们其他的问题都没有办法谈,因为你如果不承认罪性,就没有办法明白神的很多教导
: 了。

o**1
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149
know 和真正去干是两回事吧。人会吃喝嫖赌坑蒙拐骗,上帝也会干?

He
made
let

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: If God doesn't know Mad, how could he know how to create a man/woman that
: knows mad??
: God is "Completed", so he has mood. He was sad for what people is doing. He
: was also mad that people don't love him back (Before he punish them, but
: after He created them and gave tham all the best things).
: Pay attention to the following:
: The whole point of the (you called) "Not So Interesting Plan" that God made
: is (Written in the last book of Bible): God planed all those in order to let
: those who believe and worship Him go to heaven together with him, and get
: all the glory. Every one would get judged in the last Judgment, right? He

o**1
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你回复什么了呀?除了说基督教信了2000年了,所以一定是真的。
上面说你知道自己为什么看了那些杀人的记载还是信,但是就是打死也不说怎么转过弯
来的。还让别人去想。
你就别装了。

分析

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你自己去读我的每一个回复,看看我说的帮助分析清楚是指的什么
相关主题
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A pastor told me sth. that drove me crazy另一个较真的问题:天使为什要堕落?
o**1
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151
基督徒里面一脑子浆糊的大有人在。讲话是不讲逻辑的,只讲政治正确。

believe
are

【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: what!!?? let's look back at what we said this afternoon
: Quote
:
: endQuote
: here you asked me to help you, and help myself, think about this question,
: right?
: what question? the question is "why christians still worship the christian
: god even after knowing what he did (baby killing, genocide, etc, thanks to
: vivian, who confirmed these atrocities really happened.)"
: and i replied saying that "how would i ever be able to find the answer"

v********2
发帖数: 516
152
Sins are equal. There's not one sin that is better or worse than the other.
If you don't believe, check the Bible. All Sins are Equal. All sins are
coming to Lord and be Judged in the final judgment.
All Babies or Infants are sinful. All human beings are sinful. So killing
which sinful people, and not killing other sinful people, is God's decision.
Killing his people means He's really mad, and the ones who were killed
received the punishment. The ones who were not killed really should THANK
HIM by not putting the punishment on them, because that's God's mercy.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?【 在 qilikacha105 (嘁哩喀喳) 的大作中提到: 】
v********2
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153
No, God will not do 吃喝嫖赌坑蒙拐骗. He punish His people, because he
Reminded, Alerted, Putting Sins into his Law, and Keep Reminded His people
not doing those sinful things. But what do people do?? Tell me what did
people do?? You tell me.
A king, God, He did his responsibility, like creating everything people need
, love them, remind/alert/making laws/ to make people know what to do, what
not to do. He then can punish His people for them not listening to Him.

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: know 和真正去干是两回事吧。人会吃喝嫖赌坑蒙拐骗,上帝也会干?
:
: He
: made
: let

o**1
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154
你上个帖子还说上帝造的人会 Mad, 所以上帝也会 Mad。 同理,吃喝嫖赌什么的也是上
帝造的人干的,能造出吃喝嫖赌来,按你的逻辑,上帝也是会的。

need
what

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: No, God will not do 吃喝嫖赌坑蒙拐骗. He punish His people, because he
: Reminded, Alerted, Putting Sins into his Law, and Keep Reminded His people
: not doing those sinful things. But what do people do?? Tell me what did
: people do?? You tell me.
: A king, God, He did his responsibility, like creating everything people need
: , love them, remind/alert/making laws/ to make people know what to do, what
: not to do. He then can punish His people for them not listening to Him.

l*****a
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155
Yup,小婴儿有罪的话这个制造出他们这个罪的神也是有同样罪的,

是上

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 你上个帖子还说上帝造的人会 Mad, 所以上帝也会 Mad。 同理,吃喝嫖赌什么的也是上
: 帝造的人干的,能造出吃喝嫖赌来,按你的逻辑,上帝也是会的。
:
: need
: what

l*****a
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156
你描写的这个爱是一种很妒嫉的爱,有前提的爱,非常适合你的妒嫉神,
你们最好不要侮辱爱或父爱

killed
and
knew
the

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Those Questions you ask, the answer is Yes. All the killings God did that
: were written in the Bible were true. I won't "praise" Him because he killed
: people. I understand why he did that.
: Can you imagine if you have a son you love, and you gave him everything, and
: he received and accept whatever you gave him, then he doesn't admit he knew
: you. He called someone else "Father". You tried millions of times to get
: him back, he won't. You are sad inside, are you?
: You are mad, are you?
: If you don't care, you don't love him then. God love, people, on the other
: hand, do all the bad things trying to deny God exist, and try to worship the

l*****a
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157
是思考过杀婴屠城很正义之后信的?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我清楚自己为什么会相信,你们不是说要帮我们想清楚我们信的是什么吗?
: 你们不是断章取义又是什么,这样做很无聊的。
:
: out

v********2
发帖数: 516
158
God didn't put sins in Adam and Ava who he created. God gave tham Free Will
to choose how to live. That's love. Without free will, (like putting a
program in their brain to let them behave as what God exactly want--no sin),
there's no love, and there's only control.
God gave people free will, but at the same time, He showed them what sins
are, and what things are good. Then people can freely choose whether to
follow of not. However, sins are tempted, sins looks attracted. That's why
people choose to not obey God.
God never invented sins. Don't misunderstood that very important thing. God
invented people with free will.

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: Yup,小婴儿有罪的话这个制造出他们这个罪的神也是有同样罪的,
:
: 是上

v********2
发帖数: 516
159
No, God will not do 吃喝嫖赌坑蒙拐骗. He punish His people, because he
need
what
l*****a
发帖数: 38403
160
God gave people free will, but at the same time, He showed them what sins
are
God never invented sins
这话不矛盾么,那sin是谁制造出来的?

Will
),
God

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: God didn't put sins in Adam and Ava who he created. God gave tham Free Will
: to choose how to live. That's love. Without free will, (like putting a
: program in their brain to let them behave as what God exactly want--no sin),
: there's no love, and there's only control.
: God gave people free will, but at the same time, He showed them what sins
: are, and what things are good. Then people can freely choose whether to
: follow of not. However, sins are tempted, sins looks attracted. That's why
: people choose to not obey God.
: God never invented sins. Don't misunderstood that very important thing. God
: invented people with free will.

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l*****a
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???????

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: No, God will not do 吃喝嫖赌坑蒙拐骗. He punish His people, because he
: need
: what

q**********5
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嗯,照你的说法,婴儿一生下来就是该死的,是吧?你这个结论,有没有跟你的父母说
说?我建议你跟你的父母说说你的这个想法。或许你的父母能帮到你。
在我看来,基督教强烈扭曲人性,你的言论就是明证。
还有,你家主子号称“公义”,“公义”嘛,同样的“罪”就该受到同样的惩罚,对不
对?
照你的说法,我还活着是你家主子的“mercy”。那么,下面是我的祷告:
督教的“神”耶和华/耶稣,虽然我不相信你们的存在,但是,根据“圣经”描写的情
节,我极其厌恶你们。所以,如果你们真的存在的话,请尊重我的“自由意志”。
我的“自由意志”明确拒绝任何来源于你们的东西,包括我的生命。如果我的生命
真的来源于你们,请你们务必在24小时之内把我弄死。谢谢。阿门。
你看我的“自由意志”会受到尊重吗?

other.
are
killing
decision.
killed
THANK

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Sins are equal. There's not one sin that is better or worse than the other.
: If you don't believe, check the Bible. All Sins are Equal. All sins are
: coming to Lord and be Judged in the final judgment.
: All Babies or Infants are sinful. All human beings are sinful. So killing
: which sinful people, and not killing other sinful people, is God's decision.
: Killing his people means He's really mad, and the ones who were killed
: received the punishment. The ones who were not killed really should THANK
: HIM by not putting the punishment on them, because that's God's mercy.
: DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?【 在 qilikacha105 (嘁哩喀喳) 的大作中提到: 】

l*****a
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认为婴儿一生下来就是该死的这种思想算得上邪恶透顶,个人觉得,
这位微微安同学,你是在信基督教之前还是之后抱着这种思想的? 好奇一下

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,照你的说法,婴儿一生下来就是该死的,是吧?你这个结论,有没有跟你的父母说
: 说?我建议你跟你的父母说说你的这个想法。或许你的父母能帮到你。
: 在我看来,基督教强烈扭曲人性,你的言论就是明证。
: 还有,你家主子号称“公义”,“公义”嘛,同样的“罪”就该受到同样的惩罚,对不
: 对?
: 照你的说法,我还活着是你家主子的“mercy”。那么,下面是我的祷告:
: 督教的“神”耶和华/耶稣,虽然我不相信你们的存在,但是,根据“圣经”描写的情
: 节,我极其厌恶你们。所以,如果你们真的存在的话,请尊重我的“自由意志”。
: 我的“自由意志”明确拒绝任何来源于你们的东西,包括我的生命。如果我的生命
: 真的来源于你们,请你们务必在24小时之内把我弄死。谢谢。阿门。

o**1
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斯德哥尔摩综合症。
认为劫匪随时可以杀掉自己,没杀就感恩戴德,歌颂劫匪,甚至以身相许。
上述是真实的故事,非常类似这个婴儿生下来就该死,死了应该,活了更得感恩。

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 认为婴儿一生下来就是该死的这种思想算得上邪恶透顶,个人觉得,
: 这位微微安同学,你是在信基督教之前还是之后抱着这种思想的? 好奇一下

q**********5
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165
vivian1012 同学应该还没有小孩吧?
嗯,等你生了孩子的时候,你抱着你的小婴儿,看着它,你告诉它:你是个该死的东西
。你做得出来吗?做不出来的话,言行不一致了。
B********s
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你create了你家小孩,你就有权力destroy他/她了?

He
there'

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Killing infants, people, pets and all the living lives, means God is mad. He
: destroyed what he created. Why would that be so hard to understood??
: "撕裂" in Greek (the language that Bible was written in) means punished.
: Whenver you do something that is wrong (not have to be big mistakes), there'
: s a punishment soon or later for you. You may not notice that, but that is
: true.
: Did I answer your question?

B********s
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基督徒都这德行,从来不正面回答问题,罗圈话来回说。

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 你也忒能推三阻四了。别人看了那些杀婴屠城的就不信的。
: 你们看了还是信,为什么看了还能接受,当然得是能接受的人来回答了。
: 你为什么看了还能接受,怎么这个问题不是你能告诉答案的呢?你自己怎么想的,怎么
: 接受的说一下不就完了。
: 老是推三阻四,让人鄙视。

B********s
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这么说小婴儿都有罪都该死啊,怎么没有都被杀死?上帝的“公义”到哪里去了?

first
that
't
Him)

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 小婴儿并没有犯罪, that's not true. Let me ask you, did you ever see a baby
: being jealous to other's toy and try to fight for those toys, and they cry
: for not getting those toys? Who taught them to be jealous? Let me ask you
: this, who taught you, for the first time, to be jealous? Or mad? Nobody,
: right? Sins like jealousy were inherited from Adams and Ava when they first
: had sins.
: 你只能说上帝因为本事大,所以想干啥干啥。不要说什么公义。He was not like that
: . He alerted you, reminded you, told you, wrote it down about what He didn't
: want you to do. You still do them (Including denying and saying bad of Him)
: , He then punish you. Did God punish People for no reason?? CAn you answer

q**********5
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从上面的对话,大家不难看出:基督教把基督徒们的人性扭曲得不成样子了。
所以,我们帮助更多的儿女头骨基督教的表面现象看到基督教的邪恶本质。
可叹的是,基督徒们自己还觉得自己很好,行善,温柔,谦卑...
扭曲啊!
w*********r
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at least vivian1012 is answering things in a unequivocal way. Evil, but
plain straightforward.
the other guy just pissed me off!
posting with him is sort of like
"do you know your god did evil things?"
"yes i do"
"then why do you believe?"
"help me think"
"how can i know, i am not you, just give me answer"
5mins later
"only you know the answer, you tell me"
i swear if i keep posting with this guy i will die in two weeks!
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l*******e
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如果一个基督徒真的觉得自己很好,那一定要好好在主面前检讨一下了。
这真的只是你这种自以为是的人才会抱着不放的一种想法?看看你自己觉得自己
有多好你就知道了。
还说自己读了多久的圣经,有些人真的越读经越发现自己的义。所以我一说再说
你要本不明白圣经讲了什么。

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: 从上面的对话,大家不难看出:基督教把基督徒们的人性扭曲得不成样子了。
: 所以,我们帮助更多的儿女头骨基督教的表面现象看到基督教的邪恶本质。
: 可叹的是,基督徒们自己还觉得自己很好,行善,温柔,谦卑...
: 扭曲啊!

l*******e
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看看你们自己的回复你会有同样的感觉的,我就是被你们这么折磨着的。

【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: at least vivian1012 is answering things in a unequivocal way. Evil, but
: plain straightforward.
: the other guy just pissed me off!
: posting with him is sort of like
: "do you know your god did evil things?"
: "yes i do"
: "then why do you believe?"
: "help me think"
: "how can i know, i am not you, just give me answer"
: 5mins later

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
173

看看下面的发言,这还不是自我感觉好啊?
Because
they
reason
they
my

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 如果一个基督徒真的觉得自己很好,那一定要好好在主面前检讨一下了。
: 这真的只是你这种自以为是的人才会抱着不放的一种想法?看看你自己觉得自己
: 有多好你就知道了。
: 还说自己读了多久的圣经,有些人真的越读经越发现自己的义。所以我一说再说
: 你要本不明白圣经讲了什么。

w*********r
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do you ever plan to answer the following question:
why you, liufanghe, as a christian, continue to worship the christian god
even knowing he committed babies killing and genocide?
you admitted that these questions once bothered you but you eventually
overcame and become a christian right? just tell me how you thought that
through. i am curious to know.
and please, once again, answer with logic, articulation and intellect. do
not ask me to come up with the answer for you, and do not quote bible
stories to show how nice he is because, again, you can quote a thousand nice
things about him from the bible, but that can not disprove the fact that those infants
were killed, directly or indirectly, by him.

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 看看你们自己的回复你会有同样的感觉的,我就是被你们这么折磨着的。
l*******e
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175
如果你讲逻辑的话,在回答问题前我们能不能有来一个逻辑上的统一,
请问第一我们能不能承认基督教是理性界的东西?

god
that
do
thousand nice
that those infants

【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: do you ever plan to answer the following question:
: why you, liufanghe, as a christian, continue to worship the christian god
: even knowing he committed babies killing and genocide?
: you admitted that these questions once bothered you but you eventually
: overcame and become a christian right? just tell me how you thought that
: through. i am curious to know.
: and please, once again, answer with logic, articulation and intellect. do
: not ask me to come up with the answer for you, and do not quote bible
: stories to show how nice he is because, again, you can quote a thousand nice
: things about him from the bible, but that can not disprove the fact that those infants

o**1
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176
whitespider没有折磨你吧?那你就别折磨他了,明明白白的回答他一下吧。
不是要爱人如己吗

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 看看你们自己的回复你会有同样的感觉的,我就是被你们这么折磨着的。
w*********r
发帖数: 3382
177
ok, my bad, forget about logic, just articulation and intellect, ok?
please answer the following question:
why you, liufanghe, as a christian, continue to worship the christian god
even knowing he committed babies killing and genocide?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 如果你讲逻辑的话,在回答问题前我们能不能有来一个逻辑上的统一,
: 请问第一我们能不能承认基督教是理性界的东西?
:
: god
: that
: do
: thousand nice
: that those infants

o**1
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这个和那个问题有关系吗?
什么叫理性界?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 如果你讲逻辑的话,在回答问题前我们能不能有来一个逻辑上的统一,
: 请问第一我们能不能承认基督教是理性界的东西?
:
: god
: that
: do
: thousand nice
: that those infants

v********2
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179
No Conflict at all.
One thing you might not know is, God invented an angel called "Lucifer"
before he created people. Lucifer was a angel who God trusted, and God gave
him power to help God manage the world, but this angel wanted more power.
That's why he turned his back to God. Lucifer is Evil, with the other name "
Satan".
Satan is "Sin". He was punished by God for turning back at God. The
punishment says, Satan will go to hell for sure after the Final Judgment.
There's no opportunity for Satan to go to heaven. Therefore, Satan wants to
drag more people to go to hell with him because he was already sentenced to
hell for sure.
Now you know, God didn't invent sin. Satan is sin. And Satan's job is to
spread sins to people. Trick them into sinful stuff. Live in people's heart.
Destroy God's work. That's Satan's JOB because HE HAS NO HOPE! But we do.
GOD loves us no matter when we turn to Him and say, I don't want sin, I want
God's love. Whenever you do that, God accept you. Actually, God's love is
always there, it's people who don't want to accept his love. And Santa is
happy when he wins over you. Friend, don't let Satan win.

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: God gave people free will, but at the same time, He showed them what sins
: are
: God never invented sins
: 这话不矛盾么,那sin是谁制造出来的?
:
: Will
: ),
: God

l*******e
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180
你们不是一个劲地叫着别人没有逻辑吗?
你不是又想听一个合理的解释吗?你自己本身就矛盾的。
你会是不是觉得没有逻辑也会有智慧呢?

god

【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: ok, my bad, forget about logic, just articulation and intellect, ok?
: please answer the following question:
: why you, liufanghe, as a christian, continue to worship the christian god
: even knowing he committed babies killing and genocide?

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o**1
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能不能写汉语呀?
上帝造撒旦的时候,是知道撒旦是个坏东西吧,知道他以后会天天冒坏水,但是上帝还
是造了他,撒旦也是上帝一盘大棋里面的棋子,肯定对上帝来说是有用的。
撒旦干的那些事说白了也是上帝知道并允许的。否则怎么会发生呢?

gave
"
to
to

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: No Conflict at all.
: One thing you might not know is, God invented an angel called "Lucifer"
: before he created people. Lucifer was a angel who God trusted, and God gave
: him power to help God manage the world, but this angel wanted more power.
: That's why he turned his back to God. Lucifer is Evil, with the other name "
: Satan".
: Satan is "Sin". He was punished by God for turning back at God. The
: punishment says, Satan will go to hell for sure after the Final Judgment.
: There's no opportunity for Satan to go to heaven. Therefore, Satan wants to
: drag more people to go to hell with him because he was already sentenced to

o**1
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182
ok 他矛盾了,他没逻辑了,他没智慧了。
你可以回答问题了吗?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你们不是一个劲地叫着别人没有逻辑吗?
: 你不是又想听一个合理的解释吗?你自己本身就矛盾的。
: 你会是不是觉得没有逻辑也会有智慧呢?
:
: god

v********2
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183
It's not that Infants are born to die. It's that people are sinful. In Bible
, the definition of sin is "sin is death", I believe that for some one like
you who studied Bible for nine years, you are familiar with this definition,
aren't you?
Sin is death. Everyone who lives, but doesn't accept Jesus's rescue is a
living "dead" person. Because only with Jesus's death, which take over your
sin(death), you can live.
You, me and the infants, and everyone, we are the same without admitting
Jesus. We are living lives without soul. Because in bible, I am sure you
know this verse in Chapter two of "ChuangShiJi"--- God blow into Adam's nose
, and make him a "living" person "WITH SOUL".
Did you see the definition by God of "Living Life"?? Live with Soul is a
living life. Life without soul is dead life. Soul is the connection between
people and God. Sin (Satan) makes this connection broke. Without soul,
living people are dead people.
God can take your(my) life whenever he want, because you are dead. because
you don't want to rebuild the connection(soul) with God. God didn't force
you to accept Him is because he doesn't want to control you. He still is
waiting for you, and give you chances.
So Infants, you, and me, and every one, doesn't make any difference if we
don't accept Jesus.

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,照你的说法,婴儿一生下来就是该死的,是吧?你这个结论,有没有跟你的父母说
: 说?我建议你跟你的父母说说你的这个想法。或许你的父母能帮到你。
: 在我看来,基督教强烈扭曲人性,你的言论就是明证。
: 还有,你家主子号称“公义”,“公义”嘛,同样的“罪”就该受到同样的惩罚,对不
: 对?
: 照你的说法,我还活着是你家主子的“mercy”。那么,下面是我的祷告:
: 督教的“神”耶和华/耶稣,虽然我不相信你们的存在,但是,根据“圣经”描写的情
: 节,我极其厌恶你们。所以,如果你们真的存在的话,请尊重我的“自由意志”。
: 我的“自由意志”明确拒绝任何来源于你们的东西,包括我的生命。如果我的生命
: 真的来源于你们,请你们务必在24小时之内把我弄死。谢谢。阿门。

v********2
发帖数: 516
184
It's not that Infants are born to die. It's that people are sinful. In Bible
, the definition of sin is "sin is death", I believe that for some one like
you who studied Bible for nine years, you are familiar with this definition,
aren't you?
Sin is death. Everyone who lives, but doesn't accept Jesus's rescue is a
living "dead" person. Because only with Jesus's death, which take over your
sin(death), you can live.
You, me and the infants, and everyone, we are the same without admitting
Jesus. We are living lives without soul. Because in bible, I am sure you
know this verse in Chapter two of "ChuangShiJi"--- God blow into Adam's nose
, and make him a "living" person "WITH SOUL".
Did you see the definition by God of "Living Life"?? Live with Soul is a
living life. Life without soul is dead life. Soul is the connection between
people and God. Sin (Satan) makes this connection broke. Without soul,
living people are dead people.
God can take your(my) life whenever he want, because you are dead. because
you don't want to rebuild the connection(soul) with God. God didn't force
you to accept Him is because he doesn't want to control you. He still is
waiting for you, and give you chances.
So Infants, you, and me, and every one, doesn't make any difference if we
don't accept Jesus.

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,照你的说法,婴儿一生下来就是该死的,是吧?你这个结论,有没有跟你的父母说
: 说?我建议你跟你的父母说说你的这个想法。或许你的父母能帮到你。
: 在我看来,基督教强烈扭曲人性,你的言论就是明证。
: 还有,你家主子号称“公义”,“公义”嘛,同样的“罪”就该受到同样的惩罚,对不
: 对?
: 照你的说法,我还活着是你家主子的“mercy”。那么,下面是我的祷告:
: 督教的“神”耶和华/耶稣,虽然我不相信你们的存在,但是,根据“圣经”描写的情
: 节,我极其厌恶你们。所以,如果你们真的存在的话,请尊重我的“自由意志”。
: 我的“自由意志”明确拒绝任何来源于你们的东西,包括我的生命。如果我的生命
: 真的来源于你们,请你们务必在24小时之内把我弄死。谢谢。阿门。

l*****a
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185
这么多有的没的。。。是你自己研究出来的还是道听途说?
咱们先来查查经吧,麻烦给出lucifer是天使的证据,然后拿出他和撒旦是一位的证据

gave
"
to
to

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: No Conflict at all.
: One thing you might not know is, God invented an angel called "Lucifer"
: before he created people. Lucifer was a angel who God trusted, and God gave
: him power to help God manage the world, but this angel wanted more power.
: That's why he turned his back to God. Lucifer is Evil, with the other name "
: Satan".
: Satan is "Sin". He was punished by God for turning back at God. The
: punishment says, Satan will go to hell for sure after the Final Judgment.
: There's no opportunity for Satan to go to heaven. Therefore, Satan wants to
: drag more people to go to hell with him because he was already sentenced to

o**1
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不信耶稣的是 活死人。这个说法够狠。
信了耶稣的不一样要死嘛。罪的工价是死,你们这些被赎了罪的也一样会死。不要说什
么这个死是灵的死,你这篇文章里都是说的肉体的死。

Bible
like
definition,
your
nose

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: It's not that Infants are born to die. It's that people are sinful. In Bible
: , the definition of sin is "sin is death", I believe that for some one like
: you who studied Bible for nine years, you are familiar with this definition,
: aren't you?
: Sin is death. Everyone who lives, but doesn't accept Jesus's rescue is a
: living "dead" person. Because only with Jesus's death, which take over your
: sin(death), you can live.
: You, me and the infants, and everyone, we are the same without admitting
: Jesus. We are living lives without soul. Because in bible, I am sure you
: know this verse in Chapter two of "ChuangShiJi"--- God blow into Adam's nose

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
187
两种可能,
1,故意的制造邪恶
2,无能为力

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 能不能写汉语呀?
: 上帝造撒旦的时候,是知道撒旦是个坏东西吧,知道他以后会天天冒坏水,但是上帝还
: 是造了他,撒旦也是上帝一盘大棋里面的棋子,肯定对上帝来说是有用的。
: 撒旦干的那些事说白了也是上帝知道并允许的。否则怎么会发生呢?
:
: gave
: "
: to
: to

v********2
发帖数: 516
188
Sorry I am on a computer without Chinese input. I will use CHinese when I
got home.
The logic here is that God knew he(Satan/you/me/Adam/Ava and everyone) will
do something bad. But he still created us because he doesn't want to force
you to do good things (or something he want), Forcing you to do something
you are not sure whether you want to do is not love. It's Control.
The logic is, he created some one, and tell them what's good, and what's bad
, and what is his wish on you. Whether you do it or not is your free choice.
Without telling you what is good/bad is irresponsible, just like raising a
child as a parent. But he told you all about what 's good/bad (the law/bible)
He let those happen, not because He likes those to happer. He allow bad
things to happen because people just want to commit sin. If he force you to
not do it, program this function into your brain, it's "Control", not love.
Love is telling you what's good/bad, alert you about bad things, punish you
when you do something wrong, but NEVER locking you home, and not letting you
go out to touch the real world.
Do you have any idea about 撒旦干的那些事说白了也是上帝知道并允许的。否则怎
么会发生呢?

c: 能不能写汉语呀?

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 不信耶稣的是 活死人。这个说法够狠。
: 信了耶稣的不一样要死嘛。罪的工价是死,你们这些被赎了罪的也一样会死。不要说什
: 么这个死是灵的死,你这篇文章里都是说的肉体的死。
:
: Bible
: like
: definition,
: your
: nose

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
189
不吵了好不好,大家都不是傻子,吵架没有意思,
我们都是经过思考而后选择自己的生活的不是吗?
我也是实在看不下大家这么不尊重别人的思想自由
才来的,你们可以去查一下,我很早就在这里发过
文章,只是不想吵架就很少来说什么。
但这些日子你们做的实在太过了,自由是每个人的
权力,尊重每个个人是人文主义最重要的原则之一。
大家相互尊重不好吗?
还是那句话很多问题不是一个是或是不是就能回答的。
whitespider
就说你讲的那个问题(为什么信那么厉害的神),在信了十多年的时候这个问题
对我一直不是问题,因为中国人对权柄服了那么久,我的思想没有在这方面发问
过。也是在读书会的时候,谈到了为什么神会这样,为什么神会让一些自然灾害
的发生我才明白这对很多人是问题。那我再去想这件事的时候也就开始想不透,
但与你们的区别是我有信,有信心。
我相信圣经是神的启示,我相信神在圣经成书的过程中做工,那里面的每一个字
都是神要先知们或是使徒们写在那里的。
可是我的这些相信对你们的问题有帮助吗?那份信心的建立对你们来说可能只觉
得不可理解。但对我们来讲不一样,作为基督徒我们同样与你们有一样的挣扎过
程。
再说下去,我又是如何再想通的呢?是更清楚自己的堕落之后。真的不是开玩笑,
我们的牧师每一次的讲道都会让我很汗颜。
我有孩子,有了孩子你才会知道恶不是你教给孩子的,真的。
还是那句话,请大家相互尊重,基督徒也是人,不是糊涂虫 也不是可以用来侮辱的。
无论你们是否接受我的这些话,我想你们应该了解的诚意。
l*****a
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190
活死人都上来了,会不会上生化危机啊?
从你这话我得到一个很大的印象,基督徒是反世界的

Bible
like
definition,
your
nose

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: It's not that Infants are born to die. It's that people are sinful. In Bible
: , the definition of sin is "sin is death", I believe that for some one like
: you who studied Bible for nine years, you are familiar with this definition,
: aren't you?
: Sin is death. Everyone who lives, but doesn't accept Jesus's rescue is a
: living "dead" person. Because only with Jesus's death, which take over your
: sin(death), you can live.
: You, me and the infants, and everyone, we are the same without admitting
: Jesus. We are living lives without soul. Because in bible, I am sure you
: know this verse in Chapter two of "ChuangShiJi"--- God blow into Adam's nose

相关主题
说说嘁哩喀喳这个人zzTHE NAME "LUCIFER" HAS NEVER BELONGED TO SATAN!
另一个较真的问题:天使为什要堕落?你对数字敏感么?
“How Art Thou Fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer!”John 11 "Jesus wept"
o**1
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191
输入汉语可以到 http://inputking.com
咱来分析一下呀
上帝是全知全能的吧?
你的选择他都知道吧?比如说撒旦会选择冒坏水,这个上帝知道的吧?那么上帝还希望
撒旦的自由意识选择当好人?上帝知道自己不会错,知道撒旦不可能突然转去选择当好
人,这个坏水一定会冒的。
换个角度说:这个free will有没有可能做出的决定是上帝事先不知道的。

will
bad
choice.
a
bible)

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Sorry I am on a computer without Chinese input. I will use CHinese when I
: got home.
: The logic here is that God knew he(Satan/you/me/Adam/Ava and everyone) will
: do something bad. But he still created us because he doesn't want to force
: you to do good things (or something he want), Forcing you to do something
: you are not sure whether you want to do is not love. It's Control.
: The logic is, he created some one, and tell them what's good, and what's bad
: , and what is his wish on you. Whether you do it or not is your free choice.
: Without telling you what is good/bad is irresponsible, just like raising a
: child as a parent. But he told you all about what 's good/bad (the law/bible)

o**1
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192
打了这么多字,但是好像我抓不到你回答的重点。
问的问题是:为什么看到圣经记载的那些杀婴等行为你还会信。
你的答案是你信,凭信心。
人家问的是为什么你信。你回答个你信。
强呀

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 不吵了好不好,大家都不是傻子,吵架没有意思,
: 我们都是经过思考而后选择自己的生活的不是吗?
: 我也是实在看不下大家这么不尊重别人的思想自由
: 才来的,你们可以去查一下,我很早就在这里发过
: 文章,只是不想吵架就很少来说什么。
: 但这些日子你们做的实在太过了,自由是每个人的
: 权力,尊重每个个人是人文主义最重要的原则之一。
: 大家相互尊重不好吗?
: 还是那句话很多问题不是一个是或是不是就能回答的。
: whitespider

l*****a
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193
对亚对呀,爱就是杀光婴儿么,因为他们的祖先有罪,对不?
爱就是认为婴儿生下来就该死,对不?
罪就是违反神命,对不?
给你自由意识让你选择违反不违反,对不?
违反了就杀了你这就是爱,对不?
告诉过你不要侮辱爱这个字。

will
bad
choice.
a
bible)

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Sorry I am on a computer without Chinese input. I will use CHinese when I
: got home.
: The logic here is that God knew he(Satan/you/me/Adam/Ava and everyone) will
: do something bad. But he still created us because he doesn't want to force
: you to do good things (or something he want), Forcing you to do something
: you are not sure whether you want to do is not love. It's Control.
: The logic is, he created some one, and tell them what's good, and what's bad
: , and what is his wish on you. Whether you do it or not is your free choice.
: Without telling you what is good/bad is irresponsible, just like raising a
: child as a parent. But he told you all about what 's good/bad (the law/bible)

x***x
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194
真神早就说过, 飞机反的是基督教, 不是基督徒.
想问一下, 你对flg是什么看法?
你觉得练flg的人是不是傻子, 是不是经过思考而后选择自己的生活的.
既然尊重每个个人是人文主义最重要的原则之一, 你觉得我们是应该尊重fl弟子, 还是
把他们拉出来?
不要扯基督教和flg不是一回事. 基督徒和flg还真没什么本质区别. 你的信仰是基于一
个信字, flg也是一样的. 再多的反面事实堆在面前, fl弟子一跺脚说, 我就是信, 咋的了?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 不吵了好不好,大家都不是傻子,吵架没有意思,
: 我们都是经过思考而后选择自己的生活的不是吗?
: 我也是实在看不下大家这么不尊重别人的思想自由
: 才来的,你们可以去查一下,我很早就在这里发过
: 文章,只是不想吵架就很少来说什么。
: 但这些日子你们做的实在太过了,自由是每个人的
: 权力,尊重每个个人是人文主义最重要的原则之一。
: 大家相互尊重不好吗?
: 还是那句话很多问题不是一个是或是不是就能回答的。
: whitespider

v********2
发帖数: 516
195
in the bible, first chapter, you can see God created a real human body from
dirt called Adam. And blow breath to his nose, making him a "living life".
Living means "Body with soul". Soul is the connection between you and God.
Satan took that away. 活死人 are people who don't want to build this
connection with God.
Death is not scary. 活死人 is not scary. The thing that is scary is someone
who knows how easy it is to build a soul, doesn't want to build a soul. And
he choose to let Satan/Evil win.
Building a soul, and becoming a real living person is SO EASY. Jesus already
took your sin. You don't need to pay anything. Jesus already paid for you.

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 活死人都上来了,会不会上生化危机啊?
: 从你这话我得到一个很大的印象,基督徒是反世界的
:
: Bible
: like
: definition,
: your
: nose

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
196
我先问过你们是不是要用逻辑的方法,
你们选择不的呀,
我可怎么办呢?
看来听你们的还是不行。

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 打了这么多字,但是好像我抓不到你回答的重点。
: 问的问题是:为什么看到圣经记载的那些杀婴等行为你还会信。
: 你的答案是你信,凭信心。
: 人家问的是为什么你信。你回答个你信。
: 强呀

o**1
发帖数: 6383
197
看出来了,反正你是不会回答这个问题了,就会插科打诨推三阻四。
这个水平还传教呀,不丢人就不错了。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我先问过你们是不是要用逻辑的方法,
: 你们选择不的呀,
: 我可怎么办呢?
: 看来听你们的还是不行。

x***x
发帖数: 3401
198
基督徒好像都蛮怕死的. 你说Death is not scary, 恐怕其他基督徒不敢苟同.

from
someone
And
already

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: in the bible, first chapter, you can see God created a real human body from
: dirt called Adam. And blow breath to his nose, making him a "living life".
: Living means "Body with soul". Soul is the connection between you and God.
: Satan took that away. 活死人 are people who don't want to build this
: connection with God.
: Death is not scary. 活死人 is not scary. The thing that is scary is someone
: who knows how easy it is to build a soul, doesn't want to build a soul. And
: he choose to let Satan/Evil win.
: Building a soul, and becoming a real living person is SO EASY. Jesus already
: took your sin. You don't need to pay anything. Jesus already paid for you.

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
199
又来了个女版永生啊,问一下,你要你说的这个soul做啥?

from
someone
And
already

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: in the bible, first chapter, you can see God created a real human body from
: dirt called Adam. And blow breath to his nose, making him a "living life".
: Living means "Body with soul". Soul is the connection between you and God.
: Satan took that away. 活死人 are people who don't want to build this
: connection with God.
: Death is not scary. 活死人 is not scary. The thing that is scary is someone
: who knows how easy it is to build a soul, doesn't want to build a soul. And
: he choose to let Satan/Evil win.
: Building a soul, and becoming a real living person is SO EASY. Jesus already
: took your sin. You don't need to pay anything. Jesus already paid for you.

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
200
我写了那么多告诉你我从不怀疑到怀疑到不再怀疑,
你说我写多了别人找不到重点,这也太无理了。
你太过份了

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 看出来了,反正你是不会回答这个问题了,就会插科打诨推三阻四。
: 这个水平还传教呀,不丢人就不错了。

相关主题
The Bible was not written to us, but.....John 3:16
【数学之美,妙不可言】 (转载)基督徒信:上帝的权威绝对不可被质疑
Mark 10:18基督徒为什么要宣扬他们所谓的原罪呢?
o**1
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人家问的是为什么,你认识这三个字吗。
知道你从怀疑到不再怀疑。不过是怎么想通的呢?想通了以后又是怎么解释杀婴灭绝那
些事的呢?
你光说个我想通了不怀疑了,我信了。这个有说服力吗?
算了吧,不跟你罗嗦了,你还是从事你插科打诨的有前途的职业吧。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我写了那么多告诉你我从不怀疑到怀疑到不再怀疑,
: 你说我写多了别人找不到重点,这也太无理了。
: 你太过份了

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
202
顺便再帮我拿出耶稣作为一个活人在历史上存在的证据,来证明他不是被你们"信"出
来的

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 又来了个女版永生啊,问一下,你要你说的这个soul做啥?
:
: from
: someone
: And
: already

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
203
哈哈,你家“全知全能”的主子创造撒旦的时候,知不知道撒旦后来会反对他?

"Lucifer"
gave
power.
name "
Judgment.
wants to
sentenced to

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: No Conflict at all.
: One thing you might not know is, God invented an angel called "Lucifer"
: before he created people. Lucifer was a angel who God trusted, and God gave
: him power to help God manage the world, but this angel wanted more power.
: That's why he turned his back to God. Lucifer is Evil, with the other name "
: Satan".
: Satan is "Sin". He was punished by God for turning back at God. The
: punishment says, Satan will go to hell for sure after the Final Judgment.
: There's no opportunity for Satan to go to heaven. Therefore, Satan wants to
: drag more people to go to hell with him because he was already sentenced to

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
204
转圈转不过了就开始指责他人了,基督徒的行为还真一致

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我写了那么多告诉你我从不怀疑到怀疑到不再怀疑,
: 你说我写多了别人找不到重点,这也太无理了。
: 你太过份了

v********2
发帖数: 516
205
Dear One1, I looked up your questions in the library. Please see below
" Is Lucifer a name that the Bible uses for Satan?"
The name Lucifer occurs once in the Scriptures and only in some versions of
the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isaiah 14:12: “How
art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”
The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint
uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some
translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But
Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts
for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.
Who is this Lucifer? The expression “shining one,” or “Lucifer,” is
found in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as
a “proverbial saying against the king of Babylon.” Thus, it is part of a
saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty. That the description “
shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen
by the statement: “Down to Sheol you will be brought.” Sheol is the
common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover,
those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: “Is this the man that
was agitating the earth?” Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a
spirit creature.—Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16.
Why is such an eminent description given to the Babylonian dynasty? We must
realize that the king of Babylon was to be called the shining one only after
his fall and in a taunting way. (Isaiah 14:3) Selfish pride prompted
Babylon’s kings to elevate themselves above those around them. So great was
the arrogance of the dynasty that it is portrayed as bragging: “To the
heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and
I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the
north. . . . I shall make myself resemble the Most High.”—Isaiah 14:13,
14.
“The stars of God” are the kings of the royal line of David. (Numbers 24:
17) From David onward, these “stars” ruled from Mount Zion. After Solomon
built the temple in Jerusalem, the name Zion came to apply to the whole city
. Under the Law covenant, all male Israelites were obliged to travel to Zion
three times a year. Thus, it became “the mountain of meeting.” By
determining to subjugate the Judean kings and then remove them from that
mountain, Nebuchadnezzar is declaring his intention to put himself above
those “stars.” Instead of giving Jehovah credit for the victory over them,
he arrogantly puts himself in Jehovah’s place. So it is after being cut
down to the earth that the Babylonian dynasty is mockingly referred to as
the “shining one.”
The pride of the Babylonian rulers indeed reflected the attitude of “the
god of this system of things”—Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4) He too
lusts for power and longs to place himself above Jehovah God. But Lucifer is
not a name Scripturally given to Satan.
Taken from The 9/15/2002 issue of Watchtower Magazine

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 这么多有的没的。。。是你自己研究出来的还是道听途说?
: 咱们先来查查经吧,麻烦给出lucifer是天使的证据,然后拿出他和撒旦是一位的证据
:
: gave
: "
: to
: to

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
206

Bible
like
definition,
不得不说,你对“圣经”几乎就是一无所知!你是不是不读“圣经”只听牧师们忽悠啊?
看“圣经”:
约翰一书 5:17 凡不义的事都是罪。也有不至于死的罪。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: It's not that Infants are born to die. It's that people are sinful. In Bible
: , the definition of sin is "sin is death", I believe that for some one like
: you who studied Bible for nine years, you are familiar with this definition,
: aren't you?
: Sin is death. Everyone who lives, but doesn't accept Jesus's rescue is a
: living "dead" person. Because only with Jesus's death, which take over your
: sin(death), you can live.
: You, me and the infants, and everyone, we are the same without admitting
: Jesus. We are living lives without soul. Because in bible, I am sure you
: know this verse in Chapter two of "ChuangShiJi"--- God blow into Adam's nose

v********2
发帖数: 516
207
Yes, God knew. The whole plan was planed before everything was created.
THe reason for that is to let people who believe in Him stay with Him after
the Final Judgment. To freely choose whether they want to stay with him.

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈,你家“全知全能”的主子创造撒旦的时候,知不知道撒旦后来会反对他?
:
: "Lucifer"
: gave
: power.
: name "
: Judgment.
: wants to
: sentenced to

x***x
发帖数: 3401
208
想问一下你知道Watchtower是什么教的杂志吗
你发这种言论是犯了版规的

of
Septuagint
But
accounts

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Dear One1, I looked up your questions in the library. Please see below
: " Is Lucifer a name that the Bible uses for Satan?"
: The name Lucifer occurs once in the Scriptures and only in some versions of
: the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isaiah 14:12: “How
: art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”
: The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint
: uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some
: translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But
: Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts
: for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.

l*******e
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请问你对法轮功是什么看法?
我尊重他们,但我告诉他们无论什么时候都来要说谎。

咋的了?

【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 真神早就说过, 飞机反的是基督教, 不是基督徒.
: 想问一下, 你对flg是什么看法?
: 你觉得练flg的人是不是傻子, 是不是经过思考而后选择自己的生活的.
: 既然尊重每个个人是人文主义最重要的原则之一, 你觉得我们是应该尊重fl弟子, 还是
: 把他们拉出来?
: 不要扯基督教和flg不是一回事. 基督徒和flg还真没什么本质区别. 你的信仰是基于一
: 个信字, flg也是一样的. 再多的反面事实堆在面前, fl弟子一跺脚说, 我就是信, 咋的了?

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
210

基督徒们不配得到我的尊重。
就这么简单。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 请问你对法轮功是什么看法?
: 我尊重他们,但我告诉他们无论什么时候都来要说谎。
:
: 咋的了?

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l*****a
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你copy这一大堆没有人不知道,看不下去,归纳下你自己的话吧
另外你怎么总是回错人那?

of
Septuagint
But
accounts

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Dear One1, I looked up your questions in the library. Please see below
: " Is Lucifer a name that the Bible uses for Satan?"
: The name Lucifer occurs once in the Scriptures and only in some versions of
: the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isaiah 14:12: “How
: art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”
: The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint
: uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some
: translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But
: Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts
: for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.

l*******e
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212
看来又回到当初了,你不是先去看病吧。就这么简单。

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
:
: 基督徒们不配得到我的尊重。
: 就这么简单。

v********2
发帖数: 516
213
Many people--including those who wrote bible, and those who wrote other
articles and books after they met Jesus---met Jesus when Jesus came to world.
You can read so many books whose authors saw Jesus, or heard others telling
about Jesus and wrote it down.
I will give you a list of books to read, whose authors were paleontologists,
who digged up those proves, or authors who were living in that era.
Friend, I know it's just so hard to believe by listening to others. But if
this King really exists, it's worthful to know about him.

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 顺便再帮我拿出耶稣作为一个活人在历史上存在的证据,来证明他不是被你们"信"出
: 来的

l*****a
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谁能翻译一下?
但我告诉他们无论什么时候都来要说谎

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 请问你对法轮功是什么看法?
: 我尊重他们,但我告诉他们无论什么时候都来要说谎。
:
: 咋的了?

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
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我说过,信基督教的人,要么是没有认真读过“圣经”,要么是不善于思考,要么就是
骗子。
这位同学对“圣经”如此生疏,就敢出来传教,真是无知者无畏啊。

Bible
like
definition,
不得不说,你对“圣经”几乎就是一无所知!你是不是不读“圣经”只听牧师们忽悠啊?
看“圣经”:
约翰一书 5:17 凡不义的事都是罪。也有不至于死的罪。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: It's not that Infants are born to die. It's that people are sinful. In Bible
: , the definition of sin is "sin is death", I believe that for some one like
: you who studied Bible for nine years, you are familiar with this definition,
: aren't you?
: Sin is death. Everyone who lives, but doesn't accept Jesus's rescue is a
: living "dead" person. Because only with Jesus's death, which take over your
: sin(death), you can live.
: You, me and the infants, and everyone, we are the same without admitting
: Jesus. We are living lives without soul. Because in bible, I am sure you
: know this verse in Chapter two of "ChuangShiJi"--- God blow into Adam's nose

w*********r
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"why?"
"yes i believe"
"why?"
"yes i do"
"why?"
"yes i believe"
"why?"
"yes i do"
"why?"
"yes i believe"
"why?"
"yes i do"
"why?"
"yes i believe"
"why?"
"yes i do"
"why?"
"yes i believe"
"why?"
"yes i do"
"why?"
"yes i believe"
"why?"
"yes i do"
"why?"
"yes i believe"
there goes another 24 hrs of my life i'd never get back
l*****a
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217
欢迎欢迎,千万别拿Josephus被后人伪造的那段话就行

world.
telling
paleontologists,

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Many people--including those who wrote bible, and those who wrote other
: articles and books after they met Jesus---met Jesus when Jesus came to world.
: You can read so many books whose authors saw Jesus, or heard others telling
: about Jesus and wrote it down.
: I will give you a list of books to read, whose authors were paleontologists,
: who digged up those proves, or authors who were living in that era.
: Friend, I know it's just so hard to believe by listening to others. But if
: this King really exists, it's worthful to know about him.

q**********5
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1)历史上是否真的有耶稣这号人史学界并无定论。我引用著名哲学家罗素的话:“历
史上究竟有无耶稣其人是大可怀疑的。”
2)就算历史上真有耶稣欺人,按照“圣经”描写的情节,耶稣顶多就是一个江湖骗子
,靠着上嘴唇碰碰下嘴唇骗吃骗喝的主儿。最后牛皮吹大了,被政府依照民主程序正法
了。按照“圣经”,耶稣吹了很多牛皮。现在看来,耶稣的很多牛皮都吹破了。例如,
按照“圣经”,耶稣吹牛说“信的人”“手按病人,病人就__必__好了”,基督徒们真
的相信耶稣的疯话吗?世界上能不能找不一个“信的人”能够“手按病人,病人就__必
__好了”???能“按”好艾滋病吗?
所谓“为赎买世人的罪,选择那样痛苦的死亡”,不过是一场廉价的劣质的煽情闹剧而
已。按照“圣经”,耶稣上十字架之前清清楚楚知道自己几天之后会“复活”,这样的
“死”有什么大不了的???耶稣同学“牺牲”什么了???而且,更搞笑的是,按照
“圣经”,耶稣还因为十字架上的演出获得了利益!这样看来,你所谓的耶稣的“死”
不仅毫无风险而且还有利益!所以我说这不过是一场廉价的劣质的煽情闹剧。
v********2
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Dear Friend,
I think it's too hard for you to believe anything just through me talking
here. I recommended two books for you:
1. 游子吟
2. 铁证待判 by 麦道卫
Many scientists, who want proves, who asked the same question that you asked
, have read those books, and liked them.
Why don't you read them, and we discuss more here? If you have any questions
about the explanations in the book, I am willing to discuss with you here.

【在 q**********4 的大作中提到】
:
: vivian1012 同学,如果你觉得我对你说话不够礼貌。我向你道歉。但是,我并不打
: 算改变我说话的方式。
: 做人,要坦坦荡荡。
: 我从来不否认也从来不掩饰我对基督徒们的鄙视。我和基督徒们说话的时候,这种态度
: 就表现出来了。
: 我的观点:信基督教的人,要么是没有认真读过“圣经”,要么是不善于思考,要么就
: 是骗子。前两类实际上也是受害者。我鄙视基督徒们的同时,我对基督徒们也充满了怜悯。

l*****a
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220
游子吟。。。
铁证待判。。。

asked
questions

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Dear Friend,
: I think it's too hard for you to believe anything just through me talking
: here. I recommended two books for you:
: 1. 游子吟
: 2. 铁证待判 by 麦道卫
: Many scientists, who want proves, who asked the same question that you asked
: , have read those books, and liked them.
: Why don't you read them, and we discuss more here? If you have any questions
: about the explanations in the book, I am willing to discuss with you here.

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Is There a Burning Hell? ZT“How Art Thou Fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer!”
说说嘁哩喀喳这个人zzTHE NAME "LUCIFER" HAS NEVER BELONGED TO SATAN!
x***x
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221
我对flg的看法和我对jdj的看法一样的.
你觉得flg应该被定为邪教吗
但我告诉他们无论什么时候都来要说谎。
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~什么意思

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 请问你对法轮功是什么看法?
: 我尊重他们,但我告诉他们无论什么时候都来要说谎。
:
: 咋的了?

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
222
不好意思,打错了,是什么时候都不要说谎

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 谁能翻译一下?
: 但我告诉他们无论什么时候都来要说谎

o**1
发帖数: 6383
223
很多 scientists 看了 游子吟?还很喜欢?
哪些科学家?

asked
questions
你家
守?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Dear Friend,
: I think it's too hard for you to believe anything just through me talking
: here. I recommended two books for you:
: 1. 游子吟
: 2. 铁证待判 by 麦道卫
: Many scientists, who want proves, who asked the same question that you asked
: , have read those books, and liked them.
: Why don't you read them, and we discuss more here? If you have any questions
: about the explanations in the book, I am willing to discuss with you here.

q**********5
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天啊!!!你看过《游子吟》吗?你相信吗?我一直觉得,只有极其弱智的人才会被《
游子吟》这种书
忽悠。真诚地建议你去测一下智商。
我不是要骂你,我是真的觉得《游子吟》太弱智了,弱智得令人难以想象。

talking
asked
questions
here.

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Dear Friend,
: I think it's too hard for you to believe anything just through me talking
: here. I recommended two books for you:
: 1. 游子吟
: 2. 铁证待判 by 麦道卫
: Many scientists, who want proves, who asked the same question that you asked
: , have read those books, and liked them.
: Why don't you read them, and we discuss more here? If you have any questions
: about the explanations in the book, I am willing to discuss with you here.

x***x
发帖数: 3401
225
hehe
你是新警察吧
这2本书都被驳得体无完肤了你还好意思推荐呐

asked
questions

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Dear Friend,
: I think it's too hard for you to believe anything just through me talking
: here. I recommended two books for you:
: 1. 游子吟
: 2. 铁证待判 by 麦道卫
: Many scientists, who want proves, who asked the same question that you asked
: , have read those books, and liked them.
: Why don't you read them, and we discuss more here? If you have any questions
: about the explanations in the book, I am willing to discuss with you here.

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
226
叫many的那个

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 很多 scientists 看了 游子吟?还很喜欢?
: 哪些科学家?
:
: asked
: questions
: 你家
: 守?

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
227
法轮功是政治斗争,已经不光是宗教问题了,
能告诉我法轮功是因为哪一点被定为邪教的吗?

【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 我对flg的看法和我对jdj的看法一样的.
: 你觉得flg应该被定为邪教吗
: 但我告诉他们无论什么时候都来要说谎。
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~什么意思

x***x
发帖数: 3401
228
基督教里面做见证的时候说谎的不要太多 你还好意思笑flg说谎

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 不好意思,打错了,是什么时候都不要说谎
w*********r
发帖数: 3382
229
forget about it
i believe we are arguing with some christian housewives with poor education
i'd rather spend my afternoon kicking the dirt

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 很多 scientists 看了 游子吟?还很喜欢?
: 哪些科学家?
:
: asked
: questions
: 你家
: 守?

v********2
发帖数: 516
230
Try the other one. Maybe I have a lower IQ because I think it's great. But
that's the physician's responsibility to judge that, right?:)
If the other one is "Silly" in your eyes too, I will introduce the thrid one.

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: 天啊!!!你看过《游子吟》吗?你相信吗?我一直觉得,只有极其弱智的人才会被《
: 游子吟》这种书
: 忽悠。真诚地建议你去测一下智商。
: 我不是要骂你,我是真的觉得《游子吟》太弱智了,弱智得令人难以想象。
:
: talking
: asked
: questions
: here.

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l*****a
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231
微微安同学不是要拿这两本书来证明耶稣在历史上存在过吧。。。
v********2
发帖数: 516
232
Many scientist who came to my church to study more about Jesus.
Some have been studied or researched on this topic for years, just like (
QiLIKACHA). I don't think they are all low IQ, stupid people. I think they
douted about Jesus way more than others, because they studied science for
years.

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 很多 scientists 看了 游子吟?还很喜欢?
: 哪些科学家?
:
: asked
: questions
: 你家
: 守?

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
233
做见证的时候还敢说谎,
太可怕了
对了告诉我一下法轮功为什么是邪教?

【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 基督教里面做见证的时候说谎的不要太多 你还好意思笑flg说谎
l*****a
发帖数: 38403
234
据说法轮功里的博士教授也不少

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Many scientist who came to my church to study more about Jesus.
: Some have been studied or researched on this topic for years, just like (
: QiLIKACHA). I don't think they are all low IQ, stupid people. I think they
: douted about Jesus way more than others, because they studied science for
: years.

v********2
发帖数: 516
235
Don't say that. Let's have normal discussion here, without saying "stupid"
or other judgmental words. Just have some normal discussion.
I am not a housewive. I may be one in the future. I am a college graduate
student, a commen student from a common college.
And the only thing I want to do here, is to have some discussion with the
ones who have different opinions on Jesus. And I want to tell you what I
think about it.
That's all

education

【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: forget about it
: i believe we are arguing with some christian housewives with poor education
: i'd rather spend my afternoon kicking the dirt

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
236
是不是非法集会?加上收取国外资金?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 做见证的时候还敢说谎,
: 太可怕了
: 对了告诉我一下法轮功为什么是邪教?

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
237
你的信仰是建立在耶稣上的,那说说耶稣的历史存在吧

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Don't say that. Let's have normal discussion here, without saying "stupid"
: or other judgmental words. Just have some normal discussion.
: I am not a housewive. I may be one in the future. I am a college graduate
: student, a commen student from a common college.
: And the only thing I want to do here, is to have some discussion with the
: ones who have different opinions on Jesus. And I want to tell you what I
: think about it.
: That's all
:
: education

l*******e
发帖数: 3584
238
不清楚了,这就可成了邪教,那也太可怕了吧。
是不是你不明白什么叫邪教
这东西可是有法律证明的。

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 是不是非法集会?加上收取国外资金?
o**1
发帖数: 6383
239
比较过其他宗教吗?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Don't say that. Let's have normal discussion here, without saying "stupid"
: or other judgmental words. Just have some normal discussion.
: I am not a housewive. I may be one in the future. I am a college graduate
: student, a commen student from a common college.
: And the only thing I want to do here, is to have some discussion with the
: ones who have different opinions on Jesus. And I want to tell you what I
: think about it.
: That's all
:
: education

x***x
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240
flg定为邪教难道不是因为他们的信徒盲目相信莫须有的东西. 说出奇怪的话来, 作出
奇怪的事来.

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 做见证的时候还敢说谎,
: 太可怕了
: 对了告诉我一下法轮功为什么是邪教?

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l*****a
发帖数: 38403
241
不清楚指的是啥?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 不清楚了,这就可成了邪教,那也太可怕了吧。
: 是不是你不明白什么叫邪教
: 这东西可是有法律证明的。

x***x
发帖数: 3401
242
你明白的话, 你来讲讲吧 什么是邪教

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 不清楚了,这就可成了邪教,那也太可怕了吧。
: 是不是你不明白什么叫邪教
: 这东西可是有法律证明的。

v********2
发帖数: 516
243
No. I accepted Jesus when I was in college in China, before I read those
book.

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 微微安同学不是要拿这两本书来证明耶稣在历史上存在过吧。。。
v********2
发帖数: 516
244
Read the second book I told you. It's more thorough than I told you the
prove.

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 你的信仰是建立在耶稣上的,那说说耶稣的历史存在吧
l*****a
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245
.....?
你要说啥?我问的,是基督在历史上存在的证据啊,

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: No. I accepted Jesus when I was in college in China, before I read those
: book.

v********2
发帖数: 516
246
Yes. Many other religions don't tell clearly how the world was created. And
how human beings were created. And what death is, where we are going after
death. And compared with the definition of Love from other religions, I
think Christionality defines Love way more convincing.

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 比较过其他宗教吗?
l*******e
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我就是不明白。要说他们反党的事儿我知道,
但是邪教的事儿,也不知道怎么就成了。
而且越做越实。

【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 你明白的话, 你来讲讲吧 什么是邪教
v********2
发帖数: 516
248
Please read the second book I recommend to you. And if you hate it, I will
give you a third one.
They told more thorough than I can explain here.

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: .....?
: 你要说啥?我问的,是基督在历史上存在的证据啊,

l*****a
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都和你说了,那两本书这版上已经讨论的烂了,顺便问问,你不会是对这些东西都不加
分析就认为是真理吧

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Read the second book I told you. It's more thorough than I told you the
: prove.

l*****a
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第三本是啥? 直接说了吧,谢谢

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Please read the second book I recommend to you. And if you hate it, I will
: give you a third one.
: They told more thorough than I can explain here.

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o**1
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你说的这些,伊斯兰教好像都说了吧。

And

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Yes. Many other religions don't tell clearly how the world was created. And
: how human beings were created. And what death is, where we are going after
: death. And compared with the definition of Love from other religions, I
: think Christionality defines Love way more convincing.

v********2
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I myself believe it is truth not because any books, not because any one said
anything to me. I was against Jesus a long while before. But after a long
sickness which lasted for nine months, I tried many hospital, many doctors,
medicines, nothing can help. I didn't believe Jesus at that time. And
finally, I remembered a sister from church suggested me to pray for God to
cure me, and I tried. The next week, I was fully recovered. It's a true
story. I still don't know why today. And from that day on, I started to
study Jesus, and it still took me two more years to really believe in Him.

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 都和你说了,那两本书这版上已经讨论的烂了,顺便问问,你不会是对这些东西都不加
: 分析就认为是真理吧

l*****a
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什么病?方便的话

said
,

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: I myself believe it is truth not because any books, not because any one said
: anything to me. I was against Jesus a long while before. But after a long
: sickness which lasted for nine months, I tried many hospital, many doctors,
: medicines, nothing can help. I didn't believe Jesus at that time. And
: finally, I remembered a sister from church suggested me to pray for God to
: cure me, and I tried. The next week, I was fully recovered. It's a true
: story. I still don't know why today. And from that day on, I started to
: study Jesus, and it still took me two more years to really believe in Him.

v********2
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But 伊斯兰教 believes Human Body Bomb and killing others can give them soul
and going to heaven, I don't think it's reasonable. Do you?

【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 你说的这些,伊斯兰教好像都说了吧。
:
: And

v********2
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Don't remember the exact name. I am going to check it out and tell you later.

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 第三本是啥? 直接说了吧,谢谢
l*****a
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可兰经哪里写的?
按规模来讲,基督徒十字军,屠杀女巫可是邪恶的多了

soul

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: But 伊斯兰教 believes Human Body Bomb and killing others can give them soul
: and going to heaven, I don't think it's reasonable. Do you?

l*****a
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。。。。。你自己都没看过的就别麻烦了

later.

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Don't remember the exact name. I am going to check it out and tell you later.
x***x
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你的意思是你不觉得flg是邪教?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我就是不明白。要说他们反党的事儿我知道,
: 但是邪教的事儿,也不知道怎么就成了。
: 而且越做越实。

q**********5
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天啊!那么多很简单的逻辑漏洞你都看不出来吗?
你去测一下你的智商好不好?

But
one.

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Try the other one. Maybe I have a lower IQ because I think it's great. But
: that's the physician's responsibility to judge that, right?:)
: If the other one is "Silly" in your eyes too, I will introduce the thrid one.

x***x
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恭喜啊. 那你以后得病了都不用吃药不用去医院了吧

said
,

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: I myself believe it is truth not because any books, not because any one said
: anything to me. I was against Jesus a long while before. But after a long
: sickness which lasted for nine months, I tried many hospital, many doctors,
: medicines, nothing can help. I didn't believe Jesus at that time. And
: finally, I remembered a sister from church suggested me to pray for God to
: cure me, and I tried. The next week, I was fully recovered. It's a true
: story. I still don't know why today. And from that day on, I started to
: study Jesus, and it still took me two more years to really believe in Him.

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o**1
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捍卫真主呀,基督教历史上也干过类似的事。不 reasonable 的事多了。

soul

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: But 伊斯兰教 believes Human Body Bomb and killing others can give them soul
: and going to heaven, I don't think it's reasonable. Do you?

v********2
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No. I don't mean I don't need hospital, or medicines any more. I just want
to tell you my story. Nothing else. But that actually happened on me. I don'
t know how to explain it.

【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 恭喜啊. 那你以后得病了都不用吃药不用去医院了吧
:
: said
: ,

l*****a
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我还知道老爷爷肺癌自愈了的呢,人家可没祈祷,还是个反基

don'

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: No. I don't mean I don't need hospital, or medicines any more. I just want
: to tell you my story. Nothing else. But that actually happened on me. I don'
: t know how to explain it.

x***x
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为啥还要去呢, 花钱又废时间? 你不是说一祷告就好了么? 不是很灵么?

don'

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: No. I don't mean I don't need hospital, or medicines any more. I just want
: to tell you my story. Nothing else. But that actually happened on me. I don'
: t know how to explain it.

x***x
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那肯定是有基督徒暗暗在帮老爷爷祷告呗. 不然怎么可能自己好啊. 打针吃药都不管用
呢.

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 我还知道老爷爷肺癌自愈了的呢,人家可没祈祷,还是个反基
:
: don'

v********2
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Because sometimes, God will cure people through bringing them good doctors,
new technologies, no medicines, and stuff. Sometimes God cure you through
Prayer. Bible said, you knock on the door, he will open the door for you.
Which door he will open, you never know.

【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 为啥还要去呢, 花钱又废时间? 你不是说一祷告就好了么? 不是很灵么?
:
: don'

v********2
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God loves people no matter that one believes in him or not. If he only loves
the one who believes in him, it's not love.

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 我还知道老爷爷肺癌自愈了的呢,人家可没祈祷,还是个反基
:
: don'

v********2
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It's Jesus who prayed for this old man. Because in the Bible, you can see
many places where tell that Jesus is praying for all of us all the time.

【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 那肯定是有基督徒暗暗在帮老爷爷祷告呗. 不然怎么可能自己好啊. 打针吃药都不管用
: 呢.

x***x
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那那些没治好死了的人, god开的是哪扇门? 地狱之门也算吗?

,

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Because sometimes, God will cure people through bringing them good doctors,
: new technologies, no medicines, and stuff. Sometimes God cure you through
: Prayer. Bible said, you knock on the door, he will open the door for you.
: Which door he will open, you never know.

x***x
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270
既然jesus为所有人都pray过了, 你再去pray是不是有点多此一举? 别人自己没pray不
也好了吗

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: It's Jesus who prayed for this old man. Because in the Bible, you can see
: many places where tell that Jesus is praying for all of us all the time.

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l*****a
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那基督徒一定是没有因为癌症致命的了?

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: It's Jesus who prayed for this old man. Because in the Bible, you can see
: many places where tell that Jesus is praying for all of us all the time.

l*****a
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那些没治好的都不是真基,没有反基老爷爷那么真,

【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 那那些没治好死了的人, god开的是哪扇门? 地狱之门也算吗?
:
: ,

q**********5
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vivian1012 同学,你瞎掰的“sin is death”怎么不继续了?
约翰一书 5:17 凡不义的事都是罪。也有不至于死的罪。
l*******e
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你的意思是?

【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 你的意思是你不觉得flg是邪教?
q**********5
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有时候,身体的病和心理的情绪是密切相关的。
在国内看到一个电视节目:东北一个老太太,得了癌症,医生说只有几个月了。老太太
彻底放下了,也不去想病的事了,冬泳,唱歌,跳舞,想干啥就去干啥,结果癌症就没
了。后来老太太还参加了那种才艺选拔的节目,差点就杀入决赛。
人家老太太不信基督教也不祷告啊。
醒醒吧,不要自己骗自己了。基督教是骗人的,这是毫无疑问的。
l*******e
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同理,按你的说法科学也是骗人的了。
不要骗自己了,现代医学本来就骗了很多人,这也是毫无疑问的。

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: 有时候,身体的病和心理的情绪是密切相关的。
: 在国内看到一个电视节目:东北一个老太太,得了癌症,医生说只有几个月了。老太太
: 彻底放下了,也不去想病的事了,冬泳,唱歌,跳舞,想干啥就去干啥,结果癌症就没
: 了。后来老太太还参加了那种才艺选拔的节目,差点就杀入决赛。
: 人家老太太不信基督教也不祷告啊。
: 醒醒吧,不要自己骗自己了。基督教是骗人的,这是毫无疑问的。

v********2
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罗马书3:23,“因为世人都犯了罪,亏缺了神的荣耀;”
罗马书3:10,“就如经上所记:没有义人,连一个也没有;”
罗马书6:23,“因为罪的工价乃是死,”

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: vivian1012 同学,你瞎掰的“sin is death”怎么不继续了?
: 约翰一书 5:17 凡不义的事都是罪。也有不至于死的罪。

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
278

哈哈哈!真奇怪啊,你拿出来的是“圣经”经文,我拿出来的也是“圣经”经文,你拿
一段“圣经”去反驳另
外一段“圣经”么?
基督徒们的脑子真是奇怪啊。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 罗马书3:23,“因为世人都犯了罪,亏缺了神的荣耀;”
: 罗马书3:10,“就如经上所记:没有义人,连一个也没有;”
: 罗马书6:23,“因为罪的工价乃是死,”

l*****a
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对,那老爷子也差不多

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: 有时候,身体的病和心理的情绪是密切相关的。
: 在国内看到一个电视节目:东北一个老太太,得了癌症,医生说只有几个月了。老太太
: 彻底放下了,也不去想病的事了,冬泳,唱歌,跳舞,想干啥就去干啥,结果癌症就没
: 了。后来老太太还参加了那种才艺选拔的节目,差点就杀入决赛。
: 人家老太太不信基督教也不祷告啊。
: 醒醒吧,不要自己骗自己了。基督教是骗人的,这是毫无疑问的。

b*****o
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这个可以收了

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 同理,按你的说法科学也是骗人的了。
: 不要骗自己了,现代医学本来就骗了很多人,这也是毫无疑问的。

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q**********5
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vivian1012 同学,怎么不继续了?

哈哈哈!真奇怪啊,你拿出来的是“圣经”经文,我拿出来的也是“圣经”经文,你拿
一段“圣经”去反驳另外一段“圣经”么?
基督徒们的脑子真是奇怪啊。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 罗马书3:23,“因为世人都犯了罪,亏缺了神的荣耀;”
: 罗马书3:10,“就如经上所记:没有义人,连一个也没有;”
: 罗马书6:23,“因为罪的工价乃是死,”

l*****a
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你给她电话了没?

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: vivian1012 同学,怎么不继续了?
:
: 哈哈哈!真奇怪啊,你拿出来的是“圣经”经文,我拿出来的也是“圣经”经文,你拿
: 一段“圣经”去反驳另外一段“圣经”么?
: 基督徒们的脑子真是奇怪啊。

l*******e
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你们这些自以为了解圣经,却不知圣经讲的是什么,只会断章取义的东西
你们这些自以为知道科学,却不知道科学的局限性,认为科学是万能的白痴
你们这些号称自己有思维有逻辑,却连逻辑的北都找不找着的软蛋
你们这些只会叫“你说不说”,“你说不说”,“你照不照着我的要求说”的不知
是什么地方来的奴才
有本事的自己先去拍着自己的良心问问自己信什么,信的东西是不是真的。
对于你们自己不能理解的东西,只会一次次地再问,别不把自己当白痴,
有骨气的一点儿,别只在这闹,我们最少还敢到街上宣传我们的信仰,
真可惜到现在也没有哪个国家的宪法敢写不让人信基督,
就是在逼迫下基督徒还是有勇气告诉周围的人我信神。
你们也去呀,走到街上哪怕发个传单也好,也让更多的人知道你反对基督教。
千万别再说我写得多了你们看不到重点,我知道你们就那么点儿本事。
b*****o
发帖数: 482
284
拍照留念
GWM请整段收录

你们这些自以为了解圣经,却不知圣经讲的是什么,只会断章取义的东西
你们这些自以为知道科学,却不知道科学的局限性,认为科学是万能的白痴
你们这些号称自己有思维有逻辑,却连逻辑的北都找不找着的软蛋
你们这些只会叫“你说不说”,“你说不说”,“你照不照着我的要求说”的不知
是什么地方来的奴才
有本事的自己先去拍着自己的良心问问自己信什么,信的东西是不是真的。
对于你们自己不能理解的东西,只会一次次地再问,别不把自己当白痴,
有骨气的一点儿,别只在这闹,我们最少还敢到街上宣传我们的信仰,
真可惜到现在也没有哪个国家的宪法敢写不让人信基督,
就是在逼迫下基督徒还是有勇气告诉周围的人我信神。
你们也去呀,走到街上哪怕发个传单也好,也让更多的人知道你反对基督教。
千万别再说我写得多了你们看不到重点,我知道你们就那么点儿本事。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你们这些自以为了解圣经,却不知圣经讲的是什么,只会断章取义的东西
: 你们这些自以为知道科学,却不知道科学的局限性,认为科学是万能的白痴
: 你们这些号称自己有思维有逻辑,却连逻辑的北都找不找着的软蛋
: 你们这些只会叫“你说不说”,“你说不说”,“你照不照着我的要求说”的不知
: 是什么地方来的奴才
: 有本事的自己先去拍着自己的良心问问自己信什么,信的东西是不是真的。
: 对于你们自己不能理解的东西,只会一次次地再问,别不把自己当白痴,
: 有骨气的一点儿,别只在这闹,我们最少还敢到街上宣传我们的信仰,
: 真可惜到现在也没有哪个国家的宪法敢写不让人信基督,
: 就是在逼迫下基督徒还是有勇气告诉周围的人我信神。

l*******e
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象你这种不知道规矩的人,大可以继续,继续你的无耻,
被封了就换个马甲再来,有没有点儿自知,
知不知道你有投诉的权力?连用都不敢吧。
你有没有脑子我都觉得奇怪。

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: vivian1012 同学,怎么不继续了?
:
: 哈哈哈!真奇怪啊,你拿出来的是“圣经”经文,我拿出来的也是“圣经”经文,你拿
: 一段“圣经”去反驳另外一段“圣经”么?
: 基督徒们的脑子真是奇怪啊。

t*****z
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286
大家又再断章取义了
b*****o
发帖数: 482
287
想问一句你为什么突然情绪失控了? 可以通过祷告控制一下自己的情绪再来发帖吗?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你们这些自以为了解圣经,却不知圣经讲的是什么,只会断章取义的东西
: 你们这些自以为知道科学,却不知道科学的局限性,认为科学是万能的白痴
: 你们这些号称自己有思维有逻辑,却连逻辑的北都找不找着的软蛋
: 你们这些只会叫“你说不说”,“你说不说”,“你照不照着我的要求说”的不知
: 是什么地方来的奴才
: 有本事的自己先去拍着自己的良心问问自己信什么,信的东西是不是真的。
: 对于你们自己不能理解的东西,只会一次次地再问,别不把自己当白痴,
: 有骨气的一点儿,别只在这闹,我们最少还敢到街上宣传我们的信仰,
: 真可惜到现在也没有哪个国家的宪法敢写不让人信基督,
: 就是在逼迫下基督徒还是有勇气告诉周围的人我信神。

l*****a
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288
你回答问题有你pa这么直白就好了,

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 象你这种不知道规矩的人,大可以继续,继续你的无耻,
: 被封了就换个马甲再来,有没有点儿自知,
: 知不知道你有投诉的权力?连用都不敢吧。
: 你有没有脑子我都觉得奇怪。

t*****z
发帖数: 812
289
理解理解,人家是恨铁不成钢啊。
看这末日快到了,还有很多人没有得救心里急啊

【在 b*****o 的大作中提到】
: 想问一句你为什么突然情绪失控了? 可以通过祷告控制一下自己的情绪再来发帖吗?
m*********g
发帖数: 11102
290
全然败坏了

【在 b*****o 的大作中提到】
: 想问一句你为什么突然情绪失控了? 可以通过祷告控制一下自己的情绪再来发帖吗?
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另一个较真的问题:天使为什要堕落?你对数字敏感么?
“How Art Thou Fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer!”John 11 "Jesus wept"
t*****z
发帖数: 812
291
呵呵,不要把人家想的那么坏吗



【在 m*********g 的大作中提到】
: 全然败坏了
l*****a
发帖数: 38403
292
那活死人怎么样?

【在 t*****z 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵,不要把人家想的那么坏吗
:
: 嘛

t*****z
发帖数: 812
293
更恐怖

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 那活死人怎么样?
m*********g
发帖数: 11102
294
那就叫耶稣如何?

【在 t*****z 的大作中提到】
: 更恐怖
l*******e
发帖数: 3584
295
你们真地好玩儿,别人说真话的时候你们怎么会觉得是情绪失控?
你们根本不了解什么叫做自由,别忘了你无论想藏什么都有一个神知道,
所以基督徒根本不需要隐藏自己的想法。
t*****z
发帖数: 812
296
受不起吧

【在 m*********g 的大作中提到】
: 那就叫耶稣如何?
l*****a
发帖数: 38403
297
对对,啥叫自由就你知道,骂街就是自由的表现,不需隐藏,被神所爱,满意了不?
会不会让你情绪好点?

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你们真地好玩儿,别人说真话的时候你们怎么会觉得是情绪失控?
: 你们根本不了解什么叫做自由,别忘了你无论想藏什么都有一个神知道,
: 所以基督徒根本不需要隐藏自己的想法。

t*****z
发帖数: 812
298
自由啊。。。。
又让我想起一首歌了

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 对对,啥叫自由就你知道,骂街就是自由的表现,不需隐藏,被神所爱,满意了不?
: 会不会让你情绪好点?

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
299
哪个?

【在 t*****z 的大作中提到】
: 自由啊。。。。
: 又让我想起一首歌了

t*****z
发帖数: 812
300
歌曲:赐我自由
赐自由的灵呀求你来
来到我的里面来到我的生活
赶走生活中的愁烦
驱走我心中的不安
你的灵啊在哪里
哪里就有自由
世界虽有劳苦重担
求你灵来赐我自由
赐自由的灵呀求你来
来到我的里面来到我的生活
赶走生活中的愁烦
驱走我心中的不安
你的灵啊在哪里

【在 t*****z 的大作中提到】
: 自由啊。。。。
: 又让我想起一首歌了

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l*****a
发帖数: 38403
301
很有家家户户迎闯王,闯王来了不纳粮的风味

【在 t*****z 的大作中提到】
: 歌曲:赐我自由
: 赐自由的灵呀求你来
: 来到我的里面来到我的生活
: 赶走生活中的愁烦
: 驱走我心中的不安
: 你的灵啊在哪里
: 哪里就有自由
: 世界虽有劳苦重担
: 求你灵来赐我自由
: 赐自由的灵呀求你来

b*****o
发帖数: 482
302
原来上面的发言才是你的真话
那你真的不用再装文明人了, 挺累的.

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你们真地好玩儿,别人说真话的时候你们怎么会觉得是情绪失控?
: 你们根本不了解什么叫做自由,别忘了你无论想藏什么都有一个神知道,
: 所以基督徒根本不需要隐藏自己的想法。

w*********r
发帖数: 3382
303
collapsed
nice, this is what i am waiting for
now you are behaving like your god, good christian, carry on!

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你们这些自以为了解圣经,却不知圣经讲的是什么,只会断章取义的东西
: 你们这些自以为知道科学,却不知道科学的局限性,认为科学是万能的白痴
: 你们这些号称自己有思维有逻辑,却连逻辑的北都找不找着的软蛋
: 你们这些只会叫“你说不说”,“你说不说”,“你照不照着我的要求说”的不知
: 是什么地方来的奴才
: 有本事的自己先去拍着自己的良心问问自己信什么,信的东西是不是真的。
: 对于你们自己不能理解的东西,只会一次次地再问,别不把自己当白痴,
: 有骨气的一点儿,别只在这闹,我们最少还敢到街上宣传我们的信仰,
: 真可惜到现在也没有哪个国家的宪法敢写不让人信基督,
: 就是在逼迫下基督徒还是有勇气告诉周围的人我信神。

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
304

will
基督教的这种垃圾太多,读完第三本,你又来第四本,第五本,...
谁有这么多时间啊?
要认清基督教的邪恶本质,读“圣经”就够了。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: Please read the second book I recommend to you. And if you hate it, I will
: give you a third one.
: They told more thorough than I can explain here.

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
305
vivian1012 同学,怎么不继续了?

哈哈哈!真奇怪啊,你拿出来的是“圣经”经文,我拿出来的也是“圣经”经文,你拿
一段“圣经”去反驳另外一段“圣经”么?
基督徒们的脑子真是奇怪啊。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 罗马书3:23,“因为世人都犯了罪,亏缺了神的荣耀;”
: 罗马书3:10,“就如经上所记:没有义人,连一个也没有;”
: 罗马书6:23,“因为罪的工价乃是死,”

B********s
发帖数: 3610
306
是啊,古往今来在这个板上看过无数基督徒,都是这一个模子里刻出来的。

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 转圈转不过了就开始指责他人了,基督徒的行为还真一致
v********2
发帖数: 516
307
说一个你觉得最可笑的逻辑漏洞,我来再次想一想行吗?
我觉得我读了这么多年书,也取得了不少成果,不应该IQ特别低。所以我想,你给我指
出一个,我可以
想明白

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: 天啊!那么多很简单的逻辑漏洞你都看不出来吗?
: 你去测一下你的智商好不好?
:
: But
: one.

v********2
发帖数: 516
308
已经在前面讲了很多次了,创世纪第一章,神把生气吹到亚当的鼻孔里,亚当就成了“
有灵的活人”。所
以,只有肉体不叫活人,有灵魂才是活人。而灵魂是什么?灵魂是神给我们的,让我们
和他沟通的工
具。但是罪让我们和神隔绝,我们不认罪,不悔改,不恢复和神的关系,我们就是指肉
体或者,但是并
不是神定义的“活人”。那些没有治好“肉体”的人,但是悔改了归信主的人,他们灵
是活的。肉体的死亡
不是真的死,灵死了才是真的死。

【在 x***x 的大作中提到】
: 那那些没治好死了的人, god开的是哪扇门? 地狱之门也算吗?
:
: ,

v********2
发帖数: 516
309
因为我去查资料了,我不想凭着记忆乱回答。我查了比较权威的解经书Unger's Bible
Handbook
by Merill F. Unger
罗马书中说“罪的工价就是死”,说的是灵魂的死。不悔改罪,肉体可能没有任何伤害
,但是你的灵魂是
死的。最后的审判后,结果就是去地狱。肉体活着,不是神说的“活”,因为创世纪第
二章“神把生气吹到
亚当的鼻孔里,他就成了有灵的活人”,没有灵不是活人,只是肉体而已。罪的工价就
是,灵魂死了,与
神隔绝,除非悔改,因为耶稣已经为我们死了,用血救了我们的生命。
约翰一书 5:17 凡不义的事都是罪。也有不至于死的罪。Unger书中是按照希腊文翻
译过来的,比较
有信服力,因为圣经是用希腊文最开始写的说道“All unrighteousness is sin, but
there
is a sin which is not unto physical death."
你看,没有任何矛盾。这里的死是肉体的死(physical death)你杀了一个人,你的肉
体很可能不会
死,你可能逃跑,也可能被判无期。不一定肉体死。但是和罗马书中讲的完全一样,不
悔改,灵魂的死
是一定的。

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: vivian1012 同学,怎么不继续了?
:
: 哈哈哈!真奇怪啊,你拿出来的是“圣经”经文,我拿出来的也是“圣经”经文,你拿
: 一段“圣经”去反驳另外一段“圣经”么?
: 基督徒们的脑子真是奇怪啊。

v********2
发帖数: 516
310
去查了查资料,我不想没有根据说话。答案在page 16

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: vivian1012 同学,怎么不继续了?
:
: 哈哈哈!真奇怪啊,你拿出来的是“圣经”经文,我拿出来的也是“圣经”经文,你拿
: 一段“圣经”去反驳另外一段“圣经”么?
: 基督徒们的脑子真是奇怪啊。

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v********2
发帖数: 516
311
当讨论的一方,不肯正常思考问题,刚硬着心不去回答他所信的爱是什么的时候,耶稣
也是在责备这些
人的。保罗也是责备他们的,因为爱,所以责备,这不是情绪失控。因为耶稣说了,牧
羊的人不舍得让
他的一只羊羔丢失。你们都是迷路的羊,当主来找寻你们的时候,不要太硬着心不肯听
主的祷告和责
备。

【在 b*****o 的大作中提到】
: 想问一句你为什么突然情绪失控了? 可以通过祷告控制一下自己的情绪再来发帖吗?
v********2
发帖数: 516
312
是这样的。每一个真的爱主的基督徒都会焦急。因为”那日子近了,但是麦子还没有收
割“。
我们凭着自己,做不到什么。而主让我们得到了非常多凭我们自己得不到的,真的喜乐
平安,真的美好
的婚姻家庭,真的理解和牺牲。我们没有主的爱,这些都做不到。

【在 t*****z 的大作中提到】
: 理解理解,人家是恨铁不成钢啊。
: 看这末日快到了,还有很多人没有得救心里急啊

v********2
发帖数: 516
313
没有惧怕,是很可怕的。而对这么长的历史这么多的实事不肯多家研究就全盘否定,这
样的”自信“也是
很可怕的。认识神要有谦卑的心。需要你真的谦卑。对神不存敬畏的心,用这么恶毒的
言语攻击神,是
很可怕的。你用九年就说认清了基督教,还有神的本质。可是神用了多少千万年来预备
人可以生存的地
球。你的认识是有局限的。

【在 q**********5 的大作中提到】
: vivian1012 同学,怎么不继续了?
:
: 哈哈哈!真奇怪啊,你拿出来的是“圣经”经文,我拿出来的也是“圣经”经文,你拿
: 一段“圣经”去反驳另外一段“圣经”么?
: 基督徒们的脑子真是奇怪啊。

v********2
发帖数: 516
314
一个模子刻出来的,因为我们信仰的神是同一位。不是顺着你们的话说就是对的。神就
无数次的指责那
些刚硬不肯悔改的人。大家心里想想,自己到底有没有罪。你们真的就愿意被懒惰,贪
婪,骄傲,嫉
妒,纷争,说谎,作假见证缠绕吗?真的觉得这些在自己的身上特别的无所谓,即使有
可以改好的机会
也不愿意改好吗?你们真的觉得仅凭你们自己,可以丢掉这些罪吗?你们不愿意自己生
命中,有爱充满
吗?

【在 B********s 的大作中提到】
: 是啊,古往今来在这个板上看过无数基督徒,都是这一个模子里刻出来的。
l*****a
发帖数: 38403
315
太一致了,应该归纳一个pattern出来

【在 B********s 的大作中提到】
: 是啊,古往今来在这个板上看过无数基督徒,都是这一个模子里刻出来的。
q**********5
发帖数: 2181
316

好啊,你随便列举你认为很好的一章,我来告诉你问题在哪里。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 说一个你觉得最可笑的逻辑漏洞,我来再次想一想行吗?
: 我觉得我读了这么多年书,也取得了不少成果,不应该IQ特别低。所以我想,你给我指
: 出一个,我可以
: 想明白

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
317
可笑!你真的懂希腊文吗?因为没几个人懂希腊文,这样的忽悠倒是能忽悠一些人的。
但是,实际上,我们根本不需要懂希腊文。这里,我们只需要逻辑就够了。请思考:凡
以“圣经”的时
候,你家“全知全能”的主子管不管啊?如果管,会出现这样的翻译错误吗?
以后不要拿“翻译问题”出来忽悠人。如果“圣经”有翻译问题,那就是在抽你家“全
知全能”的主子的
耳光。

Bible

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 因为我去查资料了,我不想凭着记忆乱回答。我查了比较权威的解经书Unger's Bible
: Handbook
: by Merill F. Unger
: 罗马书中说“罪的工价就是死”,说的是灵魂的死。不悔改罪,肉体可能没有任何伤害
: ,但是你的灵魂是
: 死的。最后的审判后,结果就是去地狱。肉体活着,不是神说的“活”,因为创世纪第
: 二章“神把生气吹到
: 亚当的鼻孔里,他就成了有灵的活人”,没有灵不是活人,只是肉体而已。罪的工价就
: 是,灵魂死了,与
: 神隔绝,除非悔改,因为耶稣已经为我们死了,用血救了我们的生命。

q**********5
发帖数: 2181
318
基督徒们缺少的恰恰就是谦卑。基督徒们嘴巴上说要“谦卑”,实际上是无与伦比的傲
慢。
基督徒们都自以为找到了“唯一真理”,无数铁的证据基督徒们都拒绝相信。
真是可悲啊。

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 没有惧怕,是很可怕的。而对这么长的历史这么多的实事不肯多家研究就全盘否定,这
: 样的”自信“也是
: 很可怕的。认识神要有谦卑的心。需要你真的谦卑。对神不存敬畏的心,用这么恶毒的
: 言语攻击神,是
: 很可怕的。你用九年就说认清了基督教,还有神的本质。可是神用了多少千万年来预备
: 人可以生存的地
: 球。你的认识是有局限的。

l*****a
发帖数: 38403
319
那开设宗教审判所,血腥猎杀女巫也是因为你们的神是一位咯,这个好
如果你认为懒惰,贪婪,骄傲,嫉妒,纷争,说谎,等等等等这些人性的弱点,(注意
不是罪哦)信了你的神就
可以改正,我只能说一声太可怜了,非基里的好人坏人比率和基督徒没啥不一样吧,犯
罪比例可能还相对低点
非基生活中大致也不需要认为小婴儿是该死的,和自己信仰不同的都是活死人这种爱吧,
第三次和你说了,不要侮辱爱这个字

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 一个模子刻出来的,因为我们信仰的神是同一位。不是顺着你们的话说就是对的。神就
: 无数次的指责那
: 些刚硬不肯悔改的人。大家心里想想,自己到底有没有罪。你们真的就愿意被懒惰,贪
: 婪,骄傲,嫉
: 妒,纷争,说谎,作假见证缠绕吗?真的觉得这些在自己的身上特别的无所谓,即使有
: 可以改好的机会
: 也不愿意改好吗?你们真的觉得仅凭你们自己,可以丢掉这些罪吗?你们不愿意自己生
: 命中,有爱充满
: 吗?

B********s
发帖数: 3610
320
呵呵,说你胖你还喘上了。是你们的神教育你们从来不正面回答问题就会云里雾里瞎绕
弯么?另外,有任何证据表明基督徒比非基更不懒惰,不贪婪,不骄傲,不嫉妒,不纷
争,不说谎,不做假见证么?(对了,非基们从不做见证,所有有做假见证的一定是基
了,恩)

【在 v********2 的大作中提到】
: 一个模子刻出来的,因为我们信仰的神是同一位。不是顺着你们的话说就是对的。神就
: 无数次的指责那
: 些刚硬不肯悔改的人。大家心里想想,自己到底有没有罪。你们真的就愿意被懒惰,贪
: 婪,骄傲,嫉
: 妒,纷争,说谎,作假见证缠绕吗?真的觉得这些在自己的身上特别的无所谓,即使有
: 可以改好的机会
: 也不愿意改好吗?你们真的觉得仅凭你们自己,可以丢掉这些罪吗?你们不愿意自己生
: 命中,有爱充满
: 吗?

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A pastor told me sth. that drove me crazy另一个较真的问题:天使为什要堕落?
Is There a Burning Hell? ZT“How Art Thou Fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer!”
说说嘁哩喀喳这个人zzTHE NAME "LUCIFER" HAS NEVER BELONGED TO SATAN!
l*******e
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他并没有说谁别谁怎么样了,
你们是不是自己觉得比基督徒不上呢?
如果说你们有一点儿不如基督徒,就是基督徒知道自己的这些不是,而且知道自己
解决不了这些问题。你们非基不这么认为。

【在 B********s 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵,说你胖你还喘上了。是你们的神教育你们从来不正面回答问题就会云里雾里瞎绕
: 弯么?另外,有任何证据表明基督徒比非基更不懒惰,不贪婪,不骄傲,不嫉妒,不纷
: 争,不说谎,不做假见证么?(对了,非基们从不做见证,所有有做假见证的一定是基
: 了,恩)

l*****a
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绕啊绕啊,
不从数据和历史来看,就从这个版面基的总体表现来看,这个不是你们的神也根本无能
为力么

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 他并没有说谁别谁怎么样了,
: 你们是不是自己觉得比基督徒不上呢?
: 如果说你们有一点儿不如基督徒,就是基督徒知道自己的这些不是,而且知道自己
: 解决不了这些问题。你们非基不这么认为。

l*******e
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你根本看不到,与你们的讨论中基督徒的信心如何更加坚固,
这就是神的功,你们不去看,也不想看。

【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 绕啊绕啊,
: 不从数据和历史来看,就从这个版面基的总体表现来看,这个不是你们的神也根本无能
: 为力么

l*****a
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在你们被反洗脑时逼到极点无言以对只能靠这种说法给自己拼命洗脑的时候,我个人觉
得你们是很可怜啦,
不过说实话俺不太在乎,说到在我们,思考在你们,你的脑袋你做主,嗯

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你根本看不到,与你们的讨论中基督徒的信心如何更加坚固,
: 这就是神的功,你们不去看,也不想看。

l******a
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我们是要传福音,可是有时候也要远离那些无知的辩论.
B********s
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怎么,不信基督教还不能知道自己有缺点了?不过跟基督徒不同的是,我知道我自己的
缺点是我自己的问题,不是从父母祖先那里遗传来的,赖不着他们。

【在 l*******e 的大作中提到】
: 他并没有说谁别谁怎么样了,
: 你们是不是自己觉得比基督徒不上呢?
: 如果说你们有一点儿不如基督徒,就是基督徒知道自己的这些不是,而且知道自己
: 解决不了这些问题。你们非基不这么认为。

l*****a
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俗语说,真理越辩越明,不过看来基督徒的真理辩论不得,完全是靠信和自我安慰出来的

【在 l******a 的大作中提到】
: 我们是要传福音,可是有时候也要远离那些无知的辩论.
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