h*******s
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player (Hope is the best thing) 于 (Sun Nov 13 17:40:20 2011, 美东) 提到:
继续提高版上人气，也许老大可以搞个有奖征文，
大家说说自己得意的bluff，要把bluff 的思路讲清楚。 然后大家投票，得票最多者
奖励30 个包子。
当然，也后也可以讲best laydown，best thin value bet 一类，但俺觉得还是best
bluff 最刺激。
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nanpa (nanpa) 于 (Sun Nov 13 18:11:42 2011, 美东) 提到:
算不上最好的bluff，但还是很刺激，上周末的home game， 1/2
EP, raise to $7，CO call, button call，
hero SM 35o
$7 在这个桌上是个比较小的raise,后面两个limp应该也只是中/小对或SC之类的牌... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 2 我常在casino干过的bluff种类：
1. Raise flop donk/probe bet。donk bet一般是weakness的标志。
2. float flop bet in position and raise the turn。
3. 3-barrel。 Make sure that I am all in with a pot-sized bet on the
river.
This works against those who can fold top pair.
4. semibluff check raise huge when everyone shows weakness.
这些都是常用套路，没啥新鲜的。我个人听过的最牛的bluff还是fcf打出来的。
绝对的高级战术 （下面是转贴）：
fcf 发表于 2010-9-20 05:28:47 |只看该作者 |倒序浏览
这手牌是几个月以前在Vegas玩的， 那时刚到Rio， 看看朋友比赛， 等几个朋友一起吃饭， 没
事干就上了个2-5的桌子玩玩， 那时是WSOP，所以Rio里玩家平均水平比其他的赌场有好一点，... 阅读全帖 |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 3 of couse you can just fold here, even not bluff and let it go.
But sometime you have to think what is the opponent thought.
why he do that, what hand he put you on, is it a good chance to bluff,
even this time you may failed, next time you know what he is thinking then
can bluff him or catch his bluff.
Poker is fun not like the way most people play. |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 4 没打过这么高的stake,不了解玩家的thinking level. 瞎说啊。既然80%确定是AA，非
要bluff的话，flop or river 比较好一点。可以delayed bluff at river. 就这手牌
，恐怕对手转牌过牌，是准备接你的shove 了，即使没有Ah.
当然，最好是flop 就弃牌。我以前也是忍不住去bluff 大牌。后来版上同学一语中的
，问我为什么喜欢pushing nuts. 发现这是性格使然。现在不那么做了，经常是fell
weakness 的时候bluff. 效果好很多。
的。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 5 of couse you can just fold here, even not bluff and let it go.
But sometime you have to think what is the opponent thought.
why he do that, what hand he put you on, is it a good chance to bluff,
even this time you may failed, next time you know what he is thinking then
can bluff him or catch his bluff.
Poker is fun not like the way most people play. |
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i***a
发帖数: 4718 | 6 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: iviva (not again), 信区: USANews
标 题: 床铺bluff老习要单挑朝鲜
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Apr 2 23:23:48 2017, 美东)
床铺每次bluff估计都觉得自己特牛逼。上次医改不是bluff freedom caucus吗？结果
咋样？ |
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l****g
发帖数: 420 | 7 Anyone knows about the 4S ranch Lone Bluff Way Sliding? How big the impact
is from that sliding?
Looks like the houses that had the problem were off on Lone Bluff Way which
backed right on to the hill which probably made those houses unstable. How
about the houses on Lone Bluff Drive & Palomino Mesa Rd.? They would be
involved as well? Is there any govenment info. that I can check on? |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 8 this hand is hard to guess.this guy did an oversize bet on the river. oversi
ze bet is very hard to predict. most of them come from newbies. but pros als
o use oversize bet from time to time. he sensed your weakness on the turn an
d may well decided to bluff with the scary river card. however, such bluff i
s more scary if he only betted $30 or so. now he betted $80, you have to fig
ure out if he just did an inexperienced bluff or he intended to make you thi
nk this way. I lean towards calling.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 9 继续提高版上人气，也许老大可以搞个有奖征文，
大家说说自己得意的bluff，要把bluff 的思路讲清楚。 然后大家投票，得票最多者
奖励30 个包子。
当然，也后也可以讲best laydown，best thin value bet 一类，但俺觉得还是best
bluff 最刺激。 |
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w****4
发帖数: 143 | 10 主要是打得也不够稳，觉得不bluff的坏处有：
1，有一些边缘牌call进去老是损失，但是个人如果能有适当的bluff就能补回来一些
2，如果完全不bluff，基本上只能靠运气了，拿不到好牌就赢不了钱 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 11 今早的一手牌
UTG(Hero) $2584 with Kc Kd
BTN(wild fish) $1194
SB(weak tight) $2151 with Ah Ad
BTN 就是在我另一篇帖子里介绍的wild fish。SB 在NL600里属于相对weak tight型的。
Preflop:
Hero limp in
BTN raises to $54
SB re-raises to $252
Hero calls
BTN folds
我当时看他3bet的size第一反应就是可别碰到AA啊。所以就flat call了。
Flop:
Jh 7h 5d
SB bet $395
Hero call $395
他cbet size也超大，我其实理智知道他最起码80%可能是AA，另外20%是KK和QQ，但其
他因素还是让我call了。
Turn: 2h
SB check
Hero shove $1938
SB tank call $1505
Turn 出来同花可能，我想这是我唯一的机会拿下这个pot,如果check就等于放弃了。当
时pot $1300多，我当时觉得只有shove一条路了... 阅读全帖 |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 12 this hand is hard to guess.this guy did an oversize bet on the river. oversi
ze bet is very hard to predict. most of them come from newbies. but pros als
o use oversize bet from time to time. he sensed your weakness on the turn an
d may well decided to bluff with the scary river card. however, such bluff i
s more scary if he only betted $30 or so. now he betted $80, you have to fig
ure out if he just did an inexperienced bluff or he intended to make you thi
nk this way. I lean towards calling.
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S*********g
发帖数: 24893 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: StephenKing (金博士), 信区: USANews
标 题: 傻逼川普企图bluff民主党失败了。川普认怂。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 18 12:54:31 2018, 美东)
傻逼川普企图bluff民主党失败了。川普认怂。
前几天，川普还牛逼兮兮地威胁shumer和pelosi。今天川普认怂，不再威胁关闭政府了。
美国历史上，有这么傻逼的总统吗？？？？ |
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i***a
发帖数: 4718 | 14 床铺每次bluff估计都觉得自己特牛逼。上次医改不是bluff freedom caucus吗？结果
咋样？ |
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l******n
发帖数: 220 | 15 我现在发现这个问题的根源不是卖家代理是不是bluff，而是我不确定卖家代理说没说
过这句话。我们的代理告诉我们三点：1.卖家代理说don't waste your time if 845K
，2.我们必须在两小时之内做好offer，3.卖家代理不接受escalation cause，所以我
们必须一下子就出我们能出的最高价。我感觉这个非常的咄咄逼人。卖家代理到底说没
说这些，我也不知道。
如果真说了，那我信，因为过两三个月你的房子的成交价就会公开，到时候一看便知。
如果你bluff，那你的名声就完了。
如果没说过，那就是我们的代理骗我们。我们的代理不让我们直接跟卖家代理联系，卖
家代理也不允许我们直接跟他们联系。两个代理之间说的话我们完全听不到，感觉就是
人为刀俎我为鱼肉。
而且买方代理有动机骗我们，因为他希望买家出高价，这样可以保险的拿到房子，省的
到时候offer因为价低被拒，自己写offer的时间全白费，然后又要花好多时间带买家看
房。
而且买方代理骗我们被抓住的可能性比较小，因为我们基本永远都不可能有直接跟卖方
代理接触的机会。就算两三个月以后看到公开的成交价很低，那买家代理可... 阅读全帖 |
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l******n
发帖数: 220 | 16 对对对，手续费不值一提，就像我说的，关键是买家代理想马上促成交易，省的自己再
耽误时间，所以希望买家出高价。
我没有接触过很多代理，但是这行水深，是众所周知的。不过要是您说根据您的经验，
多数代理还是愿意为买家着想的，那就好。
但是您觉得我们的代理的话可信吗？卖家代理说过这些话吗？刚刚给另一位热心网友回
了贴，转帖一下，您看看说的有道理不：
我现在发现这个问题的根源不是卖家代理是不是bluff，而是我不确定卖家代理说没说
过这句话。我们的代理告诉我们三点：1.卖家代理说don't waste your time if 845K
，2.我们必须在两小时之内做好offer，3.卖家代理不接受escalation cause，所以我
们必须一下子就出我们能出的最高价。我感觉这个非常的咄咄逼人。卖家代理到底说没
说这些，我也不知道。
如果真说了，那我信，因为过两三个月你的房子的成交价就会公开，到时候一看便知。
如果你bluff，那你的名声就完了。
如果没说过，那就是我们的代理骗我们。我们的代理不让我们直接跟卖家代理联系，卖
家代理也不允许我们直接跟他们联系。两个代理之间说的话我们完全听不到，感... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 这事有蹊跷。
HR管个屁事，能不能涨，涨多少都是你老板决定，牵头的事，你对于HR来讲，就只是个
employee id 32425，你做什么的，有多少价值，讨价还价余地，它们是不知道的，也
不屑于知道，能把你名字叫对就不错了。
除非：
1) 你老板已经决定了数字或者范围，让HR通知你；
2) 你老板不准备给你涨或者很少，想让口若悬河，花言巧语的HR来给你说说公司多好
，安稳军心；
3) 让能说会道的HR套你的底，再做定夺。
总之，bluff没错，但是不要寄希望太大，他们都是人精，门清得很，不会那么容易被
你诈的，还不如"诚恳"一点说自己觉得underpay了，"无意"流露出遗憾。
此外，要bluff就得有点素材，别让人家反问你一句"oh, did you already have
interviews with them?" "how do you know it's a better paid position?"
给噎着了。 |
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H*****5
发帖数: 8 | 18 Start from this Saturday, Lake Bluff Rec Center opens for badminton two
times a week: Saturday morning (9:00am to 11:00am) and Wednesday night (7:
00pm to 9:00pm). Address is 355 West Washington Avenue,Lake Bluff, IL 60044,
admission fee is $5 each. There are three wood courts and players of
different levels. |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 19 The first hand is like a bluff. How can this 4 help him? Even if he holds so
mething like 34, 104, J4, you still beat him. Only a set of 4 beats you but
he would likely fold on the turn for a pair of 4. So my guess is he's bluffi
ng and you can raise.
For the second hand, if he flopped the straight, you're dead. Or if he has a
n A, he could call your turn bet with a gutshot straight draw. So this bet s
eems to be a value bet, not a bluff. I would fold. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 20 He must have a pair.
Try to remember what he does in similar situation.
If I bluff this way, I would follow up to allin.
Since you already put in so much, if you stop, you get nothing.
There is still chance for him to fold( since you looked like a big pocket pair). Even if he call and beat you, then you will give other players an impression that, you like to bluff this way, and next time when you have good cards, they will tend to call. That is also a value to you.
pot. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 is this a check river then or second barrel on turn? people obviously don't treat check turn as control pot size at all. 3/4 th pot seems a perfect size to me to bluff though. it is a value bets that crying for a call to me.
most
Qx
.
in |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 i guess at micro levels, more ppl treat check as weakness than anything else.
't treat check turn as control pot size at all. 3/4 th pot seems a perfect
size to me to bluff though. it is a value bets that crying for a call to me
. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 23 如果你第一手把对方放在over pair, 那你显然不应该bluff, 而且pot odds 很好
have
am |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 你实说pocket 5s不会call. so it is an ok bluff on river? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 the first hand is really what they have.
they limp call 4X raise multiway pot. They definitely don't have AA KK AK.
Probably a suited connector or small pair or Ax suited card. With a board
like this is perfect to bluff since the chance for them to hit set is low.
The guy fold flop has nothing. the guy who called flop might have a weak A
or a flush draw that he choose to lay down. Great flop to bluff after your
squeeze play. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 26 拿到AA, 被人先3 bet, 再4bet,我flat call 先， 不信每次都能被人bad beat, flop donkey bet all in, 敌人忍不住还是call 了。
真实的思路： 我有AA， 旁边有人3bet, 如果是AK,那么big blinds基本也拿AA的可能为0。
Then:
1. 他如果KK/QQ, 并且稍微tight, 我5bet all in他可能fold, 如果我flat call, flop 只要没有Ace, 他必然all in, 我赢
2. 他如果4bet bluff，如果我5 bet,肯定fold了，如果我flat call,这种4 bet bluff的人应该是胆子贼大贼大的那种， flop 多半会c-bet, 一旦c-bet, 基本就pot committed, 我all in他多半call,我赢。
3. post-flop 如果被bad beat,就认了， 这年头， AA不被bad beat都不好意思发文章。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 27 This is not catching bluff..There is no bluff from him. He is just raising light. you have half of your stack in the pot already
preflop.. no one is going anywhere after flop. and your goal is to make him put all the chips in the pot not try to scare him away which you almost did. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 28 这样说吧， 我觉得不是KK/AA而用37bb来4 bet 有4个人的pot， 都是bluff.
我flop all in是怕turn/river出现high cards把它吓走，或者把我吓住， turn/river出现任何一张J/Q/K， 我都不敢再all in, 因为JJ/QQ/KK在他的range里面， 如果turn/river出现Ace, 同样也是scare card, 他会fold， 我flop all in 装AK bluff,或者装small pocket pair装着赌他AK.
我的思路很明确， preflop flat call的时候就已经想好了。
Do
that
probably way ahead
in
great move.. but the all in after flop is completely opposite of what you
are trying to achieve. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 没办法.. 好牌老SUCK OUT, 只能用次牌bluff 赢了.. lol....
Today's lesson is "how to turn your small pocket pair into a bluff"... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 30 too weak tight.
1) hand 1, she's determined to bluff you from the very beginning. ask
yourself why she dares to do so? is your playing style too ABC? table image
too weak? or the $ you put on the table makes you uncomfortable? ...
2) hand 2, to catch a bluff, it always starts from board reading and range
analysis, otherwise unless you hold the stone cold nuts, it's always a tough
decision.
just like this hand, could he have 22/88/99? surely, but these are only some
hands in his range, busted flu... 阅读全帖 |
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p*****d
发帖数: 130 | 31 这个很同意，其实我觉得不是bluff都得抓，关键是要看准是不是bluff。看准了就不要
犹豫【 在 patrickcp (梨叔) 的大作中提到: 】
regular
, |
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h*****e
发帖数: 215 | 32 呵呵，其实对于第二个很赞同，后来发现那个家伙确实玩的很烂，没有多久就busted
哎，可怜我老是被fish bluff，倒是玩的好的一般不乱bluff，基本上都是treat it
like a business.
player
fact it probably is a leak. There is no way he has a boat as played. If I
check river, i probably check shove to get full value from trip Qs |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 33 sounds like impossible to me how he came back from 20 to 500 with pure bluff
, in live there are so many ppl willing to call down with bottom pairs,
worst place to bluff...
for
beginning
be |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 34 from 20 to $100, no, he didn't bluff, only crying coin flips like 77 vs two
overs alike.
from $100 to $500, yes, most was from no show down rivers, ppl were just
weak passive (and out of position too) to his all-ins. it might seem to be
fine when he pushed his last $60 into a $80 pot in the beginning, then he
got more teeth, and then even more teeth, next time he pushed $150 on river,
then $200 on river... ppl were pissed but still "patiently" waiting for the
"gold" hands to catch him.
bluff |
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 35 昨天一手牌感觉被bluff了， 还没有办法抓。 2/5 game， UTG是个loose call
station bluffer, 很喜欢river all-in bluff. 他有$700左右， UTG limp， 我在中
卫有$900, rasied to $20 with 99, LP 一家call, UTG call. 3 way pot. FLOP Q, 9
, 6. UTG check, I bet $40, LP fold, UTG call. Turn Q, he check, I check. 心
想这下要抓住他了。 River Q ， 他 ALL-IN $600， 还真没有办发call。 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 36 怕他fold，只打算induce river bluff。也不是不能这样做。但一般来说这样不合算，
pot太小了，bet一下，没准对方turn就bluff了。
现在问题是river到底能不能call，还是挺头大的。 |
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s********d
发帖数: 364 | 37 我bluff很多，失败成功都不少，但总的来说听profitable的。
还是来说一把我自己最满意的抓bluff的牌。蛮有意思的。
朋友间的home game，彼此都比熟悉的。
10c/20c game.
我button 97 hearts, raise to 80c.
about 3 or 4 callers.
flop Q63, Q6 HEARTS.
check to me. i bet 2.2, one caller.
turn J， NO FLUSH.
check to me. I BET 3.8. GET CALLED AGAIN.
RIVER Q.
he lead out bet 6.5.
I called with 9 high.
he instant muck. I showed him 97.
he said unbelievable call, and told me he had 45.
best |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 38 not sure that I fully understand his line here.
First, I think QTs could be in UTG's range,which he could play exactly
same way. Obviously , he would not lay that down.
Second, it order to make this bluff +EV, it really depends his study on
UTG player and each other's image. With Hero's loose image and the pot odds,
UTG definately can make the call with hand like AJ.
I agree with fcf that this kind of play works way better in online short
handed game. For live game, lots of imag... 阅读全帖 |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 39 nice bluff! always feels so good to bluff a big pot |
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h**n
发帖数: 981 | 40 first hand is nuts unless the 9 is heart, not much drama there.
Totally don't understand the second one.
I feel more like you got caught with a bluff rather than caught a bluff. |
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h**n
发帖数: 981 | 41 first hand is nuts unless the 9 is heart, not much drama there.
Totally don't understand the second one.
I feel more like you got caught with a bluff rather than caught a bluff. |
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w****4
发帖数: 143 | 42 玩了也有一段时间了，发现自己基本不敢bluff，最多就是在有一些outs的情况下semi
bluff一下，如果对手call了，之后就不敢继续了。
是不是这样根本就不适合玩poker？ |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 43
如果总是call的不对,那就少call一些marginal hands. 这个和bluff没关系. 如果要
补一下,不是靠bluff,要trap with good hands.
nit也是可以profitable的. |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 44 对，你value range肯定是2 pairs +。比较可能的是KJ,AT。但应该也有一定比例的
bluff，包括把weak hand变bluff。但如果之前你一直很agrresive,我手上的K可能不会
放的。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 45 我觉得Villain很难相信我是bluff,因为这是个rainbow board, flop的时候也没有
connect的牌，我不太可能是先draw再bluff. |
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g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 46 有人说不要用all in bluff，还是很有道理。你既然知道对方很可能是AA，就check
call 到底就行了，有时候投降是最好的选择，留着脑袋才能搞革命。对方在turn上都
check了，你也应该check，这样少输很多。
到turn上已经有三张红桃，SB check就是怕你已经flush。如果这时候你打个500也许更
像flush。你要是真的draw到flush肯定不会all in 把对方赶跑。所以SB感觉你不是
flush，再加上他有Ah，所以就call了。如果turn上你用500 bluff就算不成功，对方在
river上也不敢再bet，所以这500也算是blocking bet减少损失. |
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c*******y
发帖数: 1630 | 47 一般我会找机会对喜欢bluff的人，先check，等他raise，再reraise
时间长了,check -> reraise的对手，有bluff，也有就喜欢这么打的。
感觉一半一半啊。吃了几次亏以后，一般reraise比较大，倾向于fold |
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c***m
发帖数: 56 | 48 老公要到那边工作，下个周末会和他一起去踩点。
认真的在精华区里学习了以后，除了little rock的Sam's Oriental和K Oriental，在
white
hall/pine bluff附近有亚洲超市吗？
white hall/pine bluff镇上购物逛街，租房买房，生活机能等怎么样？还是大家把家
都安在在little
rock?
有从稍大点的城市搬去的兄弟姐妹可以谈谈心得体会吗？
问题很多，大家随便聊，先多谢了！ |
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l********r
发帖数: 868 | 49 The first hand is like a bluff. How can this 4 help him? Even if he holds so
mething like 34, 104, J4, you still beat him. Only a set of 4 beats you but
he would likely fold on the turn for a pair of 4. So my guess is he's bluffi
ng and you can raise.
For the second hand, if he flopped the straight, you're dead. Or if he has a
n A, he could call your turn bet with a gutshot straight draw. So this bet s
eems to be a value bet, not a bluff. I would fold. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 50 He must have a pair.
Try to remember what he does in similar situation.
If I bluff this way, I would follow up to allin.
Since you already put in so much, if you stop, you get nothing.
There is still chance for him to fold( since you looked like a big pocket pair). Even if he call and beat you, then you will give other players an impression that, you like to bluff this way, and next time when you have good cards, they will tend to call. That is also a value to you.
pot. |
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