h*****e
发帖数: 215 | 1 昨天玩了几手牌，很惭愧被bluff了两把
1）我BB position raise KQs,all fold esp the middle position limper called,
flop 6K6,I checked, she checked, 然后 turn 8,她check,我bet 3/4 pot,she
called, river blank, I bet 2/3 pot for value, she push all-in(about 2 pot
size to call).
After about 1 min, I tanked. she showed 23s. @#@#$@%$
2) I min raise with TJs at the BB, the UTG called me. The flop come with 892
,two diamond,I checked, he checked behind, one the turn,Q comes he bet about
half the pot, I raise 3x and he called. the river is another Q and I
checked, he bet 100 bucks, about 2/3 pot, I think a little bit, fold!!!!!!!!
I put he on 88,99,22. So scared to call the bet. He showed the JK diamond.
#@%$%$#%#$@%
必须承认，我自己也意识到自己在river call big bet的能力很弱，老是把别人的牌力
想的很强，而fold掉一些winner，不知道大家是如何call river的big bet even shove。 特别在那些ｆｌｏｐ有ｆｌｕｓｈ或者ｓｔｒａｉｇｈｔ的可能情况下，而自己没有那张牌的情况下。
哎，.突然发现自己才是大家口中所说的不折不扣的fish ：（（（ | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 2
需要具体的stack size， bet size才知道，她的风格呢？
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【在 h*****e 的大作中提到】
: 昨天玩了几手牌，很惭愧被bluff了两把
: 1）我BB position raise KQs,all fold esp the middle position limper called,
: flop 6K6,I checked, she checked, 然后 turn 8,她check,我bet 3/4 pot,she
: called, river blank, I bet 2/3 pot for value, she push all-in(about 2 pot
: size to call).
: After about 1 min, I tanked. she showed 23s. @#@#$@%$
: 2) I min raise with TJs at the BB, the UTG called me. The flop come with 892
: ,two diamond,I checked, he checked behind, one the turn,Q comes he bet about
: half the pot, I raise 3x and he called. the river is another Q and I
: checked, he bet 100 bucks, about 2/3 pot, I think a little bit, fold!!!!!!!!
| h*****e
发帖数: 215 | 3 呵呵，那个女的打的很简单，有牌就ｒａｉｓｅ，然后也会ｌａｔｅ ｐｏｓｔｉｏｎ
ｓｑｕｅｚｚｅ，同时因为我在牌桌子上显得比较笨拙，所以她言语之间很是不屑的
样子，然后很想和我HUD玩。
属于tptk不能fold的。
stake size和我差不多的样子。
第二个我其实诱使他bluff，不过我不知道当时自己脑子里如何想的，那个思维混乱啊
，早上4点钟的样子，在venetian,这个大号的机会都没有抓住，这里shove应该是最好
的play,fold简直不可理喻，at least call。哎，也许自己开始就没有一个很好的plan
:( | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 too weak tight.
1) hand 1, she's determined to bluff you from the very beginning. ask
yourself why she dares to do so? is your playing style too ABC? table image
too weak? or the $ you put on the table makes you uncomfortable? ...
2) hand 2, to catch a bluff, it always starts from board reading and range
analysis, otherwise unless you hold the stone cold nuts, it's always a tough
decision.
just like this hand, could he have 22/88/99? surely, but these are only some
hands in his range, busted flush draws are there too, plus over played A9,
TT/JJ etc... many other possibilites too. you can't always put your
opponents on the strong end of their range.
also, observe their betting size too, why do they bet this much here, and
then that much there? do they expect a call or not? what's their normal
betting size/image/tilt?... playing cards is at the basic level, playing ppl
is higher, and playing situation is even higher.
if you're still too worried, control the pot size and play more in position.
you may not maximize your winnings but you build your confidence over time.
892
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【在 h*****e 的大作中提到】
: 昨天玩了几手牌，很惭愧被bluff了两把
: 1）我BB position raise KQs,all fold esp the middle position limper called,
: flop 6K6,I checked, she checked, 然后 turn 8,她check,我bet 3/4 pot,she
: called, river blank, I bet 2/3 pot for value, she push all-in(about 2 pot
: size to call).
: After about 1 min, I tanked. she showed 23s. @#@#$@%$
: 2) I min raise with TJs at the BB, the UTG called me. The flop come with 892
: ,two diamond,I checked, he checked behind, one the turn,Q comes he bet about
: half the pot, I raise 3x and he called. the river is another Q and I
: checked, he bet 100 bucks, about 2/3 pot, I think a little bit, fold!!!!!!!!
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 Hand 1. bet flop.
hand 2. probably shove river... if check, call any bet~~~
老中image 一般weak tight. 上次dealer made fun of me 说我放筹码都像舍不得。 He said "push the chips in. Don't be like a virgin on prom night" don
't know what that means.. but ok... Knowing your own image is half of the
success. Exploiting it is the other half. | h*****e
发帖数: 215 | 6 weak tight，确实如此，特别是开始stack size比较小的时候。而后来stake size 很
大的时候，有点play scared money的感觉，很不好！！！ | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 7 since I have no knowledge of your opponent, so I assume she is an ok regular
first hand, it's bluff or had you beaten, it's actually not a bad fold
unless she knew you will always fold to big river raise without nuts, then
it's your problem and she is very good to exploit you with this, so for
future reference
if you can't call river shove, don't bet at river, that's a thin value bet,
and if you bet, you need to think about what to do if she raises,
second hand is your real problem, too weak tight, are you playing scare
money?
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【在 h*****e 的大作中提到】
: 昨天玩了几手牌，很惭愧被bluff了两把
: 1）我BB position raise KQs,all fold esp the middle position limper called,
: flop 6K6,I checked, she checked, 然后 turn 8,她check,我bet 3/4 pot,she
: called, river blank, I bet 2/3 pot for value, she push all-in(about 2 pot
: size to call).
: After about 1 min, I tanked. she showed 23s. @#@#$@%$
: 2) I min raise with TJs at the BB, the UTG called me. The flop come with 892
: ,two diamond,I checked, he checked behind, one the turn,Q comes he bet about
: half the pot, I raise 3x and he called. the river is another Q and I
: checked, he bet 100 bucks, about 2/3 pot, I think a little bit, fold!!!!!!!!
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 8
He said "push the chips in. Don't be like a virgin on prom night" don
prom night, us teen usually lose their virgin on a prom night, lol
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1. bet flop.
: hand 2. probably shove river... if check, call any bet~~~
: 老中image 一般weak tight. 上次dealer made fun of me 说我放筹码都像舍不得。 He said "push the chips in. Don't be like a virgin on prom night" don
: 't know what that means.. but ok... Knowing your own image is half of the
: success. Exploiting it is the other half.
| h*****e
发帖数: 215 | 9 呵呵，那个女的就说了小心被大家把钱榨干了。
原话忘记了
不过我也确实后来从这个女的手里赢了好几牌，最后她被bust两次走人 | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 Hand 1 is a tough call. She rep a 6 pretty well. But if you bet flop, it
decrease her chances of bluffing a lot.
Hand 2 is the type of bluff live fishreg likes to make. Not really reping
anything but they will take a stab regardless because weak tight live player
will fold to them very often. So they think it is a great play but in fact it probably is a leak. There is no way he has a boat as played. If I check river, i probably check shove to get full value from trip Qs | | | p*****d
发帖数: 130 | 11 这个很同意，其实我觉得不是bluff都得抓，关键是要看准是不是bluff。看准了就不要
犹豫【 在 patrickcp (梨叔) 的大作中提到: 】
regular
, | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 I know that.. but why does that have anything to do with my way of putting
chips in the pot? I replied with "floor.. change dealer please."
prom night, us teen usually lose their virgin on a prom night, lol
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
:
: He said "push the chips in. Don't be like a virgin on prom night" don
: prom night, us teen usually lose their virgin on a prom night, lol
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 13 coz you tremble like a virgin about to lose her first night
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I know that.. but why does that have anything to do with my way of putting
: chips in the pot? I replied with "floor.. change dealer please."
:
: prom night, us teen usually lose their virgin on a prom night, lol
| h*****e
发帖数: 215 | 14 第一手，有点想trap她的意思，我知道她肯定会bet或者not believe me。
第二手牌，没的说，明显的错误:(
He said "push the chips in. Don't be like a virgin on prom night" don
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1. bet flop.
: hand 2. probably shove river... if check, call any bet~~~
: 老中image 一般weak tight. 上次dealer made fun of me 说我放筹码都像舍不得。 He said "push the chips in. Don't be like a virgin on prom night" don
: 't know what that means.. but ok... Knowing your own image is half of the
: success. Exploiting it is the other half.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 keep playing like a virgin and let those bastards bully, they'll pay big for
their entertainment anyway, lol.
another chinese guy who i played with last time at borgata. in the beginning
, he appeared as the "typical tight" asian. one hand he over played his AK
on TPTK turn and got busted (i almost kicked him as a sure fold)...
then that hand turned him into a total beast... he refused to reload and
kept playing with his last $20. i felt pity for him and guessed he might be
a poor unlucky guy.
then he made a few small desperate hands, and came back to ~$100, still,
very short and pitiful.
from there, he played super LAG, and bluffed like crazy with pure air like
24o and showed each bluff. his stack went up to $500 in half an hour. he
squeezed and pushed all around... until one hand his so-called "baby combo"
missed against a reg's 55 set, a $900 pot on the flop.
he's then again down to $65. i picked up AKo at UTG. for his stack size, i
knew he's pushing if i limp and folding if i do the normal 6x.
since he's on my left+1, i really felt uncomfortable with him around, i had
to kill him when he got almost no teeth, so i decided to limp squeeze.
UTG+1 (a TAG reg) called, yes, he came along to bet $15, one weak caller
behind, i immediately pushed to $65 to put him all-in, which to the whole
table was like a million (if from me, lol). UTG+1 thought for a sec and
folded his JJ (thanks).
he made a crying call with 77 and asked if i got AA, i told him he's ahead
and board came as AJxKx.
he then left to play 2/5NL.
He said "push the chips in. Don't be like a virgin on the prom night" don
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1. bet flop.
: hand 2. probably shove river... if check, call any bet~~~
: 老中image 一般weak tight. 上次dealer made fun of me 说我放筹码都像舍不得。 He said "push the chips in. Don't be like a virgin on prom night" don
: 't know what that means.. but ok... Knowing your own image is half of the
: success. Exploiting it is the other half.
| h*****e
发帖数: 215 | 16 呵呵，其实对于第二个很赞同，后来发现那个家伙确实玩的很烂，没有多久就busted
哎，可怜我老是被fish bluff，倒是玩的好的一般不乱bluff，基本上都是treat it
like a business.
player
fact it probably is a leak. There is no way he has a boat as played. If I
check river, i probably check shove to get full value from trip Qs
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1 is a tough call. She rep a 6 pretty well. But if you bet flop, it
: decrease her chances of bluffing a lot.
: Hand 2 is the type of bluff live fishreg likes to make. Not really reping
: anything but they will take a stab regardless because weak tight live player
: will fold to them very often. So they think it is a great play but in fact it probably is a leak. There is no way he has a boat as played. If I check river, i probably check shove to get full value from trip Qs
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 17 sounds like impossible to me how he came back from 20 to 500 with pure bluff
, in live there are so many ppl willing to call down with bottom pairs,
worst place to bluff...
for
beginning
be
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: keep playing like a virgin and let those bastards bully, they'll pay big for
: their entertainment anyway, lol.
: another chinese guy who i played with last time at borgata. in the beginning
: , he appeared as the "typical tight" asian. one hand he over played his AK
: on TPTK turn and got busted (i almost kicked him as a sure fold)...
: then that hand turned him into a total beast... he refused to reload and
: kept playing with his last $20. i felt pity for him and guessed he might be
: a poor unlucky guy.
: then he made a few small desperate hands, and came back to ~$100, still,
: very short and pitiful.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 Not really true. You just have to pick your spot with some equity.
worst place to bluff...
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: sounds like impossible to me how he came back from 20 to 500 with pure bluff
: , in live there are so many ppl willing to call down with bottom pairs,
: worst place to bluff...
:
: for
: beginning
: be
| h*****e
发帖数: 215 | 19 恩，现场很多人确实玩的比较松，尤其是那些看上去还比较decent的regular，也许是
他们相信自己的read. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 from 20 to $100, no, he didn't bluff, only crying coin flips like 77 vs two
overs alike.
from $100 to $500, yes, most was from no show down rivers, ppl were just
weak passive (and out of position too) to his all-ins. it might seem to be
fine when he pushed his last $60 into a $80 pot in the beginning, then he
got more teeth, and then even more teeth, next time he pushed $150 on river,
then $200 on river... ppl were pissed but still "patiently" waiting for the
"gold" hands to catch him.
bluff
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: sounds like impossible to me how he came back from 20 to 500 with pure bluff
: , in live there are so many ppl willing to call down with bottom pairs,
: worst place to bluff...
:
: for
: beginning
: be
| | | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 21 你的位置描述有点混乱，比如第一手她怎么能先check turn，第二手你turn raise
应该是check-raise。
第二手raise 3x太多，2.5X就可以，如果他call，river主动bet大概40%，基本不考虑
fold。
第一手river我不会bet这么多for value，也许1/3 pot。但我不清楚我river value
bet size是不是太少了。一般来说，如果我的牌不是那么强，或者非常强但我认为对方
没什么东西，我只bet 1/3左右，因为没人call就没value。我见很多人bet 2/3，有时
我也会pay off这种value bet。
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【在 h*****e 的大作中提到】
: 昨天玩了几手牌，很惭愧被bluff了两把
: 1）我BB position raise KQs,all fold esp the middle position limper called,
: flop 6K6,I checked, she checked, 然后 turn 8,她check,我bet 3/4 pot,she
: called, river blank, I bet 2/3 pot for value, she push all-in(about 2 pot
: size to call).
: After about 1 min, I tanked. she showed 23s. @#@#$@%$
: 2) I min raise with TJs at the BB, the UTG called me. The flop come with 892
: ,two diamond,I checked, he checked behind, one the turn,Q comes he bet about
: half the pot, I raise 3x and he called. the river is another Q and I
: checked, he bet 100 bucks, about 2/3 pot, I think a little bit, fold!!!!!!!!
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 22 Agree. Knowing your image in others' eyes and exploiting it is important.
He said "push the chips in. Don't be like a virgin on prom night" don
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1. bet flop.
: hand 2. probably shove river... if check, call any bet~~~
: 老中image 一般weak tight. 上次dealer made fun of me 说我放筹码都像舍不得。 He said "push the chips in. Don't be like a virgin on prom night" don
: 't know what that means.. but ok... Knowing your own image is half of the
: success. Exploiting it is the other half.
| h*****e
发帖数: 215 | 23 呵呵，两手牌我都没有position，第一手他是check behind in flop,call in the
turn.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 你的位置描述有点混乱，比如第一手她怎么能先check turn，第二手你turn raise
: 应该是check-raise。
: 第二手raise 3x太多，2.5X就可以，如果他call，river主动bet大概40%，基本不考虑
: fold。
: 第一手river我不会bet这么多for value，也许1/3 pot。但我不清楚我river value
: bet size是不是太少了。一般来说，如果我的牌不是那么强，或者非常强但我认为对方
: 没什么东西，我只bet 1/3左右，因为没人call就没value。我见很多人bet 2/3，有时
: 我也会pay off这种value bet。
:
: 892
| l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 24 昨天一手牌感觉被bluff了， 还没有办法抓。 2/5 game， UTG是个loose call
station bluffer, 很喜欢river all-in bluff. 他有$700左右， UTG limp， 我在中
卫有$900, rasied to $20 with 99, LP 一家call, UTG call. 3 way pot. FLOP Q, 9
, 6. UTG check, I bet $40, LP fold, UTG call. Turn Q, he check, I check. 心
想这下要抓住他了。 River Q ， 他 ALL-IN $600， 还真没有办发call。 | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 CALL~~~~ also bet turn~~~
check turn is burning $$ on fire~~~~
9
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 昨天一手牌感觉被bluff了， 还没有办法抓。 2/5 game， UTG是个loose call
: station bluffer, 很喜欢river all-in bluff. 他有$700左右， UTG limp， 我在中
: 卫有$900, rasied to $20 with 99, LP 一家call, UTG call. 3 way pot. FLOP Q, 9
: , 6. UTG check, I bet $40, LP fold, UTG call. Turn Q, he check, I check. 心
: 想这下要抓住他了。 River Q ， 他 ALL-IN $600， 还真没有办发call。
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 26 check turn。。。。。 why？
9
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 昨天一手牌感觉被bluff了， 还没有办法抓。 2/5 game， UTG是个loose call
: station bluffer, 很喜欢river all-in bluff. 他有$700左右， UTG limp， 我在中
: 卫有$900, rasied to $20 with 99, LP 一家call, UTG call. 3 way pot. FLOP Q, 9
: , 6. UTG check, I bet $40, LP fold, UTG call. Turn Q, he check, I check. 心
: 想这下要抓住他了。 River Q ， 他 ALL-IN $600， 还真没有办发call。
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 27 怕他fold，只打算induce river bluff。也不是不能这样做。但一般来说这样不合算，
pot太小了，bet一下，没准对方turn就bluff了。
现在问题是river到底能不能call，还是挺头大的。
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: check turn。。。。。 why？
:
: 9
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 28 Hand one, if you lead out OOP on river, you need call the allin shove.
Or you should just check on river and call/fold to allin.
892
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【在 h*****e 的大作中提到】
: 昨天玩了几手牌，很惭愧被bluff了两把
: 1）我BB position raise KQs,all fold esp the middle position limper called,
: flop 6K6,I checked, she checked, 然后 turn 8,她check,我bet 3/4 pot,she
: called, river blank, I bet 2/3 pot for value, she push all-in(about 2 pot
: size to call).
: After about 1 min, I tanked. she showed 23s. @#@#$@%$
: 2) I min raise with TJs at the BB, the UTG called me. The flop come with 892
: ,two diamond,I checked, he checked behind, one the turn,Q comes he bet about
: half the pot, I raise 3x and he called. the river is another Q and I
: checked, he bet 100 bucks, about 2/3 pot, I think a little bit, fold!!!!!!!!
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 so we put him in complete air on turn? now another Q rolls out, all of
sudden he has a Q writen all over his face? wow.. both are not thinking
of this hand in terms of range at all~~~~
sizing is bad. but if he all in over bet bluff before, i think you can call here. vs most of other villian, probably fold. But checking turn is really really really really ....bad.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 怕他fold，只打算induce river bluff。也不是不能这样做。但一般来说这样不合算，
: pot太小了，bet一下，没准对方turn就bluff了。
: 现在问题是river到底能不能call，还是挺头大的。
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 30 but sometimes you have to "re-evaluate". when you checked the turn, you didn
't expect him to allin. you only expected to extract one value bet (so you'
ll raise the river and he will likely to fold).
One tell is that he often allin bluffs on river. that's why calling him may
not be bad. Don't put him on a Q. He wants a call if he has a Q so allin is
unlikely. He may have a pocket pair and 99 is not that bad because he didn't
3bet preflop. Or he just has an A high.
call and win may have another impact: he will be shut down at least for a
while and now you can raise, check-raise him.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: so we put him in complete air on turn? now another Q rolls out, all of
: sudden he has a Q writen all over his face? wow.. both are not thinking
: of this hand in terms of range at all~~~~
: sizing is bad. but if he all in over bet bluff before, i think you can call here. vs most of other villian, probably fold. But checking turn is really really really really ....bad.
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