W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 Played some more rush poker over the weekend. Down a little over all. I have
a feeling that I just can't consistently win at micro level cash yet. I am
going to put up a few hand for discussion.
Two hands here involved with bluffing or not bluffing river in position.
Hand 1:
NL 25. I have AK CO.
MP raise to 1$, I call. Everyone else fold
Flop Q 2 5 rainbow,
MP lead half pot 1.25$, I could fold here but i sense weakness, so I
miniraised since i still got outs. MP call. I know i must be behin |
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 my take on this:
1) you didn't raise pre-flop, so unlikely you got a decent PP in position;
2) mirco stake players don't fold PP (let alone KK) that often, because most
of them are not thinking players;
3) you bet flop but check turn on dry board, not very consistent with the Qx
hand "story line";
4) river paired Q only confirmed their guess, not likely you got another Q.
and if indeed you have one, your bet is a little bit too big to get value in
their eyes.
have
am
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Played some more rush poker over the weekend. Down a little over all. I have
: a feeling that I just can't consistently win at micro level cash yet. I am
: going to put up a few hand for discussion.
: Two hands here involved with bluffing or not bluffing river in position.
: Hand 1:
: NL 25. I have AK CO.
: MP raise to 1$, I call. Everyone else fold
: Flop Q 2 5 rainbow,
: MP lead half pot 1.25$, I could fold here but i sense weakness, so I
: miniraised since i still got outs. MP call. I know i must be behin
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 is this a check river then or second barrel on turn? people obviously don't treat check turn as control pot size at all. 3/4 th pot seems a perfect size to me to bluff though. it is a value bets that crying for a call to me.
most
Qx
.
in
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: my take on this:
: 1) you didn't raise pre-flop, so unlikely you got a decent PP in position;
: 2) mirco stake players don't fold PP (let alone KK) that often, because most
: of them are not thinking players;
: 3) you bet flop but check turn on dry board, not very consistent with the Qx
: hand "story line";
: 4) river paired Q only confirmed their guess, not likely you got another Q.
: and if indeed you have one, your bet is a little bit too big to get value in
: their eyes.
:
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 i guess at micro levels, more ppl treat check as weakness than anything else.
't treat check turn as control pot size at all. 3/4 th pot seems a perfect
size to me to bluff though. it is a value bets that crying for a call to me
.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: is this a check river then or second barrel on turn? people obviously don't treat check turn as control pot size at all. 3/4 th pot seems a perfect size to me to bluff though. it is a value bets that crying for a call to me.
:
: most
: Qx
: .
: in
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 is this a check river or second barrel on turn? |
p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 6 如果你第一手把对方放在over pair, 那你显然不应该bluff, 而且pot odds 很好
have
am
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Played some more rush poker over the weekend. Down a little over all. I have
: a feeling that I just can't consistently win at micro level cash yet. I am
: going to put up a few hand for discussion.
: Two hands here involved with bluffing or not bluffing river in position.
: Hand 1:
: NL 25. I have AK CO.
: MP raise to 1$, I call. Everyone else fold
: Flop Q 2 5 rainbow,
: MP lead half pot 1.25$, I could fold here but i sense weakness, so I
: miniraised since i still got outs. MP call. I know i must be behin
|
p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 7 at any level, check 都是 weakness 更多吧,if you have a big hand, you want to
beg/raise more than check call just to get more money and to win his whole
stack
else.
perfect
me
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i guess at micro levels, more ppl treat check as weakness than anything else.
:
: 't treat check turn as control pot size at all. 3/4 th pot seems a perfect
: size to me to bluff though. it is a value bets that crying for a call to me
: .
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 AQ hit Q is not really a big hand. pot control seems necessary. Would you have pot turn if you do have AQ?
to
whole
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: at any level, check 都是 weakness 更多吧,if you have a big hand, you want to
: beg/raise more than check call just to get more money and to win his whole
: stack
:
: else.
: perfect
: me
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 9 我没说你这手,我说的是generally, 你这手碰到kk,除非你flop raise, turn pot,
river pot或许好点的玩家会fold,否则就是donkey也会call你的river bet的
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: AQ hit Q is not really a big hand. pot control seems necessary. Would you have pot turn if you do have AQ?
:
: to
: whole
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 reasonable for the first hand. The second hand is defintely not a good call
though. i could well have AQ or middle pocket pairs. The range is a lot
wider to beat pocket 5s. as for the first hand, would it be just better to
fold flop?
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 我没说你这手,我说的是generally, 你这手碰到kk,除非你flop raise, turn pot,
: river pot或许好点的玩家会fold,否则就是donkey也会call你的river bet的
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 11 第一手注定你要输钱,输多少取决于你的style, 第二手我不会call,
call
to
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: reasonable for the first hand. The second hand is defintely not a good call
: though. i could well have AQ or middle pocket pairs. The range is a lot
: wider to beat pocket 5s. as for the first hand, would it be just better to
: fold flop?
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 你实说pocket 5s不会call. so it is an ok bluff on river?
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 第一手注定你要输钱,输多少取决于你的style, 第二手我不会call,
:
: call
: to
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 13 en,i think it's ok
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 你实说pocket 5s不会call. so it is an ok bluff on river?
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 14 hand 1 : 2.5+2.5=5啊，怎么pot成10了？
hand 2 ： 2nd barrel 或者放弃 A high 还是有点儿value的。。
have
am
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Played some more rush poker over the weekend. Down a little over all. I have
: a feeling that I just can't consistently win at micro level cash yet. I am
: going to put up a few hand for discussion.
: Two hands here involved with bluffing or not bluffing river in position.
: Hand 1:
: NL 25. I have AK CO.
: MP raise to 1$, I call. Everyone else fold
: Flop Q 2 5 rainbow,
: MP lead half pot 1.25$, I could fold here but i sense weakness, so I
: miniraised since i still got outs. MP call. I know i must be behin
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j********4
发帖数: 72 | 15 Here is my 2 cents:
If you ever raised on the flop, be consistent on the turn and river. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 成长的道路真艰辛啊。。NL10, NL25 那时也像是不能爬上的山峰。。。 |
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 杯具的是，等爬上猪母朗玛峰了，木然回首，才发现，要雪崩了。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 成长的道路真艰辛啊。。NL10, NL25 那时也像是不能爬上的山峰。。。
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