j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 1 2/5的table，local casino, 8-handed table
Hand 1: EP (reg solid white oldman) raise to 20，3 caller ahead of me. I (so
lid and aggressive image to the table) am at BB，AQo, raise to $120. Only EP
left in the pot. We both have ~$300 left behind.
Flop: Qc,10d,2d.
My thinking: EP did not have QQ or higher pairs, otherwise he would re-pop p
re-flop. So, only danger to me is 1010 or 22 in his hand. I can trap him by
presenting missed the flop.
So, I checked. EP looked at me for ~2-sec and bet to All-In.
I stuck to my plan and called. Turn and river did not make the flush or the
straight. EP showed Ad4d. My AQo holded up.
Post-hand thinking: it was a coin-flop when EP bet, I was lucky to get the p
ot. Should I bet on the flop instead of check to make it a safe pot?
Hand 2: changed table. 10-handed. still 2/5
I (with $1000) was at BB with AdJc. 5 limpers, and I raised to $25. One MP a
nd one LP left. LP (~with $800) was a solid aggressive player, and we bet-ra
ise each other in earlier pots.
Flop: Kc, 10c, 4s. I c-bet with $35 to test water. Only LP called.
Turn: As. I thought I was ahead of LP, but due to OOP, want to keep the pot
small. So I checked. LP bet $80. I tanked a little and called.
River: 7c. I cheched again. LP bet out $160 without hesitation. I tanked aga
in: LP could have 1) two pairs 2)made flush. By his betting pattern and tell
, I kinda felt he was very comfortable of the river bet. I mucked.
Post-hand thought: the turn check is very questionable. Not consistent with
flop c-bet. I could be bluffed by LP.
Welcome any comment, especially on the 2nd hand. | n***a
发帖数: 274 | 2 第一手牌觉得打得不错，只有一个问题，如果villian checked behind 然后 turn
finished diamond draw， oop比较难处理 | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 hand 2, i wouldn't flop c-bet, he could float you with a ton of hands that
he calls preflop with.
turn check call is fine, if we didn't bet flop, then the pot wouldn't be
this size and it'll be easier to call.
so
EP
p
by
the
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 2/5的table，local casino, 8-handed table
: Hand 1: EP (reg solid white oldman) raise to 20，3 caller ahead of me. I (so
: lid and aggressive image to the table) am at BB，AQo, raise to $120. Only EP
: left in the pot. We both have ~$300 left behind.
: Flop: Qc,10d,2d.
: My thinking: EP did not have QQ or higher pairs, otherwise he would re-pop p
: re-flop. So, only danger to me is 1010 or 22 in his hand. I can trap him by
: presenting missed the flop.
: So, I checked. EP looked at me for ~2-sec and bet to All-In.
: I stuck to my plan and called. Turn and river did not make the flush or the
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 4 for hand 2, do not really like the profop raise with AJo, it is such a
hard hand to play OOP. If I raise there, I would raise bigger, like 40-50 to
get most ppl fold.
As played I would bet the turn , like 40-45, and fold to a raise. if get
called, I would blocker bet river like 40-50$.
so
EP
p
by
the
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 2/5的table，local casino, 8-handed table
: Hand 1: EP (reg solid white oldman) raise to 20，3 caller ahead of me. I (so
: lid and aggressive image to the table) am at BB，AQo, raise to $120. Only EP
: left in the pot. We both have ~$300 left behind.
: Flop: Qc,10d,2d.
: My thinking: EP did not have QQ or higher pairs, otherwise he would re-pop p
: re-flop. So, only danger to me is 1010 or 22 in his hand. I can trap him by
: presenting missed the flop.
: So, I checked. EP looked at me for ~2-sec and bet to All-In.
: I stuck to my plan and called. Turn and river did not make the flush or the
| j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 5 确实是。当时我的计划基本就是turn上不管出什么都bet一下，3张d的时候我也可以rep
resent flush
他flop也是小bet，我就all-in
不过，他直接就all-in我还是有点儿出乎意料的
btw，昨天打了4.5小时，最后up$700，其实就这一手牌的钱，也就是50%
【在 n***a 的大作中提到】
: 第一手牌觉得打得不错，只有一个问题，如果villian checked behind 然后 turn
: finished diamond draw， oop比较难处理
| j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 6 thanks for the input
我确实是有两大leak（经过长时间的反复验证）
1.想赢怕输的想法。如果pf raise到40-50，老觉得miss了flop钱就打水漂了
2.打牌思路相当的不consistent。常常confuse了自己。比如hand 2,对方如果是KQ，可
能也会这么打。
to
get
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: for hand 2, do not really like the profop raise with AJo, it is such a
: hard hand to play OOP. If I raise there, I would raise bigger, like 40-50 to
: get most ppl fold.
: As played I would bet the turn , like 40-45, and fold to a raise. if get
: called, I would blocker bet river like 40-50$.
:
: so
: EP
: p
: by
| c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 7 Hand 1, for this single hand, check is an ok play. But ... do you also check
AK on this board? I am asking because you need to think in the context of
balancing your plays. Given that you dare to C-bet air OOP into 2 players in
hand 2, I guess you probably shove AK on this board.
If you shove Ace high on this board, then you have to also bet your TPTK to
protect your bluffs.
Hand 2, pot control on the turn is ok. But again, I noticed that you tend to
play reverse poker -- Bet with air and check with made hand. Once villain
realizes this pattern, they can easily rob your money. | j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 8 hand 1.你说的很对，我可能会c-bet $150左右with AK。
hand 2.高手就是高手，一下就看出我的reverse poker pattern了。我大牌的时候
也会bet，当然更多的是在有position的时候。我在oop的时候经常就不知不觉的犯各种
错误。不过，这个reverse poker的pattern看来是需要注意了。
非常感谢你的意见！
check
in
to
to
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1, for this single hand, check is an ok play. But ... do you also check
: AK on this board? I am asking because you need to think in the context of
: balancing your plays. Given that you dare to C-bet air OOP into 2 players in
: hand 2, I guess you probably shove AK on this board.
: If you shove Ace high on this board, then you have to also bet your TPTK to
: protect your bluffs.
: Hand 2, pot control on the turn is ok. But again, I noticed that you tend to
: play reverse poker -- Bet with air and check with made hand. Once villain
: realizes this pattern, they can easily rob your money.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 9 game theory wise, it is actually correct to play this way lots of time. Bet
top/bottom of your range and pot control hand with showdown equaltiy. you
just need to mix up a little bit againt regs who pay attention. Value bet a
little bit more to vary your play.
For the pot control of hand 2, the turn bet could be better than check/
call. Since you still take the lead and can control the betsize.
just my 2 cents
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: hand 1.你说的很对，我可能会c-bet $150左右with AK。
: hand 2.高手就是高手，一下就看出我的reverse poker pattern了。我大牌的时候
: 也会bet，当然更多的是在有position的时候。我在oop的时候经常就不知不觉的犯各种
: 错误。不过，这个reverse poker的pattern看来是需要注意了。
: 非常感谢你的意见！
:
: check
: in
: to
: to
| c******q
发帖数: 456 | 10 Don't like the pfr in hand 2 either. As played, I'd probably c/c the turn as
well if your read is correct that villian is aggressive and he doesn't play
his drawing hand fast on the flop. But I am leaning toward to call the
river bet. As Fryking pointed out, Villian may float you with anything. And
your turn c/c showed weakness. In Villian's mind, the best hand you could
have is AQ/AJ, which can't stand the heat on the river. He would bet the
river for almost any river card IMO. Plus I think 1:2 is not a bad price to
catch the river bluff.
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.36 | | | c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 11
Bet
a
Well said! I definitely agree that reverse poker can be more profitable for
a single hand or against an unknown villain (that is when people start to
call you a tricky player). Balancing is more for online play and when you
play against thinking villains.
In tourneys, a similar play is called stop and go. Say you got 10BB at BB,
and button raises 3BB. You found that you got AT, which you almost never
fold at this stack size. But you know if you shove, button calls for sure
since he is pot committed and it will be a pure gamble. So another option is
to smooth call. If you miss the flop, shove and the result will not be
worse than preflop allin. If you hit the flop, check to induce a shove. You
dont worry about getting outdrawn, since villain will call your shove anyway
if he got any draw. This is pure reverse poker, but it can be profitable in
some cases.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: game theory wise, it is actually correct to play this way lots of time. Bet
: top/bottom of your range and pot control hand with showdown equaltiy. you
: just need to mix up a little bit againt regs who pay attention. Value bet a
: little bit more to vary your play.
: For the pot control of hand 2, the turn bet could be better than check/
: call. Since you still take the lead and can control the betsize.
: just my 2 cents
:
| c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 12 Agree. I think for hand 2 I will call river bet almost for sure. My checking
the turn is for pot control, which implies that I like my hand and want to
call. I need to be consistent and execute my plan. If I am not very much
into my hand and am willing to fold, then I'd rather bet the turn/river and
fold to a raise.
as
play
And
to
【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: Don't like the pfr in hand 2 either. As played, I'd probably c/c the turn as
: well if your read is correct that villian is aggressive and he doesn't play
: his drawing hand fast on the flop. But I am leaning toward to call the
: river bet. As Fryking pointed out, Villian may float you with anything. And
: your turn c/c showed weakness. In Villian's mind, the best hand you could
: have is AQ/AJ, which can't stand the heat on the river. He would bet the
: river for almost any river card IMO. Plus I think 1:2 is not a bad price to
: catch the river bluff.
: ★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.36
| x****i
发帖数: 531 | | M********g
发帖数: 717 | 14 Interesting concept of "stop and go". I am really not familiar with tourney.
My question is: is it suspicious to call 3 bb with only 7 bb left since
under icm it is a shove/fold situation? Could villain conclude hero is using
the stop and go strategy?
for
is
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Agree. I think for hand 2 I will call river bet almost for sure. My checking
: the turn is for pot control, which implies that I like my hand and want to
: call. I need to be consistent and execute my plan. If I am not very much
: into my hand and am willing to fold, then I'd rather bet the turn/river and
: fold to a raise.
:
: as
: play
: And
: to
| M********g
发帖数: 717 | 15 hand 1, why it is a coin flip when EP bet? You have at least 60% equity with
tptk. And why he cannot slow play hand like KK+? If he three bets pf, i
guess you have to fold anything less than QQ+ and AK since he is EP and
solid. He has position on you anyway.
hand 2, i also think cc turn sometime is fine as far as you are calling
river high percentage of the time.Otherwise pot control becomes pure giving
up after flop cbet.
so
EP
p
by
the
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 2/5的table，local casino, 8-handed table
: Hand 1: EP (reg solid white oldman) raise to 20，3 caller ahead of me. I (so
: lid and aggressive image to the table) am at BB，AQo, raise to $120. Only EP
: left in the pot. We both have ~$300 left behind.
: Flop: Qc,10d,2d.
: My thinking: EP did not have QQ or higher pairs, otherwise he would re-pop p
: re-flop. So, only danger to me is 1010 or 22 in his hand. I can trap him by
: presenting missed the flop.
: So, I checked. EP looked at me for ~2-sec and bet to All-In.
: I stuck to my plan and called. Turn and river did not make the flush or the
| c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 16
tourney.
using
That is fine. Even if Villain calls, the result wont be worse than as if it
was preflop allin.
I use it only against bad players. 7BBs are a lot. It is very tough for them
to call a pot-sized bet with Ace high or king high. A stop and go might
fold their small pairs if there are two or more overcards in the flop.
You use stop and go when you got a weak hand that needs to hit the flop --
and you miss the flop in 2/3 cases. You dont need to stop and go if you got
a big pair -- just shove preflop and get it allin.
【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: Interesting concept of "stop and go". I am really not familiar with tourney.
: My question is: is it suspicious to call 3 bb with only 7 bb left since
: under icm it is a shove/fold situation? Could villain conclude hero is using
: the stop and go strategy?
:
: for
: is
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 17 I use this play sometime when playing HUSNG when down to 10BB effective .
But usually I would get much fold. But supriseingly, I find I get called by
worse air a lot. Say I shove with K high using stop/go, I got called by
worse k high and Q high a lot . lol.
it
them
got
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
:
: tourney.
: using
: That is fine. Even if Villain calls, the result wont be worse than as if it
: was preflop allin.
: I use it only against bad players. 7BBs are a lot. It is very tough for them
: to call a pot-sized bet with Ace high or king high. A stop and go might
: fold their small pairs if there are two or more overcards in the flop.
: You use stop and go when you got a weak hand that needs to hit the flop --
: and you miss the flop in 2/3 cases. You dont need to stop and go if you got
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