t****t
发帖数: 95 | 1 Get tired with these two hands and sometimes just fold preflop without even
limping with them.
Any idea you guys wish to share? It's really the hand that need a lot of
help to win a big pot. |
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 看位置，靠前俺现在limp得多，20%的时候open pot，尤其是suited.
后位俺一般call a bet或9BB+，俺可以代表的range比AK/AQ大，flop还很有文章可做。
比如今天，一个nit limp calls my $17 bet, flop: 885, he check folds AKs face
up, i show him AQo.
even
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】
: Get tired with these two hands and sometimes just fold preflop without even
: limping with them.
: Any idea you guys wish to share? It's really the hand that need a lot of
: help to win a big pot.
|
t****t
发帖数: 95 | 3 Good input. Thanks. For me, I figure AK/AQ is best case 0EV. 50, 50
against pocket pairs, and slightly better against two low live cards. Maybe
I missed something, that's why I am looking for others' idea.
face
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 看位置，靠前俺现在limp得多，20%的时候open pot，尤其是suited.
: 后位俺一般call a bet或9BB+，俺可以代表的range比AK/AQ大，flop还很有文章可做。
: 比如今天，一个nit limp calls my $17 bet, flop: 885, he check folds AKs face
: up, i show him AQo.
:
: even
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 个人感觉，AK/AQ这样的牌，最忌讳的就是打得就象AK/AQ，比如open pot $12什么的，
然后flop不管hit TP没有，c-bet 2/3 pot...尤其没有位置的情况下，这基本是face
up的sitting duck，一般人根据你的size，基本上都会把这两手牌优先考虑到，咱在明
敌在暗的事情是最不爽的，尤其这样的牌，可以说几乎没有什么潜力re-draw，flop上
搞个不大不小的pot，如果又是m-way的话，后面很难受。
delayed c-bet其实可以考虑，适当给别人一些suckout的风险也没什么大不了的，毕竟
后面你还可以根据更多信息判断。
weak call/call/call也不是坏事，当然不要每把都这样，TPTK是个small hand，赢个
中等锅就好。
除非是完全已经打得很loose的桌子。
Maybe
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】
: Good input. Thanks. For me, I figure AK/AQ is best case 0EV. 50, 50
: against pocket pairs, and slightly better against two low live cards. Maybe
: I missed something, that's why I am looking for others' idea.
:
: face
|
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 5 even when I play short stack HU, AK/AQ does not play so well post flop.
since you only pair one of your hole card 16% time and most time you do not
get action unless you are beat .
ak/aq still premium hand, just play with causion and avoid building
big pot with one pair, especially when you are OOP.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 个人感觉，AK/AQ这样的牌，最忌讳的就是打得就象AK/AQ，比如open pot $12什么的，
: 然后flop不管hit TP没有，c-bet 2/3 pot...尤其没有位置的情况下，这基本是face
: up的sitting duck，一般人根据你的size，基本上都会把这两手牌优先考虑到，咱在明
: 敌在暗的事情是最不爽的，尤其这样的牌，可以说几乎没有什么潜力re-draw，flop上
: 搞个不大不小的pot，如果又是m-way的话，后面很难受。
: delayed c-bet其实可以考虑，适当给别人一些suckout的风险也没什么大不了的，毕竟
: 后面你还可以根据更多信息判断。
: weak call/call/call也不是坏事，当然不要每把都这样，TPTK是个small hand，赢个
: 中等锅就好。
: 除非是完全已经打得很loose的桌子。
|
t****t
发帖数: 95 | 6 yes. On the other hand, we will have to raise preflop with them to avoid
flopping TPTK but beat by trash two pairs. That's the sickest. As a lot of
ppl say, good players do not want to get involved in a un-raised pot. It's
just so fcuking true.
not
building
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: even when I play short stack HU, AK/AQ does not play so well post flop.
: since you only pair one of your hole card 16% time and most time you do not
: get action unless you are beat .
: ak/aq still premium hand, just play with causion and avoid building
: big pot with one pair, especially when you are OOP.
|
D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 7 我觉得AK要比AQ质量高不少。AK可以打成AK，KK，QQ，JJ。
AQo没位置甚至可以fold。
但是AK最好Preflop要aggressive，最好3Bet打扮成over pair，hit到最好，不hit到也
要能把TT，99,88打走。
of
's
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】
: yes. On the other hand, we will have to raise preflop with them to avoid
: flopping TPTK but beat by trash two pairs. That's the sickest. As a lot of
: ppl say, good players do not want to get involved in a un-raised pot. It's
: just so fcuking true.
:
: not
: building
|
H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 8 说说偶的想法，这些都是不错的起手牌了，要这些都不玩那实在太nit了，有观察力的
对手会比较容易大幅缩小hero手中牌的range. 另外还看c-bet成功的可能性吧，如果
hero的image是谨慎小心的那c-bet成功的可能性应该还是不小的，个人感觉3/4 pot c-
bet成功性如果有60%那这些牌绝对不该放弃啊。
even
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】
: Get tired with these two hands and sometimes just fold preflop without even
: limping with them.
: Any idea you guys wish to share? It's really the hand that need a lot of
: help to win a big pot.
|
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 9 IMO, the board texture and number of opponents in the pot are important
factors when deciding to c-bet or not. When we c-bet on Q72 rainbow board ,
we should have much higher success rate than 789 board.
c-
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: 说说偶的想法，这些都是不错的起手牌了，要这些都不玩那实在太nit了，有观察力的
: 对手会比较容易大幅缩小hero手中牌的range. 另外还看c-bet成功的可能性吧，如果
: hero的image是谨慎小心的那c-bet成功的可能性应该还是不小的，个人感觉3/4 pot c-
: bet成功性如果有60%那这些牌绝对不该放弃啊。
:
: even
|
H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 10 Yeah, I meant when we do c-bet and the chance of all folding being 60%+.
,
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: IMO, the board texture and number of opponents in the pot are important
: factors when deciding to c-bet or not. When we c-bet on Q72 rainbow board ,
: we should have much higher success rate than 789 board.
:
: c-
|
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 your understanding of AK AQ is very much flawed. AK/AQ are top 10% strongest
hand in NL holdem. people are afraid of AK AQ mainly because they had bad
experience being stacked by sets. Well this is a problem which you have to
learn to avoid. But, it is more of an issue when you fail to extract maximum
value when your top pair top kicker is the best hand because of this bad
experience. When live fish limp call with 108o, Q3s, it is very profitable to
raise hand vs limpers for value as light as KJ K10 even (preferable in
position with thinner value raise). raise it up and learn to play non-nuts hand post flop.
Maybe
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】
: Good input. Thanks. For me, I figure AK/AQ is best case 0EV. 50, 50
: against pocket pairs, and slightly better against two low live cards. Maybe
: I missed something, that's why I am looking for others' idea.
:
: face
|
s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 12 good point. 今天? I thought you will go tomorrow?
face
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 看位置，靠前俺现在limp得多，20%的时候open pot，尤其是suited.
: 后位俺一般call a bet或9BB+，俺可以代表的range比AK/AQ大，flop还很有文章可做。
: 比如今天，一个nit limp calls my $17 bet, flop: 885, he check folds AKs face
: up, i show him AQo.
:
: even
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 yesterday, a sudden short trip, hehe.
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: good point. 今天? I thought you will go tomorrow?
:
: face
|
t****t
发帖数: 95 | 14 Yep, they are my weak hands. However, the temporary solution for me is to
avoid playing them as TPTK and it worked well since.
If someone has a log of AK/AQ P/L, it would be great to see and learn from
him/her.
strongest
bad
maximum
to
nuts hand post flop.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: your understanding of AK AQ is very much flawed. AK/AQ are top 10% strongest
: hand in NL holdem. people are afraid of AK AQ mainly because they had bad
: experience being stacked by sets. Well this is a problem which you have to
: learn to avoid. But, it is more of an issue when you fail to extract maximum
: value when your top pair top kicker is the best hand because of this bad
: experience. When live fish limp call with 108o, Q3s, it is very profitable to
: raise hand vs limpers for value as light as KJ K10 even (preferable in
: position with thinner value raise). raise it up and learn to play non-nuts hand post flop.
:
: Maybe
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p****t
发帖数: 292 | 15 They are both profitable hands from any position in a live 1/2 game and by
not playing, you are just throwing money away. Learn how to play post flop. |
