q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 1 这次讲一下BLUFF的两个实例,都是在$2/4NL我的遭遇,一正一反.
半个月前在FTP,我SB拿到AQo,UTG raised to $12, Button Called, I called.
FLOP Q99 2 Diamonds, I checked, UTG checked, Button bet $20, I called, UTG
raised to 60, button folded, I called.
这是个典型的可以BLUFF的FLOP,我TPTK没理由fold. FLOP我丝毫看不出UTG是有9,AA,KK
,还是bluff,call了再说.
TURN 一张小牌, I checked, UTG bet 2/3 POT, around $90, I called.
TRUN上他的bet也没有给我更多信息,我就继续call.
RIVER 一张小牌, I checked, UTG ALL-IN, around $250.
RIVER他的bet暴露了bluff,如果bet 1/2POT, 我很可能fold. 逻辑是这样的:如果他有
一个9,三条不算很强的牌,我FLOP c | c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 2 第一把太PASSIVE了, 当然如果UTG很LAGGISH,让他BLUFF是对的. | q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 3 第一把POSITION不好,而且SCARED BOARD,一般我都这么打,先BET被RAISE处理起来比较
麻烦. 可能是PASSIVE了.
【在 c**********l 的大作中提到】
: 第一把太PASSIVE了, 当然如果UTG很LAGGISH,让他BLUFF是对的.
| c********e
发帖数: 267 | 4 写的很好，支持楼主继续写下去 ，很多地方有同感。 | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 5 The first play is fine.
Since it is way ahead or way behind situation.
Your passive play induce the bluff. But sometimes it is just a disaster,
since you do not know where you are at.
UTG can raise with AA or KK or 79s or 9ts, or 89s.
And if I know you have queen, I will bet nuts the same way as the bluff
KK
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】
: 这次讲一下BLUFF的两个实例,都是在$2/4NL我的遭遇,一正一反.
: 半个月前在FTP,我SB拿到AQo,UTG raised to $12, Button Called, I called.
: FLOP Q99 2 Diamonds, I checked, UTG checked, Button bet $20, I called, UTG
: raised to 60, button folded, I called.
: 这是个典型的可以BLUFF的FLOP,我TPTK没理由fold. FLOP我丝毫看不出UTG是有9,AA,KK
: ,还是bluff,call了再说.
: TURN 一张小牌, I checked, UTG bet 2/3 POT, around $90, I called.
: TRUN上他的bet也没有给我更多信息,我就继续call.
: RIVER 一张小牌, I checked, UTG ALL-IN, around $250.
: RIVER他的bet暴露了bluff,如果bet 1/2POT, 我很可能fold. 逻辑是这样的:如果他有
| q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 6 very good point.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: The first play is fine.
: Since it is way ahead or way behind situation.
: Your passive play induce the bluff. But sometimes it is just a disaster,
: since you do not know where you are at.
: UTG can raise with AA or KK or 79s or 9ts, or 89s.
: And if I know you have queen, I will bet nuts the same way as the bluff
:
: KK
| c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 7 you have to be aggr out of position. you essentially decrease your oppo's
positional advantage by simplifying both his and your decisions.
of course, if he is a maniac, let him bet and be happy/willing to call him
down big. | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 8 aggr out of position is not so good. Because if you bet out with middle pair
, the guy in position can blow you off the hand with complete air. If you
watch the wsop main event, that Russian guy(Iwan) is very conservative out
of position, and very aggressive in position(blow AKo off with his AQo, the
flop is 8tj).
Just watch the wcoop main-event(10k buyin), even belowabove lose all chips
by playing out of position.
(3 guy left)
button raises, belowabove 3bets with a7o, flop Ad9c9h, belowabove ch | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 9 When 2 ppl left, button(K9o) raises, BB(790) calls, flop A 6 2, BB checks, button continuation bets, BB check raises, button re-raise with air, BB folds.
Button is the same guy who KO belowabove.
The last hand is button(kto) raise, BB(tjo) calls, flop k55, BB donkey lead, button reraises, BB shove it in, button calls allin.
So, it is so hard to play out of position, sometimes, I fold small pairs vs button raises, it has no value to hit a set.
By the way, the button have won 6th on WCOOP main eve
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: aggr out of position is not so good. Because if you bet out with middle pair
: , the guy in position can blow you off the hand with complete air. If you
: watch the wsop main event, that Russian guy(Iwan) is very conservative out
: of position, and very aggressive in position(blow AKo off with his AQo, the
: flop is 8tj).
: Just watch the wcoop main-event(10k buyin), even belowabove lose all chips
: by playing out of position.
: (3 guy left)
: button raises, belowabove 3bets with a7o, flop Ad9c9h, belowabove ch
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 10 这牌BB最后也可以allin.他没allin是因为read上输一着.
象这种交锋最后斗的是感觉(read),而不是打法.
决定因素是read而不是打法.
button continuation bets, BB check raises, button re-raise with air, BB
folds.
lead, button reraises, BB shove it in, button calls allin.
vs button raises, it has no value to hit a set.
440k.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: When 2 ppl left, button(K9o) raises, BB(790) calls, flop A 6 2, BB checks, button continuation bets, BB check raises, button re-raise with air, BB folds.
: Button is the same guy who KO belowabove.
: The last hand is button(kto) raise, BB(tjo) calls, flop k55, BB donkey lead, button reraises, BB shove it in, button calls allin.
: So, it is so hard to play out of position, sometimes, I fold small pairs vs button raises, it has no value to hit a set.
: By the way, the button have won 6th on WCOOP main eve
| | | a*****r
发帖数: 19 | 11 我也觉得更重要的是了解你的对手和了解你的对手对你的看法。在楼主的例子里，如果
对方有set，并且看出楼主是Q或者
从前面的hands里知道楼主很可能不会放弃TP，那么打法也是一样的，但是结果就完全
变了。
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: 这牌BB最后也可以allin.他没allin是因为read上输一着.
: 象这种交锋最后斗的是感觉(read),而不是打法.
: 决定因素是read而不是打法.
:
: button continuation bets, BB check raises, button re-raise with air, BB
: folds.
: lead, button reraises, BB shove it in, button calls allin.
: vs button raises, it has no value to hit a set.
: 440k.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 nod, same hand with diff. players, may be totally different.
taking notes on players helps me a lot in tough spots.
【在 a*****r 的大作中提到】
: 我也觉得更重要的是了解你的对手和了解你的对手对你的看法。在楼主的例子里，如果
: 对方有set，并且看出楼主是Q或者
: 从前面的hands里知道楼主很可能不会放弃TP，那么打法也是一样的，但是结果就完全
: 变了。
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 13 我打 live cash game, 1/2 NL, 如果对手在 river overbetting the pot, 牌面上没
有很明显的 busted draw 的话, I will a lot less inclined to call a big bet
than I am used to. They usually have a big hand
以前我看到别人 overbet the river, 总是认为对手有很大程度的 bluff 成分, I
will call with a marginal hand. 几次吃亏下来, 才认识到, live 1/2 game 的对
手, 基本上还是水平一般的 ABC player, 往往没有技巧和胆量玩那些 fancy 的 river
bluff. 我的错误是把对手的水平高估了. 其实有些人还很 weak, 不知道 big hand
要 build big pot 的道理, 到 river 确定自己是 nuts 才敢放手 bet. 或者是有时侯
拿到 big hand, 过于兴奋, 也不考虑 pot 有多少钱, 急于要对手 pay | a*****r
发帖数: 19 | 14 river overbet挺好玩的，有些时候对方明显比较弱，反正你一bet人家很可能就fold了，
还不如bet大一点，说不定别人不服气觉得你在bluff，那就赚到了，呵呵。还是要看人。
river
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: 我打 live cash game, 1/2 NL, 如果对手在 river overbetting the pot, 牌面上没
: 有很明显的 busted draw 的话, I will a lot less inclined to call a big bet
: than I am used to. They usually have a big hand
: 以前我看到别人 overbet the river, 总是认为对手有很大程度的 bluff 成分, I
: will call with a marginal hand. 几次吃亏下来, 才认识到, live 1/2 game 的对
: 手, 基本上还是水平一般的 ABC player, 往往没有技巧和胆量玩那些 fancy 的 river
: bluff. 我的错误是把对手的水平高估了. 其实有些人还很 weak, 不知道 big hand
: 要 build big pot 的道理, 到 river 确定自己是 nuts 才敢放手 bet. 或者是有时侯
: 拿到 big hand, 过于兴奋, 也不考虑 pot 有多少钱, 急于要对手 pay
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 15 lol
maybe we should watch isil play PLO on FTP.
He is so aggressive, river bluff allin(200k+, or 130k, fold to reshove) with
garbage a lot.
了，
人。
【在 a*****r 的大作中提到】
: river overbet挺好玩的，有些时候对方明显比较弱，反正你一bet人家很可能就fold了，
: 还不如bet大一点，说不定别人不服气觉得你在bluff，那就赚到了，呵呵。还是要看人。
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