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TexasHoldem版 - 龙年快乐:请教如何打second best hands
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Would you call or fold this hand at the river?
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175
1
小弟最近才冒泡,先祝大家新年多发财。然后熄熄火气,帮我分析几手牌。去年打的几
次2/5NL牌,好几回栽在自己拿的2nd best hand, 把到手的profit吐回去。在river上
call别人的all-in感觉就已落后,可是又donkey call. 高手们说说如何来control自己
如何在这种情况下不broke? 或者剥析一下自己拿类似nut hand时的思路?
hand 1:
hero KJo small blind with about 400, raise to 20 and BB calls and two other
callers. flop JT3 rainbow. Bet 50, BB and one more caller. Turn another 3,
hero bets another 100 and BB calls. River 2, hero checks, BB pushed all-in
for about 350. I thought for a while and suspected BB might have AJ(no JT
otherwise he will push on turn) but still called and gave him another $250.
BB showed with AJ as suspected...
hand 2:
hero As7s with about $700, raise to 20 at button, SB calls and 2 or 3 other
callers. SB got me covered. Flop comes out 7c6c7d. I bet 60, SB calls and
all other fold. Turn 3d. I bet 100. SB tanks and then calls. River a club 3.
I bet $100 for value and then SB shoved. Before his all-in, I felt really
good about my hand. After the river shovel, I started to realize he was not
on flush draw. Can he have a 7 with a high kicker or he was trapping me with
76suited? I even asked him did you flop a boat. I tanked a long while then
called and went busted.
我是新手,类似这几手的牌印象特别深。因为如果是marginal hands当
别人push时我可以fold。可是拿到seond best hand时,哪怕
分析觉得对方很可能就是那个nut hand时还是会不甘心丢掉自己的牌。而且我
比较熟悉的两个靠poker为生的人,每次和他们同桌,看他们从拿2nd bes
t hand的人最大化利润时,真觉得他们水平是要比我高啊,那种心里认输的感觉
还是不太好受的。高手们指点指点如何在这种情况下避免broke?还有我这两手牌
bet size是不是有问题?
c*****t
发帖数: 817
2
我觉得你这两把牌问题不是很大。主要就是打的太ABC poker了。而且刚好遇到了打得
不错的对手。
hand 1: 我个人很讨厌KJ,几乎不会raise OOP。你这把牌raise了以后,搞出来一个
SPR=5的big pot。自己没有位置。又抽不到TPTK。基本上就是赢小输大的结果。如果你
拿的是AK这样干就没问题了。
hand 2: 太难fold这个的。纠结这个没有必要。另外,这个对手的river check很漂亮。因为,如
果你没东西,check是他唯一赢钱的办法。如果你有7的话,你一定会bet,所以他肯定不会丢失
value。
T*********k
发帖数: 1621
3
I always think ppl mis-understand ABC poker and confuse it with weak tight
or ppl making mistakes of not understanding his hand strength.
Just ask yourself, could a good, solid ABC poker player, raise KJ OOP, bet
two streets with TPGK, bloom the pot to 410 while he only has $400 starting
stack, and check call the rest of the stack when actions told him villian
almost impossible to bluff at this spot and there was almost no hand he can
beat?
I will think any good ABC poker players will understand KJ or even AJ are
troubling hands, and use broadway cards to make one pair can only warrent a
small or medium size pot, in normal circumstances if not against a total
manic or beginner.
I will also firmly believe good solid ABC poker players can beat NL 1/2 and
NL 2/5, easily, by playing small hands small pot, big hands big pot strategy
, if he or she really understand what small hand and big hand are.
In fact, this year my resolution is playing really solid ABC poker. I don't
think I can play it all the time, but it is my pursue.

亮。因为,如
定不会丢失

【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你这两把牌问题不是很大。主要就是打的太ABC poker了。而且刚好遇到了打得
: 不错的对手。
: hand 1: 我个人很讨厌KJ,几乎不会raise OOP。你这把牌raise了以后,搞出来一个
: SPR=5的big pot。自己没有位置。又抽不到TPTK。基本上就是赢小输大的结果。如果你
: 拿的是AK这样干就没问题了。
: hand 2: 太难fold这个的。纠结这个没有必要。另外,这个对手的river check很漂亮。因为,如
: 果你没东西,check是他唯一赢钱的办法。如果你有7的话,你一定会bet,所以他肯定不会丢失
: value。

g******s
发帖数: 211
4
对手类型? 紧手人一旦开始发彪, 凶多吉少。 松手的话, 比运气 :)
b*******s
发帖数: 1175
5
thanks a lot for the reply. Can you shed more light on what you will do
after the flop if you are alreayd in this hand? (understood it varies a lot
depending on the players but some general guide will help).

starting
can
a

【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: I always think ppl mis-understand ABC poker and confuse it with weak tight
: or ppl making mistakes of not understanding his hand strength.
: Just ask yourself, could a good, solid ABC poker player, raise KJ OOP, bet
: two streets with TPGK, bloom the pot to 410 while he only has $400 starting
: stack, and check call the rest of the stack when actions told him villian
: almost impossible to bluff at this spot and there was almost no hand he can
: beat?
: I will think any good ABC poker players will understand KJ or even AJ are
: troubling hands, and use broadway cards to make one pair can only warrent a
: small or medium size pot, in normal circumstances if not against a total

l*u
发帖数: 1770
6
能给野路子出生的牌手解释一下ABC poker, TPKG 和oop吗?thanks

starting
can
a

【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: I always think ppl mis-understand ABC poker and confuse it with weak tight
: or ppl making mistakes of not understanding his hand strength.
: Just ask yourself, could a good, solid ABC poker player, raise KJ OOP, bet
: two streets with TPGK, bloom the pot to 410 while he only has $400 starting
: stack, and check call the rest of the stack when actions told him villian
: almost impossible to bluff at this spot and there was almost no hand he can
: beat?
: I will think any good ABC poker players will understand KJ or even AJ are
: troubling hands, and use broadway cards to make one pair can only warrent a
: small or medium size pot, in normal circumstances if not against a total

l*u
发帖数: 1770
7
small hand, small pots. big hand, big pots.
i like this one.

starting
can
a

【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: I always think ppl mis-understand ABC poker and confuse it with weak tight
: or ppl making mistakes of not understanding his hand strength.
: Just ask yourself, could a good, solid ABC poker player, raise KJ OOP, bet
: two streets with TPGK, bloom the pot to 410 while he only has $400 starting
: stack, and check call the rest of the stack when actions told him villian
: almost impossible to bluff at this spot and there was almost no hand he can
: beat?
: I will think any good ABC poker players will understand KJ or even AJ are
: troubling hands, and use broadway cards to make one pair can only warrent a
: small or medium size pot, in normal circumstances if not against a total

T*********k
发帖数: 1621
8
This hand is very easy to play. Here is my suggestion, keep in mind my way
is no way optimal, but add some food for thoughts. Someone may very well
play this hand way better.
First, why should we jump to post-flop play immediately? IMHO, a lot of
mistakes happened in pre-flop stage rather than post-flop. A child born with
illness, a lot of time, is weaker for the rest of his life. So is there any
thing wrong with your pre-flop play?
Hard to tell, it really depends on what type of player you are, what kind of
image you were at the table and how competent your opponents were based on
the obersevation you did, you position, you stack size, you opponent's stack
size, etc. We really have to facter all those in, to give us a good idea
how to play this hand, how much money we want to put in the pot. So the rule
I have is to plan ahead, rather than impulsively decide to raise anyway
just because everyone limp to me and I have two face cards.
I will say when I look at KJ at SB, I will think it is a marginal hand most
of the time, so I don't want the pot to be too big. I will be happy to just
limp also and let BB to close the action and see the flop for cheap. Play a
big pot OOP with marginal hands is recipe for disaster. So BB and two others
in, so what, the pot only has 20ish dollars, if I see K or J on the flop,
bet 20 something and may take down the pot right there. I am happy.
If we really want to raise, same thing, we will have to plan our hand ahead
and decide how big we want the pot to be on the flop, on the turn and on the
river, and make adjustment based on what kind of flop, turn and river cards
is.
Say we want to raise 20, want to chase out some garbage hand BB may have,
and thin the field. But now they called, with 80 in the pot. 50 is a good
bet on the flop when we hit the J. However, two others called and the pot
quickly became $230. The pot is about to become a big one and our hand is
not strong enough to withstand further actions if not improved. We have
trouble to decide whether bet or check on the turn because so far we don't
have enough idea how strong our opponents hand are.
What about raise only 15. why this 5 dollars make any differencs? On the
glance it doesn't. 15 dollars probably will still chase out BB with total
garbage like 83o, 49o, etc. those already limped will probably still call.
Call 10 or 15 dollars more in NL 2/5 game is nothing anyway. If everyone
called, the pot is $45, a good bet on the turn will be $25 or $30. If two
called, the pot will be $120 - $135. Wow, now we see a huge difference
compared to original $230. It is much easier to manage this kind of pot and
much easiler to lay down your hand if your opponents showed great strength
on later street.
A small adjustment does go a long way.

lot

【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: thanks a lot for the reply. Can you shed more light on what you will do
: after the flop if you are alreayd in this hand? (understood it varies a lot
: depending on the players but some general guide will help).
:
: starting
: can
: a

b*******s
发帖数: 1175
9
excellent, 学习了,多谢高手。能不能剥析下hand 2? 我好多次类似的牌不能fold,
导致broke....

with
any
of
on
stack

【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: This hand is very easy to play. Here is my suggestion, keep in mind my way
: is no way optimal, but add some food for thoughts. Someone may very well
: play this hand way better.
: First, why should we jump to post-flop play immediately? IMHO, a lot of
: mistakes happened in pre-flop stage rather than post-flop. A child born with
: illness, a lot of time, is weaker for the rest of his life. So is there any
: thing wrong with your pre-flop play?
: Hard to tell, it really depends on what type of player you are, what kind of
: image you were at the table and how competent your opponents were based on
: the obersevation you did, you position, you stack size, you opponent's stack

d*****0
发帖数: 1500
10

everyone started from 野路子, with more hands played, your grey area will
shrink, then your play will get less and less WILD, hehe
ABC poker, play poker with a common sense, or say basic poker play
TPGK --> TOP PAIR GOOD KICKER
if the kicker is a K, i saw some pro call it TP2K, top pair K kicker
OOP --> out of position, position is really important, as u play more, you
will feel it precisely

【在 l*u 的大作中提到】
: 能给野路子出生的牌手解释一下ABC poker, TPKG 和oop吗?thanks
:
: starting
: can
: a

l*u
发帖数: 1770
11
受益匪浅啊。

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: everyone started from 野路子, with more hands played, your grey area will
: shrink, then your play will get less and less WILD, hehe
: ABC poker, play poker with a common sense, or say basic poker play
: TPGK --> TOP PAIR GOOD KICKER
: if the kicker is a K, i saw some pro call it TP2K, top pair K kicker
: OOP --> out of position, position is really important, as u play more, you
: will feel it precisely

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