R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 1 Rev. 20:10 said the Evil one (satan) will be punished day and night for ever
and ever.
Rev. 20:15 said the unrighteous went down into the sea of fire.
you think that satan will be punished day and night for ever and ever in the
sea of fire, so do the unrighteous ppl?
can you read Isa 66:24 "And as they go out, they will see the dead bodies of
those who have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them will nev
er die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by will
vi... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 2 Can you lose your salvation?
Many people fervently believe that once saved, they can never lose their sal
vation. I pray that those who do believe it will read the following with an
open heart and an open mind. Above all, I urge every reader to check each Sc
ripture presented and then check the context that the Scriptures are quote
d in by reading at least ten verses before and ten verses after.
I sincerely believe the 憃nce saved always savedconcept to be wrong. The i
mplication that once someon... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 3 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 圣灵感动？ you agree Satan is not bound now?
Then you are not Amillennialist like John Calvin and Augustine
Satan |
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发帖数: 1059 | 4 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 圣灵感动？ you can both say yes and no
for yes: Jesus has risen again, so that Satan is defeated and bounded.
Anyone with Jesus inside can fight it and win.
for no: Satan is still king of the world.Without Jesus, one can hardly
escape from its effect. |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 5 only calvinists will go to eternal punishment in hell with satan.
calvinists worship satan |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 6 your understanding of hell makes God as evil as Satan
you need to read Isa 66:24 again
Isa 66:24 And they will go out and look upon the 【dead bodies】 of those wh
o rebelled against me; 【their worm】 will not die, nor will their fire be q
uenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."
we can read from from this verse that (1) ppl in hell are merely 【dead bodi
es】 (2) 【their worm】 is in singular form. "worm" is Satan. |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 7 so you think Satan is bound now
but the chain on satan is very long and he can still climb out of the "great
deep"
you are student of Augustine and John Calvin |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 8 By Pastor Kelly Sensenig
Premillennialism holds that after a period of tribulation, Christ will retur
n to physically establish His Kingdom on earth for a period of one thousand
years (Rev. 20:1-2; Zech. 13:2). This return will occur before the Millenniu
m is established over the earth. This is why it is called premillennialism.
Christ comes before the Millennium is established. This opposes postmillenni
alism (Christ's comes after the kingdom is established) and amillennialism (
there is no ear... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 9 you are a Reformed amillennialist
you just like to hide your true beliefs
everytime you talk about Satan, you say satan is bound now but he can still
decieve peopel
when you preach this doctrine to others, you are just another false prophet |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 10 another question for you.
I saw you often talking about Satan's conspiracy. Do you think Satan is bou
nd now? |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 11 I feel every sick when chritians say chinese culture is satanic
only calvinism is satanic |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 12 trinity is a man-made idea and enforced by military power
trinitarian brutally killed many non-followers
trinity is actually from Satan because of this brutality
Michael Servetus was burned by Calvinists for this Satanic theology |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 13 I was deeply influenced by Chinese traditional culture. I am not a culturel
ess savage. To say Chinese ancient beliefs are Satanic is a big insult to m
e. That's why I often call Calvinism or "mainline" Christianity Satanic. T
his is a spiritual war. Since you Christians defined the ultimate truth as
a personal God, I just accept this metaphor and fight for the Truth God. |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 14 is Satan bound now?
I think big crimes are caused by Satan, such as Judas betrayed Jesus
small "crime", lying, boasting, speeding, hating... are from our sinful
nature |
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发帖数: 2588 | 15 如果没有hating, 又怎么会发展成杀人？
Satan 是外因，人因为自由意志作出选择是内因。
但人的自由意志可以选择恨或者不恨，杀或者不杀。
也可以选择祈祷，求神保守内心，免得进入Satan的引诱。
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发帖数: 1776 | 16 Chapter 1
Of the Holy Scripture
1. Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and
providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of
God, as to leave men unexcusable;
a
yet are they not sufficient to give
that knowledge of God, and of his will, which is necessary unto
salvation.
b
Therefore it pleased the Lord, at sundry times, and in
divers manners, to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his
a. Rom. 2:14–15. For when the Gentiles, which have not the la... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 17 Jesus was talking about Judas
don't forget the gospels said Satan entered Judas' heart
I believe Satan entered Calvinists' hearts!
在世 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 18 Satan is driving Calvinist to hell
The really reformed Christians are winter, xwa, myelsa, ironmud...
you need reformation. Leave Satanism or you will be burned in hell |
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发帖数: 933 | 19 You think? For a such important issue, shouldn't the plan be made clear?
So, according to what you think, what happens after Satan is released after
the 1000 year kingdom? Those who pass that test, will they be guaranteed to
never sin again? How? And what about other angels? Will there be another
one to fall like Satan in the future? |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 20 this is only a speculation.
Jesus was tested by Satan because Jesus is testable.
If Jesus had no sin nature. Satan must be very stupid (of course he is
stupid because he tried to lure the God) |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 21 祷告直至有些事情发生！
看到一个小故事，觉得很有启示。。。
很多时候我们总是利用自己的聪明走在上帝的前面，而没有学会简单的信而顺服~！
A man was sleeping at night in his cabin when suddenly his room filled with
light, and God appeared.
一个人晚上正在他的小屋里睡觉，突然房间里充满了光，神向他显现。
The Lord told the man he had work for him to do, and showed him a large rock
in front of his cabin. The Lord explained that the man was to push against
the rock with all his might.
主跟他说，要交给他一个任务。主带他到屋门口的一块大岩石前，让他要用尽全力去推
那块大岩石。
So, this the man did, day after day. For many years he toiled from sun ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1776 | 22 CHAPTER XXV
Of the Church
I. The catholic or universal church, which is invisible, consists of the who
le number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one,
under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fullness of
him that filleth all in all.[490]
II. The visible church, which is also catholic or universal under the gospel
(not confined to one nation, as before under the law), consists of all thos
e throughout the world that profess the true religion;[491... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 23 Chpater 1.3 The Problem Of Our Sins
We begin, then, with the precious Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ and its
value to us in dealing with our sins and justifying us in the sight of God.
This is set forth for us in the following passages:
“All have sinned” (Romans 3:23). “God commendeth his own love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then,
being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God
through him” (Romans 5:8, 9). “Being justifi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 24 Chapter 12.1 The True Nature Of The Fall
If we have even a little revelation of the plan of God we shall always think
much of the word ‘man’. We shall say with the Psalmist, “What is man,
that thou art mindful of him?” The Bible makes it clear that what God
desires above all things is a man—a man who will be after His own heart.
So God created a man. In Genesis 2:7 we learn that Adam was created a living
soul, with a spirit inside to commune with God and with a body outside to
have contact with ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 25 Chpater 1.3 The Problem Of Our Sins
We begin, then, with the precious Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ and its
value to us in dealing with our sins and justifying us in the sight of God.
This is set forth for us in the following passages:
“All have sinned” (Romans 3:23). “God commendeth his own love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then,
being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God
through him” (Romans 5:8, 9). “Being justifi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 26 Chapter 12.1 The True Nature Of The Fall
If we have even a little revelation of the plan of God we shall always think
much of the word ‘man’. We shall say with the Psalmist, “What is man,
that thou art mindful of him?” The Bible makes it clear that what God
desires above all things is a man—a man who will be after His own heart.
So God created a man. In Genesis 2:7 we learn that Adam was created a living
soul, with a spirit inside to commune with God and with a body outside to
have contact with ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 27 chapter 13. 1 The Basis Of All True Ministry
No one can be a true servant of God without knowing the principle of death and the principle of resurrection. Even the Lord Jesus Himself served on that basis. You will find in Matthew 3 that, before His public ministry ever began, our Lord was baptized. He was baptized not because He had any sin, or anything which needed cleansing. No, we know the meaning of baptism: it is a figure of death and resurrection. The ministry of the Lord did not begin unt... 阅读全帖 |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 28 CHAPTER XXX
Of Church Censures
I. The Lord Jesus, as King and Head of his church, hath therein appointed a
government, in the hand of church officers, distinct from the civil magistra
te.[556]
II. To these officers the keys of the kingdom of heaven are committed; by vi
rtue whereof, they have power, respectively, to retain, and remit sins; to s
hut that kingdom against the impenitent, both by the Word, and censures; and
to open it unto penitent sinners, by the ministry of the gospel; and by abs
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发帖数: 712 | 29 CALVIN BELIEVED IN INFANT BAPTISM
Calvin said, "Baptism is properly administered to infants is something owed
to them."
CALVIN BELIEVED IN SACRAMENTS EQUAL TO GOD'S WORD
"Therefore, let it be regarded as a settled principle that the sacraments
have the same office as the Word of God: to offer and set forth Christ to us
, and in him the treasures of heavenly grace."
CALVIN BELIEVED IN AMILLENNIALISM AND WAS AGAINST PREMILLENNIALISM
Calvin said, "But a little later there followed the Chiliasts, wh... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38403 | 30 http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
5，Jews believe that one is born into the world with original purity, and
not with original sin. Jews do not believe in original sin.
7，Jews believe in The Satan, but not in a devil. There is a difference
between The Satan and the devil.
另外好奇一下，孟子苟子佛经犹太经典你读过多少 |
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发帖数: 933 | 31 Very enlightening information you provided, but I have a question.
You wrote "According to the account of Genesis 3, man was created with a
holy nature, in fellowship with God, and placed in an environment which was
"all very good"."
Then you wrote "Remember that before Adam sinned, there was already a sinful
creature who was in the Garden of Eden and who was in a fallen and wicked
condition. Who was this creature (Genesis 3:1 and Revelation 12:9)? The
leading of the Angel, Lucifer-Satan."
So, a... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 32 Calvinism is Satan's teaching
John Calvin is staying with Satan now. |
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发帖数: 6300 | 33 "Ultimately, the very fact that mankind can die is a result of Satan's work,
therefore all death results from him."
ZT --
This issue can be summed up by considering what the Bible has to say about
death. The introduction of sin into a perfect environment (i.e., the "fall"
in Genesis) also introduced death. Ultimately, the very fact that mankind
can die is a result of Satan's work, therefore all death results from him.
Even deaths that are attributed to God - anthropomorphically, of course -
are ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1297 | 34 这里是多年前看到的另一个版本的撒旦的历史。出处已经想不起来了。
撒旦的历史1---魔鬼与天使
基督教的地狱之王名撒旦（Satan），又称"魔鬼"（devil）。撒旦不是一个具体人名，
而泛指鬼王，或专与上帝为敌者。
撒旦作为地狱之王，并不是正义的化身，而是邪恶和受惩罚的代表。这与佛教的地狱之
阿阎罗王大相径庭，阎罗王在地狱中是行使正义的职权，主持惩恶事物的，两者的性质
截然不同。这邪恶的撒旦，是一切恶、丑、厌、苦的根源；他与作为善和美、喜和乐的
源泉的上帝处于永不停息的斗争之中，这种斗争的结果，形成世界的现状。
考察撒旦的身世经历，我们得到出人意料的发现，原来他最初竟是天堂中的天使。
《新约·犹大书》第六节说：
又有不守本体、离开自己住处的天使，主用锁链把它们永远拘留在黑暗里，等候大日的
审判。
可知确实是堕落的天使，离开自己的本位，背叛上帝，而被锁在黑暗里。这里所说的天
使，还不是魔鬼撒旦，因为他没有被锁住，到现在还自由自在地忙着四处做坏事。
堕落的天使不只是一两个或极少数，而是一个集团，撒旦是这个属于黑暗的堕落集团的
领袖。《旧约·以赛亚书》有一段记述，透露出有关撒旦的出身和他堕落... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 367 | 35 【 以下文字转载自 Church 俱乐部 】
发信人: CCBible (神同在圣经), 信区: Church
标 题: Glossary to the Westminster Confession
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 24 21:16:33 2012, 美东)
Glossary to the Westminster Confession
Explanations of all archaic and uncommon words, usages, and expressions, in
the order in which they occur.
Title Confession. n. Public statement of religious beliefs.
1.1 Providence. n. Divine care. Manifest. v. Show. Are they. idiom. T
hey are. Unto. prep. With regard to. Sundry. adj. Separate. D... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1093 | 36 是的，Satan也是个灵体，而且，从圣经某些章节来看，他统治着地球。
所以，我觉得最好的鉴别，就是十字架。违背十字架自我牺牲的，都有可能不是真正的
圣灵感动，而是人的血气，自大，骄傲，贪婪，和Satan的引诱。Santan就是喜欢看到
我们争战。夫妻之间，朋友之间，父母孩子之间，民族国家之间，教派之间，还有咱论坛里，呵呵呵。 |
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m****s
发帖数: 18160 | 37 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
Dramaer (不要问我从那里来) 于 (Fri Oct 22 12:02:52 2010, 美东) 提到:
Act 1：1-11 Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven
1In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and
to teach 2until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving
instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3After
his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing
proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days
... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 82 | 38 很抱歉, 很久没有登陆了.
Job是一个很虔诚的人, 也是一个一直被保佑的人. 在Job开篇, 就说明了Satan在和上
帝说Job对上帝的忠诚, 只是因为他一直得到保护得到他想要的东西, 如果遇到困难他
就不会保持对上帝的忠诚了.
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这个点我觉得是恰好说明了圣经的存在合理.在你的一生当中, 你可以企求平安家人幸
福健康.这些都是很真诚很美好的心愿. 可是总是有一些不如意的事情发生.你是不是真
的相信上帝, 这种信仰, 不应该由你是否一帆风顺而决定. 上帝是你打心里依赖相信的
对象. 无论你能理解的, 不能理解的, 都应该相信, 上帝有他的计划.
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上帝开始移开他对Job的保护. 没有了这个, satan 就直接攻击Job. 这个不是上帝在攻
击Job. 然后Job整本书都在讲为什么,为什么上帝要移开这个保护, 为什么Job自己一辈
子都还是很虔诚的相信着上帝, 没有去诅咒, 没有去背叛, 因为上帝高于一切.
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我不很明白你说"怎么解释" 是什么意思. 如果是要引经据典什么的, 我得去好好查查.
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发帖数: 1093 | 39 我目前只知道有来自神的爱和宽容，让人活在人间天堂，否则，自私，自我为中心，骄
傲，贪婪，仇恨，愤怒，带来的，就如同硫磺火烤一般的人间地狱。
至于死后，我目前无所谓去哪里，我希望可以去我的亲人去的地方。无论他们在哪里。
也许是永死，也许是硫磺火烤。我不知道。
而这一切，都是先祖犯的错，我们却要承担。这一点，我是认为上帝不公平的。
但，我依然信他。因为，我不愿意与Satan为伍。我不愿意我被自私，自我为中心捆绑
，我知道世间，一切的困扰，皆来自于Satan。 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 40 thanks for sharing.
John Calvin's commentary:
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15. To make him a king.
When those men intended to give to Christ the title and honor of king,
there was some ground for what they did. But they erred egregiously in
taking upon themselves the liberty of making a king; for Scripture ascribes
this as peculiar to God alone, as it is said,
I have appointed my king on my holy hill of Zion,
(Psalm 2:6.)
Again, what sort of kingdom do they contrive for him? An earthly one, which
is utterly inconsistent ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 217 | 41 all thinking people should question the existence of the so called god
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/24/where-was-god-in-auror
(CNN) – Where was God in Aurora?
It’s a fresh take on an age-old question: Why does God allow suffering,
natural disasters or – if you believe in it – evil?
We put the question to Twitter on Tuesday and got some starkly different
responses.
“In short, God was in complete control, exercising His will,” wrote @
PastorRileyF, who leads a church in Bethune, Colorado.... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 21367 | 42 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 问个问题 其实吧
以西结书里面写的是不是堕天使
堕天使是不是Lucifer
Lucifer是不是Satan
Satan是不是红角龙
甚至基督教圣经里面有没有提到过撒旦
这些都是基督教神学历史上很牛逼的问题
直到今天，绝大部分基督徒是不认为有撒旦的
这可能出乎到美国才半路出家的基督徒的认知
我问这个问题的用意在于，启发基督徒们查经读书
当然要是这个版上有人能提出有启发性洞察性的看法就更好了 |
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 43 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 问个问题 哈哈，我可从来没变过
不信基督教就反基督教
这种思想跟
信基督教就认为不信教的不能得救
一样荒谬。是事物的两个极端。我对基督教和世俗的了解，
都是很深刻的，不会狭隘走极端。
我从来没有说过“一定是神造的撒旦”，这纯属你的臆测。
你可以往前翻文字，对于神学，我可是很厉害很严谨的，很少犯错。
但是基督教和基督教会，圣经里期望的教会和世俗教会是两码事情，
这个你能分清吧。另外，先别讨论什么“罪”，这个题目可太大了。
我们只讨论撒旦，也就是圣经上说的Satan，能变形，能统治世界，
能给红角龙赋予力量，甚至可能是伊甸园蛇事件幕后推手的Satan。
它是怎么来的？ |
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 44 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 问个问题 你这不是坑人么，我的计划是最后再说这段的，哈哈
这句话和Rev 12:9还有20:2（the evil, the Satan）的呼应，
在中世纪制造了好多起战争，互相指责对方是Satan的习惯就那时候来的。
CCWiki虽然逃过了“存在”这个坑，但是正在“撒旦从罪中来”这个坑边上
你点醒完这句以后他可就逃过去了，没准想不到好解释就不来回帖了，多难过啊。
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发帖数: 675 | 45 I am sure you are in the world of the God but under control of Satan. The
reason is that you are falling in the perplexed circle, which is created by
Satan. |
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l**********n
发帖数: 675 | 46 I am sure you are in the world of the God but under control of Satan. The
reason is that you are falling in the perplexed circle, which is created by
Satan. |
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l*******h
发帖数: 55 | 47 神真正的安息日是礼拜五日落到礼拜六日落。现在的礼拜天敬拜是罗马天主教改的。他
们声称“Good Friday”，说YAHUSHUA ha MASHIACH （耶稣基督）是礼拜天清晨复活，
可是大家有没有想想下面这段经文怎么解释：
耶稣回答说：『一个邪恶淫乱的世代求看神迹：除了先知約拿的神迹以外，再没有神迹
给他们看。約拿三日三夜在大鱼肚腹中；人子也要这样三日三夜在地里头。』」（马太
福音十二39-40）
按罗马天主教的算法YAHUSHUA ha MASHIACH 在地里头有三天三夜吗？
神的安息日没变，是人为改的。人能改神的律法吗？！！！
出埃及记2:8-11当记念安息日，守为圣日。六日要劳碌作你一切的工，但第七日是向
耶和华你神当守的安息日。这一日你和你的儿女，仆婢，牲畜，并你城里寄居的客旅，
无论何工都不可作，因为六日之内，耶和华造天，地，海，和其中的万物，第七日便安
息，所以耶和华赐福与安息日，定为圣日。
In the Great Tribulation, the son of satan will have his own day to be set
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l*******h
发帖数: 55 | 48 神真正的安息日是礼拜五日落到礼拜六日落。现在的礼拜天敬拜是罗马天主教改的。他
们声称“Good Friday”，说YAHUSHUA ha MASHIACH （耶稣基督）是礼拜天清晨复活，
可是大家有没有想想下面这段经文怎么解释：
耶稣回答说：『一个邪恶淫乱的世代求看神迹：除了先知約拿的神迹以外，再没有神迹
给他们看。約拿三日三夜在大鱼肚腹中；人子也要这样三日三夜在地里头。』」（马太
福音十二39-40）
按罗马天主教的算法YAHUSHUA ha MASHIACH 在地里头有三天三夜吗？
神的安息日没变，是人为改的。人能改神的律法吗？！！！
出埃及记2:8-11当记念安息日，守为圣日。六日要劳碌作你一切的工，但第七日是向
耶和华你神当守的安息日。这一日你和你的儿女，仆婢，牲畜，并你城里寄居的客旅，
无论何工都不可作，因为六日之内，耶和华造天，地，海，和其中的万物，第七日便安
息，所以耶和华赐福与安息日，定为圣日。
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发帖数: 389 | 49
堕落某些时候的称呼没有变。参考：
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before
the Lord, Satan also came among them (Job 1:6).
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before
the Lord, and Satan came among them to present himself before the Lord (Job
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发帖数: 8775 | 50 上帝允许撒旦去做。
ESV study bible:
2 Sam 24:1 Here the text says the Lord . . . incited David, while the
parallel account in 1 Chron. 21:1 reads, “Satan . . . incited David.” God
himself never does evil, but sometimes he uses either Satanic forces or
sinful human beings to accomplish his purposes. For more on how to reconcile
the two accounts, see note on 1 Chron. 21:1; see also notes on Gen. 50:18–
21; 1 Sam. 16:14; Mark 14:21; Acts 2:23.
这不是上帝的命令而是大卫自己要显示自己的军力。而且没有按照上帝的律法办事。
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