c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 1 mizuno alchemy 9? alchemy is on the soft side. I have worn a pair of alchemy
7 and they are super soft on the heels, almost encouraging you to heel
strike. I just got a pair of alchemy 9 and have run 4 miles on a treadmill
today. they feel a bit firmer than 7 and thinner on the forefeet. I will get
a better idea after tomorrow's run on asphalt. they are the lightest I can
find among MC shoes. |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 2 He switched from forefoot to heel when he made the transition to the
marathon. He said that heel strike was more efficient for him (over the
longer distance). |
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t********e
发帖数: 32 | 3 chip time 3：02：44，garmin split：
Type Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
Interval 1 Mi 7:59.44 7:59.44 8:00
Interval 1 Mi 6:21.78 14:21.22 6:22
Interval 1 Mi 6:41.23 21:02.45 6:42
Interval 1 Mi 6:33.62 27:36.07 6:34
Interval 1 Mi 6:35.96 34:12.03 6:36
Interval 1 Mi 6:37.62 40:49.65 6:38
Interval... 阅读全帖 |
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 4 发现自己是heel strike啊。右脚偏mid-foot，左脚是heel。jogging的时候是mid-foot。
上周五第二个迈（后视）和第三个迈（侧视），8mph左右，跳到8分钟看jogging的。（
精神面貌欠佳，还戴着眼镜，大家请ignore）
从上到下：
1. 好像这次身体晃动比较大，手臂的cross摆动是不是也太大了？
2. hip，这是drive的不够，还是压根没drive？
3. 大腿是不是抬的送的太少了？
4. landing？
我知道我步频偏快，步子太小了，这个可能很难改变。:( |
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j******e
发帖数: 129 | 5 新人，请轻拍。成绩一般，主要是以感恩的心情写下这个流水账。感恩节快到了，
happy Thanksgiving!
先说一下结果：
60K, 37.2mile, total time: 6:34:13
Garmin 记录的距离: 38.02 miles
基本上完成目标：完成比赛，7小时之前。
周六的比赛，早上8点开始。我和serendip一起到NYRR取了号，和oAmAo在起点顺利汇合
。Serendip计划开始的26 mile, push自己，当做marathon跑，看看自己现在状态，剩
下的路程看状态。作为新人的我，很幸运，能和oAmAo一起跑。oAmAo很体贴的制定一个
适合我的作战方案。我们计划前3圈10:15的pace, 中间3圈9:45的pace, 最后3圈看自己
的感觉，状态好的话冲一下9:30。其中每一圈为4 mile。
Serendip在跑前，特意提醒我们，跑的时候，要注意找切线跑。Central park的路线，
很多地方都有那种8字形的路，所以尽量不要沿着公路上的白线跑，而是找准最近距离
跑。后面在跑的过程，这个被证实确实很有效。有个蓝衣mm，前两圈一直和我们咬着很... 阅读全帖 |
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 6 Check the ware pattern on you shoes, if the heel worn out more than other
parts, then you can probably confirm that
you are a heel striker, hehe |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 7 没觉得多大区别啊
cumulus: Heel (24mm), Forefoot (14mm)
speedstar: Heel (21mm), Forefoot (11mm)
坡度其实没差好多。。
want |
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d*****n
发帖数: 1875 | 8 除了High Heel Kick ， 别的和我今天参加一个run clinic, coach D 说的是一样的。
我深有体会呀。
什么是high heel kick? 我不太明白。
我个人看法： 100米跑不进13秒以内的， 跑步的潜力是有限的。 |
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d*****n
发帖数: 1875 | 9 除了High Heel Kick ， 别的和我今天参加一个run clinic, coach D 说的是一样的。
我深有体会呀。
什么是high heel kick? 我不太明白。
我个人看法： 100米跑不进13秒以内的， 跑步的潜力是有限的。 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 10 今天穿着SS4跑Cruise Interval， 最后1迈cooldown的时候无聊就
想这个跑鞋的事情。 SS4这个以前的跑版明星， 虽然轻薄， 但是
其实heel to toe也是不小的。 后跟高的鞋子， 非常容易就heel
landing了， 往好处想， 是帮你减震， 往坏处想， 其实是帮你
减速。。
而且后跟高的话， 如果想forefoot landing， 就必须使劲踮脚，
才能保证鞋跟不着地。。等到4月份， 不管Kinvara是否打折都要进
一双试试看了。。 |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 11 不需要dorsiflex得很厉害，轻微地，感觉到calf pre stretch就行了，甚至有这个意
识就行了，这个不会造成heel strike的。heel strike一般是其他因素造成，
excessive forward lean, over reaching，over striding，etc. |
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t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 12 个人认为减震的唯一方法就是像忍者那样跑步， 嘿嘿
其实那个光脚鞋也没啥， 说白了， 就是让你的脚疼上两天， 你就发现要改改姿势了
如果你不是heel strike 的话哪， 普通跑鞋也没啥， 反正treadmill impact 小很多
如果是heel strike, 是不是应该改改？跑起来就像是有个橡皮锤子在敲脚后跟，
cushion 大
的鞋子就是锤子的橡皮厚一些， 而那些橡皮只能让你脚后跟吸能的速度减缓， 而不能
真正起到一个
减震的功效， 菜鸟见解， 老鸟轻拍
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l*****8
发帖数: 710 | 13 我好像就是heel strike的，是想着要慢慢改。今天再去试试，如果GTS还是让我倾向于
heel strike，就把它排除了。
势了 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 14 It was 4:30 in the morning. Baiji, Ryanflower and I were up, getting our
bags, ready for the big race. We got
on the bus around 6 which took us from Boston common to Hopkinton. The
temperature was in the 40s and
windy. Some say it was once in a life time weather for Boston marathon (
though it heated up a bit after the
race started and I didn't feel much wind except for a few short moments).
Going to the bathroom close to
race start is tricky. Baiji had the great idea of using gatorade bottles
w... 阅读全帖 |
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 15 I am using SS4 and mach 11 now. SS4 gives way more protection, especially
for heels. When I wear mach 11, my heels were pretty tight and sometimes
were hurt a bit although I was landing on forefoot. But I am happy with both
of them.
Indeed I am not quite picky for shoes. My old gel pulse was also good, with
nearly 600 miles. Some basket ball shoes are also okay... |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 16 it's more complicated than just heel-to-toe drop. kinvara has very low heel-
to-toe drop. but its problem is that the mid section is too thick. from
discussions on other running forums, I'm not the only one who had worse shin
splints problems wearing kinvara.
Let me draw a comparison between MT101 and Kinvara. Around the same period
of time, I wore MT101 in a 50-mile race, a 45-mile run/hike, a 5K race,
tempo runs, and a relay race. I ran Kinvaras in easy runs, sometimes doubles
. My running for... 阅读全帖 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 17 There is no question that cushioned shoes can absorb some impact. It is also
shown in Lieberman's lab tests (barefoot heelstrike vs shoes heelstrike).
The point of debate is whether cushioned shoes messes up the running form by
allowing excessive heelstrike. Most recreational runners are not very much
aware of their poor running forms and this is where the problem lies. I
certainly agree that running form is infinitely more important than the
choice of shoes, but for newbies, especially, the for... 阅读全帖 |
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w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 18 Probably timing and duration for ice is not done correctly.
For muscles, applying ice immediately after running for
10 min < duration < 20 min.
I don't usually feel the need to ice joint. If you feel joint
is injured. It would be tendon or ligament damage. Resting is
probably the only choice to help it heel. Applying ice does not
help it heel, but just relieve pain. At least my last experience
of Achilles Tendonitis taught me this lesson. |
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w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 19 Probably timing and duration for ice is not done correctly.
For muscles, applying ice immediately after running for
10 min < duration < 20 min.
I don't usually feel the need to ice joint. If you feel joint
is injured. It would be tendon or ligament damage. Resting is
probably the only choice to help it heel. Applying ice does not
help it heel, but just relieve pain. At least my last experience
of Achilles Tendonitis taught me this lesson. |
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L********e
发帖数: 1202 | 20 看样子你不是heel landing。这很正常啊。6迈很牛拉。我正在学，3迈一次都只能一周
一次。其他时候继续heel landing.应该渐渐会好吧，别搞伤了。
我估计怎么也得适应个大半年的。 |
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 21 You suppose to feel quite different using mid-foot and heel landing.
mid foot will land with the outer edge of your foot first, then your whole
foot.
when landing with heels, I feel to have much less tension from calf and
sometimes feel like rolling. |
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 22 That is how you hurt your knees, almost the worst case.
The impact from heeling landing on your knees is larger than running on
flats. Therefore we should try to avoid this scenario.
If your calf is not strong enough to hold, then you need to reduce your
stride by increasing the cadence. If you can still bend your knee, your calf is fine.
In a word, try to avoid landing on heels when running downhill
Of course the distance matters. I am talking about the general case when you
are running a long ... 阅读全帖 |
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M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 23 我觉得heel landing的副作用被放大了。。。
虽然我不是heel landing，但是我看到很多脚跟滚得，不少都滚得很轻，跑得也狠轻松 |
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t********n
发帖数: 611 | 24 我看晕了！！
今天跑了6迈脚指开始疼，俺就干脆换回heel landing了，然后又能跑3个迈，本来很高
兴，想以后干脆还是heel landing吧，起码可以跑长点，现在看到你这个贴我又很困惑
了！ 我快邯郸学步学得不会跑了。。。 |
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M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 25 不要heel striker了试试看
好像听说heel striker的特别伤膝盖。。。 |
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s******p
发帖数: 819 | 26 我说的不是鞋跟，是说heel counter和heel tab那块比较高，
我现在肯定是不穿大cushion鞋子跑了，drop是0都没用。鞋子越薄，trail上路感越好。 |
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t*******f
发帖数: 2634 | 27 I met similar problem. I had a pair of Nike training
shoes before started running. It was and is very comfortable
while walking, especially in the mall on hard floor.
I started running using this pair. But quickly I got
heel pain. After quite several trying different shoes,
including my badminton shoes to run, I realized that the
Nike training shoes created the problem. So I bought
Asics and NB running shoes on sale. Not expensive at all.
My heel pain problem has gone after switching to them.
By... 阅读全帖 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 28 By Selene Yeager
We know, we know: Stretching is confusing. One minute experts tell you to
stretch before you run, and the next minute research reveals that static
stretching (think: touching your toes) may actually zap performance. What's
a runner to do?
Well, first, know this. You need to stretch. Running makes your legs strong,
toned, and, unfortunately, tight. Every step you take forces those quads,
hamstrings, calves, and hips to flex and extend over and over to propel you
down the road. Af... 阅读全帖 |
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a******a
发帖数: 2067 | 29 谢谢回帖
现在是adidas supernova sequence 3，去官网居然没找到图，faint
下面是sequence 4的介绍
DETAILS
Weight: 350 g （男鞋）
FORMOTION™ adapts to the ground to ensure the smoothest, most
comfortable run possible; Air mesh upper for maximum breathability; Stitched
-on micro-suede in forefoot for smooth fit and support
adiPRENE®+ in the forefoot maintains propulsion and efficiency;
GEOFIT™ construction for anatomical fit and comfort
TORSION® SYSTEM for midfoot integrity; Pro-moderator med... 阅读全帖 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 30 I think it depend on whether you are a forefoot striker or
heel striker, Tarther is good for heel/midfoot striker,
Hyperspeed 4 is excellent for forefoot striker, and
efficient runner....
to |
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 31 我冲刺的时候已经是非常典型的heel landing了。因为AT和小腿已经抽了半天了，用
heel landing可以借助大腿跑坡，不过在这400米之前大腿也早都抽抽了。。。 |
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t*******f
发帖数: 2634 | 32 Xie4! Will follow.
I noticed that the LHR run at turtle speed of 5mph
does not aggravate my heel pain. Only slight soreness.
Maybe the heel pain will recover. |
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 33 最近听从local的老美，在改heel strike。。。
膝盖那个地方landing的时候要弯，然后争取land在heel前面一点点。。。舒服多了。
。。
原来要是有hamstring问题，现在也没有了 |
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 34 膝盖不要Lock就好
heel strike也不能over stride
我改成heel strike之后，小腿的压力巨减，跑起来轻了很多
当然我是菜鸟，所以我的跑姿很差，以后争取提高，目前能跑得远不受伤是我的第一目标
题， |
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p***r
发帖数: 4859 | 35 一家之言，欢迎批评。
我是从heel进化到fore，然后最近outbacker评论说我有点mid的感觉。这个过程大约1年
左右，heel的那个时候得了ITBS，很是痛苦了一把，然后开始改变姿势。
我自己的感觉是有这么几点比较重要。
1. 步频，步频上去了，同样的速度就只用小一些的strike，对身体冲击小。也同时要省
力很多。挺高的办法就是保持注意力，听180+bpm的音乐是一个好办法。
2. 脚一定要放松。不要故意用劲，那样反而更容易受伤。脚踝尽可能保持90度。
3. 鞋子要适当宽松，脚趾在鞋子里面也要放松，成自然状态。我去年为了模仿所谓的刨
地动作，脚趾扣在鞋子里面。不但脚不舒服，而且脚趾屡屡起水泡。
其他的还没有想好..... |
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p*****r
发帖数: 341 | 36 点住滚动条往下快拉，图片会有惊喜。。。。
您应该不是heel-strike，看第三张图感觉鞋底有点厚，如果脚落得近了脚跟（其实是
鞋跟）会先着地，往前伸脚是身体的自然选择，因为你不想heel strike，落近了脚尖
就需要垫得很高。乱猜的。 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 37 from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_type
Overpronation
As with a neutral pronator, an individual who overpronates initially strikes
the ground on the lateral side of the heel. As the individual transfers
weight from the heel to the metatarsus, however, the foot will roll too far
in a medial direction, such that the weight is distributed unevenly across
the metatarsus, with excessive weight borne on the hallux. In this stage of
the gait, the knee will generally, but not always, track inw... 阅读全帖 |
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f******k
发帖数: 5329 | 38 我因为使用heel stride，现在得了严重的plantar fasciitis和achillis tendonitis
，不是为了追求酷，是必须要改变姿势，不然就不能跑了。
但是我跑得很慢，每小时5迈的速度，基本是介于jogging和running之间。我想问是不
是我速度太慢了，所以必然只能用heel，因为走路是没法用脚掌的，只有跑起来才行。
有没有和我一样慢跑却能用脚掌着地的？ |
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 39 我觉得heel striker不一定磨脚后跟。。。
不过以前easyrun说国家女队也是不少都是heel striker的 |
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 40 看了hs5,好像厚度比hs4高了啊
Take off in the Asics Gel Hyper Speed 5, a versatile racing flat with a
comfortable road feel. This shoe has a wide forefoot platform for added
stability and a fluid heel-to-toe ride on the road. Now featuring a wetgrip
outsole for better traction in wet conditions, this shoe will take you far
whether its on the road or around the track. Available February 2012.
Model Number: T217N.9093
Important Shipping Note: U.S. sales only.
Weight: 7.2 oz (size 9)
Stack Height: Heel (24mm),... 阅读全帖 |
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 41 我的理解，平底鞋是对落地的时候ball和脚跟一样平的人试用的
高Heel的鞋是对落地的时候ball 低于脚跟的人用的，而不是heel-striker
是不是不对？ |
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S*******a
发帖数: 63 | 42 步频倒是180/分容易保持，跑步机上一直在走时间，反正我就一秒三步。
现在速度慢基本不会HEEL着地，不过小腿几乎也不往上摆，整个一超慢速小跑。
你说的纠正姿势是说不要HEEL LANDING，还是说OVER-PRONATION也是可以纠正的？ |
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t*******f
发帖数: 2634 | 44 Planned to have a short test run on treadmill the new
MT20. To be cautious, original plan was 3mi@5mph, ultra
low speed/HR.
5mph did not need to worm up. Jump up on the treadmill
and start jogging. It was extremely comfortable and felt
so easy, easier than ever.
After 30min, still felt great, and started [email protected], my
LHR training speed. Still very very easy, no heel pain
or knee pain during entire hour. In fact, I run till 6miles.
By the way, this was my last 5.5mph LHR run. I will move to
6mph... 阅读全帖 |
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M*****a
发帖数: 2054 | 45 albert salazar也是heel striker啊
觉得heel落地没什么不好的 |
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L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 46 first let me clarify that I was talking about stride angle, not strike angle
. The two have nothing to do with each other. large stride angle has little
to do with overstriding or not.
also, it is not clear that heel striking costs more energy. The problem with
heel striking is risk of injury, not efficiency. |
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t*******f
发帖数: 2634 | 47 I got heel pain from soft and thick sole (maybe combined with high
heel-to-toe drop) running shoes. Now I wear MT20 everyday for
walking and running (black version for work, orange version for running).
MT20 is really comfortable.
Decided to use HS4 for speed work on pavement. MT20 feels thin, can
easily feel small stones. I may need some months to toughen my feet
up using MT20.
Wave universe indeed feels great. Also have two pairs of inov-8
minimalist shoes, very thin sole, but very comfortable... 阅读全帖 |
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g*2
发帖数: 658 | 48 Overview of running injuries of the lower extremity
Author
Lisa R Callahan, MD Section Editor
Karl B Fields, MD Deputy Editor
Jonathan Grayzel, MD, FAAEM
All topics are updated as new evidence becomes available and our peer review
process is complete.
Literature review current through: Feb 2012. | This topic last updated: Oct
20, 2011.
INTRODUCTION — Running is one of the world’s most popular forms of
exercise, with millions of regular participants. In the United States alone,
up to 40 mil... 阅读全帖 |
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r*****p
发帖数: 531 | 49 大姐不管你是不是heel landing你overside是很明显的.脚落地的时候应该在重心下或
后方,就算你穿了牛顿鞋land在前脚上也只是治标没有治本,脚落地在中心以下,自然就
用f/f landing了.你这么跑反而还不如你heel landing自然.
鞋对于矫正跑资起的只是辅助作用,不要心理上太依赖为好. |
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t*******f
发帖数: 2634 | 50 Had rested from early this month till last Friday. Three weeks
off running gave me a perfect chance to rest all the small injuries
in muscles and tendons, especially my hip tendon pain was completely
gone. My right back heel pain was much much better. I could see
that the inflammation had shrunk significantly. However, I got
an accident on my left back heel so I had to rest it in case it
got worse - still a little painful, but no inflammation (lucky
enough). Have not taken IBU for quite some tim... 阅读全帖 |
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