g**s 发帖数: 1114 | 1 LOL, I just have lots of vacation days left this year so I may play full
time in some week days. Noooooooo way to be a pro as I understand more and
more how frustrated when the downswing is going on.
I was running very well since mid of last month big down swing(lost $2200 a
day). Playing 4 rush tables give me more and more confidence in the current
level, more volume and more profit as well. I was up about $5500 for 60K
hands in 20 days, which is close to 10BB/100, pretty good.
However, I had a... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s 发帖数: 1114 | 2 Haha, guess my downswing beats yours. the nice thing of downswing is that
makes you thinking your play and help you keeping cool when next comes...
improve |
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g**s 发帖数: 1114 | 3 I could not figure out the reasons why the downswings happens(this makes me
feel even worse...). I dont think I was on tilt when I lost big(Maybe I was
and just did not realize that...). I need review the hands again. I want to
see downswings specialist... LOL
is
I
lot
this
else you found out in terms of game playing? |
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T*********k 发帖数: 1621 | 4 the hand is really not that bad. my friend.
the bb first made a donk bet, he just want to take down the pot and got
called. at the turn he added the nut flush draw with two high cards. mostly
he didn't read you that well and figured out u have a pair. in reality he
had almost 30% chance to catch up. 70% advantage in poker is nothing.
this past week i lost 1.2k in live game in one day. i lost $500 in one hand
with AAs. fish not only called my $100 3-bet preflop with 89o, he called
every street ... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 5 shitty things happen to me also.
I get huge downswings on HUSNG for 1.7k
another huge downswings on super turbo SNG for 1.5k. (Around 10 hours!!!)
some tilts happen for MTT, blows another 1k or 1.5k |
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g**s 发帖数: 1114 | 6 wow, looks like we are in downswings club now... play less, stay cool, that'
s some thing I always told myself when I face the downswings.
confidence. |
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T*********k 发帖数: 1621 | 7 Played the single table all the way. Never even thought about mutli-tabling.
Admire all those multi-tablers. I can never do that without giving up result
( when I tried multi-table rush, disaster usualy happens)
I was winning steadily from Nov 29th to Dec 4th. On Dec 4th, I lost 1.5 buy-
ins in half hours. I stopped playing and watched DVD. At night I resumed and
get the 1.5 buy-in back.
Dec 5th, the ineventible downswing begins, I got sucked out by 22s pre-flop
all-in. I am holding QQs and get ... 阅读全帖 |
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G********r 发帖数: 666 | 8 谢谢,同安慰。 老大downswing结束了吗?
我的downswing持续到上周五,其中拿AA两次,一手牌对一个无脑赌徒型的鱼,我AA PF
3 bet all in, 他Ac10c snap called,AA 是dominatingly commanding lead 啊!
一发牌,flop居然是10h10d3s,我只有一个out,drawing dead... 额滴神啊。
另一手牌AA PF raised 到 7.5x BB, 一个新进桌的人(证明是鱼)拿着Kc5s跟,flop775
two hearts,我over bet flop,他想都不想就call了, 然后turn牌是5,我checked,
他small value bet, 我called; 5th street another 5, checked-small value bet - called,我paid him off看到了quad 5s... 哎 ...
周六周日两天的sessions终于触底反弹,乘胜追击, AC之行的洞补上了85-90%。
自我总结对付luck factor 导致的loosing str... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 9 pat pat.
Everyone has some huge downswings.
nanonoko also has a big downswing day, -210k$
合。 |
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h*******s 发帖数: 3932 | 10 Those were really unlucky hands and you couldn't do much about it. I have
several other questions though:
1. your vpip/pfr is 12.2/7.4, and TWSD% is very high (33%) due to your tight
preflop action I guess. does this work at NL100 rush? windstormm obviously
plays much looser and more aggressive. I wonder if both styles still work at
this level.
2. with such low vpip/pfr, we expect to see low variance, right? has that
been the case for you? personally I only saw max of 2 buyins downswing (but
I o... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 11 it is all about having a realistic expectation about your win rate. Say at
NL 100, your expect yourself to have a 3bb/100hand overall, which is already
very solid. Understanding the nature of the game, we won't blindly adjust
it up when we have a hot month like 9bb/100 hand.
In terms of how to deal with downswings, I posted in another forum as
following:
"下风期其实就是机会. 虽然我常说不要result oriented, 但在poker里谈何容易, 赢
钱的时候是不可能象输钱时那样怀疑自己的打法的.这里就是你reevaluate 你game 的
机会, fix leaks. 这里还有一个很关键的是要坚持自己正确的打法,不要ove... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 12 definitely. I have the same problem.
Those 35$ level regs do some wired stuff to me.
For example:1. SB shoves me every hand, I will call with Q5o quite
confidently. However, I do not know whether I can call with 95o.
2. Bubble situation: Big stack shoves on the bubble, I am in BB, I am the
1BB shorter than the 2nd chip leader, and have K6s, whether should I call it.
As you can see from my graph, I have 1400$ downswing in one day, if that
downswing continues for 2 days longer, I am almost out. So... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 13 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Tax~ chinese only? lol, i doubt many top american pros will be in big troubles if
IRS gets tough on this issue.
many with so called career winnings of, say, $2M, if this number is reliable
, at least half would go to IRS, even you're qualified as a pro (and thus a
professional income like others), still, you'll pay tax on every penny you
win, but only be able to deduct your "loss" to some degree.
imagine you have an upswing in year A, you have to pay all your taxes, then
in year B, you have a big dow... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 14 good work, how to handle a bad month really defines a good and bad player.
2K/month is still way above avg. players, you can officially claim yourself
to be able to make a living now, lol.
after
days and one 10 buy in downswing. I had another 12 buy in downswing later of
the month.
rakeback. |
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c****1 发帖数: 457 | 15 you are true grinder. nice steady second income.
i feel myself more like a recreational player. no discipline.
play too much FTOP events, down maybe 3000 this month.
FTP muilti entry is a bloody money sucker.
after
days and one 10 buy in downswing. I had another 12 buy in downswing later of
the month.
rakeback. |
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y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 16 bobo, it is just the variance.
I get a lot of swings recently. At least two -1k downswing, one -2k
downswing.
As I post before, only 200 games of 35$ level, I lost -2k.
Yesterday, I am shy to have kk, qq, jj, they repop me with ace crap, every
time they win. a ton of bubbles. |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 17 mid-month downswing seems to happen to me every month. Another 10k hand day. hoho
There are always 1 or 2 buy-in that I regret to lose during this type of
downswings. I think I lost 2 buy-ins due to bad play overall during the stretch. |
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 18
a little bit bored with rush. played some STHUSNG, did not play much
recently ,but still my favorate game. Many reg experienced 60-100 bi downswing. I have a few 30 bi downswing. Had a roller coaster run. played with an super loose , aggro guy. his ss got blocked. I would not say he is a fish, but not good either and defend BB with hands like J5o.
A little tilting at beginning , after losing a few huge favor situation,but
made a huge comeback. HU is all about adjustment. |
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T*********k 发帖数: 1621 | 19 I think we are comparing apple and orange.
Fryking is talking about poker players as a whole who take poker as second
income, MM is talking about his own case. Both have their merit.
Let us face it, poker as a whole sucks as a second income source, just like
stock, most ppl lose money, a few break even (like myself), only elite few
make decent amount of money.
Even those elite few, god knows how stessful the process is, how many late
night we stayed just try to dig ourselves out of holes and how... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 20 The downswing runs into you without any notification.
Moment ago, I play some 20s and 35s for fun, the downswing comes to me, I
have -800$ in just 2 hours, even those 20s or 25s can do some substantial
damage.
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G********r 发帖数: 666 | 21 Thanks, bro. Yes, your AA loss to AK pre-flop x3 was terrible. Having to
stand such consecutive bad beats and survive resultant downswings is bitter,
but I guess it will happen to a card player sooner or later if he/she plays
long enough.
Playing only weekend sessions, my downswing has lasted over a month!
Sometimes there is simply no way to explain an extended down swing. In
retrospect, I feel that I made mostly optimal decisions: avoid going on tilt
when getting beat hard by runner-runner... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 22 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 没水了。 still lots of skill for 25BB structure. just fish got burned faster for
this game.
20 buyin is far from enough for hyper turbo husng. at least 50buyin for
small-middle stake. I prefer to have 80- 100 buyin at 100-200$ level and
150+buyin at 300+level. my roi is one of the best among regs at my level
back then, still experienced many 30+ buyin downswing. many top husng pro(
promordialaa, melanie weisnser) expereinced 60+ buyin downswing at 500$+
level playing hyper. still very profitable... 阅读全帖 |
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T********n 发帖数: 528 | 23 It's very difficult to never have a losing month. Especially for live games
, if you want to pump in a lot of hours you start playing at non-prime time
where game selection is worse. When games are worse than win rates are
lower, and then swings are sicker.
For a good mid-high stakes LHE player at Commerce showing consistent 100-
200k profit year after year (depending on stakes, hours, and skill) isn't so
difficult. I know of at least 5-6 of those players, but all those guys
take turns going ... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k 发帖数: 1621 | 24 实话实说吧,我看您还是歇一会吧。看来是心态坏了。
TTs preflop 100bb call 5-bet All in, 除非你吃准对方是 squeeze 惯了,超级大
lag,否则无论如何是 reckless 了一些。你可以说我读他很准啊,这幅是一对 T 对
79s 啊。可运气不好,downswing 的时候,恰恰是应该打得更紧一些的时候。多打
postflop,避开 marginal situation。人翻拍出来是 79s,可你当时 call 的时候,
可能想的是就跟人家拼 coin flop。6-max 一对 TTs call 100bb 5-bet is a
marginal call at best.
另外你 downswing, on tilt,想想自己是不是开始 push 了? 有经验的玩家一看就
看出来了,某某人开始 on tilt,开始 push,开始乱 bluff,然后大家就开始盯住这
个人打了。因为大家知道这个人运气不好,而且肯定不是 play 自己的 A game,于是
乎本来你
看来 weak tight 的人,也开始愿意跟 pot 了,有 draw 的话... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 25 online的咱们不要拿来做标准。
lz说live,就说live。
online这个我都不能相信任何一家不作弊。
所以online swing大是由于作弊还是由于对抗强,这个也没办法确定。
但live肯定远没online这么大swing。
一个downswing就3-5万手,打live的很多人一辈子都没打过3-5万手。那么说岂不是
live的winner赢了一辈子只不过是刚好碰上了upswing?
我打online可以连续几天不停的river out,这种搞法downswing太容易。
live哪里见过这种。我打live最多输过的就是3个buying。 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 26 online的咱们不要拿来做标准。
lz说live,就说live。
online这个我都不能相信任何一家不作弊。
所以online swing大是由于作弊还是由于对抗强,这个也没办法确定。
但live肯定远没online这么大swing。
一个downswing就3-5万手,打live的很多人一辈子都没打过3-5万手。那么说岂不是
live的winner赢了一辈子只不过是刚好碰上了upswing?
我打online可以连续几天不停的river out,这种搞法downswing太容易。
live哪里见过这种。我打live最多输过的就是3个buying。 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 27 如果软件要搞鬼,它不会针对哪一个人。
他只会让赢得多的人输回去。
你要继续打,还是会赢。但不会赢那么多。总之你赢小头,赌场赢大头。
我说的是“如果”,这个事不能确定的。为什么现在大家都是downswing?每个人都是
这样,还是赢,但没赢多少。查查你们自己的图,再查查打live的图,pearl0的图。
我在养鱼塘开始也赢了不少。后来也是像你一样。没完没了坑爹的牌。我相信我继续打
下去还是会赢。但赢以前要熬一个很长的downswing。
我不想熬,我就把钱提出来不打了。我做股票的本能,遇到suspicious的事我就躲开。
结果就是我赢得钱大部分都提出来了。
做股票你不能相信官方的话。很多股票赢利公布很好,公司说的都是利好,但是股票却
不停地跌。当最后公司里真正糟糕的事公布出来时,股票已经跌了百分之七八十。
所以你要是相信官方,相信公司说的,你亏得渣都不剩。 |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 29 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得,不一定都是对的,总是有特例的,但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1:
刚刚学会打牌的规则,没有任何技巧的概念,打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2:
看了一点资料,可能看了一本书,知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么, 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话,一般只记得自己有什么牌,
flop上有什么牌,对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小,
大家的位置,stack 大小,等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3:
玩了上万手牌了,输了一些,这是一个分界线,有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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f**d 发帖数: 768 | 30 这是一本计算神经科学的优秀著作,全文拷贝这里(图和公式缺),有兴趣的同学可以
阅读
如需要,我可以分享PDF文件(--仅供个人学习,无商业用途)
From Computer to Brain
William W. Lytton
From Computer to Brain
Foundations of Computational Neuroscience
Springer
William W. Lytton, M.D.
Associate Professor, State University of New York, Downstato, Brooklyn, NY
Visiting Associate Professor, University of Wisconsin, Madison
Visiting Associate Professor, Polytechnic University, Brooklyn, NY
Staff Neurologist., Kings County Hospital, Brooklyn, NY
In From Computer to Brain: ... 阅读全帖 |
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M*V 发帖数: 3205 | 31 研究表明只是长期单一种植,可以抗一些风险.平年并不增产.
confirms the general understanding that the major benefit of genetically
modified (GM) corn doesn't come from increasing yields in average or good
years, but from reducing losses during bad ones.
抗风险的收入相当于每英亩增产0.006% 到 2.7%.
Value of modified corn is more in reducing losses than boosting yields
(0.8 to 4.2 bushels increased per acre,150 bushels per acre).
"A lot of farmers assume that if it's transgenic, it's great in terms of
yield, but we know that putting a transg... 阅读全帖 |
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p***i 发帖数: 194 | 32 研究表明只是长期单一种植,可以抗一些风险.平年并不增产.
confirms the general understanding that the major benefit of genetically
modified (GM) corn doesn't come from increasing yields in average or good
years, but from reducing losses during bad ones.
抗风险的收入相当于每英亩增产0.006% 到 2.7%.
Value of modified corn is more in reducing losses than boosting yields
(0.8 to 4.2 bushels increased per acre,150 bushels per acre).
"A lot of farmers assume that if it's transgenic, it's great in terms of
yield, but we know that putting a transg... 阅读全帖 |
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a**********y 发帖数: 930 | 33 这个人叫karen bruton,去参加seminar,被人忽悠去念了博士,估计那种水货,读了
一年半拿了博士。
然后牛逼用一万刀起步,几年就变成四千多万美元。
当然,后面故事很精彩,大家看看
牛人介绍:
Background
Attended a $22K Investools PhD course that took 1.5 years.
Traded stocks using technical analysis from 2002 to 2007 with $10K capital.
Start non-directional trading using options from 2007 with ~$100K capital,
and made 50%.
Friends put in money to start 2008 off with $700K.
Made $41M profits by 2011, fund size was ~$80M.
As of May 2012, was managing around ~$160M.
Basic Strategy
Thet... 阅读全帖 |
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a**********y 发帖数: 930 | 34 这个人叫karen bruton,去参加seminar,被人忽悠去念了博士,估计那种水货,读了
一年半拿了博士。
然后牛逼用一万刀起步,几年就变成四千多万美元。
当然,后面故事很精彩,大家看看
牛人介绍:
Background
Attended a $22K Investools PhD course that took 1.5 years.
Traded stocks using technical analysis from 2002 to 2007 with $10K capital.
Start non-directional trading using options from 2007 with ~$100K capital,
and made 50%.
Friends put in money to start 2008 off with $700K.
Made $41M profits by 2011, fund size was ~$80M.
As of May 2012, was managing around ~$160M.
Basic Strategy
Thet... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********n 发帖数: 603 | 35 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: waterforfun (水为乐), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 洛城赌侠2014初战江湖,请各高手指点一二
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 4 23:52:16 2014, 美东)
去年玩了一年的HOME GAME, 还有幸请到了版花参加一两次,洛城众赌友兴奋不已。
受版花影响,今年年初开始出没洛城各大赌场,目前累计111个SESSION,近400小时,
主要打小的1/2,2/3 为主, 期间碰到两次大的DOWNSWING,一次损失近半,另一次损
失近1/3,目前hourly rate 在20左右,参考下贴附图,各位大侠觉得这个PERFORMANCE
如何? |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 36 国际保龄球联盟 Federation Internationale des Quilleurs(FIQ)
世界十瓶保龄球联合会 World Tenpin Bowling Association(WTBA)
全中strike
连续两次全中double
连续三次全中triple
补中spare
失误error
分瓶(技术球)split
死球dead ball
犯规foul
慢投球slow bowling
记分scoring the game
记分表score sheet
一局one game
一格one frame
一节one block
最高局分high game
平均分average
全中位impact points
投球delivery
推球pushaway
扬球follow through
下摆downswing
后摆backswing
投球顺序order of bowling
单人赛singles
双人赛doubles
三人赛trios
五人队际赛five player teams
全能all events
精英预赛master semifinals
精英决赛master gra |
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z*****l 发帖数: 27 | 37 之所以会觉得golf和badminton有相通之处,
是在手腕的灵活性和力度。
downswing中击球前的刹那。 |
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ET 发帖数: 10701 | 39 for the solid contact, do u always make eyes contact on ur ball?
stare at ur ball during the backswing, downswing, even follow-through.
for the high trajectory, i think it depends on your follow-through, how long u
let ur arm follow freely.
let me say vijay's, he said he intentionlly shorten his arm during the
follow-through, in order to avoid the high trajectory, say, longer distance.
I think longer follow-through and shorter one can be told the pose of
finishing.
check this vijia's out
and th |
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C******e 发帖数: 1850 | 40 For example, the basic skills on gripping, addressing, ball position,
upswing, downswing etc. Links with video or graphs/images will work best. |
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ET 发帖数: 10701 | 41 backswing, downswing和follow-through, 无论对full swing, chipping, pitching,
flop, putting。
我只能讲一些最具有普遍意义的地方,对,它们也是基本功。这里我不想假装一个
swing 大师 - 我也装不象。在你也在挣扎难时,看看是不是做到这些是不是有做到:
节奏 - 节奏是关键,一个舒缓平稳的节奏永远有效。(我知道这是废话,人人都想做
"big&easy" Ernie Els) 那没办法,如果你想提高的话,就必须永远做到这一点。只是
不幸的是,有些人天生急性子..... (不想展开了,敲字太累)
swing plane - 这就是传说中的挥杆平面,挥杆过程中手臂与球杆划过的平面 - 这是
一个说起来远比做起来难万倍的能掌握的东西。让我告诉你一个事实,如果你是一个稳
定的70's golfer, 你一定有一个很稳定的平面。
backswing - 信不信由你,在你到了70's时,你最困惑的就是这里,好吧,对我适用。
当然Tiger/Phil 也提到,他们在挥杆时,脑海里需要maintain的就是保持他已经有的
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t*****n 发帖数: 467 | 42 hehe, I am not an expert. In my opinion, he has pretty good golf swing.
almost on plane during the
backswing and downswing. no fly right elbow and pretty flat swing plane. he
has fast tempo and compact
backswing (probably 10 o'clock) which I think may increase the consistent of
your swing. I am right now
working on restrict my backswing. I tend to overswing. Just my 2 cents. :) |
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ET 发帖数: 10701 | 43 I would take the advice from those comments.
1. I would advise him to take this drill from V Jay.
read 1-2- during the swing. 1- for backswing, 2- for downswing.
2. loose the arms, relax them.
power comes from loose muscle. Intense muscle slows down the movement. |
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ET 发帖数: 10701 | 44 tiger woods的drill 我seriously来采用每一个,很有很有帮助。
比如他在最新一期golf digest上的think the right forearm hitting the ball
during the downswing.
还有就是think the club face paralle to the forearm during the backswing for
the fairway wood and driver,
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t*****n 发帖数: 467 | 45 man, Wish I could hit that far. I hit my 6 iron only 150-160. try to develop
some lag during the downswing. Any tips?
I
battle
the
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ET 发帖数: 10701 | 46 unconventional..
His backswing is unconventional, but his downswing is as perfect as anybody
else.. |
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ET 发帖数: 10701 | 47 i like Luke's swing. there are several one-plane players, including Tiger
woods. He changed his swing for 2-plane for some reason (most consistent as
he claims). but i don't buy it. In my opinon, he is back to his one-plane
swing.
I want to remind, focus on the attach angle of downswing. it's the key!! one
-plane, two-plane work for all players. there is the one thing in common.
club shaft is "DROP", club head attacks ball from inside. the swing motion
is like "pull" , not "push".
however, it's |
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d***f 发帖数: 155 | 48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_6M_xZvq0
it seems the key is really to keep the wrist cocked and right arm attached
to the body till the club is parerall to the ground in the downswing.......
easy said then done... I tried to do this in my swing but even when I hit a
solid shot, from the video I took I can still see my right arm not perfectly
attached to my body..
wondering why it is so difficult to make this movement... I am guessing
flexibility..
but at least it's important to know what is |
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ET 发帖数: 10701 | 49 i think u've got the point. flexibility. Ben Hogan's flexibility is
unbelieveable as shown in this video..
golf swing is from groud up. for sure the sequence of downswing is hip->
shoulder ->arm ->wrist.
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