s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 2 bobo, it is just the variance.
I get a lot of swings recently. At least two -1k downswing, one -2k
downswing.
As I post before, only 200 games of 35$ level, I lost -2k.
Yesterday, I am shy to have kk, qq, jj, they repop me with ace crap, every
time they win. a ton of bubbles.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 至少见识了40次严重BS，这有点过分啊
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 3 yeah, you have 160 games, down 800 bucks.
still ok, -5$ per game.
I have -10$ per game session.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 至少见识了40次严重BS，这有点过分啊
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 see.
have -1400 buck day and -800 day in one week
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 至少见识了40次严重BS，这有点过分啊
| s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 5 wuwu, me 2!
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: bobo, it is just the variance.
: I get a lot of swings recently. At least two -1k downswing, one -2k
: downswing.
: As I post before, only 200 games of 35$ level, I lost -2k.
: Yesterday, I am shy to have kk, qq, jj, they repop me with ace crap, every
: time they win. a ton of bubbles.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 no, this is a BIG tilting leak, if we could not stop at half loss point.
i know, it sucks to stop and go to bed with $XXX loss (and maybe x% due to
bad beats), but it's a very important skill outside the game or cards.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 至少见识了40次严重BS，这有点过分啊
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 so this is the game that is considered "not tilting"? ^_^ | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 unfortunately it is, lol, even great and super lucky players like isildur1
could get wiped out in one night, let alone us.
does brian dastings really have a markable edge? no, even he got 20K hands
history from brian townsend.
or did isildur1 get soooooo "unlucky" that night? no.
then what else?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: so this is the game that is considered "not tilting"? ^_^
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 9 in a way, chris Ferguson is a much better player than isilder1.
isilder1 is just a telented poker player who has no idea of bank roll
management and tilt control . those player are nicle and dimes. A lot of
player put too much weight on how to outplay opponents and overlook the
important factor of these fundamental aspects.
chris Ferguson is really good at this. I still get over the factor that he
won one hand in this year's million dollar cash game and immediately walk
away, hit and run with 100k profit , consider he is the founder of ftp and
has mega money.
on the other hand , isildur played ivey , durr, antonios at the same time
and lost all his money to brant hastings in one day. who is the better
player?
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: unfortunately it is, lol, even great and super lucky players like isildur1
: could get wiped out in one night, let alone us.
: does brian dastings really have a markable edge? no, even he got 20K hands
: history from brian townsend.
: or did isildur1 get soooooo "unlucky" that night? no.
: then what else?
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 all these "hot" shining stars like durrrr or isildur1 will all be gone in 5
or 10 years, unless they can become chris or doyle, who invest their money
in other businesses and play poker only for fun.
he
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: in a way, chris Ferguson is a much better player than isilder1.
: isilder1 is just a telented poker player who has no idea of bank roll
: management and tilt control . those player are nicle and dimes. A lot of
: player put too much weight on how to outplay opponents and overlook the
: important factor of these fundamental aspects.
: chris Ferguson is really good at this. I still get over the factor that he
: won one hand in this year's million dollar cash game and immediately walk
: away, hit and run with 100k profit , consider he is the founder of ftp and
: has mega money.
: on the other hand , isildur played ivey , durr, antonios at the same time
| | | s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 11 as I say at another post, it is SICK. When 4/5 left and top 3 get $, the BB
is close to 80 or 100 and each only has 400ish chips. The folding equity is
so huge. YOu can shove any two cards. For that reason, you can call with Ax
and K8+ also. That turns it much to roll a dice.
Lucky I won the first one out of three. I stop and play RUSH PLO. That goes
easier.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 至少见识了40次严重BS，这有点过分啊
| s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 12 是的，如果连着输55-45,60-40的flip coin那也是很无奈的
但是如果因为怕输不push/call那更惨
还有一种在这种可能性比如讲chip leader push 80% on SB，你在BB，你call
AT, 然后翻开来对手是AK,撞到对方的top range，如果连着这么搞，也是很无奈的
所以，只要红线(EV)还可以接受，那基本就没有太大的问题，怕就是越打越紧
被人steal惨了，那红线就会往下掉很惨
BB
is
Ax
goes
【在 s*********k 的大作中提到】
: as I say at another post, it is SICK. When 4/5 left and top 3 get $, the BB
: is close to 80 or 100 and each only has 400ish chips. The folding equity is
: so huge. YOu can shove any two cards. For that reason, you can call with Ax
: and K8+ also. That turns it much to roll a dice.
: Lucky I won the first one out of three. I stop and play RUSH PLO. That goes
: easier.
| c****1
发帖数: 457 | 13 depends how you decide "good" players.
In terms of managing money, chis is better. but durrr and isilder1 have
bring so much novelties to the poker world. They advanced the poker theory.
Poker can't develop so rapidly without them.
he
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: in a way, chris Ferguson is a much better player than isilder1.
: isilder1 is just a telented poker player who has no idea of bank roll
: management and tilt control . those player are nicle and dimes. A lot of
: player put too much weight on how to outplay opponents and overlook the
: important factor of these fundamental aspects.
: chris Ferguson is really good at this. I still get over the factor that he
: won one hand in this year's million dollar cash game and immediately walk
: away, hit and run with 100k profit , consider he is the founder of ftp and
: has mega money.
: on the other hand , isildur played ivey , durr, antonios at the same time
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 14 Right. The quest is what is the best shove/calling range?!
Say, you at BB w/ 500 chips with JKs (4 left and top 3 get $).
SB with 500 chips also and shove? Are you to call?
If you do ICM calculation, you calling range need be AJo+/99+
(I guess, SHould be close). But can you wait for AJo+/99+.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 是的，如果连着输55-45,60-40的flip coin那也是很无奈的
: 但是如果因为怕输不push/call那更惨
: 还有一种在这种可能性比如讲chip leader push 80% on SB，你在BB，你call
: AT, 然后翻开来对手是AK,撞到对方的top range，如果连着这么搞，也是很无奈的
: 所以，只要红线(EV)还可以接受，那基本就没有太大的问题，怕就是越打越紧
: 被人steal惨了，那红线就会往下掉很惨
:
: BB
: is
: Ax
| s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 15 正常情况下会估算ICM
但是太复杂了，没有程序很难算得准确啊
如果是6-man的bubble，我会call，因为6-man的BF好像是直有1.4，FR的BF是1.8
差很多
【在 s*********k 的大作中提到】
: Right. The quest is what is the best shove/calling range?!
: Say, you at BB w/ 500 chips with JKs (4 left and top 3 get $).
: SB with 500 chips also and shove? Are you to call?
: If you do ICM calculation, you calling range need be AJo+/99+
: (I guess, SHould be close). But can you wait for AJo+/99+.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 16
losing tons of 55-45, or 40/60 are very normal. I just got a super
tilt on ss 2 days ago playing HUSNG (lost 8 in a row), most resulting from
losing these 40/60 , most time I am in 60 side, or even 7:3 or 3:1 sometime
. Just be used to it.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 是的，如果连着输55-45,60-40的flip coin那也是很无奈的
: 但是如果因为怕输不push/call那更惨
: 还有一种在这种可能性比如讲chip leader push 80% on SB，你在BB，你call
: AT, 然后翻开来对手是AK,撞到对方的top range，如果连着这么搞，也是很无奈的
: 所以，只要红线(EV)还可以接受，那基本就没有太大的问题，怕就是越打越紧
: 被人steal惨了，那红线就会往下掉很惨
:
: BB
: is
: Ax
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 17 Suggest a Book called Element of Poker. Phil Golfond recommends this book
in his blog, the aurthor is Phil G's life coach. It talks a lot about
quiting, managing tilt etc. He said most long term winning players are good
"quiter".
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: no, this is a BIG tilting leak, if we could not stop at half loss point.
: i know, it sucks to stop and go to bed with $XXX loss (and maybe x% due to
: bad beats), but it's a very important skill outside the game or cards.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 18 losing session:
1. losing flips
2. BVB, SB shoves atc to you, you call, and losing
BVB, you(SB) shove atc on BB, get called a lot, and losing
3. HU: always second
4. on the bubble: your KK runs into AA, AJs runs into AK Cooler
5. Encounter ppl who do not understand ICM. You push j3o on the bubble, he
calls with jto with 2nd chip stack
6. SPEW: losing entire stack as the chip leader(stack size ratio: 2: 1: 0.8)
in 2 hands
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 是的，如果连着输55-45,60-40的flip coin那也是很无奈的
: 但是如果因为怕输不push/call那更惨
: 还有一种在这种可能性比如讲chip leader push 80% on SB，你在BB，你call
: AT, 然后翻开来对手是AK,撞到对方的top range，如果连着这么搞，也是很无奈的
: 所以，只要红线(EV)还可以接受，那基本就没有太大的问题，怕就是越打越紧
: 被人steal惨了，那红线就会往下掉很惨
:
: BB
: is
: Ax
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 19 yesterday, I have two legendary SNG.
with 50 chips stays on 50/100 level for 3+ rounds.
But I wonder if the chip leader is huge fish, or cheating. He has all the
chips. Chip leader is SB(1600+ chips, put 50 chips into the pot already), BB
is shorty(70 chips), blinds level 50/100, chip leader folds.
On 60/120 level, I(BB) have 200 chips, SB has 80 chips, the same chip leader ships, I have to fold. (Chip leader is either too good or too bad.)
WTF.
After that bubble, the guy who finished second found me on other table, and
said "legendary, and do not bubble, buddy"
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: wuwu, me 2!
| L****n
发帖数: 490 | 20
BB
leader ships, I have to fold. (Chip leader is either too good or too bad.)
and
I think it's an advanced play. But a lot of people know it. Keep the
shortest stack alive and steal from 2nd chip stack. FCF told me about during
the AC trip and I saw it somewhere online as well. Even though i am not
really a SNG player.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: yesterday, I have two legendary SNG.
: with 50 chips stays on 50/100 level for 3+ rounds.
: But I wonder if the chip leader is huge fish, or cheating. He has all the
: chips. Chip leader is SB(1600+ chips, put 50 chips into the pot already), BB
: is shorty(70 chips), blinds level 50/100, chip leader folds.
: On 60/120 level, I(BB) have 200 chips, SB has 80 chips, the same chip leader ships, I have to fold. (Chip leader is either too good or too bad.)
: WTF.
: After that bubble, the guy who finished second found me on other table, and
: said "legendary, and do not bubble, buddy"
| | | s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 21 no, I think the scenario is
1600+ 70 50
70 post BB all in
1600+ fold to 70
yjj is the poor 50 guy
during
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
:
: BB
: leader ships, I have to fold. (Chip leader is either too good or too bad.)
: and
: I think it's an advanced play. But a lot of people know it. Keep the
: shortest stack alive and steal from 2nd chip stack. FCF told me about during
: the AC trip and I saw it somewhere online as well. Even though i am not
: really a SNG player.
| L****n
发帖数: 490 | 22 why would yjj fold if he has 50 chips? | s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 23 hope 70 busto before him, I guess
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: why would yjj fold if he has 50 chips?
| L****n
发帖数: 490 | 24 " On 60/120 level, I(BB) have 200 chips, SB has 80 chips, the same chip
leader ships, I have to fold. " | L****n
发帖数: 490 | 25 This is a brilliant move. Yjj has to fold here, unless yjj has monster hands
. After yjj fold, SB has 80, yjj has 80 left. Big stack can't possible lose. |
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