u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 1 flat or not, it only matters when it comes down in down swing. more up
right
golfer has to flatten it after backswing.
I like Ben's transition from backswing to downswing the most. Tiger's
transition is not as smooth and hard to copy.
Another thing is he played his best golf at age 41. I'd love to see if
Tiger
can maintain his swing 10 years later..
and
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taking |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 2 I have some different thought.
I don't know if Garcia have ever changed his swing. He is a typical two-
swing planer. Also he only has one instructor of his lifetime - his father.
I don't think "Tiger used to be very upright". there is only one guy I say
his back swing is very upright - Jim Furyk. But his downswing is a perfect
45 degree.
When Tiger was young, it's true his swing plane is upright which lead to the
cross-line at the top of his backswing. He deosn't like it, so he changed
it to f |
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u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 3 I think he meant the way how Sergio closes the club face and traps the ball
in downswing is just like what Ben did.
swing |
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发帖数: 10701 | 4 1. driver swing, taken on last Saturday, Oct. 6th, 2007.
..................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZI3e6fNhC0
comment: made some progress, but still away from my expectation, even I can
hit ball straight and stay on the fairway most of the time. have not had my
swing taken for several monthes. This one helped me know where I should work
on, besides the short game.
the part I don't like the most is about how to initiate the downswing..
apparently, i started from moving my arms on the top |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 5 hehe.. good luck, man.
it reminds me how I tried to hit solid shot in summer, 2005. I focus on that
part too.
golf swing is.. just like an endless loop, back and forth, back and forth...
I tried to work on my swing plane and downswing initiating today. Suddently,
the feel I had days ago disappeared. I miss-hit many balls. It was rare
for my past months pratice. and I was able to quickly pick it up once I made
some adjustment, but seems it's not this time.
One thing I know, I made some progress a |
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u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 6 hip
iron must be higher
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a******n
发帖数: 202 | 7 Thanks. You start to rotate or slide your hip?
How about more info about iron must be higher? Sorry I have no clue. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 9 for the 2nd question, definitely i want to finish high. that driver swing
might not show my true swing 'coz i was frustruated by my iron shot before I
took the driver. (it's also what I said, my driver swing is a little bit
different from my iron's).
finish high,it's one of important indication for a better swing..
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 10 really hard to comment those two sites for me now. I guess I still need to
hit better score to prove what i said will be useful tho..
I worked with my previous instructor for one and half year. He didn't teach
me too much technique at all. Basically, it just ends up with several things
, several really simple things /concepts. the hardest part is just to
persuade myself to trust what he said.
so I follow his instruction, it turns to work very well for me. believe or
not, i am so confidence on my |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 11 http://youtube.com/watch?v=HrpTb_looYM
check out this guy's swing, Luke Donald. his ball finish position..
also i took the suggestion from my instructor. he recommends a high finish
position very much. |
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Y**e
发帖数: 199 | 12 While back-swing, Luke Donald's hip just slightly turned. Is it true for
most of pros? |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 13 right..like I said before, shoulder - 90 degree, hip - 30 degree, knees- 15
degree.
check Tiger wood's swing motion, his hip is almost still. However, you gotta
have an unbelieveable flexiblity to do that. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 14 also.. the right shoulder part.. I would agree the shoulder is supposed to
turn around the spine. don't try to drop the right shoulder to think a solid
contact. it's not a right thought (it's one of issue my instructor pointed
out for me).
the drop of right shoulder in the downswing will cause the speed loss of
golf head, also easily hit fat..
Man,
spine angle... No matter how bat it is, I just want to share with you guys
and hear your
't
more |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 15 Thanks ET for your comments. I have been working on my takeway since you
left. Yes, It still looks like take to the insider a little bit quicker. As
for the right shoulder part, well, I would agree shoulder should turn around
the spine, But it seems that I lost my spine angle during the downswing, so
my shoulder line become flatter cause the tendency to swing from outside-in
. I just hope by dropping my right shoulder a little could help me to
maintain the spine angle or I should think maintain |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 16 文章出现在2008年第一期golf digest上，
http://www.golfdigest.com/magazine/2008/01/tigersecrets
看了让我唏嘘不已，文中对Tiger Woods golf swing的描述和我现在理解的非常相似，
比如taller stance, upright swing plane, swing in front of the body, 同时，对
Tiger woods在去年各个时期swing的变化的描述和我当时的感觉也相当接近， 比如，
提到的他squat too much, weight on the behind foot after the downswing......
Haney讲的不少我也很赞同，比如golf swing is a feel. 不仅是full swing, 还有
putting stroke. Butch Harman对Adam Scott的推球技术也说过Adam太依赖technical
了，他该有更多的feel在里面。
另外就是练习的效率。说Tiger在本赛季后半程再也没在比赛后去练习场，然后他赢 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 17 昨天和今天的2轮里，开始改变挥杆的节奏，基本上是backswing节奏不变，downswing
加速。
效果不是一般的明显。 今天在另外一个7000码的球场上，有微风， 天气预报说是10
mph， 在顶风时也有280码以上的距离，几个顺风的全在300码左右，2个downwind,
downhill的还有360嘛左右的距离，使得450码的par 4 也变成 driver + wedge.
特别是今天下午这轮，非常非常solid的ball ——striking， 4个par 5, 最短是510嘛
，但是顶风和huge elevated green， driver+3 woods和基本上能达到。
有一个560码的par 5, 顺分，开球后又240码到果岭，我打出最solid的fairwood，结果
是近2码短了，球落水里
现在在换我fairway woods的shaft， 换好后，我希望我的各个球杆，特别是woods &
driver,分配会更平衡了。
driver, 9 degree, aldiva stiff mid kick shaft, 65g, 280.
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w*********k
发帖数: 50 | 18 ET,
During the downswing I could not go through the path of taking away as
supposed.
Any drills to fix it?
The more I went to the range, the worse I felt on the course. The little
ball is driving me nuts.
Thanks |
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发帖数: 10701 | 19 u care my personal experience , or I share what I knew?
basically, there are several different understanding about this issue, as u'
ve know. one swing-plane or two swing-plane.
i guess u like the one swing plane more than the 2. i also guess
if you hit the ball using the swing plane of take-away, u'll feel u are
gonna slice it.. or u feel ur club face is gonna be open at the contact. so
u change ur downswing plane to be a better position you feel ur club face
should be square position.
so, the |
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z***u
发帖数: 115 | 20 good swing, some of my opinions:
1. lower body too active. notice your take-away is even initiated by hip
turn(3 and 8 iron back view), it will make your upswing way too inside.
better start it by arm/shoulder turn and keep your lower body as quiet as
possible.
2. spine angle not very consistent during the whole swing. of course it's
quite hard for most golfers.
3. during downswing, you uncock your wrist too early. this will
significantly affect your distance. my suggestion is to slow down your |
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发帖数: 568 | 21 仔细想了一下，应该是想两位说的，是forearm的移动。
btw：我现在击出的球有两个问题，
一个是非常高，见高不见远；
另外一个是外偏，原来是外弧线球，现在没有弧线了，就是往瞄准方向30度角走。
自己也不是太清楚是什么问题，
一种可能是转腰不够，
另外一种可能是有一点chopping的习惯，前手外翻的厉害。
不知道高手能不能给指点一下，
换种说法就是我现在用7iron 9iron打出来的球都跟pitching的感觉差不多，
不知道应该怎么纠正一下。
result
shoulder turn
arms and
point
forearm, it will make more sense. But, whether we need to conscious rotate
forearm during downswing, it's still debatable. I guess that's relate to how
you release your clubs. Maybe last month's golf digest discussed about
three types |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 22 forearm rotation is a wrong concept for me at all. I pointed it out months
ago.
btw, there are several terms I hate a lot, which is so much misleading, in
my point of view.
one is the wrist/forearm rotation, another is the muscle memory. muscle
memory sounds more like a joke for me.
result
shoulder turn
arms and
point
forearm, it will make more sense. But, whether we need to conscious rotate
forearm during downswing, it's still debatable. I guess that's relate to how
you release your clubs. May |
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j*****j
发帖数: 290 | 23 Good swing!
感觉有一点凝重。downswing 可以再快一点，另外，重心移动似乎多了一些（follow
through 的时候），不对请包涵！ |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 24 watched my swing I just posted. if just talking about the distance, pay
attention to:
1) watch my hip rotation when doing the downswing. you'll see an obviously "
rotation" movement.
2) make a 'full' shoulder turn - full shoulder turn is like load the bullet
.. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 25 After almost one-year lay-off from the swing mechanic, I go back to look
some swing videos..
since Ben Hogan's swing is the best at all time. I paid another attention on
it..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fsl7aozegEM&feature=related
like this one.. basically, I am doing the same in terms of the backswing.
but I changed the swing plane in the top which makes my downswing plane
deeper (upright). I don't like my current swing which is different from what
I had one month ago..
i don't like Ben's either |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 26 这我完全同意， 挥杆的确是很个人的事，很难用些机械的东西来判断好坏。
这也是从去年开始起，我更强调＂基本功＂和＂感觉＂这２样，还有就是＂commitment
＂ ＆ ＂concentration＂ － 尽管这２个都可以归类到感觉里。
Seigo的身体的确太紧张，至少看起来是，要么就是他一般衣服穿得太紧的缘故。我不
知道他是如何能成为个最好的shot－maker的，他的backswing 到downswing和大多人的
动作似乎是正好相反。 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 27 http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Z_F0svhA7w&feature=related
like this one I refer to.. his downswing , is like "sweeping the ball" for
me, which is good by a lot of sense. but I do like his backswing.. i wish I
could have a solid backswing like that.
sweeping concept is one of most important concept for long irons, fairway
woods and driver, as I know.
commitment |
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发帖数: 2735 | 28 I donot link Sergio Garcia the person, but I like his swing very much.
he hits down on every shot, iron or driver, and he has a very smooth
transition from backswing to downswing.
If Sergio and Anthony both get hot in British Open, it will be a lot fun to
watch.
commitment
我也 |
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p******g
发帖数: 321 | 29 I have the same problem from time to time. I felt that it is due to losing
balance during the downswing, resulting from casting the arms and
insufficient turning of the body. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 30 基本上是这个道理。近乎所有的运动，腰都是关键。
golf swing starts from ground up..downswing starts from rotating the hip.
hip rotates, golf shaft naturally drops down. 即使看起来依然是golf shaft在动
，但很大程度上，golf shaft是被动。
每个人爆发力的大小好坏，也就是这一刹那，腰（臀）从静止到转动这个过程中产生的
能量大小。 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 31 记住这个动作是“转动臀部”， 而不是“讲臀部做朝向目标方向的平移”。
在我贴的那位Joe的video里，我不喜欢的他的动作就是他在downswing时做left
lateral movement。这种移动在球的位置不好时也特容易发生，球飞出的轨迹一般是低
于正常，还有就是在飞行末端的slice。 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 32 his swing plane is exactly what I am looking forward to.. I have the
downswing plane, not the backswing..
his hands finish is a bit weird for me.. I don't know how that comes out. |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 33 Well, Here is my understanding of swing plane.
No matter how you backswing looks like, in downswing, you want to attack the
ball from a shallow (flat) plane.
As for the backswing, of course you have two choice, flat or steep.
If you backswing is too flat, e.g. parallel or flatter than your shoulder
plane, one main reason for that is you probably take your club to inside
too early in your takeaway. If you have a flat backswing plane, most likely
, you will end up with your arms way behind your |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 34 这首先是个系统，比如最初这个swing video里的swing plane， 无论backswing and
downswing; 用ben hogan的动作，我觉得我说的trick一点不起作用；
第2是球杆如何离开球做back swing 的,我希望球杆就这样回到球的位置，一点没
forarm/wrist的rotation， 这个可能也是against the instinct.
接下来才是trick， 比如说pull这个动作，和sweep球underneath （从球下扫过球，就
如扫地般）一个意思（对我）， 而不是hit the ball or strike the ball, 还有就是
注意力要在前手臂上，因为那是唯一一个你能控制球杆面去square的club face的地方。
所以，如果只说这2个tricks, 可能一点帮助也没有，而且我教练教的，更有些old
school的概念， 但我认为是consistent击球的精华。
我对那些老将，比如rocco meidate, 上周的冠军perry什么的动作欣赏更多，我最希望
我的动作就是看起来象个老头的动作(就节奏和完成动作而 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 35 the reason I like this video is...
I talked many times in the past that I don't like my takeaway part. My
takeaway lets the club head go too side of my hands which lead a way flat
swing plane (well, for me. ). then I change my swing plane at the top of my
backswing to have the right downswing plane (still, for me. ). I don't like
the swing plane transition at the top , not only it doesn't look good, but
also I guess I have to rely on the adjustment a lot. on the other hand, for
my driver, even I |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 36 ６月开始，觉得自己击球的质量开始在下降，没太当回事。６月底拍了组照片和录像，
觉得backswing的动作很难看。
其实那动作早在那里，我以为我已经改了，没拍过video去检查。 ６月到７月间，开始
在午饭时间和下班后去练习场改动作。主要改：
１）hinge wrist during takeaway
２）grip － from strong to neutral
正是因为每天中午在１００度的太阳下晒一个多小时全身大汗再回到办公室７３度周而
复始的身体考验，致使我这３个星期每天流鼻梯和打砰涕。我怀疑我同事们都要抓狂了
。
总之，近１个月的练习，再加上晚上很多的研究，再加上＄８００球具的更新，在我已
经开始考虑放弃这项运动考虑一项发展新的爱好时， 事情出现了转机。
修改动作是个痛苦的过程，改点旧习惯总是很痛苦。挥杆动作就那么一下，是个系统，
一定要把它拆成几片同时还要组合它让她工作自然不容易。我每早醒来左手手指都在发
酸，我琢摸着是不是睡觉都在握杆。
因为现在所用球杆的原因，致使任何接触不好的击球，对手腕的作用力都很大。同时，
由于着急的缘故致使节奏变化，downswing做得太快对左膝 |
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发帖数: 10701 | 38 i watched a bit, he played so solid 4-round golf. And his iron shot is
amazing.
Poor Phil, Bogeyed 3 of last 5 holes, 2 shot behind the leader.
I still recommended several players' swing which are pretty similar for me.
Stuart Appleby, Lee Westwood, and Phil.
Vijay's backswing, is kind similar with what I tried to improve, his club
head falls too inside of his hands. (his downswing is pretty good.. )
He talked he had his swing changed last year, trying to get used to it this
year. He said he wo |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 39 It's really not a secret, I just found the feeling about correct transition.
I used to spin out, result in out-in swing path. To start the downswing,
people always said move lower body first, some people said drop your right
shoulder, some people said drop your arm to the slot, some people said keep
your back face to target a little bit longer. some people said pump your
left hip first. I tried all of them, just couldn't sense the right feeling.
Just suddenly, I sensed it. and worked pretty wel |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 40 I am sorry to cause any confusion for using the word "secret". It's not a
secret. I just think I finally get the feeling of correct transition.
basically, i dealy my shoulder turn for a split second in transition from
backswing to downswing. |
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L****M
发帖数: 3673 | 41 在打铁杆的时候，downswing时是不是尽量让右脚不离地？
不理解为什么？
BTW: 我一年的新手，刚刚算不SLICE了。 DRIVER 210-240. 7号130-150. 多谢YOUTUBE
. 以后请各位多多指教。 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 42 don't have to. but for the beginner, focusing on the right foot on the
ground helps several things:
(1) make you have a full-body rotation to have a full back-swing, which is
epsecially important for long iron/woods/driver
(2) give you much more stable low body support so you can stay your head
behind the ball -- it's good for long iron/woods/driver as well
(3) help rotate the hip first to initate the downswing
YOUTUBE |
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v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 43 没错儿！所以距离上不去(7铁contact较好，也就是155这个样子），而且miss shot如
你所说，就是topping the ball居多，尤其是长铁杆。我逐格看了swing到顶部的样子
，就是：
1，没有足够停顿
2，过度——3度还是5度我也不知道，但是肯定是过了
3，downswing开始时候重心出问题（往前倾，左脚脚跟虚了甚至微抬）。这个我觉得和
缺乏hip rotation有关系，因为我自己慢慢做动作的时候，作出hip rotation, 左脚自
然而然就很扎实。
多谢指教。 |
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j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 44 觉得downswing的时候break wrist太早， 不过我觉得你impact以后的follow特好
我一直做不出来， 可能我不够flexible吧。
stack and tilt swing 个人觉得很难， Vankie 的swing有点内感觉。 呵呵 |
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i*********e
发帖数: 57 | 45 先夸下你， 看上去节奏很好。DownSwing 很有动感。 就说两处。
1。握杆太强了。这影响你的SWing。 你可以现在改， 也可以等等，以后改。
2。Backswing， 你应该用身体带动球杆， 而不是用手pickup 球杆太快，太急。
Just my 2 cents |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 46 多谢夸奖。至于重心转移，我认为你必须把重心移到左脚start your downswing via
hip turn。我个人愿意看到，lower body重心前移， upper body尽量保持位置不变，
只是rotation around spine。至于下移，you are right. Tiger does that. lot of
pro seems do that too. I want minimize that move,我认为我的下移在接受范围内
，呵呵。
down |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 47 我不认为你需要把重心换到左脚上去开始你的downswing.
否则这过过程很容易造成spine angle的变化，还有头部位置的变化。
下移到没什么。 有期golf digest还专门分析什么“x-factor"来说明hip (左右两端连
线）在准备时的位置，和在impact时的位置，能形成个x，自然有个hip下移的过程。
那篇文章说，x越明显，power越多。
我认为那篇文章是个crap。 它揭示了这个现象我不反对，但他要求大家去尽量的形成
这个X我认为是在误导swing.
of |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 48 我定期访问phenoix, 还不如我教你得了。哈哈。
$80太多了，不明白怎么比加州的还贵。我的前instructor，好歹在golf digest还有排
名的，$50/45 mins. 另外一个排名比他高20左右的，$60/hour.
也许钱不是太大个问题，但从选择instructor上讲，我建议找个年龄大些的，脑子相对
来说还是比较灵活的 - 从你和他交谈上来看。
还有，最重要的是，他和你1对你的交流过程中，有没有一个系统的观念，让你能感觉
到他在一个re-build你swing的过程，是system level的step by step & piece by
piece, 而不是piece by piece, here & there.
比如说，我的instructor告诉我说，他给我示范了一下，然后说：我希望你的动作，从
站着，到backswing, downswing, follow-through是这个样子的。因为你现在还不是这
个样子，所以我们一步步来改变你的动作。我基本上就是按照这个思路来学习的。
即使有些时候我打不好，我至少从脑海里能想象是个啥动作，然后来模仿；同样， |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 49 girl?
i would say, fixing your head position during the downswing is the key point
regarding how high you can launch the ball.
Take one your swing video, and look at other pros from youtube, focus on the
head position. The head gotta be solidly stay behind the ball during your
swing.. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 50 "5. Right hadn. 右手的作用就是个挂钩，在down swing过程中钩住杆，避免early
rel
ease, 然后在双手经过肚脐的时候及时地release, 以实现杆头速度对手速度的最大比
值。"
agree. pretty good teaching.
right elbow close to hip bone during the downswing.
left arm keep straight during take-away, upswing to get more arc for
acceleration.
at beginning, i focused too much on my shoulder turn, so tried to make fast
body turn, not only hard to keep balance, but also offset set club speed... |
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