p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 1 mini buy 还有啥好说的,all-in, AQ肯和你all-in pre flop你应该开心啊,flop个A有
啥了不起 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 惨淡的一月 月底结算，和去年一月一样，开门黑，总共赢利惨淡的$48.38，白忙乎了。
tournaments玩得不多，200多SNG，总利润400出头。
cash game月初在NL100失常的move up，月底最后一天(靠靠靠)在rush poker的big
downswing，损失惨重，等于基本wipe out tournaments + rakeback。
今年$15K+的目标和天朝保GDP一样严峻啊。
还好的是，2月份因为会计问题，会有比较好的开端，$400的ironman bonus将全部到帐
，一月底最后一个星期的$80多rakeback计算入2月，加上搞的2个$26 tokens，啥也没
干，已经算500多利润。
SIGH，继续。 |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 3 you have a thousand reasons to play live, i have one to play online:
with 900 hands PLO per hour (compared to 20 hands/hr PLO live), I am running
thru more hands in a day than most recreational live players in a year.
volume helps to overcome variance in a shorter period of time. yes I can
easily have a 40bi downswing in 5k hands, or I will go thru 50k hands break-
even. 50k hands B&M PLO = a pro year = 2 weeks online part-time. |
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 4 我知道这还是有不少牛人的，不过好像cash game的不多？等我beat nl50再说吧。。
我现在有40多个buyin可以move up了，winrate也还可以，5.xxbb/100.但是在nl10到
nl25的时候有一个big downswing，我准备把bankroll升到50 buyin的时候在move up了
。。 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 5 连着5天， 每天输 3+ buyin。
两个主要原因：
1。 bad beat, 这个没办法，拿到premium hand总输， 然后玩杂牌， 杂牌不来， 继
续输
2。 每次session应该控制自己的时间， 感觉累的时候应该停下来。 周六的时候玩
NL200, 两个小时由$200打到$600+， 舍不得停手， 希望把前两天输的继续赢回来，
然后就一直打， 结果$0->$400->$0 -> (-$300), 最后净亏$300刀， 雪上加霜。
结论： 下风期唯一能做的就是干点别的。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 when you are on a losing streak, one important thing is not to overplay your
over pair and top pair. Don't try to win a whole buy-in back with those
hand. you might end up losing stack after stack. Remember pot control and do the things you usually do that makes you a
winning player... |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 8 I switched to PLO as my main game since early this year. have played so far
80k hands, mostly PLO25, some PLO10 and some PLO50, most of them RUSH, with
a winrate >5bb/100. first 40k hands I maintained >10bb/100, while the last
40khands break even.
largest downswing was like 10BI in 1k hand, or 20Bi in 5k hand. it's very
common (once or twice in a week) to run 3-5 BI below EV.
PLO is a high winrate high variance, high rake game. PLO25 is essentially
NL50 in terms of $/hour, std dev in $/hr, and |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 9 sigh, I get tilted recently on sng also. Many unnecessary bubble. have a -
600bucks downswing.
few |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 10 I recently had a good run and I became very careless with my money.
Called mulitple all in on draw or TPTK. I had downswing around $500 and it
isn't even because of bad beat. All my own fault!
Geez, just write this to remind me who I am and how I should play. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 if we play good good poker consistently then we can dig ourselves out of
any downswing on the road, small or big!
"长期，还是要看长期"!!!
We don't blame bad beats.. we blame those bad river calls that cost us stacks. ^_^ |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 12 也还正常，这三个月我已经有 20 buyin 的 downswing 三次了 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 13 三十, 说明你运气太差了. 如果你还赚钱的话, 劝你象我一样把钱转出去一部分. 防止
自己 tilt 的时候把赢的钱全输回去, 甚至还输老本.
我现在就 downswing, AA, KK 拿到手, 就是烫手的山芋, 别人 turn 上 raise 我, 我
就在考虑是不是要 fold. 如果是 dry board, 还真难 fold, 因为有的人一个
overpair 也在 raise 你. 毕竟从 poker 概率上讲, 他有一个 top pair 或者一个
overpair 的几率比 set 的几率要高的多. 但在 fulltilt 上人家 flop set 就象吃饭
一样. 有时侯我基本能说出他手里的牌, 但没办法只好 pay off. 当你顺的时候, 对方
往往只有一对, 但现在我看到的全是 set. 一天不看到 7,8 set 我都觉得自己运气很
好了.
我现在钱都转出去了. 昨天忍不住又放了 30 快钱打 NL 25 的. 打了半天赚了 4 块钱
. 一副牌, QQ 碰到 AA, preflop 还没有 all-in, 对方 slow play AA, 我 flop se |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 14 不知道那位兄弟,long term 是赢是输,打了多少首牌了,bb/100是多少
他打100 or200 nl? 1bb/100+bonus 每月定量打,收入就算不错了
gus |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 15 打扑克本质上其实很boring的。
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agree，特别是你状态普通（B game），然后4 tabling grind的时候。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 正常业余玩家(一周玩几次，多桌，非天天上班型)，一年也就是100K手左右，rush多一
点。
1BB/100(1000BB)的话，其实非常有限的收入，加上bonus+rake翻一倍，200NL也就是一
年一万以内。
扑克对于绝大多数人，都是指望不上的，只是娱乐别输光了裤衩而已。
象fcf那样的太凤毛鳞角了。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 30stand posts more when he's in upswing...
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 18 I saw him playing in NL 200 a several times. He plays tight and safe and
doesn't see flop many times in a couple hands we played.
In Rush NL200, it is tough to have a down swing, losing $500 in one day is
like nothing. Especially with the hand dealing in FTP. All big hands bump
into together quite often. I guess they need to make sure they rake the
maximum amount of $3 from us so they need us to put the money in the middle
of the table every few hands. LOL. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 19 I have down swing also. Play +++ touney and run dry, nothing.
It is not my playing. Just some bad habits hop in alreayd. Play multiple
table without observing opponents, bet mechanically, hop in with marginal
hand etc. I am to quit for a while, except satellite to FTOPS (and FTOPS)
or weekend. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 There is no such thing in poker to play tight and safe except maybe wait for
AA and always all in preflop. You can't become a winner that way either.
I also think there is a misconception of how to play TAG. Playing TAG is not
wait for AA KK and go all the way after flop. Unless you put more than 1/
8th of your stack in the pot prflop already, the value of your AA KK had
changed dramatically after the flop is dealt. Playing TAG is to be
aggressive and putting lots of $$ in the pot WHEN YOU ARE |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 21 如果是业余的话,等于一年多拿1w的bonus .. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 22 NL 25 rush 一个月1k还是可以的,每天打100-200 ftp PT. 如果可以保持胜率能升到NL100. 一年就是48k.
还是不错的.. 我是说稳定的赢. 如果生不上去, 就退回来到能稳定赢的stake, 除非你就是玩个刺激... |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 23 你很厉害。。我一般就是赢得很少，然后输得很多。。一输我就戒10天半个月的。。
到NL100. 一年就是48k.
非你就是玩个刺激... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 我打得不好. 第一个月升到rushNL25 只赢了700, 不能和fryking比. had some
major mistakes in the middle of the month, lost many stacks. 不过1k以后应该
还是可以做到的... |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 25 HU can not boring(,lots of runer runers) but need more skill. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 26 oops, on the headline of mitbbs
gus |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 holy, i was wondering why so many ppl on this board, lol. |
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d******u
发帖数: 142 | 28 Poker is much less fun if you treat it like business. There are so many
other things you can do to make 10k or even 100k.
Life is short and most of time boring... so enjoy it when you can. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 If you enjoy poker more when losing, don't win then. ^_^
But if you can't win in poker, of course you can enjoy it in other ways, otherwise why 90% of player are still playing but not winning. |
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d******u
发帖数: 142 | 31 the funny part is that you actually win more once you are more relaxed
of losing ... volatility is higher though...
the biggest upside is that very rarely you will be tilt. I think it
gives you a much bigger benefit in long term.
ways, otherwise why 90% of player are still playing but not winning. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 This is a completely different issue. Of course you play better if you don't
care about losing much and less tilt. That is why the bank roll management
comes into play. If you play at a stake that alters your play because you
can't afford to lose, then lower your stake.
What I tried to say is very simple:
Can you enjoy poker more when losing than winning? No.
Can you enjoy poker while losing? probably yes for a lot of people. But for me personally, I would
quit in a heart beat if i find out th |
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d******u
发帖数: 142 | 33 I think the main difference is that I am quite neutral whether I am
winning or losing... think I am playing at a stake that is too small for
me but much more fun.
don't
management
you
But for me personally, I would |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 34 downswing.. 我看了我时间超过4小时的session 一般都是输了。。 就是说输了钱很
难打回来。。
赢钱，都是2小时左右的。。一般都是先赢然后倒腾回去点儿，然后不打了。。很少有
一直赢的。。
下午打了不到三个小时，本来赢了4个buy in 最后退的时候只赢了一个不到。。所以什
么时候继续什么时候退，是不是赢了就跑还得斟酌。。
一直输歇会儿再打倒是没什么问题。。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 35 2bb/100, surviving, had a downswing in last 2 days, sigh, a lot of room for
improvement.
take back 50NL is full of fish comment, lol. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 36 I play under roll most of the time. But I don't think we should get carried
away by bankroll management. Bankkroll management will not turn you into a
winning player, but it can protect a winning player from go broke from
downswings. It is useful if you 1) go up too fast 2) play at a level where
you can't afford to lose.
For most of us who hang around at microstake, we really have infinite bank
roll. For example, if you could afford to lose 200$ a month and you play
NL50$ and you always come |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 37 normal, only several buyins.
Cash: I lost 800bucks in one day, play 0.25/0.5 6-max.
Get tilted.
HU game: I lost 1300bucks one day by playing super turbo HU, the stupid rake on that day is around 800bucks.(also, get my 4k+ ftp points day)
Sng: play 100chips super turbo satellite sng, lost 1.2k in one hour.
If you get tilted on HU games, it is a catastrophe.
1. As you can see, even durrrr lost 5million in one month.
2. Andrew "luckychewy" Lichtenberger plays HU cash games, his entire
bankroll life |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 38 new move导致输钱，就是说这个是bad move啊，我觉得怎么打都无所谓，赢钱就行。。
最终目的... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 if you can't make your woman happy with your new move.. stop using it.. en... |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 40 我觉得T8o 3bet from bb 比T5o call oop 更合理。。
you
but
can be new moves.
, but new moves may need you to call q5o in the blinds. more marginal
situation. So, you need to play post play more effectively. It will increase
the chance to lose a pot, but this kind of new moves cannot be said as "bad
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 41 sorry, forget to mention: It should be HU matches, I play quite a lot of HU
recently.
Neither of those hands are quite near a hand to defend in fullring or even 6
max in the blinds.
increase
bad |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 42 嗯，bb有position 要多call...呵呵
我也想改打HU了，觉得6max慢了。。
HU
6 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 43 多谢fcf老师，您说的这个是NL100+ HU吧？我现在fullring都晃的厉害，决定重新从头
开始了。不到50k hand不调级别 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 44 退回到nl2从头开始，发现这世界上真是什么人都有...NL10+的想法在NL2根本没法用。
Full Tilt Poker $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
UTG+1: $0.89
UTG+2: $0.66
MP1: $1.84
MP2: $2.08
Hero (CO): $1.54
BTN: $0.70
SB: $2.01
BB: $2.01
UTG: $2.19
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with Kc Kh
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.02, MP1 raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero raises to
$0.20, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.14
Flop: ($0.45) 3s Kd 6h (2 players)
MP1 bets $1.64, Hero calls $1.34 all in
Turn: ($3.13) Qd (2 pla |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 45 you can't help asking yourself: "Am I really playing that well or Am i just getting really lucky. When is the downswing going to come
eventually?"
We have to keep improve our game to prevent it from happening but the winning streak continues. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 46 no, you shouldn't second guess yourself. you can beat this level, and may
never look back.
just getting really lucky. When is the downswing going to come
winning streak continues. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 47 You can beat this level for sure. I barely can beat 50NL, but the BB/
100hands is super low.
just getting really lucky. When is the downswing going to come
winning streak continues. |
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y**t
发帖数: 205 | 48 今天经历了一个downswing，有几手牌不太明白。
rush poker, no hud, no read。
这手牌pre flop, flop我觉的都是standard打法。如果turn是红桃3，怎么处理？ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 49 他那模特女朋友也就是看上了他钱而已，明天一个downswing可能就是别人床上的了。
Grinder" |
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