c***a
发帖数: 309 | | D*****A
发帖数: 551 | | c***a
发帖数: 309 | 3 1/2 NL cash game. Table is kinda loose. For training purpose I'm only
showing my cards to you in this post. I'll show others' cards later. Well I
think I will remember this hand in years, hehe.
Consider it is your hand.
Stack size for me: ~$380. Player A: ~$460. Player B: ~$550. Player C: ~$270.
I am in the SB and dealt pocket of 3. Player A (UTG) and B (UTG+2) limped in
and player C raised to $12. I called and so as player A & B.
Flop is Ks, 7h, 3s. I checked and so as player A. Player B bet $2 | z********i
发帖数: 3192 | | c***a
发帖数: 309 | 5 sorry i had a typo. player B won the pot.
【在 z********i 的大作中提到】
: pocket ks for player C?
| y**t
发帖数: 205 | 6 more like pocket K for A. did B made flush/str8?
【在 z********i 的大作中提到】
: pocket ks for player C?
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 7 I will fold this bottom set as you are behind at least two of these three
people. acturally, you have the postion to fold.
my guess:
KK vs 77 vs 33 and A7s. Flush won? | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 8 I dont think there is AA here. Who could have AA? if C has AA, easy fold
after flop(A and B all in). if others have AA, why not re-raise before flop.
just my guess. | c***a
发帖数: 309 | 9 so you think I should not call $100, right?
BTW player C is a LAG and is a bad player.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: I will fold this bottom set as you are behind at least two of these three
: people. acturally, you have the postion to fold.
: my guess:
: KK vs 77 vs 33 and A7s. Flush won?
| c***a
发帖数: 309 | 10 Thanks for reply. I'll show the results this afternoon. Gotta go for lunch :)
【在 y**t 的大作中提到】
: more like pocket K for A. did B made flush/str8?
| | | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 11 I woulld call 100, not all in after. you still have ~268 left. | p********a
发帖数: 6437 | | c********e
发帖数: 267 | 13 我觉得要是想CALL那100， 不如直接ALL IN， 这样也许能避免后面的人DRAW牌的all
in move. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 1) one of them must be on a flush draw;
2) no combo draws here;
3) AA and KK are out of question here.
i guess A has AsXs, and is gambling. i guess he's not check shoving with a
Kx hand;
B limp calls $12 pre, and is first to act on flop and bets $25 into a $50
pot (with potential flush draw out there), kind of interesting.
C looks like over playing Kx hand with his relatively short stack. he has a
hand with his pre-flop action. AK or KQ fits well.
as for your hand, very tough with bottom set. i'
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 NL cash game. Table is kinda loose. For training purpose I'm only
: showing my cards to you in this post. I'll show others' cards later. Well I
: think I will remember this hand in years, hehe.
: Consider it is your hand.
: Stack size for me: ~$380. Player A: ~$460. Player B: ~$550. Player C: ~$270.
: I am in the SB and dealt pocket of 3. Player A (UTG) and B (UTG+2) limped in
: and player C raised to $12. I called and so as player A & B.
: Flop is Ks, 7h, 3s. I checked and so as player A. Player B bet $2
| y**t
发帖数: 205 | 15 I never played live game.But for online game, if I have KK at UTG, I might
limp pre and check flop with top set and reraise.
a
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 1) one of them must be on a flush draw;
: 2) no combo draws here;
: 3) AA and KK are out of question here.
: i guess A has AsXs, and is gambling. i guess he's not check shoving with a
: Kx hand;
: B limp calls $12 pre, and is first to act on flop and bets $25 into a $50
: pot (with potential flush draw out there), kind of interesting.
: C looks like over playing Kx hand with his relatively short stack. he has a
: hand with his pre-flop action. AK or KQ fits well.
: as for your hand, very tough with bottom set. i'
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 16 but you probably will 3bet pre-flop too since you have kk, you don't
want 4 people to see the flop, so kk is very improbable
【在 y**t 的大作中提到】
: I never played live game.But for online game, if I have KK at UTG, I might
: limp pre and check flop with top set and reraise.
:
: a
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 well, i guess it has a few problems:
1) if you have KK at UTG, limping is not good since ppl tend to play Ax a
lot. if flop comes Axx (~28% chance), who do you do then? you might bet or
check/call one barrel, then what? no matter you/they check down or fold, you
're already paying the same or a higher price (than pre-flop raising), with
more risks and less reward involved;
2) even no ace on the flop, you still only have an over pair, limping would
"invite" a lot of other hands like 8s9s, 77, TJo
【在 y**t 的大作中提到】
: I never played live game.But for online game, if I have KK at UTG, I might
: limp pre and check flop with top set and reraise.
:
: a
| c***a
发帖数: 309 | 18 Thank you very much for all the discussion.
Here are the cards:
Player A: 77
Player B: KK
Player C: AK
Turn and River are blank.
What I think I did wrong: Call the all-in bet. I did stall a long time to
make the call and my gut feeling is to fold. However, there was already ~$
1300 in the pot in front of my set of 3. I eventually made the call. If you
ask me how I'm gonna do next time, I may fold. But, I really don't know.
What I don't understand: Player B's limp in with KK and the follow-up cal | z********i
发帖数: 3192 | | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 20 position killed you (sandwiched). definitely set over set here. B probably
limped in with Ks. I guess you should still fold after the allin from A...
that's actually one problem with small pair - it could hit a smaller set...
I
270.
in
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 NL cash game. Table is kinda loose. For training purpose I'm only
: showing my cards to you in this post. I'll show others' cards later. Well I
: think I will remember this hand in years, hehe.
: Consider it is your hand.
: Stack size for me: ~$380. Player A: ~$460. Player B: ~$550. Player C: ~$270.
: I am in the SB and dealt pocket of 3. Player A (UTG) and B (UTG+2) limped in
: and player C raised to $12. I called and so as player A & B.
: Flop is Ks, 7h, 3s. I checked and so as player A. Player B bet $2
| | | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 21 agree. checking bottom set on a flush draw board is usually bad.
a
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 1) one of them must be on a flush draw;
: 2) no combo draws here;
: 3) AA and KK are out of question here.
: i guess A has AsXs, and is gambling. i guess he's not check shoving with a
: Kx hand;
: B limp calls $12 pre, and is first to act on flop and bets $25 into a $50
: pot (with potential flush draw out there), kind of interesting.
: C looks like over playing Kx hand with his relatively short stack. he has a
: hand with his pre-flop action. AK or KQ fits well.
: as for your hand, very tough with bottom set. i'
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 22 people sometimes do limp in then just smooth call the preflop raise with AA/
KK. actually that could be turned into a big winner, very effective.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: but you probably will 3bet pre-flop too since you have kk, you don't
: want 4 people to see the flop, so kk is very improbable
| c***a
发帖数: 309 | 23 I made the check based on my position and player C's playing style.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: agree. checking bottom set on a flush draw board is usually bad.
:
: a
| y**t
发帖数: 205 | 24 I agree with some of your comments and have some other suggestion:
well, i guess it has a few problems:
1) if you have KK at UTG, limping is not good since ppl tend to play Ax a
lot. if flop comes Axx (~28% chance), who do you do then? you might bet or
check/call one barrel, then what? no matter you/they check down or fold, you
're already paying the same or a higher price (than pre-flop raising), with
more risks and less reward involved; | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 25 I didn't put B in KK as well.
I thought:
A:77
B:As7s
C:KK
and I thought B won by flush. and my guess was
KK vs 77 vs 33 and A7s. Flush won? | y**t
发帖数: 205 | 26 Usually I will 3bet if there is action preflop. But I notice some one just
limp and call raise pre.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: but you probably will 3bet pre-flop too since you have kk, you don't
: want 4 people to see the flop, so kk is very improbable
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 27 sometimes, a palyer limps in, then someone raises, and another player (
usually SB/BB) re-raises, after that, the limper calls.
that could be a very strong signal for AA/KK too, although generally he "
should" raise again. but u know, people vary how they play a certain hand..
【在 y**t 的大作中提到】
: I never played live game.But for online game, if I have KK at UTG, I might
: limp pre and check flop with top set and reraise.
:
: a
| c***a
发帖数: 309 | 28 I would say you are partially right. If the one with AA/KK is the first to
act on pre-flop raise I would say a flat call is reasonable. But player B is
the last one to act indeed. With three caller of $12 how much confidence do
you have in terms of his KK is still good after flop? What if the flop is
AXX or XX3 or XX7 in this hand?
FYI I had another hand of AA and called the pre-flop raise because I was the
first to act on this raise. And I won big on that hand.
AA/
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: people sometimes do limp in then just smooth call the preflop raise with AA/
: KK. actually that could be turned into a big winner, very effective.
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 29 well, what you gonna do, after all, people are allowed to play whichever
hand in whatever way the want, unless you have Wukong Sun's eyes, nothing
else you can do
AA/
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: people sometimes do limp in then just smooth call the preflop raise with AA/
: KK. actually that could be turned into a big winner, very effective.
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 30 4-handed, and 3 people all-in already, bottom set no good lah
you
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: Thank you very much for all the discussion.
: Here are the cards:
: Player A: 77
: Player B: KK
: Player C: AK
: Turn and River are blank.
: What I think I did wrong: Call the all-in bet. I did stall a long time to
: make the call and my gut feeling is to fold. However, there was already ~$
: 1300 in the pot in front of my set of 3. I eventually made the call. If you
: ask me how I'm gonna do next time, I may fold. But, I really don't know.
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 true.
1) raising with KK would narrow down your opponents' hand range. we don't
want to give As8s or 66 a cheap limping chance here. if they call, we'll not
get the best info. but much better than no info. at all;
leading out on Axx flop is good, but since we got no info. pre, here we're
just doing a probe bet, we can hardly represent something strong (and yes,
we're not indeed, hehe). if somebody raises us, it might actually be better
than somebody (or a few players) smooth calls;
2) if 1 holds
【在 y**t 的大作中提到】
: I agree with some of your comments and have some other suggestion:
: well, i guess it has a few problems:
: 1) if you have KK at UTG, limping is not good since ppl tend to play Ax a
: lot. if flop comes Axx (~28% chance), who do you do then? you might bet or
: check/call one barrel, then what? no matter you/they check down or fold, you
: 're already paying the same or a higher price (than pre-flop raising), with
: more risks and less reward involved;
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 32 我经常看到人家 limp in with AA, KK, and win a Big pot. 但我每次这样干, 每一
次都给 burn. Live game 的人都比较 loose, some time the flop is K 3, 5, 你认
为人家有一对 K 而已, 而人家可能手里拿个 K, 5 变成 2 pairs. 在我身上发生好多
次了.
我现在很讨厌拿 AA, KK, AK. 一般现在都是 preflop big raise, 决定 kill action,
or play against one player at most.
AA/
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: people sometimes do limp in then just smooth call the preflop raise with AA/
: KK. actually that could be turned into a big winner, very effective.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 good, my guess was close enough to reality, haha.
1) A is not check raising with a Kx hand. 77, that's a little surprise to me
though;
2) B'bet is interesting, not protecting a weak Kx hand, but building a pot
and with enough outs even somebody chases flush big;
3) standard ABC poker, with $12 AKo pre.
yeah, bottom set works best in HU situations, where your opponent has a very
narrow range, and you have a high stacking opportunity.
multi-way, just like the 99 hand i folded before when both flop
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: Thank you very much for all the discussion.
: Here are the cards:
: Player A: 77
: Player B: KK
: Player C: AK
: Turn and River are blank.
: What I think I did wrong: Call the all-in bet. I did stall a long time to
: make the call and my gut feeling is to fold. However, there was already ~$
: 1300 in the pot in front of my set of 3. I eventually made the call. If you
: ask me how I'm gonna do next time, I may fold. But, I really don't know.
| y**t
发帖数: 205 | 34 Agree all.
Limp AA/KK@UTG is optional as well as open raise with junk@UTG. Sometime I
do raise or limp/reraise with 92o etc@UTG in tourney early/middle stage.
not
better
like
of
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: true.
: 1) raising with KK would narrow down your opponents' hand range. we don't
: want to give As8s or 66 a cheap limping chance here. if they call, we'll not
: get the best info. but much better than no info. at all;
: leading out on Axx flop is good, but since we got no info. pre, here we're
: just doing a probe bet, we can hardly represent something strong (and yes,
: we're not indeed, hehe). if somebody raises us, it might actually be better
: than somebody (or a few players) smooth calls;
: 2) if 1 holds
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 35 我倒觉得在 cash game 中, small / medium pair 是最 profitable, as long as you
are not in a raise and reraise war. 我在 1/2 NL game 中, 通常会很高兴 call
$2- $15 之间的任何 raise, in multi way or deep stack situation, it is ideal.
比起令人讨厌的 AA, KK, AK, 这些 small / medium pair 属于风险低, 收益大的. 你
看到 flop 有很多 overcard, 而你没有变成 set, 又有人 bet and sb call, 你就直
接 fold 就好了,一般不会有什么遗憾, 而一但你运气好, 变成 set, 一般都能赢很多
钱, 很多时候都能 double up.
当然, 倒霉的情况就是 set over set. 如果你 flop set 不赶人的话, 人家中等的
pocket pair 可能在 turn 或者 river 变成 set, may cost you the w
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: sometimes, a palyer limps in, then someone raises, and another player (
: usually SB/BB) re-raises, after that, the limper calls.
: that could be a very strong signal for AA/KK too, although generally he "
: should" raise again. but u know, people vary how they play a certain hand..
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 36 nod, i guess any play should be in our range, just percentage wise, we can't
be too predicatable.
just like if i sense the table is giving me too much credit for previous
hands, i'll raise with craps more, and vice versa, lol.
【在 y**t 的大作中提到】
: Agree all.
: Limp AA/KK@UTG is optional as well as open raise with junk@UTG. Sometime I
: do raise or limp/reraise with 92o etc@UTG in tourney early/middle stage.
:
: not
: better
: like
: of
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 37 hehe, can feel your pain. nothing is worse than when you turn over your
cards and realize it's 1 outer.
yeah, it's very hard to come back in live cash games (due to the slowness),
if you have a such big hand loss. for online, i'm fine with it, small stakes
, multi tables, i don't have to count on big hands to make profit.
you
call
ideal.
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: 我倒觉得在 cash game 中, small / medium pair 是最 profitable, as long as you
: are not in a raise and reraise war. 我在 1/2 NL game 中, 通常会很高兴 call
: $2- $15 之间的任何 raise, in multi way or deep stack situation, it is ideal.
: 比起令人讨厌的 AA, KK, AK, 这些 small / medium pair 属于风险低, 收益大的. 你
: 看到 flop 有很多 overcard, 而你没有变成 set, 又有人 bet and sb call, 你就直
: 接 fold 就好了,一般不会有什么遗憾, 而一但你运气好, 变成 set, 一般都能赢很多
: 钱, 很多时候都能 double up.
: 当然, 倒霉的情况就是 set over set. 如果你 flop set 不赶人的话, 人家中等的
: pocket pair 可能在 turn 或者 river 变成 set, may cost you the w
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 38 Are you guys still going to AC in Dec for WSOP? I may come to meet you guys,
play some cash sessions. Please keep us informed
,
stakes
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hehe, can feel your pain. nothing is worse than when you turn over your
: cards and realize it's 1 outer.
: yeah, it's very hard to come back in live cash games (due to the slowness),
: if you have a such big hand loss. for online, i'm fine with it, small stakes
: , multi tables, i don't have to count on big hands to make profit.
:
: you
: call
: ideal.
| c***a
发帖数: 309 | 39 I saw your old post about the fold of set of 9 with the flop 9, 10, J when
two players pushed all-in. To me that was an EASY fold.
Two strong reasons to fold your set of 9: Cards and investment.
I have already invested $112 in this hand with $268 left on hand. I do agree
that I should fold all-in bet but it is a much tougher decision than yours.
As Happyness said, I was sandwiched to death on this hand.
me
very
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: good, my guess was close enough to reality, haha.
: 1) A is not check raising with a Kx hand. 77, that's a little surprise to me
: though;
: 2) B'bet is interesting, not protecting a weak Kx hand, but building a pot
: and with enough outs even somebody chases flush big;
: 3) standard ABC poker, with $12 AKo pre.
: yeah, bottom set works best in HU situations, where your opponent has a very
: narrow range, and you have a high stacking opportunity.
: multi-way, just like the 99 hand i folded before when both flop
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 40 as far as i can remember, KKRUN is still going, and i still have the room
reservation at harrahs.
i don't know if i'll play the satellite though, honestly, i'd rather take
that $500 to cash tables for a shot, xixi.
guys,
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Are you guys still going to AC in Dec for WSOP? I may come to meet you guys,
: play some cash sessions. Please keep us informed
:
: ,
: stakes
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 41 sigh, better luck for us tomorrow.
agree
yours.
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: I saw your old post about the fold of set of 9 with the flop 9, 10, J when
: two players pushed all-in. To me that was an EASY fold.
: Two strong reasons to fold your set of 9: Cards and investment.
: I have already invested $112 in this hand with $268 left on hand. I do agree
: that I should fold all-in bet but it is a much tougher decision than yours.
: As Happyness said, I was sandwiched to death on this hand.
:
: me
: very
| l******n
发帖数: 641 | 42 i didn't see anything hard there.
77 is ofcs in one of their hand, it's common action for set over set, no riv
er drama.
plus, it's already all in, where's sandwich?
agree
yours.
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: I saw your old post about the fold of set of 9 with the flop 9, 10, J when
: two players pushed all-in. To me that was an EASY fold.
: Two strong reasons to fold your set of 9: Cards and investment.
: I have already invested $112 in this hand with $268 left on hand. I do agree
: that I should fold all-in bet but it is a much tougher decision than yours.
: As Happyness said, I was sandwiched to death on this hand.
:
: me
: very
| c***a
发帖数: 309 | 43 see my post.
riv
【在 l******n 的大作中提到】
: i didn't see anything hard there.
: 77 is ofcs in one of their hand, it's common action for set over set, no riv
: er drama.
: plus, it's already all in, where's sandwich?
:
: agree
: yours.
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