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M*******c
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - 读历史揭秘加州Prop 13的真正由来
For most people, we just own one house or two. These houses are for our own
use.
We might like to upgrade it. With prop 13, housing price increases
unreasonably. Property tax might not be a little bit less. And you pay the
extra housing price and interest.
Secondly, you pay to wipe out what your neighbor owe the education system.
As I said, property tax is like education mortgage. People pay back what
they owe the system with premium and interest. With prop 13, a lot of people
did not pay the in... 阅读全帖
M**T
发帖数: 108
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - 读历史揭秘加州Prop 13的真正由来
坚决支持废除prop 13
现在有了prop 13,假定在平均税率1%的情况下,新住户实交2%老住户交0.5%, 老住户
明显沾光。作为现在在加州没有房产并且租房开支较低的,或者刚刚买进房产的,目前
不在加州,以后有可能找工作去加州的,都应该坚决支持废除prop 13.
s******n
发帖数: 793
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在其它州,有两种地税
一是property tax,这个是按地收的,很少,地比较大的房子也才一千多的税
还有一个是school tax,这个很高,一般是property tax的五六倍,象我以前住的房子
,半亩地,最后交的是七千多的school tax,一千多的property tax
然后就有两类房子,一般是普通的,两税全要交
还有一类是55+社区,只交property tax,不交school tax,然后你不能有上学的小孩
所以在哪些州,普通的人等小孩毕业后,一般都是把房子卖掉,然后搬到55+的社区住
,每个区,不管好区差区,都会有这种55+的社区,这样等你老了后,可以把房子变成
钱,然后花很少的钱买一个新房,住在相同的区不用搬太远
他们卖掉的大房子,可以让更需要的人来住,不会造成两老人住几千尺的房子浪费
房子换手多,维护也会好很多,象加州这边哪些好区里年老失修的房子很难看到
再看看prop 13下的加州, 对老人来说,如果不想搬太远,就不可能卖房子
因为他卖了买不起,买得起也交不起新房子的税,只有住在现在的房子里
造成大量年老失修的房子和一两百万的新房混在一起
我知道的有些老人... 阅读全帖
w***w
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g*******1
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来自主题: LES版 - 我为什么支持prop 8 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 Rainbow 讨论区 】
发信人: kaleege (鹇), 信区: Rainbow
标 题: 我为什么支持prop 8
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 5 17:37:04 2008), 站内
发信人: microbe (纵使相逢应不识), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 我为什么支持prop 8
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 5 16:12:18 2008), 转信
首先,先了解一下prop 8产生的过程。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
法律不是完美的,由于制定时的认知限制和疏忽,都可能有一些漏洞,所以每个法律都
有个intepretation和intention的问题。关于gay marriage是否合法,一直以来支持者
或反对者都是希望修改法律增加支持或禁止的条款。比如,domestic partnership的法
律的通过,以至于同性婚姻合法化。这些在州议会通过后都被Arnold否决了,因为
Arnold认为立
h****8
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Nov. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Jon Corzine’s risk appetite helped
destroy his firm. It also provided an object lesson for Paul
Volcker’s campaign against proprietary trading on Wall Street.
Nineteen months after former New Jersey Governor Corzine
became chairman and chief executive officer, MF Global Holdings
Ltd. yesterday filed for bankruptcy. Corzine’s decision to boost
risk-taking, including a $6.3 billion wager with the firm’s own
money on European government debt, triggered the collapse.
... 阅读全帖
s******r
发帖数: 324
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不懂的不要乱出主意,prop trading的success rate 很低的,如果去一个好的shop,还好
一些,去一个烂的prop shop 做,很可能第二年就关门了,如果一个不好的prop shop
versus goldman exotics quant, I will take goldman exotics quant any time of
the day.
a*******1
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恭喜大牛......偶是小菜鸟,在一家小的高频交易prop trading做,最近我们公司请了
个原先做market making的韩国人。我觉得主要区别在于:
那个韩国人做option market making的,好像叫什么scalping/volatility arbitrage
,trader的工作就是用一些工具fit volatility curve,好像策略是buy volatility,
sell volatility...具体就是有个volatility curve,如果有个option在curve上面就
卖,如果有个option在curve下面就卖,然后还要反向操作对应的future去hedge,但每
次还是有10 cents左右的利润,然后乘以一些系数就是赚的钱。反正买卖的时点都是很
确定的,系统自动程度很高,trader手动做的部分就是当系统漏了一些option的时候手
动去买;quant的工作就是搞模型算volatility,其实我还是不大明白quant跟trader的
工作具体有什么不同;那个韩国人是IT,他负责测试策略和遍交易系统,他们公司大概
3个quan... 阅读全帖
g********d
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来自主题: _LGBT_News版 - Obama's statement on Prop 8 trial
Dear XX,
Our day in Federal Court has finally arrived. The trial to determine if Prop
. 8 violates the U.S. Constitution’s promise of equality is underway.
President Obama's statement on this landmark civil rights case? None.
Equality California has filed a brief asking the Court to overturn Prop. 8
and restore equality. President Obama needs to do the very same thing.
Sign our petition urging President Obama to file a brief in the Prop. 8 case
in support of equality and against discrimination.
s**********n
发帖数: 2343
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来自主题: _GoldenrainClub版 - SCA5 in 2014 = prop 13 in 1978 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: saturnsaturn (土星), 信区: Military
标 题: SCA5 in 2014 = prop 13 in 1978
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Feb 21 15:31:49 2014, 美东)
我们必须起来反对SCA5。
1978年加州通过prop 13, 大多数人都是支持的,政府不能随便加房产税,多么好
的法律!
三十年后的今天,prop 13 带来了什么? 加州的房屋泡沫很容易就吹得老大。邻居一样
的房子,他交2000刀房地产税,你交1万2。房地产税收不上来,怎么办,加销售
税。加州公立中小学从全美前列,跌到五十个州的倒数三名里面。小学连个校车也养不
起!音乐体育老师全靠捐款维持!吃中饭露天,海鸥飞来飞去在头上拉屎!
个别人鼓吹SCA5多好多好,AA如何对亚裔没有影响。一派胡言。SCA5的后果就是加
州公立大学的质量急剧下降。亚裔家长出更多的钱供子女上外州的学校,上私立。
s**********n
发帖数: 2343
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来自主题: _GoldenrainClub版 - SCA5 in 2014 = prop 13 in 1978 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: saturnsaturn (土星), 信区: Military
标 题: SCA5 in 2014 = prop 13 in 1978
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Feb 21 15:31:49 2014, 美东)
我们必须起来反对SCA5。
1978年加州通过prop 13, 大多数人都是支持的,政府不能随便加房产税,多么好
的法律!
三十年后的今天,prop 13 带来了什么? 加州的房屋泡沫很容易就吹得老大。邻居一样
的房子,他交2000刀房地产税,你交1万2。房地产税收不上来,怎么办,加销售
税。加州公立中小学从全美前列,跌到五十个州的倒数三名里面。小学连个校车也养不
起!音乐体育老师全靠捐款维持!吃中饭露天,海鸥飞来飞去在头上拉屎!
个别人鼓吹SCA5多好多好,AA如何对亚裔没有影响。一派胡言。SCA5的后果就是加
州公立大学的质量急剧下降。亚裔家长出更多的钱供子女上外州的学校,上私立。
w***w
发帖数: 6301
s**********n
发帖数: 2343
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来自主题: Military版 - SCA5 in 2014 = prop 13 in 1978
我们必须起来反对SCA5。
1978年加州通过prop 13, 大多数人都是支持的,政府不能随便加房产税,多么好
的法律!
三十年后的今天,prop 13 带来了什么? 加州的房屋泡沫很容易就吹得老大。邻居一样
的房子,他交2000刀房地产税,你交1万2。房地产税收不上来,怎么办,加销售
税。加州公立中小学从全美前列,跌到五十个州的倒数三名里面。小学连个校车也养不
起!音乐体育老师全靠捐款维持!吃中饭露天,海鸥飞来飞去在头上拉屎!
个别人鼓吹SCA5多好多好,AA如何对亚裔没有影响。一派胡言。SCA5的后果就是加
州公立大学的质量急剧下降。亚裔家长出更多的钱供子女上外州的学校,上私立。
B******n
发帖数: 1920
14
【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: cellcycle (vacoule), 信区: USANews
标 题: 加州 Prop 47 使小偷小摸 到处都是。。。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 1 13:16:59 2019, 美东)
简单讲:如果偷了,抢了 小于 950 刀价值的东西,不会被 追究。。。
##############
California's Prop 47 leads to rise in shoplifting, thefts, criminal activity
across state
SAN FRANCISCO – In a lighted garage on one of San Francisco's busiest
streets, a young man in baggy trousers and messy brown hair pulled down his
pants. He had been hiding two pairs of stolen jeans with the tags still on... 阅读全帖
B******n
发帖数: 1920
15
【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: cellcycle (vacoule), 信区: USANews
标 题: 加州 Prop 47 使小偷小摸 到处都是。。。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 1 13:16:59 2019, 美东)
简单讲:如果偷了,抢了 小于 950 刀价值的东西,不会被 追究。。。
##############
California's Prop 47 leads to rise in shoplifting, thefts, criminal activity
across state
SAN FRANCISCO – In a lighted garage on one of San Francisco's busiest
streets, a young man in baggy trousers and messy brown hair pulled down his
pants. He had been hiding two pairs of stolen jeans with the tags still on... 阅读全帖
m******8
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http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/22/prop-8-supporter-tells-trial-gays-are-12-times-more-likely-to-be-paedophiles/
A supporter of Proposition 8 called as a hostile witness told a trial on gay
marriage yesterday that gays are more likely to molest children.
William Tam, whose name was one of five which appeared on Prop 8 ballot
arguments, was called as a witness by two gay couples challenging California
's marriage ban.
He was called in an effort to demonstrate that opposition to gay marriage is
m******1
发帖数: 19713
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来自主题: QueerNews版 - Prop 8 trail judge Vaughn Walker is gay zz
NOM on Reports Prop. 8 Judge Is Gay
By Advocate.com Editors
Vaughn Walker X390 (MLINKSVA FLICKR) | ADVOCATE.COM
National Organization for Marriage executive director Brian Brown has
responded to the San Francisco Chronicle’s column reporting that federal
judge Vaughn Walker, who is presiding over the Prop. 8 case, is gay,
attacking the judge not for his sexual orientation but for being biased.
A column in Sunday’s Chronicle called Walker’s sexual orientation the “
biggest open secret in the lan
m******1
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6月16日,但是还有待原告和被告双方确认。
Prop. 8 Judge Proposes Closing Argument Date
By Advocate.com Editors
Vaughn Walker X390 (MLINKSVA FLICKR) | ADVOCATE.COM
A federal judge on Wednesday proposed a June date for closing arguments in
the Prop. 8 lawsuit, three months after evidentiary testimony concluded in
the trial.
U.S. district judge Vaughn Walker (pictured) set a June 16 date for closing
arguments, but asked both sides to confer if there are any conflicts with
the proposed date.
Closing arguments had been
k*****e
发帖数: 22013
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来自主题: QueerNews版 - 我为什么支持prop 8
【 以下文字转载自 LosAngeles 讨论区 】
发信人: microbe (纵使相逢应不识), 信区: LosAngeles
标 题: 我为什么支持prop 8
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 5 17:47:50 2008), 转信
First post here...but, since the SF BM wants to ban the discussion (which is
ridiculous), here it is.
======================================
首先,先了解一下prop 8产生的过程。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
法律不是完美的,由于制定时的认知限制和疏忽,都可能有一些漏洞,所以每个法律都
有个intepretation和intention的问题。关于gay marriage是否合法,一直以来支持者
或反对者都是希望修改法律增加支持或禁止的条款。比如,domestic partnership的法
律的
e*******e
发帖数: 6165
20
来自主题: QueerNews版 - 我为什么支持prop 8
“每个时代有每个时代的局限性,也许过一百年回过头来看,我们这些prop 8的支持者
都是错误的。但是同时,过分超越时代也是错误的,否则社会就不能稳定的发展。而由
谁来做出这个决定是关键。”
如何定义什么是【过分超越时代】?到底这个步子该迈的多大算不是过分呢?
所以我们应该把这个问题交给法官,交给受过正统教育的专业人员来判断。
所以再一次强调判prop 8违宪的意义在于,多数人不可以否决少数人的权利,这是歧视
的行为。
这一次具体内容是ban same-sex marriage,所以很多人觉得想不通。类比一下当年的
排华法案,Ban华裔和白人女性通婚, 作为一名少数族裔,你愿意让90%的非华裔来决
定你的婚姻权吗?
k*****e
发帖数: 22013
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来自主题: QueerNews版 - On Prop 8, the defense isn't resting
综述两方博客的评论
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/08/09/4850559-blog-buzz-on-prop-8-the-defense-isnt-resting
Blog Buzz: On Prop 8, the defense isn't resting
Ali Weinberg writes: Both sides of the blogosphere were still reacting to an
interview between "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace and attorney Ted
Olson, who represented Republicans in 2000's Bush v. Gore case and recently
worked alongside David Boies, the Democrats' lawyer in that case, to argue
in favor of overturning California's ban
g********d
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来自主题: QueerNews版 - Whitman: I'd Defend Prop. 8
Whitman: I'd Defend Prop. 8
By Advocate.com Editors
Whitman x390 (Getty) I Advocate.com
California Republican gubernatorial nominee Meg Whitman on Friday told the
Sacramento Bee that, if elected, she would defend Proposition 8, which
prohibits marriage equality in the state, by appealing a federal judge’s
ruling that declared the proposition unconstitutional.
Judge Vaughn Walker overturned Prop. 8 on August 4, but his ruling is now
under the consideration of the ninth circuit court of appeals, w
g********d
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Posted on Advocate.com July 29, 2011 11:35:00 AM ET
Calif. Supreme Court Schedules Sept. Arguments in Prop. 8 Case
By Andrew Harmon
The California Supreme Court will hear arguments on September 6 as to
whether proponents of Proposition 8 have the legal standing to appeal Judge
Vaughn Walker’s decision striking down the ballot measure — one he issued
nearly a year ago.
In February, the state’s highest court certified a question from the U.S.
Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, where the case ... 阅读全帖
g********d
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来自主题: QueerNews版 - CA PROP 8 (ZZ)
听起来不错。
Posted on Advocate.com September 06, 2011 03:15:00 PM ET
Can Prop. 8 Backers Defend Law in Court?
By Michelle Garcia
Ted_Olson x390 (Getty) I Advocate.com
The California Supreme Court heard arguments today that could have far
reaching implications not only for same-sex marriage in California, but also
for future ballot initiatives like Proposition 8, which banned gay people
in 2008 from wedding.
The question at today's hearing is about whether a group unaffiliated with
the state governmen... 阅读全帖
D**S
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From:
Fairness and equality have won the day. During the legal challenge to Prop 8
, proponents of the measure based their arguments for preserving Proposition
8 on malicious lies and cruel stereotypes about gay, lesbian, bisexual and
transgender people.
Since then, they've been trying to keep videos of the trial secret because
they reveal ugly truths about the extremist motivations behind Proposition 8
and other anti-equality efforts that they've tried to cloak behind 'pro-
family' rhetoric – i... 阅读全帖
m******1
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来自主题: QueerNews版 - 最高法院可能不受理prop 8官司
U.S. Supreme Court delays decision on Proposition 8 appeal
On its first official day of the 2012-13 session, the U.S. Supreme Court on
Monday did not include the Proposition 8 case on the list of cases it would
or would not review.
Monday’s was the third list of cases released thus far by the Supreme Court
for this session. The justices originally scheduled the case, Hollingsworth
v. Perry, for discussion in their September 24 meeting, prompting many to
speculate that the court would announce on... 阅读全帖
K*****y
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DOMA的案子只涉及section 3, 这一部分肯定会被推翻.
Prop 8 的判决倒是有很多种可能, 但broad ruling的可能几乎为零. 庭辩之后学习了
不少评论, 我觉得最大的可能是以上诉方缺乏standing为由dismiss. 这样, 下级法院
的判决依然有效, Prop 8被推翻, 但只限于加州.
呵呵, 我今天又大嘴巴了.
a*********a
发帖数: 3656
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据我的理解,prop 13是和高州税联系的。地税少了,州里下放州税的钱给地方学去。
废了prop 13,很有可能地税会增加,如果不同时伴随州税下降的话,那州里的工会和
学去工会乐的嘴都合不拢乐。
d****a
发帖数: 2901
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来自主题: Stock版 - [FA] Prop-Trading (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 KESystem 俱乐部 】
发信人: djinwa (djinwa), 信区: KESystem
标 题: [FA] Prop-Trading
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 3 20:55:44 2010, 美东)
Goldman to Close Prop-Trading Unit
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. has decided to close its principal-strategies unit,
which does proprietary trading, in the wake of financial-overhaul
regulation passed by Congress, according to a person familiar with the
matter.
The widely expected decision follows J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.'s decision this
...
m*****e
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来自主题: LosAngeles版 - 我为什么支持prop 8
First post here...but, since the SF BM wants to ban the discussion (which is
ridiculous), here it is.
======================================
首先,先了解一下prop 8产生的过程。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
法律不是完美的,由于制定时的认知限制和疏忽,都可能有一些漏洞,所以每个法律都
有个intepretation和intention的问题。关于gay marriage是否合法,一直以来支持者
或反对者都是希望修改法律增加支持或禁止的条款。比如,domestic partnership的法
律的通过,以至于同性婚姻合法化。这些在州议会通过后都被Arnold否决了,因为
Arnold认为立法机关无权做这个决定,必须由法院或者全民投票决定。同样,2000年
prop 22的全民投票结果在婚姻法加入了定义婚姻仅限于异性之间的条款。这些行动的
前提,就是认为现
t****i
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来自主题: LosAngeles版 - [合集] Prop.8是以暴易暴的产物
☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
BigBlue (#15) 于 (Wed Nov 5 23:58:25 2008) 提到:
过去几十年来自由派的很多激进的主张,
都不是老老实实正正经经通过游说大众,
然后在议会辩论,然后投票,最后立法得以成立,
他们曾经那样做过,结果是一输再输.
美国就是一个中间偏右偏保守的社会,
他们再猴急再狂叫也没有用.
所以他们就鸡鸣狗盗一样地改用litigation for legislation的战略,
跑到一个当地法院是自由派的地盘上 (S.F., for example),
立一个“我们被歧视了,冤枉啊!”的案子,
告到三五个法官面前去。
那些法官都是终身制,没有必要向选民负责,
可以站着说话不腰疼的要“为民申冤,主持公道”, 让世界充满爱.
一纸判决书下来,就用自己的“正义感”推翻了已有的法律,
而且是要延伸到整个地区, 整个州。
这次的Prop.8就是这样.
老三说得没错, 本来这件事的确不应该要用修宪的极端手法来解决.
但是八年前的Prop.22本来就是一条普通的法律, 很正常的, 大家表
p**********g
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来自主题: LosAngeles版 - 加州 Prop 37 基因食物 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 Xiyu 俱乐部 】
发信人: pangpangzeng (胖胖), 信区: Xiyu
标 题: 加州 Prop 37 基因食物
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Nov 5 21:36:24 2012, 美东)
有投票权的同学们,赶紧投yes on prop 37。
中国,印度,日本,和很多欧洲国家都可以标记基因食物,为啥美国就不能afford呢?
S*******h
发帖数: 7021
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【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: handystud (handystud), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 11月8号加州要公投大麻合法化提案 Prop 64
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 6 19:13:47 2016, 美东)
今早听广播听来的,说是11月8号选举日加州还要投票决定是否实现大麻合法化,即
Proposition 64:投Yes的合法,投NO的反对合法化。目前全国已有四个州和DC实现大
麻合法化,加州目前只是药用大麻合法。广播里谈到的了一些重要信息:
1. 大麻合法化提案的初衷是基于:过去虽然在加州娱乐大麻不合法,但是照旧被滥用
,所以不如干脆合法化,如此一来该嗑的继续嗑药,还可以名正言顺的对销售和种植大
麻课税。(大致意思)
2. 该提案得到加州民主党和副州长纽森支持,另外还有加州大麻工业联盟。反对者包
括加州共和党,加州高速巡警联盟等。
3. 提案将学校附近禁售大麻的最短距离降至了600英尺(以前有过没通过的提案提的好
像是1000英尺)
4. 提案号称新增的税收将会拿出一部分做大麻药用研究、... 阅读全帖
p**********g
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来自主题: SanDiego版 - 加州 Prop 37 基因食物 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 Xiyu 俱乐部 】
发信人: pangpangzeng (胖胖), 信区: Xiyu
标 题: 加州 Prop 37 基因食物
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Nov 5 21:36:24 2012, 美东)
有投票权的同学们,赶紧投yes on prop 37。
中国,印度,日本,和很多欧洲国家都可以标记基因食物,为啥美国就不能afford呢?
S*******h
发帖数: 7021
35
【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: handystud (handystud), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 11月8号加州要公投大麻合法化提案 Prop 64
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 6 19:13:47 2016, 美东)
今早听广播听来的,说是11月8号选举日加州还要投票决定是否实现大麻合法化,即
Proposition 64:投Yes的合法,投NO的反对合法化。目前全国已有四个州和DC实现大
麻合法化,加州目前只是药用大麻合法。广播里谈到的了一些重要信息:
1. 大麻合法化提案的初衷是基于:过去虽然在加州娱乐大麻不合法,但是照旧被滥用
,所以不如干脆合法化,如此一来该嗑的继续嗑药,还可以名正言顺的对销售和种植大
麻课税。(大致意思)
2. 该提案得到加州民主党和副州长纽森支持,另外还有加州大麻工业联盟。反对者包
括加州共和党,加州高速巡警联盟等。
3. 提案将学校附近禁售大麻的最短距离降至了600英尺(以前有过没通过的提案提的好
像是1000英尺)
4. 提案号称新增的税收将会拿出一部分做大麻药用研究、... 阅读全帖
B******e
发帖数: 5730
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大哥不要怕难,这是赢得胜利的必经过程
天下没有掉下来的馅饼
”欲速则不达“
你们不脚踏实地,去改 marriage definition
让很多原来支持你们权益的人,反转支持 Prop 8
加州同情同性恋的比例远超过 50%
Prop 8 的通过,是你们自己搞砸的
M*****R
发帖数: 650
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Prop 13当年能通过,论据之一就是这个法案可以限制州政府花钱的习惯。
问题是政府后来靠加income tax和sales tax来增加收入。
我觉得Prop 13是限制财政收入的一个因素,但并不是deficit的根源。
B******e
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Prop 13 跟本是 unconstitutional
是多数人压榨少数人的议案
是当时的选民欺负未来新移进居民的议案
就是因为每个人多年媳妇可以熬成婆
可以欺负未来的傻蛋
大家就欣然默默的接受了
自私的群众,终究害到自己
Mag Whitman 市值2千万的房子仅按500万课 Property Tax
难怪她支持 Prop 13
真是无耻到家
g********n
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - 废除prop 13 路漫漫阿。
今天杰瑞,布朗和卖格,惠特曼辩论。惠特曼指责布朗当年反对prop 13. 布朗厚颜无
耻地吹牛说,
prop13的提案者Howard Jarvis说我make it work. 话里话外,两个候选人都是prop 13

大力支持者。
B******e
发帖数: 5730
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - 我没房,我支持prop 13
搞不清楚 Prop 13, 就来丢人现眼
Prop 13 是老居民少缴地税,欺负新居民的不公平法案
和所得税没关系
和共产更沾不上边
h*******a
发帖数: 573
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - Prop 25
Thanks for sharing the links. I will vote "YES" after reading the prop
on ballot pedia.
I actually got a useful hint from the opponent arguments, "On August 5,
2010, a Superior Court judge ruled that Prop 25 did not maintain the
2/3rds requirement to raise taxes, but the Superior Court's decision was
reversed by the California 3rd District Court of Appeals on August 9,
2010, allowing the ballot language to remain intact." It seems the 2/3
majority requirement for tax increase is for real.
I also... 阅读全帖
c*****r
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - Prop 24
California's Proposition 24 at a glance
By The Associated Press
California's Proposition 24
What it would do: Repeals legislation adopted in late 2008 and early 2009
that would allow businesses to lower their tax liability.
Support: California Teachers Association is sponsoring what it calls the "
tax fairness act" to stop corporate tax breaks from taking effect next year.
The union is concerned it will further drain state revenue and result in
less funding for schools, health care and public sa... 阅读全帖
h*******a
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - Prop 24
Of course vote "YES"! The working class would be a fool not to vote "YES".
Prop 24:
"Repeals recent legislation that would allow corporations to share tax
credits with affiliated corporations."
"Repeals recent legislation that would allow multistate businesses to use
a
sales-based income calculation, rather than a combination property-,
payroll
- and sales-based income calculation."
This measure basically will help keep local jobs, by not giving
multinational corporations more incentives to move... 阅读全帖
B******e
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - Prop 24
葡萄大哥
cisco and other big high tech companies are not losing anything.
Prop 24 is meant to repeal a tax break.
Why should they enjoy any tax breaks?
Many high tech companies are enjoying record profits, sitting on boatloads
of cash.
They are doing very well in this recession.
House prices in upper middle class areas have not come down, compared with
national average. The economy in bay area is in fact in a fine condition,
even better than the internet bubble high time.
Prop 24 will not hurt any c... 阅读全帖
f*****y
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - prop 13是不是这个Brown 任上搞的?
right. Republican Howard Jarvis was the main guy behind prop 13. JB avidly
against Prop 13. he called it
"fraud", "rip-off". But when it was passed with 65% support. He embraced it
overnight.
y****t
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - prop 13是不是这个Brown 任上搞的?
yes, you go make it happen, reverse prop 13
jb said it, all options are on the table in debate.
你Y不把prop 13给灭了,useful idiots跟你没完.

it
f*****a
发帖数: 781
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - Prop 13 和弯曲房价
He can have a recall election to raise tax + demolish Prop 13 anytime
soon. With so many black ppl + union + momo support him, its quite
possible you will see tax increase + prop 13 elimination by June
B******e
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - Prop 13 和弯曲房价
所有的专家学者都指出 prop 13
是造成加州财务困境的主要原因之一
也是极不公平的税法
但是废除 prop 13 基本上是不可能
原因很简单,每个人天生的自私及贪欲
只有硅谷华人聚集的好学区,
才会有你的 property tax 是 1万2千
而邻居同样的房子 property tax 才你的零头 2000
别的地区,房价没那么高,差距也不会太大
不会那么地不公平
现在买房的,过了几年,房价涨了,
就可以以笑着看新邻居 pay high property tax
B******e
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - Prop 13 和弯曲房价
Not necessarily.
看你怎么实施细节
1. 对退休,贫困的居民,可以给优惠,他们不至于立刻被迫卖房
2. 对房价估值过低的房子,可以提高每年估价升值的上限2%到例如10%
如此不会对居民造成太大变动及压力
3. 取消prop 13 对豪宅(例如,200万以上,尤其是 trust 拥有的房产)
和商业建筑的优惠

取消 Prop 13 的目的是修改除去不公平的部分
不是要 screw up some or the hard working middle class people

abolishing
m*******i
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应该No on Prop 30, yes on Prop 38. 两害选其轻。in case, 30过了50%, 能把38拱
过超30的话,38为law。30 is a blank check to Sacramento: the money can be
used anywhere and it is retroactive.
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