m******g
发帖数: 516 | 1 It is a big distraction for the golfers and not safe, most golfers would
call the starters if I see someone on the path. I rarely see anyone on
public golf course, but sometimes see people at twilight when there is
residency around the course, and have to yell "FORE". |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 2 http://www.scienceofrunning.com/2010/02/how-to-go-from-heel-strikingorthotics.html
How to go from heel striking/orthotics wearing to forefoot strike/ barefoot
running
Posted by Steve Magness
Should you train barefoot?
This concluding post on the barefoot vs. shoe debate will look at some of
the practical applications to all the research that we've discussed. In part
1, I questioned whether cushioning or pronation even mattered. In part 2, I
looked at the new study by Lieberman on barefoot runnin... 阅读全帖 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 3 Aspen was about 8K, and I was there fore three weeks. I guess not being to
find a flat place to run also
contributed to the slowing down of my pace.:) The flattest thing I could
find was an out-and-back trail at 3%
incline.
Mexico City is at about 7300 ft. The winner's time in the 10K race in 1968
Olympics was one minute slower
than in 1964, that's 10 seconds per mile -- even the Kenyans had to slow
down a bit (but not as much as
western runners).
I
latitude |
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d******g
发帖数: 550 | 4 asics cumulus 12. 由于鞋底比nike薄练就fore foot landing。目前跑了3个17 mi
没有问题。 |
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O****e
发帖数: 3290 | 5 看来你误解我发帖的意图了。竞走和跑步的确是两码事，但并不防碍跑步可以从竞走是
清一色的heel strike这一现象中得以启发。跑步的快慢，步频，步幅以及心肺功能人
与人之间相差很大，各人的腿部结构，腿部各个部位的肌肉强度以及core strength也
不一样，我觉得任何的一刀切，认为要么fore-，要么mid-，要么heel- strike is
perfect for everyone in any situation的看法是不可取的，至少目前还没有全面的
很有说服力的科学依据来完全肯定任何一个。
而竞走正好是一个对照的例子，因为正如你分析的，heel strike is the only way to
walk fast. 而对于跑步来讲，我们没有看到类似现象。
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T****a
发帖数: 4651 | 6 you actually have a fantastic start!
i also started with bad knees. my experience is that it's worth to convert
from heel striker to mid-foot/fore-foot striker to spare your knees. it took
me over 2 years, and now i accustomed to land on mid-foot.
along the way, you shift some stress from your knees to your foot, ankle and
calf. so be prepared that your calf may get sore and your foot/ankle may
hurt. progress slowly -add distance first, speed will catchup when you have
better endurance. cross-tr... 阅读全帖 |
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s***m
发帖数: 228 | 7 Newton的鞋适合fore foot runner，鞋跟薄，前掌有rods
如果form正确的话，会有一种rolling的感觉，似乎停不下来
如果是heel striker的话，可能会不适应
newton的鞋轻，尤其racer系列
这鞋在triathletes群体里很流行
听说鞋子的设计可以帮助人跑步的时候减少使用骑车时疲劳了的肌肉
08/09年Kona铁人冠军Crowie的代言对Newton的普及很有帮助 |
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R*****s
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forestking (life is beautiful) 于 (Tue Jun 7 14:44:49 2011, 美东) 提到:
以前是跑长跑的，不带劲。
后来发现反复冲刺体会肌肉横飞脚下有劲儿的感觉也很爽啊。
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whxhm1 (whxhm) 于 (Tue Jun 7 14:58:40 2011, 美东) 提到:
听上去是牛人，分享一下以前的训练吧。
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Rodimus (变叔- 阳光总在风雨后) 于 (Tue Jun 7 15:05:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
很多跑5K的啊， 你5K成绩多少？
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r*****p
发帖数: 531 | 9 我同意这个说法。
身体前倾是重要技术环节，fore/mid foot landing是前倾的自然结果。所有都是为把
重心放在脚下/后,即baiji置顶帖的第一条：Foot Strike Under Your Center of
Gravity |
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p***r
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NLB10 (NLB10) 于 (Thu Nov 26 16:26:00 2009, 美东) 提到:
最近看了一些关于shin splint 的文章，有几篇提到诱因之一就是“landing on the
balls of your feet while running",还有一个挺好的video里面特别提醒“Do not
only land on your balls incase calf injury".
我现在应该就是这个症状，用前脚掌着地时左小腿下部疼痛，但是如果用脚跟着地，减
小步幅，就可以减轻疼痛。我刚跑了几次就痛了，也怪我自己一上来就跑了太远，现在
已经坚持2周不跑了，今天出去跑了2圈，还是疼，走路没事就是跑的时候疼，不知道该
咋办。哪位能给些建议？
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whxhm1 (whxhm) 于 (Thu Nov 26 17:10:33 2009, 美东) 提到:
I very much doubt th... 阅读全帖 |
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p***r
发帖数: 4859 | 11 我用了一年从heel->fore->mid，过程很痛苦
until the end."
can." |
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p***r
发帖数: 4859 | 12 一家之言，欢迎批评。
我是从heel进化到fore，然后最近outbacker评论说我有点mid的感觉。这个过程大约1年
左右，heel的那个时候得了ITBS，很是痛苦了一把，然后开始改变姿势。
我自己的感觉是有这么几点比较重要。
1. 步频，步频上去了，同样的速度就只用小一些的strike，对身体冲击小。也同时要省
力很多。挺高的办法就是保持注意力，听180+bpm的音乐是一个好办法。
2. 脚一定要放松。不要故意用劲，那样反而更容易受伤。脚踝尽可能保持90度。
3. 鞋子要适当宽松，脚趾在鞋子里面也要放松，成自然状态。我去年为了模仿所谓的刨
地动作，脚趾扣在鞋子里面。不但脚不舒服，而且脚趾屡屡起水泡。
其他的还没有想好..... |
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x******9
发帖数: 1866 | 13 这个不应该是有意的，刻意做会浪费能量。跑快了，膝盖会弯的更厉害，但对视频上这
两种跑法来说，同样的速度fore foot strike后踢会更高些，原因是支撑时间短，支撑
时弹性势能损失的小，反弹力大，就像一个打足气和一个瘪足球同样高度掉下，气儿足
的弹得高。 |
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r*****p
发帖数: 531 | 14 俺觉得是她虽然改成了fore foot landing，但还是在over stride。
这个女生只变了落地一点，根本问题没有解决。 |
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wolfstar76 (天狼星) 于 (Sun Jan 1 13:25:38 2012, 美东) 提到:
我跑步的时候脚上的感觉很明显我是 forefoot landing，至少是 midfoot啊，结果唯
一磨损的居然是脚后跟外侧。
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caomuzhiren (xinran) 于 (Sun Jan 1 13:31:57 2012, 美东) 提到:
What a best show!-:)
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springland (没经验) 于 (Sun Jan 1 13:32:47 2012, 美东) 提到:
你的鞋已经磨成了这样还打算再穿几百个mile?
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p***r
发帖数: 4859 | 16 昨天看的一个文章说，统计2009年manchester city marathon， 在10K处， 有88.9%的
rearfoot, 3.4% mid, 1.8% fore (5.9% asymmetry). 到了32km处，相应数字变为：93
%， 3.5%， 0%， 3.5%。 这个统计结果和版上的感觉好像明显不同。 |
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p***r
发帖数: 4859 | 17 trail上面heel的有利还是fore的有利？ |
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x*********n
发帖数: 28013 | 18 先讲些共性：
1.这个鞋的push力很强大，感觉比asics的大部分netral更贴地，更有反弹力，更有
stable的感觉。
2.这个鞋所有的配置都是前后cushion，不像ascis很多轻便的，只有后掌cushion。
3.这个鞋普遍固定鞋底形状，突出fore strike。
4.这个鞋特别适合高速race。
几个款中差别在于，鞋子的前后落差，最大的是8，最小的是0，大部分是2-3，几款5-6.
实际穿着感觉这个鞋更轻快。对比了ascis的neo33，脚后摆以后更轻快，感觉穿上以后
不容易把速度降下来。
总结：想入一个distance，就是觉得自己太entry level，还有就是鞋子本身太贵，基
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w********6
发帖数: 1853 | 19 太感谢了. 这几天看鞋都看疯了. 现在这双300mile早过了. 只是前半段一直在跑步机
上跑,所以鞋底磨的不厉害. 上个月开始路跑, 才看出来自己的鞋其实前脚掌和脚后跟
磨的差不多, 我肯定不是fore foot strike. 基本上是midfoot strike, 最多有一点点
heel strike. |
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 20 你落地脚掌太靠前了吧
我是落地在ball和脚跟中间那个弧上。。。
fore foot landing就是对肌肉要求高的。。。
习惯 |
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x*********n
发帖数: 28013 | 21 newton说，脚尖着地是不对的。
newton说了，要fore to mid landing
昨天试着跑的时候加了一点点弯腿的动作，像小鹿一样的感觉。 |
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l***h
发帖数: 9308 | 22 为啥不能带框架眼镜？
转贴一个牛人经验谈
1. Baseball hat with a shower cap to keep the head warm.
2. Large thick black trash bag and an water bottle: just so you know, many r
unners pee into the bottle in the corral actually. It's a protocol runners d
on't look and apparently don't pick up bottles on the ground.
3. Hand warmer: this is designed for ski inside the gloves. I plan to have a
small plastic bag outside my gloves to keep my hands dry.
4. Rain coat: I have a running rain coat which I will decide if I will ... 阅读全帖 |
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fivesixseven (唧唧歪歪) 于 (Tue Aug 2 09:37:28 2011, 美东) 提到:
今早和同学一起跑步的时候，看到他有时候会脚掌完全不着地的跑----整个过程有点像
弹簧似的往前弹动的意思。出于好奇我就也试了一下，感觉虽然不习惯而且觉得脚踝有
点难受，但是很有意思，而且似乎要少费力一点就可以跑的快一些。
刚刚在网上瞎看了下，这就是所谓的forefoot running么？这样子跑会不会很伤脚踝呀
？另外对小腿的肌肉呢？跟正常的姿势交替着跑？
PS. 那个。。。其实我是希望自己小腿强壮可以长跑但是肌肉块不要太明显的。。。
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WaterBull (水牛6号) 于 (Tue Aug 2 11:34:44 2011, 美东) 提到:
This link was posted by wolfstar which I found is very helpful.
http://www.spo... 阅读全帖 |
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L*********h
发帖数: 2617 | 24 第一次穿，觉得脚感很不错，确实适合fore/mid foot striker
但是arch support好像有点过，拱起来多了点
右脚ball的靠下靠外边缘处磨了一个水泡，估计就是arch support给磨的
非常希望留下这双鞋，不过如果再跑两次还会磨出泡拿就不好办了 |
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n*****a
发帖数: 1327 | 25 You may try fat ski if you are not using it; it may make a big difference.
fat ski help you stay on top of the snow and less likly to eat into snow and
get tripped.
if you feel too bumpy, try to use your leg as human shock absorber like this
guy:
notice this guy is in a "sit back" kind of stance,which doesn't look good to
me. i would suggest a more forward stance to have better fore-aft balance
and release the stress on thigh.
start from some small bumps first or traverse mogul area to get the f |
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n*****a
发帖数: 1327 | 26 Sounds not like my learning curve.
落叶飘 for skiing needs good fore-aft balance and skiing backward. It might
be useful in steep and narrow terrain to avoid jump turn or complicated
terrain to figure out a good entry point but I won't see those terrain
without knowing p-turn anyway. |
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r********7
发帖数: 229 | 27 赞！skier滑的很优雅；尤其喜欢“pull the feet back under the body”和fore/aft
movement. |
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B*N
发帖数: 147 | 28 [from pmts forum, by HeluvaSkier (a video of his skiing: http://vimeo.com/33632516)]
===================
Man... there seems to be some confusion. Let me clear it up for everyone.
This is really simple to understand.
It is an expanded version of the following variables:
Steering = variable 's'
Edging = variable 'e'
Pressure = variable 'p'
Balance = variable 'b'
SO you have:
s + e + p + b = Skiing [See its easy, not so hard to understand, and very
straight forward...]
Let's expand this with some... 阅读全帖 |
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r********7
发帖数: 229 | 29 我自己瞎琢磨感觉下面几个问题
Release edge有问题。弯与弯之间转换不能保证平行
Fore aft movement 有问题，不是很lean forward
点仗有问题，好像动作太大了
膝盖以下分离不够
还请多指教 |
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s*******r
发帖数: 1285 | 30 roy - 是的! 你已經感覺到 release 有問題了 ... 問題的起因是後座而造成你的重
心沒有踩在雪板的中間 (0:06) ... 因為右板無法 release 所以造成你被迫抬右腳來
release 右板
是的! 你也已經感覺到 fore/aft movement 不對勁 ... 也是因為你的重心一直在後
面所以在入彎時無法向前 commit
胖海绵的建議很對! 就是要將膝蓋向前推來做flex (一般人犯的錯誤就是屁股向下坐
來做flex) |
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t**********3
发帖数: 21 | 31 新的雪季开始了，返回来看去年的视频，这几次滑雪一直在琢磨，终于明白了
snowrider说的不应该上下身起伏了， quote 下面这段话，提醒自己这个雪季就是做到
flex/extend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1l0dvGBSw4
In the traditional turn, we used to go up at the start of a turn to unweight
the skis so that we could flatten the skis, then pivot or turn them more
easily. Then we would go down, sometimes adding pressure to set to skid a
bit and set the edges. Of course, there were all variations with bend/
stretch and "carving."
Today, in a typical turn, we extend fore/ago... 阅读全帖 |
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W******t
发帖数: 398 | 32 有一个drill，我觉得对fore-aft balance很有帮助。滑行中练习蹲下再站起来。
上次女儿的朋友说这个象ice skating 的 "shoot the duck"。
其实，滑冰的动作更难，是单腿的。 |
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W******t
发帖数: 398 | 33 随便谈一下自己的体会。
JT：是最基本的drill，强调balance on outside ski. 这点是很多不同teaching
system都接受的观点。
PS：练习上下身的分离。同时练习balance on center of ski. 如果重心于靠前或后，
slip时就会骗了fall line。不可能完成这个动作。
WPT，练习balance on inside ski。这个和JT并不矛盾。转弯主要是靠outside ski，
但难免有out of balance的时候。如果练好了inside ski，就可以在困难的时候顺利完
成转弯。比如，速度很快，又非常icy的时候，单单靠outside ski可能吃不住。
ST：对转小弯有很大帮助，尤其在steep slope，狭窄的地方，就可以轻松完成hop
turn, 也不会有skis打架的问题. 这个drill也很需要准确的pole planting.
DT：对蘑菇有很大帮助，强调fore-aft balance，extension/absorption, 强调ski的
snow contact。
Turning on one ... 阅读全帖 |
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W******t
发帖数: 398 | 34 有一个drill，我觉得对fore-aft balance很有帮助。滑行中练习蹲下再站起来。
上次女儿的朋友说这个象ice skating 的 "shoot the duck"。
其实，滑冰的动作更难，是单腿的。 |
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W******t
发帖数: 398 | 35 随便谈一下自己的体会。
JT：是最基本的drill，强调balance on outside ski. 这点是很多不同teaching
system都接受的观点。
PS：练习上下身的分离。同时练习balance on center of ski. 如果重心于靠前或后，
slip时就会骗了fall line。不可能完成这个动作。
WPT，练习balance on inside ski。这个和JT并不矛盾。转弯主要是靠outside ski，
但难免有out of balance的时候。如果练好了inside ski，就可以在困难的时候顺利完
成转弯。比如，速度很快，又非常icy的时候，单单靠outside ski可能吃不住。
ST：对转小弯有很大帮助，尤其在steep slope，狭窄的地方，就可以轻松完成hop
turn, 也不会有skis打架的问题. 这个drill也很需要准确的pole planting.
DT：对蘑菇有很大帮助，强调fore-aft balance，extension/absorption, 强调ski的
snow contact。
Turning on one ... 阅读全帖 |
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l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 36 Overall this camp far exceeded my expectation. Here is the list of what I
learned/improved:
1. In terms of my overall skiing, I am a bit better after the camp. My turns
are more fluid, I have better speed control, and I have much better
awareness of many aspects of my skiing (flexion/extension, upper body
coordination through CA/CB, and fore-aft balance).
2. I know what I did well (relatively speaking). That is tipping, inside
foot management, and stance leg balance.
3. I know what I need improv... 阅读全帖 |
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l*m
发帖数: 824 | 37 你先看看别人说什么再来评论，我说得是就是换重心的时候重心要靠前，整个弯重心相
对脚底应该是一个动态的Fore/Aft(前后）外加左右的转换的Movement。对于初学者来
说，最常见的错误就是锁死在Aft（backseat）的状态而导致没法左右换刃。我给的
drill就是帮助练习这个动态过程的。
前面已经有人跟你说了，别人初学滑雪，还在groomer蓝道上拐不了弯，你跑来扯什么
粉学烂雪点仗比赛什么的，那有用吗？ |
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z*******a
发帖数: 2826 | 38 ha, better questions would be:
do i care fore the fifa rank? i don't.
do i think the number of goals the germans scored in this tournament matter
when it comes to italy? not much for me.
take it easy. if you can't accept my arguments, it's fine. you can also
disagree, which is perfect. just don't label someone so easily.
i am glad you have your own set of criteria: the fifa ranking, the number of
goals scored, but they are not the determining factors. they reflect the
history with different oppo... 阅读全帖 |
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z***i
发帖数: 9880 | 39 统计做不了test这个我们昨天就讨论了sample size确实不够。但其实真不是8次5次，要
是就看最近的6年欧洲就丢了一次。
但其实本质上以后欧洲球队夺世俱杯比之前夺丰田杯容易是个forecast问题，就是fore
cast夺冠概率是否>52%（或者说远大于52% say 60%)的问题。虽然hypothesis做不了，
但make这个forecast还是可以的吧，forecast并不一定要用hypothesis test，简单的m
oving average或者qualitative method看看现在欧洲寡头俱乐部实力做这个forecast还
是reasonble的。太多种组合会forecast下次欧洲球队夺冠概率超过52%。 |
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c******a
发帖数: 6951 | 40 binary的time series不能简单地MA。
连续出现几次正面也不能表示这不是一个random walk.
也就是说，反正用现有数据你无法证明 P<>0.5.
你是要把滚球版变成学术版么？
，要
fore
的m
forecast还 |
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s*****c
发帖数: 550 | 41 I had dizziness and water in nose problems when I started. After half year
trying different techniques and listening to multiple people, I can do it
almost perfectly. (P.S. I swim at least 20 days/month)
When you are approaching the wall with only 2 feet left, you stroke the last
time and place both arms along your body and curl up your body with chin
down, and feet up, and use fore arms to redirect to opposite direction. |
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g***e
发帖数: 577 | 42 For people who like to share the experience in playing tennis and love this
game:
several things to improve your serve
1.A nice toss: Toss is the no.1 important component of a good and consistent
serve. Toss the ball right above or just a little bit in front of your body
plane when you stand on your fore-foot. When you stand on your forefoot, if
you let your arm fully stretched and toss the ball up in the air, it will
be one arm far from your body plane ideally, and that is a little bit far
for |
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N******y
发帖数: 71 | 43 When no one is playing, I usually hit the wall for 30 min and pratice serve
for 30 min. Good workout. With the wall you can practive back/fore hand
cross and down the line. You can also practice overhead.
If there is anyone around, even weak players, I can hit with them and enjoy
killing them. I would try not to lose a single point (never realized even
against beginner), or at least not give up a game. This way you still have a
competitive match going on. I can still improve playing against them |
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 45 我记得有说法是菲菲的正手旋转在男选手中仅次于Nadal。以他的握拍方式能产生这么
强的旋转，是比较神。不过我不认为是因为用手腕，应该是用的fore-arm。 |
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a******n
发帖数: 5925 | 46 正在互破
法国人的two hand fore hand 抬高了 |
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c****h
发帖数: 590 | 47 多谢。感觉现在form还成，反应也够快，主要问题是拍子抓不住。手劲不够。这样要不
球rolling on the racket, 要不回球不深，经常set up a sitter之后被人pass. 到
gym里面看看，也不知道怎么练手劲。ｇｙｍ里面有没有什么练fore arm的器械？
有人打墙练volley的吗？ |
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z*******a
发帖数: 2826 | 48 he's got to hit the ball earlier and take chances by hitting harder fore-and
backhands.
This will win the ground stroke game. |
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m*****r
发帖数: 3822 | 49 没有压力的时候，实际上更容易打出running fore/backhand，主要是在
这种情况下swing更容易放松。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 50 How could they be the same?
Prince OZone Tour is one of the rackets I am still seeking; but this
200+ is already out of the question just by looking at the specs... hehe.
OZone tour is 7 pt HL and with O holes which reduces power. It is still
slightly more powerful than what I like, but it is fore sure still in the
players racket category. |
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