w*******s
发帖数: 1644 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: goldfishli (goldfish), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 饶毅致《自然》杂志总编的信 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Aug 4 00:25:43 2012, 美东)
发信人: ipdang (ip), 信区: Biology
标 题: 饶毅致《自然》杂志总编的信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Aug 4 00:18:14 2012, 美东)
http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-2237-598917.html
致《自然》杂志总编的信：有关叶诗文的新闻报道 精选
英文原信附后，大意如下：
斐尔,
你可能因Ewen Callaway对叶诗文的报道而被email狂炸，过去二十小时，给你
email的人里面小部分也给我来信。
如果你奇怪《自然》非本质部分一篇报道为何带来这么大的反应，你应该高兴
中文读者比世界其他读者更看重你们的新闻报道，与科学相关的（即使关系很小）也可
能重于《纽约时报》，中文媒体报道用你们的新闻也远... 阅读全帖 |
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i****g
发帖数: 3896 | 2 http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-2237-598917.html
致《自然》杂志总编的信：有关叶诗文的新闻报道 精选
英文原信附后，大意如下：
斐尔,
你可能因Ewen Callaway对叶诗文的报道而被email狂炸，过去二十小时，给你
email的人里面小部分也给我来信。
如果你奇怪《自然》非本质部分一篇报道为何带来这么大的反应，你应该高兴
中文读者比世界其他读者更看重你们的新闻报道，与科学相关的（即使关系很小）也可
能重于《纽约时报》，中文媒体报道用你们的新闻也远多于一般西方媒体用你们的新闻。
Callaway报道最好也是草率、最差是种族偏见：1)最初的副标题暗示叶可能舞
弊; 2)Callaway用了两件事实说明叶惊人地异常，而两件都错了; 3)Callaway没咨询意
见不同的专家，导致报道不平衡，低于公平报道的最低标准。所以，Callaway至少不负
责任，可能太快就暗示中国运动员容易舞弊。他肯定没有达到新闻报道的通常标准。
我很高兴看到在我草拟此信的过程中，《自然》可能意识到了原副标题... 阅读全帖 |
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b****y
发帖数: 81 | 3 strongly sp!
well done
http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-2237-598917.html
致《自然》杂志总编的信：有关叶诗文的新闻报道 精选
英文原信附后，大意如下：
斐尔,
你可能因Ewen Callaway对叶诗文的报道而被email狂炸，过去二十小时，给你
email的人里面小部分也给我来信。
如果你奇怪《自然》非本质部分一篇报道为何带来这么大的反应，你应该高兴
中文读者比世界其他读者更看重你们的新闻报道，与科学相关的（即使关系很小）也可
能重于《纽约时报》，中文媒体报道用你们的新闻也远多于一般西方媒体用你们的新闻。
Callaway报道最好也是草率、最差是种族偏见：1)最初的副标题暗示叶可能舞
弊; 2)Callaway用了两件事实说明叶惊人地异常，而两件都错了; 3)Callaway没咨询意
见不同的专家，导致报道不平衡，低于公平报道的最低标准。所以，Callaway至少不负
责任，可能太快就暗示中国运动员容易舞弊。他肯定没有达到新闻报道的通常标准。
我很高兴看到在... 阅读全帖 |
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s**********t
发帖数: 1846 | 4 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: WorldCitizen (世界公民), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 'Lifetime ban' set for Armstrong
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 24 12:12:34 2012, 美东)
(CNN) -- Famed cyclist Lance Armstrong faces the prospect of losing seven
Tour de France titles and his fabled championship legacy after he ended his
fight against charges of illegal doping.
Armstrong, who has consistently denied allegations of illegal doping, made
his announcement to stop battling the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency's "one-sided
and unfair ... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******s
发帖数: 3614 | 5 USADA to strip Lance Armstrong of 7 Tour titles
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lance-armstrong-faces-big-decision
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- With stunning swiftness, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency
said Thursday night it will strip Lance Armstrong of his unprecedented seven
Tour de France titles after he dropped his fight against drug charges that
threatened his legacy as one of the greatest cyclists of all time.
Travis Tygart, USADA's chief executive, said Armstrong would also be hit
with a lifetime ban o... 阅读全帖 |
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W**********n
发帖数: 187 | 6 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: WorldCitizen (世界公民), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 'Lifetime ban' set for Armstrong
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 24 12:12:34 2012, 美东)
(CNN) -- Famed cyclist Lance Armstrong faces the prospect of losing seven
Tour de France titles and his fabled championship legacy after he ended his
fight against charges of illegal doping.
Armstrong, who has consistently denied allegations of illegal doping, made
his announcement to stop battling the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency's "one-sided
and unfair... 阅读全帖 |
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T********r
发帖数: 6210 | 7 Why great Olympic feats raise suspicions
‘Nationality profiling’ could help to catch cheaters
The New Voice
At the Olympics, how great is too great? That question has dogged American
swimmer Michael Phelps after the 27-year-old shattered the world record of
the most decorated Olympian of on Friday. In the wake of that race, some
swimming experts wondered whether Phelps’s win was aided by performance-
enhancing drugs. He has never tested positive for a banned substance and the
International Olymp... 阅读全帖 |
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W**********n
发帖数: 187 | 8 (CNN) -- Famed cyclist Lance Armstrong faces the prospect of losing seven
Tour de France titles and his fabled championship legacy after he ended his
fight against charges of illegal doping.
Armstrong, who has consistently denied allegations of illegal doping, made
his announcement to stop battling the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency's "one-sided
and unfair process" move against him after losing a legal bid Monday to stop
the probe.
The cyclist's decision prompted the anti-doping agency to say it will s... 阅读全帖 |
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b******k
发帖数: 10 | 9 这几天经历的太多。感动、欣喜、愤怒、委屈、绝望、惊讶，只能说伦敦这些天带给我
们的真的很难一时消化。如果说以前西方世界的虚伪和霸权只是含蓄的表露，那么这次
的露骨真是令人瞠目结舌。从对叶诗文的无端诽谤到羽毛球女双事件的最后处理，以及
自行车比赛的判罚等等，无需多重复，其间西方媒体的双重标准让很多人惊诧！这里面
的是是非非讨论的已经够多，其中多次提到了“话语权”，我不禁想这“话语权”究竟
是什么？
当大家知道年仅16岁的叶诗文被无耻恶毒的指责时，相信许多生活在海外的人做过一件
事，就是默默的打开电脑，在google中输入“Ye Shiwen Doping”，无非想看看大多
数主流的西方媒体是怎么评论的，或者说心存一丝“侥幸”地渴望看到有良知的媒体出
来为这样一个单纯的小姑娘辟谣。可是，你绝望了。尽管有国际奥委会的人出来澄清事
实，大多数媒体还都是引用John Leonard的充满偏见的所谓“证据”，即使提及奥委会
药检的结果，也是不忘接连说药检并不能证实她的清白。无法不让我们中国人抓心挠肝
。这是西方媒体“聪明”的地方，他们不会在新闻中直接表达对你的否定，而是通过
“有选择地”引用，“... 阅读全帖 |
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b******k
发帖数: 10 | 10 这几天经历的太多。感动、欣喜、愤怒、委屈、绝望、惊讶，只能说伦敦这些天带给我
们的真的很难一时消化。如果说以前西方世界的虚伪和霸权只是含蓄的表露，那么这次
的露骨真是令人瞠目结舌。从对叶诗文的无端诽谤到羽毛球女双事件的最后处理，以及
自行车比赛的判罚等等，无需多重复，其间西方媒体的双重标准让很多人惊诧！这里面
的是是非非讨论的已经够多，其中多次提到了“话语权”，我不禁想这“话语权”究竟
是什么？
当大家知道年仅16岁的叶诗文被无耻恶毒的指责时，相信许多生活在海外的人做过一件
事，就是默默的打开电脑，在google中输入“Ye Shiwen Doping”，无非想看看大多
数主流的西方媒体是怎么评论的，或者说心存一丝“侥幸”地渴望看到有良知的媒体出
来为这样一个单纯的小姑娘辟谣。可是，你绝望了。尽管有国际奥委会的人出来澄清事
实，大多数媒体还都是引用John Leonard的充满偏见的所谓“证据”，即使提及奥委会
药检的结果，也是不忘接连说药检并不能证实她的清白。无法不让我们中国人抓心挠肝
。这是西方媒体“聪明”的地方，他们不会在新闻中直接表达对你的否定，而是通过
“有选择地”引用，“... 阅读全帖 |
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m*********k
发帖数: 10521 | 11 =====================================================================
=========================Nature质疑叶诗文事件========================
============================网友回复及去信===========================
发信人: sanyanghu (忍者无敌之不去股票版), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 大家继续评论nature上的那个文章，保持热度（附我的评论）
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 6 12:03:47 2012, 美东)
大家继续跟进！！
（my recent comments):
I am happy to see that Nature started to do the right thing by adding
Laijiang's comments which was intentionally deleted before for some reasons.
N... 阅读全帖 |
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p********y
发帖数: 5141 | 12 It is a bit annoying to see a ex-doper won the Olympic road race. I was keep
questioning myself whether he is clean. The difference between Millar and
Vino on dopping is similar to the attitude taken by German and Japan on WWII
. Hi Vino, doping will never be the past which you can put away.
Should doper ever be allowed to be back to pro cycling? If not, will it make
pro cycling a field which is cleaner?
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Rorschach Test
Look hard en... 阅读全帖 |
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f********1
发帖数: 228 | 13 My letter to the editors of Nature. May not be a good one. For your
reference only.
Dear Editors,
Nature has often been thought to represent one of the highest standards in
scientific publication, thanks to the collaborative works from editors,
authors and reviews in many years. With that in mind, I was both surprised
and disgusted by the recent article from Nature.com titled "Why great
Olympic feats raise suspicions" http://www.nature.com/news/why-great-olympic-feats-raise-suspicions-1.11109.... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 14 江来。
FROM LAI JIANG, Department of Chemistry, University of Pennsylvania
It is a shame to see Nature — which nearly all scientists, including myself
, regard as one of the most prestigious and influential physical-science
magazines — publish a thinly veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populace to be in touch with and appreciate science, the autho... 阅读全帖 |
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D**d
发帖数: 1186 | 15 http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/media/books/Keyes-hamilton-the-secret-race.html
Outside Online
Friday, August 31, 2012
Lance Armstrong’s Secret Is Out
The news leaks about The Secret Race have vastly undersold its importance.
Tyler Hamilton’s book is a historic, definitive indictment of cycling’s
culture of doping during the Armstrong era.
By: Christopher Keyes
Hamilton in the 2009 Amgen Tour of California Prologue. Photographer:
Richard Masoner / Cyclelicious / Flickr
Yesterda... 阅读全帖 |
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m*********o
发帖数: 7545 | 16 FROM LAI JIANG, Department of Chemistry, University of Pennsylvania
It is a shame to see Nature — which nearly all scientists, including myself
, regard as one of the most prestigious and influential physical-science
magazines — publish a thinly veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populace to be in touch with and appreciate science, the authors a... 阅读全帖 |
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a*****A
发帖数: 654 | 17 Does he know something?
http://espn.go.com/tennis/blog/_/name/bodo_peter/id/9010025/ten
There are all different kinds of "clean," and no sport covers more of the
bases in that regard than tennis.
When was the last time you read about a tennis player charged with DWI? When
was the last time a tennis player was arrested for toting a weapon more
lethal than a Babolat Aeropro Drive? When was the last time the top athletes
in another sport clamored for an improved drug-testing regimen?
Andy Murray ha... 阅读全帖 |
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m*********k
发帖数: 10521 | 18 =====================================================================
=========================Nature质疑叶诗文事件========================
==============================其他声音===============================
http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_article_t.php?board=Biology&gid=31
发信人: lummy (河马•云何), 信区: Biology
标 题: 对 Nature 还是专业些吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Aug 4 12:53:30 2012, 美东)
版上有些同学呼吁的所谓不引用 Nature 文章的反制手段，太不专业了吧。如果因为科
学以外的事件而在自己的文章中故意 bias 地评价和引用同行的工作，我觉得是有悖学
术道德的。这本身就是对在 Nature 上发文章的同行的不公平。
对 Nature 这次的问... 阅读全帖 |
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m******e
发帖数: 2515 | 19 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: mbraymle (白宫九段民工), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 佩服：人类史上世界十大兴奋剂丑闻，美国独占其六！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 31 22:15:35 2012, 美东)
世界十大兴奋剂丑闻，美国独占其六，包括世界最大丑闻制造者美国的琼斯。看来美国
的吞服兴奋剂的广度和深度不让人佩服不行啊！
The Top 10 Running Doping Scandals of All Time
By Erin Beresini
Published May. 25, 2011
Updated May. 26, 2011 at 9:40 AM UTC
1 of 4
In light of the recent news that (just about) every cyclist on the planet
has either admitted to doping or accused someone else of injecting,
ingesting or r... 阅读全帖 |
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z****n
发帖数: 5870 | 20 Lai Jiang said:
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populous to be in touch with and appreciate sciences, the authors and
editors should at least present the readers w... 阅读全帖 |
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i*****s
发帖数: 4596 | 21 2012-08-02 02:18 AM
Report this comment | #47487
Lai Jiang said:
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including
myself, regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical
science magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this.
Granted, this is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go
through the scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the
general populous to be in touch with and appreciate sciences, the auth... 阅读全帖 |
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w****a
发帖数: 2049 | 22 2012-08-03 01:08 AM
Report this comment | #48154
Jingbo Wang said:
Lai jiang's comment (#47487) has been "anomalously" deleted by online editor
. I re-post it here:
Lai Jiang said:
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking re... 阅读全帖 |
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d*e
发帖数: 843 | 23 2012-08-02 02:18 AMReport this comment | #47487
Lai Jiang said:
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populous to be in touch with and appreciate sciences, the authors a... 阅读全帖 |
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 24 Is doping a reality in tennis ?
Of course it is a reality. I was already saying that more than ten years ago
. It is a sport that is more and more physical, so there are inevitably more
temptations to take enhanching performance drugs. Now, with the Armstrong
issue, we are now admitting it’s not because someone has never been
controlled positive that it means that person has never been doping. When
one can afford good doctors, to make some personal researches on the subject
, and to have some re... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 60 | 25 harway, 按照你的设想,你希望客观地了解这篇文章作者的立场和观点,那么你应该认真
看看comments
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populous to be in touch with and appreciate sciences, the authors and
editor... 阅读全帖 |
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f******r
发帖数: 437 | 26 请你认真读读这个，我觉得这回复 comments的作者水平很高，
很遗憾的是nature 偷偷的把这个回复给删了， 留下很多中国人名字的谩骂贴。
我非常支持这个回帖作者的观点， 应该用事实和科学的方法回击nature,
nature 作为一个科学界的顶级杂志，发表这种文章， 必须要付出代价.
Lai jiang's comment (#47487) has been "anomalously" deleted by online editor
. I re-post it here:
Lai Jiang said:
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a pe... 阅读全帖 |
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b**********D
发帖数: 145 | 27 Jianglai 的回复
It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including myself,
regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical science
magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this. Granted, this
is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go through the
scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the general
populous to be in touch with and appreciate sciences, the authors and
editors should at least present the readers with... 阅读全帖 |
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O****e
发帖数: 3290 | 28 Hey buddy, don't get me wrong. I am just offerring my view too as I do have
trouble with any kind of scandal. I am also a true believer of dual process.
If you look at the whole history of cycling from openly doping to some
symbolic doping control to more serious dopong control to more and more
complicated doping control policies and programs, cycling is making progress
for better and in this respect UCI has done his job probably better than
any other sport professional or not. After all, cyclin... 阅读全帖 |
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O****e
发帖数: 3290 | 29 “So for me, the winner is Armstrong.” -Benoit Joachim
Another Armstrong's teammate speaks out.
Must Read: Former Armstrong teammate Benoit Joachim regrets not working with
Michele Ferrari
....
“All the evidence is very loose testimony. For me, they are cowards. They
made a lot of money off Armstrong and now they speak out 15 years later and
all is supposed to be forgiven? They do it at the end of their own careers,
” he said. “They should have spoken out earlier if they had something to
say.”
Jo... 阅读全帖 |
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z**c
发帖数: 7595 | 30 往Nature灌水那是一大波人的终身梦想，包括我的老板 ：）
http://club.kdnet.net/dispbbs.asp?page=1&boardid=1&id=8518328
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Why great Olympic feats raisesuspicions
""""Performanceprofiling"""" could help to catch cheaters in sport.
· Ewen Callaway
01 August 2012
At the Olympics,how fast is too fast? That question has dogged Chinese
swimmer Ye Shiwen afterthe 16-year-old shattered the world record in the
women""""s 400-metre individualmedley (400 IM) on Saturday. In the wake of
that race, some swimming expe... 阅读全帖 |
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X****i
发帖数: 492 | 31 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: XianDi (先帝), 信区: Olympics
标 题: Re: nature的原文可以找到么
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 3 09:30:00 2012, 美东)
找到了：
Why Great Olympic Feats Raise Suspicions: Scientific American
“Performance profiling” could help catch athletes who use banned performan
ce-enhancing drugs
From Nature magazine
At the Olympics, how fast is too fast? That question has dogged Chinese swim
mer Ye Shiwen after the 16-year-old shattered the world record in the women'
s 400-metre individual medley (400 IM... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********1
发帖数: 5204 | 32 BGI or others just try
NGS with both blood samples Ye Shiwen and Katie Ledecky
plus below six athletes total 8 athletes
performance profiling”方法，将所有国际上
有名的现役游泳运动员的比赛成绩，进行profiling分析，发现最高分排名（也就是最
“anomalous”的排名）是：
1. Elizabeth Beisel
2. Michael Phelps
3. Rebecca Adlington
4. Ian Thorpe
5. Stephanie Rice
6. Allison Schmitt
while can find proof of her EPOR mutation which is identical to Finnish
cross-country skier Eero Mäntyranta
and also is different to former matchs any DNA samples Ge... 阅读全帖 |
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p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 33 目前两天内收集到1100多签名，远远出乎我最早的预料（本来就是个人行动，后来有
Mitbbs网友愿意支持，我想有几十个支持就很好了）。计划明天伦敦工作日内发出。
抗议信也吸收了许多许多支持者的建议，尽量避免情绪化。但是我们还是不会拘泥于文章
的事实/逻辑问题，而会明白说出文章隐含的偏见色彩。我现在认为抗议本身也许能够
延伸出如何定义我们这个群体的public image,以及如何消除西方媒体民众对我们群体
image的stereotype的问题。当然这个不是小小一个抗议能起效的，明天我会写一个长
贴和大家讨论讨论
下面是抗议正式版:) 很多人的意见非常好，但是我没能力找出名字一一感谢了。。这
三天收了至少2000封email，回了1000封，还得给女儿喂奶哄睡，手快要断了:)
Dear Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
We are a group of contributors, subscribers, and readers of Nature residing
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发帖数: 11530 | 34 31 July 2012 Last updated at 13:56 ET
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China swimmer Ye Shiwen clean, says BOA boss Moynihan
Lord Moynihan: "It's regrettable that there is so much speculation out there
in the press"
Continue reading the main story Related StoriesLondon Olympics: Day Four
Live [/sport/0/olympics/19040297] Profile: Ye Shiwen [/news/world-asia-china
-19060155] Why teenagers improve fast [/news/health-19061026]
Teenage Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen is... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 11530 | 35 31 July 2012 Last updated at 13:56 ET
China swimmer Ye Shiwen clean, says BOA boss Moynihan
Lord Moynihan: "It's regrettable that there is so much speculation out there
in the press"
Continue reading the main story Related StoriesLondon Olympics: Day Four
Live [/sport/0/olympics/19040297] Profile: Ye Shiwen [/news/world-asia-china
-19060155] Why teenagers improve fast [/news/health-19061026]
Teenage Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen is not a drug cheat, the British Olympic
Association's chairman has sai... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1727 | 36 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: peoplem (我爱我家), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 14:15:57 2012, 美东)
发信人: peoplem (我爱我家), 信区: Biology
标 题: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 14:15:36 2012, 美东)
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It a... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 13548 | 37 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: peoplem (我爱我家), 信区: Biology
标 题: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 14:15:36 2012, 美东)
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧，中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管，你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题！
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Edito... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 151 | 38 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: peoplem (我爱我家), 信区: Biology
标 题: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 14:15:36 2012, 美东)
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧，中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管，你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题！
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Edito... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 151 | 39 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: peoplem (我爱我家), 信区: Biology
标 题: 写给Nature主编的抗议信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 14:15:36 2012, 美东)
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧，中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管，你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题！
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Edito... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 41236 | 40 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
OnEdge (四十不惑) 于 (Fri Jul 20 23:20:35 2012, 美东) 提到:
I am certainly not a pro. But, if I were I would certainly have the same
worry. You are certainly free to scoff It off if you even care enough to
read the article in the first place. But, I choose to have faith in someone
like Frank Schleck and his teammate Chris Horner. Please don't ask me how I
know Frank is not lying. I don't. If I do and I can prove it, that's not
called faith.
http://velonews.com... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5141 | 41 A BIT MORE ON LANCE ARMSTRONG'S DECISION TO GIVE UP HIS FIGHT AGAINST USADA
By Adventure Lab
http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/outdoor-adventure/athletes/a-
On Thursday night, Lance Armstrong chose not to enter into an arbitration
process that would pit him against the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, saying he's
grown tired of fighting charges of doping.
"There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, 'Enough is
enough.' For me, that time is now," said Armstrong in a statement. "I have
bee... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1114 | 42 Sun Yang had taken the heart medication since 2008. The med was listed as an
illegal drug in 2014 by international swimming association. Sun’s coach
failed to inform him. The international swimming association has accepted
the fact that Sun’s incident was actually an accident caused by mistake;
nevertheless, Chinese sports authority had banned Sun Yang for three months;
however, the international swimming association has taken the med off the
illegal drug list since 2015. I am sure Mack know the... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7030 | 43 俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧，中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管，你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题！
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
I am a neurobiologist in XXX. I (as well as many of my colleagues) found an
article that appeared in N... 阅读全帖 |
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p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 44 目前有六位同学志愿联署 如果还有愿意加入的请吧你的姓名机构名和email发给我 我
保证这些信息不会作他用。信正式发出前会给大家再看一次终稿
PS 版主能不能帮我把这个回帖置顶一天？（主帖不必）
俺英文不行 谁能不能帮我看看修改修改？另外里面的引用有体育迷帮我看看对不对。
我尽快发出去
真是气死我了，我里面也说了，他们要是不撤稿道歉以后绝不再投任何NPG的杂志，我
个小喽啰人家肯定不care,但是要是有100个华人科学家去信抗议他们敢不敢不care?
1000个呢？xdjm们该我们有点行动的时候了！看看人家文章里面怎么说的"When we
look at this young swimmer from China who breaks a world record, that’s not
proof of anything. It asks a question or two.”"看到了吧，中国人你做绵羊做
顺民我们不管，你们敢出人头地那我们是不相信的 你们肯定有问题！
Philip Campbell, Ph.D. and Editor-in-Chief of Nature,
I a... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 45 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=oly&id=8215052
Column: What's up with China's swimming success?
Updated: July 30, 2012, 2:40 PM ET
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LONDON -- What are they on? Or are they?
When Chinese swimmers started blowing rivals out of the water in London's
Olympic pool, whispers quickly followed. Is China cheating the sport again,
as it did in the 1990s, when drug-fueled, muscle-bound swimmers emerged from
nowhere to beat the world? Alain Bernard, the 2008 O... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8 | 46 found this in reddit
Gallium nitride (GaN), which is the material used to create blue LEDs, is
hard to grow. In order to make an LED you need to make a P-N junction,
meaning a layer of p-type material (positively doped) on top of n-type
material (negatively-doped). "Doping" a material is the process of changing
the carrier concentration (number of electrons or holes) and this can be
done by adding other elements with a different charge state, such as silicon
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发帖数: 2983 | 47 个人观点，dope不是问题，但dope了说谎take advantage就不对了
做charity不能justify，一嘛是一嘛。慈善是好事情，如果别人当了第一，也有可能做
，甚至做得更好。
如果dope是cycling公开的秘密的话，那就算了。arm就是一出头鸟，牺牲品。
话说回来，jobs也dope acid，而且公开承认，甚至说自己的设计apple灵感就是dope的
时候来的，这个就率真一点。虽然我觉得这个justify也很牵强。
这些讨论都是对事，不对人。如果arm是我的熟人亲人的话，我同情支持他。不是的放
在，i do not care。人就是有偏见的，屁股坐哪边决定的。只有“上帝”才能公正的
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发帖数: 19210 | 48 http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/03/floyd-landis-damages-
Floyd Landis must pay Pat McQuaid and Hein Verbruggen, the current and
previous presidents of cycling's world governing body, 10,000 Swiss francs (
6,600) each after the disgraced Tour de France winner was found guilty of
defamation by a Swiss court on Wednesday.
The Eastern Vaud district court ruled that the American, stripped of his
2006 Tour title for failing a dope test, was forbidden to "state that the
UCI, Pat McQuaid or Hein ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3656 | 49 我不是做半导体的，瞎扯几句。
看Sigma像素结构的示意图，其实就是多层的doping，在一坨P型里dope一坨N型成为一
个PN结做为最底层光电二极管，再在那坨N型里dope一坨P型，又是一个光电二极管，再
在那坨P型里dope一坨N型，就是最上层的光电二极管。每层的厚度必须控制好，所以生
产上和标准工艺有较大区别。Bayer的CMOS，好像就是dope 一个光电二极管，工艺好像
基本是标准的。
任何加强色彩分离的机制，必须植入那几坨不到一微米厚的硅当中，比如在最上面的零
点几微米扩散进一层黄色的染料，进一步减少进入下两层的蓝光。可行性不得而知，工
艺只会更复杂。而且超出了Foveon的技术范畴，everybody's grab。 |
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w****y
发帖数: 2501 | 50 找个比Lotche快得很容易，法国佬就是一个
400米IM战术很重要，叶诗文前面作保留，在后面的优势泳姿爆发，当然可以很快
找女子自由泳比叶诗文快的得也很容易
80-90年代中国游泳对的确doping，之后虽然有出现，但是少多了
现在中国对doping惩罚力度很大
欧阳鲲鹏08年被查出瘦肉精成分，被终身禁赛，教练也给费了，其实很冤枉
跟当年doping的那帮女的相比，叶诗文在长相和声音上太正常了，就是一小女孩
西方媒体这次太下作了，一点像样的evidence没有，就直接jouralism全部扔到马桶里
了，稍微知道shame的也不会写出来
说到doping，英国佬怎么不提当年鸦片战争的事？是谁他妈教会中国人doping的？ |
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