R********r
发帖数: 3415 | 1 check the one of the replies:
You have no business being on Salem Street unless
a) you unfortunately live there,
b) you score your dope there,
c) you sell your dope there,
or d) you are dumped there. |
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B*V
发帖数: 3365 | 3 转自:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/24/us-usa-armstrong-laws
Lance Armstrong sued for fraud over book fabrications
(Reuters) - Two California men have sued Lance Armstrong and his book
publishers for fraud and false advertising, claiming that the cyclist's best
-selling memoirs, billed as non-fiction, were revealed to be filled with
lies after he confessed last week to systematic doping.
The class-action complaint was filed in federal court in Sacramento,
California on Tuesday, five days ... 阅读全帖 |
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B*V
发帖数: 3365 | 4 转自:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/24/us-usa-armstrong-laws
Lance Armstrong sued for fraud over book fabrications
(Reuters) - Two California men have sued Lance Armstrong and his book
publishers for fraud and false advertising, claiming that the cyclist's best
-selling memoirs, billed as non-fiction, were revealed to be filled with
lies after he confessed last week to systematic doping.
The class-action complaint was filed in federal court in Sacramento,
California on Tuesday, five days ... 阅读全帖 |
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 5 what i mean is you dont judge a player if he is doped or not by his phyiscal
apperance...there are small
guys who are doped all over the place... |
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 6 MR. Beane knew who were doping? Doping also not neccessarily gurantees
success ..
I think the Yankees can make a half team... |
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 7 in fact, arod and bonds can argue they were facing dominant doped pitchers
like clemens. Clemens can argue he was facing dominant doped hitter..lol..so
their achievements will still be accountable |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 8 Bonds and Clemens are never confirmed of doping either.
That entire period was dark. We have reason to question every slugger and
every pitcher. I do not care if it is Unit or Maddux or Biggio. They need to
be treated the same despite the fact that some of them might not be doping. |
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c******l
发帖数: 51 | 9 六、DOPI/PODI/DEPO/DOPE约定
作4NT(BW)或4C(GB)问A，左手家叫花色
或加倍干扰时，同伴之间要事先商定，任选
一法回答。
EOPI法 ×=0A，PASS=1A，在对方花色
上加1级=2A，加2级=3A；
PODI法 PASS=OA，×=1A，在对方花色
上加1级=2A，加2级=3A；
DEPO法 ×=0/2A，PASS=1/3A；
DOPE法 ×=1/3A，PASS=0/2A。 |
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V*****n
发帖数: 893 | 10 you will get it after watching the prime time replay...Lance is still the man! many people think Lance doped. Ok, sure, but doping is not enough... |
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b******n
发帖数: 1269 | 11 I find this story quite idiotic.
This is 2004, about 4-5 years AFTER Lance started the winning binge. The
commercial value of Lance alone, and the USPS team, would give them enough
money to buy drugs.
Plus, there is not evidence other than a mere allegation that the money is
linked to doping.
Selling sponsored equipment is not cool, but it doesn't guarantee it's
doping related. |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 12 I'm not saying he absolutely doped. I'm also hoping that this new generation
is clean. But giving the history of this sport in the past couple of
decades, anything is possible. As much as I love and admire Armstrong, if
one day someone somehow proves he doped, I would be the least surprised.
Let's hope Contador was truly food contaminated ... patiently waiting for
the B-sample to be tested ...
food
wait |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 13 I'm pretty sure he's guilty of doping. But then everybody is doping anyway. |
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h******2
发帖数: 1498 | 14 虽然人人都dope，但是这些人还是很牛的。
达到有专职的医生给配药的水平，这些人都是从没有dope一点一点爬上来的。
普通的CAT4比赛里面想拿前五都是很不容易的事。 |
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p********r
发帖数: 3799 | 15 这个doping的问题，看来doping是cycling的小蜜，分不开啊～～ |
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h******2
发帖数: 1498 | 16 Lance Armstrong本人，其实不是问题的症结。rules不是他定的，他只不过是play by
the rules，愿赌服输而已。而且他已经名利双收了。
问题是大部分cycling governing body和race organizer 对doping采取blind eye的态
度，其结果是pro cycling的WWF化，这个对于amateur来说是很可悲的，大众眼里，pro
cycling 就是doping contest, 不管这个主观结论是对还是错，这个最终结果是很失
败的。
so, in the end, everyone loses, except for the people/companies who made
loads of $$ along the way.
所以，最操蛋的是UCI。 |
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u*********s
发帖数: 2077 | 17 其实就算不好看，我也是支持加大anti-doping力度的，
毕竟TdF上百年的历史，大规模doping也就是最近10几年的事吧...
sprinter |
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p********r
发帖数: 3799 | 18 不止.
TDF从一开始，就是doped race,40s年以前是合法的，50年以后才有的anti-doping. |
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p********r
发帖数: 3799 | 19 TDF为体育做出的另一个贡献就是促进了 doping and anti-doping的发展。 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 20 你也可以说其实奥运会也就是个doping and anti-doping的历史...
其实不管怎样， Olympic games也就是个game, no need to get
too serious about it.... |
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j*********r
发帖数: 654 | 21 For commentator Frank Deford, doping is the worst sin an athlete can commit.
"But drugs — Lance Armstrong on the highest level, and lesser lights like
Melky Cabrera and Bartolo Colon — don't just poison the game.
They poison our faith. It's only natural now that every rational person must
at least wonder whenever any athlete, no matter how revered, does something
exceptional. We've been surprised too often, disillusioned too often,
suckered too often, hurt too often.
So eventually, we might doub... 阅读全帖 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 22 嗯， 骂人这个界限的确比较模糊， 所以容易往人身上扣帽子....
不过我想啥是言语粗俗应该还是比较清晰的....
anyway, 其实不管啥标准，我都没问题，只要大家标准一致就ok....
如果一边自己doping, 一边指责对方doping, 这个我是不能接受的,
专门找我茬的自己也注意一下就好了， I am watching you too...
好了， 大家都散了吧， fuck |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 23 I basically share the same opinions. Did he dope? I believe so. Was it fair
to other cyclists? Sure,everyone else doped (and got caught). Was it fair
for him? Based on the revealed evidences, I don't think so. He played by the
rules. Do I really care? Absolutely not.
Is he an inspiring person regardless? Yes. Is he a hero? Yes, he had a
positive impact on many things that we'll never be able to achieve. Is he a
flawless person or a super hero? No. None of us are. |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 24 And I'm not trying to justify his doping. He doped and paid the price (
stripped of the titles and banned for life). |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 25 11个前队友作证...
不说他到底dope了没，我估计是肯定dope了，骑车界哪有干净的
就说他这人做的，咋11个队友都落井下石啊，这人是不是做人有点失败啊
是不是功成名就他一个人吃肉，大家汤都喝不到啊 |
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h*****a
发帖数: 1992 | 26 他不是没分。事实上他几个作证的teammate都混得不错啊。关键是全世界都doping，你
不dope就不行。这些人都是大浪淘沙里的一分子而已。 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 27 well, that's complicated. technically, you are obliged to testify if you
know he doped. if you don't, you can potentially be charged with contempt (
not perjury). however, the DA needs to prove a few things to convict you:
1. Armstrong indeed doped (therefore what you allegedly witnessed was a
crime)
2. you indeed knew about it (the allegation was founded)
3. You were not threantened by anybody not to testify.
I doubt any prosecutor would go that length to charge anyone, especially if
you have c... 阅读全帖 |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 28 11个前队友作证...
不说他到底dope了没，我估计是肯定dope了，骑车界哪有干净的
就说他这人做的，咋11个队友都落井下石啊，这人是不是做人有点失败啊
是不是功成名就他一个人吃肉，大家汤都喝不到啊 |
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h*****a
发帖数: 1992 | 29 他不是没分。事实上他几个作证的teammate都混得不错啊。关键是全世界都doping，你
不dope就不行。这些人都是大浪淘沙里的一分子而已。 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 30 well, that's complicated. technically, you are obliged to testify if you
know he doped. if you don't, you can potentially be charged with contempt (
not perjury). however, the DA needs to prove a few things to convict you:
1. Armstrong indeed doped (therefore what you allegedly witnessed was a
crime)
2. you indeed knew about it (the allegation was founded)
3. You were not threantened by anybody not to testify.
I doubt any prosecutor would go that length to charge anyone, especially if
you have c... 阅读全帖 |
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w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 31 我还是继续葱白他，有些朋友，比如跑步版的欢喜，貌似特别讨厌他，我觉得当时的
doping就是我们的一部分历史，不能单独对胳膊壮太过；
当然，这些组织对他的指控和裁决也无可厚非，可以理解，我就是觉得作为一个运动的
扇子，我还是相信他的确dope了，但是依然喜欢他。 |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 32 dope的复杂过程听了挺吓人的，感觉他真不容易，为了dope费这么大劲 |
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h******2
发帖数: 1498 | 33 LA，以至于整个pro cycling搞到今天这个地步，基本上就是UCI给惯坏的。Rabobank已
经宣布，从此不再sponsor pro cycling，他们的CFO说了，“International cycling
is rotten, including some of its highest institutions.”本来人民就不怎么喜欢
银行，现在银行又是doping的sponsor了。以后大
家看见nike的钩子，就想到doping。
UCI就是个婊子组织，不见棺材不落泪，只有等金主撤钱了才有所作为，现在strip LA
的title，也就是PR damange control而已。
Livestrong的所有大金主都开始撤钱了，等着看更多的sponsor都撤了，那UCI就真哽儿
屁了。 |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 34 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/sports/cycling/lance-armstron
Tygart would be willing to reduce Armstrong’s punishment if Armstrong would
testify against the people who helped him dope. That would possibly include
Pat McQuaid, the president of the cycling union, and Hein Verbruggen, who
was the cycling union’s president from 1991 to 2005, a time when doping in
the sport was rampant. Verbruggen, who is close with the International
Olympic Committee president, Jacques Rogge, is also the cycling ... 阅读全帖 |
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j*********r
发帖数: 654 | 35 据CNN说
(CNN) -- Disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong has not only spent years
vehemently denying using banned performance-enhancing drugs; he also has
viciously attacked those who told what they knew about doping in the sport
and implicated him in the process.
In what could now be seen as supreme hypocrisy -- or a new definition of "
chutzpah" -- Armstrong even sued agencies that accused him of doping -- in
some cases accusing those agencies of libel.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/16/us/lance-armstrong... 阅读全帖 |
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w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 36 Doping 到底有多大作用？ 当时Lance七冠的时候，前几名的都没有doping么？
我觉得没有完全了解这个背景，还是先别下结论说， 没有douping， Lance would be
a nobody. |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 37 超级管用。当年的马家军就是dope出来的。
马拉松里也有啊！美国的EPO Eddy!
The Confessions of Eddy Hellebuyck
An American marathon champion, suspended six years ago from the sport for
doping, finally reveals the truth behind the charges—and why he now hopes
to redeem himself.
http://runnersworld.com/elite-runners/confessions-eddy-hellebuy |
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h*****a
发帖数: 1992 | 38 Greg Lemond其实我觉得也是有些酸葡萄。他要是生在LA时代他也得dope.
还有他说Lance的talent average其实不完全对。Lance的四肢非常健壮，但是心肺功能
没有最顶级的自行车手的水准。打个比方说，Lance是一个配备了顶级显卡，内存，SSD
的电脑，但是天生的CPU却只是一个中档货色。这时候cpu超频 (doping)就能令外围设
备的优势完全发挥出来。
said |
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f**********e
发帖数: 1994 | 39 我没 dope 就到过 51% 了，没有 dope 的空间。你 41.8% 加点高原训练一定很牛。。。 |
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 40 I am not sure of this. .... I don't know about marathon running 2.
BTW, I accidentally read a page of marathon cycling before. FYI.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling
It clearly shows more and more doping cases in cycling sports these
years. I guess this is due to more advanced or comprehensive doping
detection methods and the emergency of much cheaper and more effective
performance enhancement drugs. |
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l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 42 运动作弊几乎和人类正式竞技比赛的历史一样漫长。
尽管人们有时很天真，会把自己喜爱的运动以及该项运动成绩杰出者神圣化，可是
严酷的现实是这个世界不是由圣人组成的。再说，圣人有圣人的事，也不会沉溺于某项
运动。
客观来说，任何一项运动只要满足以下两个条件就会有作弊：
1。运动成绩的好话与巨大的经济利益挂钩
2。有客观上能提高运动成绩的手段比如药物尽管是禁药和可能有害健康
1 提供作弊的强烈动机，2提供技术可能性。
从这点出发，就能看出哪些运动有doping，哪些可能性不大。
职业健美比赛尤其是现代健美比赛当然是非常肮脏的，几乎是药灌子的比赛。
各种田径项目尤其是短跑也是如此，
这些项目对肌肉的要求很高，能够超级刺激肌肉的各种类固醇对运动有显著的帮助。
天赋秉异但干净的选手要战胜天赋也不错但服药的对手几乎不可能。
以上是肌肉力量型运动，那么长距离的耐力型运动如自行车，中长跑和游泳又怎么样呢？
1显然成立。
2也成立，这类运动只要增加血液中的红细胞数目，就能大大提高血液中的携氧能力，
从而提高运动成绩。Blood doping或人为地注入EPO激素就是增加红细胞数目的一些方法。
那么，有哪些运 |
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f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 43 很少看到过HK，good, trigger三个词在一个帖子里出现，呵呵。试过HK所谓的match
trigger(USP elite，expert)，不要说1911，跟sig的da/sa扳机比都有差距。
HK的塑料枪比别家的贵一倍，搞出的产品很让人体会到HK hates you的精神。就拿USP
来说，USP的bore axis比1911高，1911又比XD高0.2寸的样子(XD比glock高０.1寸，
M&P在两者之间)，大伙都明白高bore axis后座枪口跳的厉害吧。
为了减轻后座又弄了个双弹簧，双弹簧把后座能搞出很奇怪的pattern来
(有人说是figure８，有人说是inconsistent muzzle flip and sight
return of the USP)，速射或比赛大忌。做的也不是多耐用，别家坏的地方它还不是这样坏，看看以前为HK打比赛的运动员现在改HK为生的枪匠怎么说的
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=77953&st=25
If you will indulge some remi... 阅读全帖 |
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l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 44 Blood doping，也就是增加血红蛋白的数量，已经可以查出来了。主要是通过定期血检
，建立base line，一旦在比赛前后血红蛋白的浓度有突变，即可判定doping嫌疑。 |
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w******t
发帖数: 356 | 45 Never heard of it.
So you seem to know that happy street pretty well, huh? Did you always go to
there to get doped up pretty good?
Or you are just doped up NOW and all kinds of fantasy swirling around in
your head at this moment? |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 46 I have no doubt Lance Armstrong doped. Actually all top cyclists dope. Some
get caught some don't.
rumor
performance |
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S*******t
发帖数: 174 | 47 1. It's well known that PED is far more effective on women than on men.
2. Blood doping is widespread in Kenya. It's not clear what percentage of
Kenyans in international competitions are doped.
3. Women's 1500m and 10000m record are obviously EPO assisted. So is men's
1500m. |
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h****w
发帖数: 1363 | 48 Doping最后就是一个人为的定义，you have to draw the line somewhere的意思吧。
我不反对搞一个doping无限制的奥运会。谁愿意自残都行 |
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P******t
发帖数: 1717 | 49 刚才看到有讨论又提到大罗（肥罗）因为甲低（hypothyroidism)而难以控制体重，因
为大罗退役时声称治疗甲低需要的激素是运动员禁用的。
大罗是俺很喜爱的球星，个人认为是1980年以来最杰出的前锋，没有之一。之前早也听
过大罗和甲低的新闻，并深以为然，为这么一名天才球员不得不忍病踢球和被迫提早谢
幕感到惋惜。不过我也隐隐总有一丝疑惑，反兴奋剂组织真连正常治病水平的激素都禁
止运动员使用吗？但一直懒着没有深究一步，这次借机做了一点点search。
首先，hypothyroidism是甲状腺机能低下，导致代谢水平降低，容易肥胖。这可以解释
大罗后期变肥罗的体征。治疗甲低，常用激素替代治疗，常用药是levothyroxine, or
triiodothyronine。
reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothyroidism
那么，levothyroxine等药物是否被anti-doping agency禁用？我查了下wada网站的
prohibited-list，没有找到这种甚至这类药物。
reference:
http://www... 阅读全帖 |
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a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 50
问题是现在已经基本过气了。 看人家这时间差打得。 钱拿了，捧受了，无数的妞睡了
，现在随便什么doping不doping的指控，人多聪明，不理你们了，免得到时候非得作证
就是说真话说假话都很麻烦。 |
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