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发帖数: 3781 | 1 ZT
The conversation went on like this for some time. Every new aspect of Calvin
ism I explained was greeted with further exclamations of "Yes! That's exactl
y what we're hearing."
Others at the table from entirely different areas of the country began to re
late their experiences. One man had recently left a church which had split o
ver the issue of Calvinism. The deacon board had voted that every member mus
t sign a Calvinistic statement of faith. Someone else was from a church wher
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发帖数: 1911 | 2 any non-calvinists think the local churchers are heresy?
so ironically, those calvinists are not christian at all! how they can judge
christians? |
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发帖数: 1911 | 5 a calvinist won't say he was wrong |
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发帖数: 1911 | 6 all the calvinists on this board are good examples |
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发帖数: 3781 | 7 (by Dave Hunt)
Can you answer some questions about Calvinism?" The query was directed to me
by a young man who was among a number of us sitting together around a resta
urant table one evening recently in a city where I was speaking at a confere
nce.
"Why do you ask me?" was my somewhat puzzled response.
"We heard you were writing a book about Calvinism."
"Yes, I am - a book, in fact, that I didn't want to write. There are fine Ch
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发帖数: 8336 | 8 Today, 250 years ago a great pastor was born, Charles Simeon. He was called
to Trinity Church, Cambridge in May of 1782. And he endured fruitfully there
through much fire for 54 years until his death November 13, 1836.
Simeon never married. He "had deliberately and resolutely chosen the…
celibacy of a Fellowship that he might…better work for God at Cambridge" (
Moule, Charles Simeon, 111).
His greatest influence was probably through sustained biblical preaching for
54 years. This was the central... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8336 | 9 But don’t take this to mean that Simeon pulled any punches when expounding
Biblical texts. He is very forthright in teaching what the Bible teaches and
calling error by its real name. But he is jealous of not getting things out
of balance.
He said that his invariable rule was “to endeavor to give to every portion
of the Word of God its full and proper force, without considering what
scheme it favours, or whose system it is likely to advance” (Moule, 79).
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发帖数: 4956 | 10 Blinded By Tradition:
An Open Letter to Dave Hunt
Regarding His Newly Published Attack Upon the Reformation, What Love Is This
? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God
James White
Updated 5/16/02, see bottom of file
Dear Dave,
In the period of time since I finally received my own copy of your book (you
may recall I scanned through it while standing at your table in St. Louis a
t the PFO Conference) I have gone through a number of different emotions. A
t first I was just going to do one Dividing ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 712 | 11 【 以下文字转载自 TrustInJesus 讨论区 】
发信人: jiagejidu (shenmumaliya), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: Why is Calvinism a Cult?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 18 22:22:17 2011, 美东)
Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cultlike behavior is always marked
by an idolatrous desire to the cult itself. This is especially true in
Calvinism. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be
mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. There are many people who
attend Calvinistic churches do so for reasons o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 712 | 12 Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cultlike behavior is always marked
by an idolatrous desire to the cult itself. This is especially true in
Calvinism. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be
mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. There are many people who
attend Calvinistic churches do so for reasons other than Calvinism and such
members essentially place little emphasis on Calvinism itself. It is those
people who have committed themselves to Calvinism ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 712 | 13 Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cultlike behavior is always marked
by an idolatrous desire to the cult itself. This is especially true in
Calvinism. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be
mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. There are many people who
attend Calvinistic churches do so for reasons other than Calvinism and such
members essentially place little emphasis on Calvinism itself. It is those
people who have committed themselves to Calvinism ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 712 | 14 CALVIN BELIEVED IN INFANT BAPTISM
Calvin said, "Baptism is properly administered to infants is something owed
to them."
CALVIN BELIEVED IN SACRAMENTS EQUAL TO GOD'S WORD
"Therefore, let it be regarded as a settled principle that the sacraments
have the same office as the Word of God: to offer and set forth Christ to us
, and in him the treasures of heavenly grace."
CALVIN BELIEVED IN AMILLENNIALISM AND WAS AGAINST PREMILLENNIALISM
Calvin said, "But a little later there followed the Chiliasts, wh... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 15 Calvinism consists of theological doctrines which use words found in the Bib
le. However, Calvinism consistently redefines those words, takes them out of
context, applies the doctrines inappropriately, exaggerates the meaning of
the words to the extreme, or in some other way distorts the Word of God to m
atch the theology written by John Calvin in his book, Institutes of the Chri
stian Religion. The following is a typical definition of Total Depravity, th
e First Point of Calvinism, written by o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8336 | 16 Believing in the sovereignty of God is not an option of yes, no, or maybe
within the Christian context. If the Bible is our authoritative guide, one
must believe that God is sovereign. It is not unlike the issue of
predestination. That God predestines people to salvation is not up for
debate, what is up for debate is what it means that God predestines.
Both Calvinists and Arminians agree that God is sovereign, but they will
often disagree as to what this means.
Here are the four primary options:... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 10575 | 17 http://www.ccel.org/ccel/boettner/predest.ii.i.html
Chapter I
Introduction
The purpose of this book is not to set forth a new system of theological
thought, but to give a re-statement to that great system which is known as
the Reformed Faith or Calvinism, and to show that this is beyond all doubt
the teaching of the Bible and of reason.
The doctrine of Predestination receives comparatively little attention in
our day and it is very imperfectly understood even by those who are supposed
to hold it... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 18 By Dave Hunt
Making Certain Of Accuracy And Fairness
To make certain that no mistaken interpretations of the doctrines under cons
ideration survived in this book, a preliminary manuscript was submitted to a
number of Calvinist friends and acquaintances for their critique. Reading a
nd discussing with them their valuable comments, for which I am deeply grate
ful, has been an education in itself. In that process it became clearer than
ever that Calvinists don't agree even among themselves on every... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4956 | 19 Dave Hunt's Response to James White
Hunt, Dave
May 15, 2002
James, you and I have agreed on the phone today to put this debate in writin
g in the form of a book with a publisher agreeable to us both. That will all
ow the arguments to be studied more carefully by readers than is possible in
oral debates. We will both do our best to complete it as quickly as possibl
e (though I have a busy travel and speaking schedule as you do also). The pu
blisher wants to go to press in September. That’s f... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 20 It is a general assumption that whatever other disagreements we may have, wh
en it comes to the gospel of our salvation both Calvinists and non-Calvinist
s are in full agreement. Many Calvinists, however, disagree, claiming that t
he biblical gospel is Calvinism. For example: "God's plan of salvation revea
led in the Scriptures consists of what is popularly known as the Five Points
of Calvinism."
Loraine Boettner declares, "The great advantage of the Reformed Faith is tha
t in the framework of t... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1911 | 21 What is your opinion of using book written by Calvinists?
http://bible-truth.org/FAQ-Calvinism.html
Answer: I think if the subject of the book is outside the realm of Calvin
ism they may be okay, but a person should be very discerning. I listened to
a message of a preacher on the radio yesterday for about ten minutes who was
a Calvinist. When I first started listening he was talking about the grace
of God and God's glory. What he said was correct in every way, however he th
en began to interm... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 22 by Dave Hunt
Moreover, Baptists who today point to Dort as the articulation of what they
believe are, as Vance points out," 43 not only conforming to a Dutch Reforme
d State-Church creed, they are following Augustine, for as the Reformed theo
logian Herman Hanko asserts, `Our fathers at Dordrecht knew well that these
truths set forth in the Canons could not only be traced back to the Calvin R
eformation; they could be traced back to the theology of St. Augustine . . .
. For it was Augustine who ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 23 by Dave Hunt
The Emperor's Clothes Again?
Many of the verses Calvinists use to support "T" (such as John 1:13 and Roma
ns 9:16) have nothing to do with the concept of total depravity. In such pas
sages we are simply told that by our own will we cannot force ourselves upon
God. He is the author of salvation and it is all by His mercy and grace, no
t by our effort or will. None of such passages, however, declares that any m
an cannot believe the gospel when it is offered to him with the convincing... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 24 by Dave Hunt
When You're Dead, Are You Dead?
Another major argument the Calvinist uses for Total Depravity is that by nat
ure we are all "dead in trespasses and in sins" (Ephesians 2:1; Colossians 2
:13). Sproul calls this statement "A predestination passage par excellence."
33 Continuing the fallacious equating of spiritual death to physical death,
Gordon H. Clark writes, "A dead man cannot exercise faith in Jesus Christ."
34 Of course, neither can a dead man reject Christ, or even sin. The ana... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 25 http://blog.guidedbytruth.com/johnthreesixteen.php
In order to believe in Calvinistic theology, a person must explain why the n
ormal text of a passage simply does not say what it appears to say. John 3:1
6 is probably the most popular Bible verse in all the world, and yes, by tha
t I mean the entire world. I could be wrong, but needless to say, many peopl
e, even non-Christians, know this verse by heart. However, according to Calv
inists, this verse does not really mean exactly what it says. To... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4956 | 26 Letter from Visitor on Calvinism, Evil and God's Holiness
Today I received an email to my to Monergism.com account from a visitor name
d Shawn. He asked some important questions on on Calvinism, Evil and God's H
oliness. I have reproduced his email in full with my response (with a couple
paragraphs on Job that quote liberally from John Piper)
Dear Mr. Hendryx,
I've been reading your website with interest and find it to be one of the ve
ry best Calvinistic resources I've seen on the net. I am not... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 27 Arminius, Dort, Westminster and Five Points
Calvinism is often contrasted with Arminianism, so named after Jacobus Armin
ius (1560-1609). All those who do not fully agree with Calvinists on all fiv
e points of TULIP (see below) are often accused of being Arminians, though m
any against whom this charge is laid have never heard the term. Moreover, mo
st Calvinists who malign Arminius have probably never read his works and kno
w nothing more than hearsay about him and his beliefs. Ironically, this... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 28 The Arminianism claimed that the atonement of Jesus Christ is sufficient to
save all the mankind, but only those who choose to believe Him can be saved
(only effective to the believers)
The Calvinism, on the contrary, claimed that the lord's atonement is only su
fficient to save the elect (i.e., Calvinists themselves). Non-Calvinists (n
on-believers in Calvinistic eyes) were predestined to hell even before they
were born (and be able to commit sin). Nowadays, some Calvinists treat more
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发帖数: 4956 | 29 Calvinism
Hunt addressed Calvinism in a book called What Love is This? Calvinism's Mis
representation of God, published in 2002 and revised in 2004 and 2006. He re
futed many misconceptions of Calvinism without taking an Arminian stance. He
outlined a theological middle ground between Calvinism and Arminianism, whe
re one can believe in eternal security but reject Calvinistic teaching. This
book is currently being published by the Berean Call. James White, a Calvin
ist, has charged Hunt with mis... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 30 The Great Synod Of Dort (Dordrecht)
The persisting theological differences eventually involved the government in
an internal battle between political rivals. The Calvinists won out, Prince
Maurice siding with them, and followed up by replacing magistrates sympathe
tic to the Arminians. This paved the way for the national synod which, after
letters sent inviting foreign representatives, was then convened at Dordrec
ht on November 13, 1618, and lasted into May of the following year.
Of course, the... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 31 Fruits Of The Synod Of Dort
In evaluating the Synod of Dort and the Five Points of Calvinism which it pr
onounced, one cannot avoid recognition of the political nature of the gather
ing and the fact that the Calvinistic church leaders were acting as instrume
nts of the state in violation of the Word of God - and the state acted on th
eir behalf to punish their opponents. That Calvinists together with the stat
e falsely charged, persecuted, imprisoned, sought the death of and executed
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发帖数: 3781 | 32 Defining Calvinism
In spite of many differences of opinion among Calvinists today, Calvinism is
generally explained by the acronym, TULIP. Philip F. Congdon writes that "a
tulip is a beautiful flower, but bad theology. The fruit of the flower is a
ppealing; the fruit of the theology is appalling . . . works, as an inevitab
le result, are necessary for salvation. To be fair, Classical Calvinists usu
ally object to this by describing the gospel message as not `faith + works =
justification,' but `... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 33 by Dave Hunt
Yes, man is totally unable to contribute one iota to his salvation. It does
not then follow, however, that he therefore cannot receive the salvation fre
ely offered in Christ. It is confusion at this point which creates the doctr
ine of Total Depravity and leads to the remainder of the Five Points. Spurge
on labored under no such delusion.
Calvinists gladly cite Spurgeon for support. There is no doubt that Spurgeon
often declared himself to be a Calvinist, but he frequently made sta... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 34 most of so-called christians on this board are calvinists
I am sure Dignity is not 5 points calvinist. Huo said he is 4 point
calvinist.
blackdragon, maybe 5 points.
whiterose, follower of 5 points JYM, may has some points on her.
winter is not calvinist
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发帖数: 3781 | 35 Problem (1) God love us
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoev
er believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
This verse is cited most frequently. We can call John 3:16 the gospel in on
e sentence. This verse is the best declaration of "God is love". Yes, God
love us. God want to save us. What we need to do is just to believe in the
name of his only Son Jesus. Is that simple? Is that marvelous?
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发帖数: 3781 | 36 A Brief Word
Discussions with many people around the world reveal that multitudes of sinc
ere, Bible-believing Christians are "Calvinists" only by default. Thinking t
hat the only choice is between Calvinism with its doctrine of eternal securi
ty and Arminianism with its falling away, and confident that salvation canno
t be lost because of Christ's promise to keep eternally those who believe in
Him, they therefore consider themselves to be Calvinists.
It takes only a few simple questions to disc... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 37 Under "The Question of Truth,"
We therefore call upon evangelicals to return to the once-held biblical view
. .. that to lay claim to a particular doctrine [Calvinism] as true is not s
piritual arrogance but a biblical duty.
Under ` A Vision for Reformation,"
We therefore call upon evangelicals to affirm a vision for reformation which
is in accordance with the witness of Scripture and in continuity with the h
istoric testimony of the [Calvinist] church. Such a vision is of a church wh
ich is bot... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 38 Is Calvinism So Difficult To Understand?
Should Calvinism really be unfathomable for the common Christian? That very
fact, if true, would be additional proof that Calvinism was not derived from
the scriptures. How could something so complicated possibly come from that
upon which every person is capable of meditating day and night (Psalms 1:1-2
)? If the essential nourishment God's Word provides is to be every man's dai
ly sustenance for spiritual life (Deuteronomy 8:3), could Calvinism have com
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发帖数: 3781 | 39 The Geneva And King James Bibles And Protestant Creeds
Of no small importance to our study is the fact that this corrupt transl
ation had an influence upon the Protestant churches in Europe, England and A
merica. That influence carried into the Geneva Bible (which has further
problems; see below) as well as into other early versions of the English
Bible and even into the King James of today.
The Vulgate contributed erroneous renderings to the King James Bible, tw
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发帖数: 1776 | 40 加尔文主义与阿米年念主义的共同点
WHAT CALVINISTS AND ARMINIANS SHARE IN COMMON
背景：海外华人基督教圈子裏，有些同工同道关注基督徒对加尔文主义的兴趣日增，可
能对教会的合一性有害。笔者写了这份备忘录，寄给一位资深华人教会领袖，强调加尔
文主义与阿米念主义之间的共同点。
Background: There is concern in certain Chinese Christian circles that the
increasing interest in Calvini?m today may be harmful to the unity of the ch
urch.
I wrote thi? memorandum to a Chinese church leader stressing the many points
on which Calvinists and Arminians agree on, and share in common.
各位主内同道，我们不论是加尔文主义者或是阿米念主义者，只要真正相信《圣经... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 41 Arminianism And State Churches
It could only be expected that Arminius's moderate and biblical view would a
ttract a large following. Many Protestant pastors, uncomfortable with the ex
tremes of Calvinism and with its militancy against those who disagreed, bega
n to see in Scripture and to preach the same modified Calvinism as Arminius.
They received considerable opposition from Calvinists wherever the latter w
ere in the majority and controlled public opinion. Furthermore, the Calvinis
ts, foll... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 42 by Dave Hunt
Calvinists can, of course, find many scriptures describing man's evil heart
and practices. None of these scriptures, however, states that a man cannot b
elieve the gospel unless he is one of the elect and has been given that fait
h by a sovereign act of God.
Pink declares that "the sinner, of himself, cannot repent and believe." 20 F
or all of their insistence upon man's inability to believe the gospel and to
receive Christ, however, Calvinists cannot agree among themselves. J.I. Pa... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 43 jym, qiaqia, seek, 3 Calvinists
vs
windking, BHistory, Renjie1968, manchild(?),happybird... many local
churchers
this time, Calvinists are outnumbered. Also, Calvinists are not banzhu
anymore.
Calvinists are losing now.
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发帖数: 3781 | 44 A Commendable But Mistaken Zeal
Talbot and Crampton assure us that "The sovereignty of God is ... the most b
asic principle of Calvinism ... the foundation upon which all [including Chr
istianity itself] is built." 10 Boettner agrees: "The basic principle of Cal
vinism is the sovereignty of God." 11 Such fervor for God's sovereignty is c
ommendable. However, in order to make certain that everything is under His c
ontrol to the extent that it must be in order for their doctrine to be consi
stent,... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 45 How can there be any real freedom of choice if only one kind of choice is av
ailable, and one which has been decreed eternally? But would a Holy God decr
ee evil? Obviously, this is not free choice at all. It is, however, the only
"freedom" Calvinism can allow. Pink favorably quotes J. Denham Smith, whom
he honors as a "deeply taught servant of God":
I believe in free will; but then it is a will only free to act according to
nature . . .. The sinner in his sinful nature could never have a will a... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 12853 | 46
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发帖数: 3781 | 47 godwithus is calvinist
jym is calvinist
seeketernal is calvinist |
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发帖数: 1911 | 48 a good man can live under a bad regime. I don't like Mormon. myelsa is a n
ewbie in Mormon. We all know how she has been searching for the suitable ch
urch for the past two years. We also saw how the Calvinists (jym, qiaqiafen
g, seeketernal...) were attacking her Christian belief when she was denomina
tional.
I hate the Calvinists more after she joined the Mormon Church.
When you are talking the difference between Mormon and protestant, I really
want to beat all the calvinists to death.
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发帖数: 5754 | 49 I'm new to this forum and not aware of the history. Personally I can't
accept Mormonism as Christian belief because of a) the extra mormon books/
teachings and b) the superiority of the 12 "living prophets" over Bible.
But is an open forum so Mysela shall be free to express her belief, just as
the atheists with their lack of belief.
newbie in Mormon. We all know how she has been searching for the suitable
church for the past two years. We also saw how the Calvinists (jym,
qiaqiafeng, seeketer... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 50 let me make this clear.
John 3:16
Does God love all the people in the world?
answer YES -- Non-calvinist
answer NO --Calvinist
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