r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 1 NL50 ppl only 3bet squeeze with AK and QQ+?
I dont think so.
we have windstorm 4-bets J9s at NL100, and I just bust a guy who 5-bets 50bb
with 46s at NL10.
haven't played NL25 and NL50 for a while. :)
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 2
50bb
actually I mean 10/25, not much 3 bet bluff base on my experience. When the
stack get higher. Player tend to 3 bet much more often.
Also, it depends on situation. The initial raiser is at EP, not quite a good
spot to 3 bet bluff. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 i would call pre for 3bb, 77 is good for that price and set mining.
3 bet pre is kind of inflating the pot, out of position, only do it small %
of time.
folding is too weak for 2.5BB extra.
but this kind of flop is not a good spot to go too aggressively. for small
stakes, ABC is good enough. 50BB investment with possible river folding is
just way too expensive. or put in this way, we need to beat 5bb/100 for 1000
hands to "make up" for this. |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 5 前几天向各位求教如何应对62/28，昨晚碰到一位从我加入到他离开98/40的，估计那个
2%是他去上厕所了
6max 10NL， 每把没牌2x到4xpf，有牌6xpf，然后3barrel at least half pot cbet
额第神 我按奈不住 上手一把tptk 送给他100bb （runner runner q7 fullhouse） 然
后tilt的我 AKs 裸bet 又送他50bb by bottom pair 合着之前其他几位送他的厚礼
450bb赫然摆在他面前
然后我非常乖的坐在那里等啊等 终于没多久用qq 擒擒纵纵 b他就范 还我100bb 然后
继续等啊等 可惜没等到我媳妇熬成婆 他就已经撑不住了 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 6 Holy......improve to 50bb/100 hands?
i am only running 5bb/100.... |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 7 hehe.. 我看你Live时最大问题是打牌时没用注意到自己的stack size, 你大概20bb，
50bb， 100bb preflop 的打法都差不多。
打 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 8 utg with KK， open raise 4bb
fold to button， button raise to 13.5bb
sb cold call,
effective stack 100bb
what to do now? I think should always 4bet,
4bet size? 50 bb or shove?
if say 4bet to 50bb, button called, sb fold, flop low cards rainbow
what to do? bet or c/c? |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 9 这种stat我4bet big（maybe 40-50BB) 然后准备allin。寄希望SB是KK或更差，我想SB
如果是AA的话，cold call来play 3-way OOP还是不多见的。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 MTT, especially this huge field, 14409 players, it's really a super tough
challenge. when only about 200 left, almost everyone was a pro or semi-pro,
and cmis91 bought in for 3 entries, total $648 investment.
as far as i saw, he's playing LAG in the middle and super tight towards the
end, a few key hands to build his stack:
1) AJo open shoved from UTG for about 15BB, got snap called by MP's AKo, way
behind and the flop was TQx, or not even J would save him... turn was a
miracle, K.
2) TT 2x from... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 The pot does not look right.. 3.5bb steal, you 3 bet 11.50bb? how can the
pot be only 13.5bb?
your c bet should be around 2/3 pot. Not too big, but not too small. Facing
mini raise, i think it is 50 50 to shove or fold. The board hits your range
very heavy, so I think his raise is for real. But with that being said, he
could also miniraise this with 10J QJ 109 and 10s KQ all the pair with gut
shot hand and all his flush draws, pair with flush draw. So I probably shove myself. 3 bet pre is good.... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 imagine one day ftp and poker star can let you gamble with margins.. how sick would that be?
"Oh fuck.. i just lost a 50bb pot and i got a margin call... please help!!!"
ev mm replies: "that's what you get for playing NL10000 with a NL50 bank roll. Didn't I tell you not to use margins as soon as it came out???" lol..
changed
plan
everything |
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l*********l
发帖数: 15 | 13 前不久打的一次NL500 cash game, me BB with 58spades, UTG+1 3x bets, one
caller before me, i called. flop: Qs6c7c, UTG+1 3xBB bet, one fold, I bet
9xBB testing whether he has a Q or sets(QcXc or something or a pair of 6 or
7). He thinks and calls. Got me thinking he has tptk with a flush draw. Turn
a 6s. I bet 10xBB to keep my draw live, he calls. Rivered a 4h, I hit my
draw to have a straght now and so sure I am ahead. I checked, he bet another
10xBB, i raised 20xBB. He thinks long and then calls. At th... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 靠，别提了，几个大点的pot全栽了，read全对，结果全错，让同一个reg但是明显在
tilt胡打的给sucked out。
AJs limped UTG, he directly shoved low 50BB or so (he did this a few times
already), another short guy called and was all-in too. i never limp called
with AJs in the spot before but was so natural this time. YES, he got TJo
and the other guy 89o. he sucked me with a T, and the other guy hit river
gutshot str8.
TT 4 bet shoved pre against him, he snap called with 66 (80BB), i rivered
str8 and he hit 4 card flush with 6h, damn. the oth... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 15 $200/hour
-----sounds very strange.
1) live game means only one tabling, generally you will be dealt 40 hands per
hour. I guess only 8-10 hands is playable. If you play all 10 hands, then it
is 25% vpip, which is a lot.
I still make the assumption of 10 hands.
2) $200. Supposing you play 5/10, it is 20BB. Even we do not count the all
other factors in, such as the tips, the commute fee, it is still a lot.
If we calculate the win rate, it is 20BB/40 hands, which is equals to 50BB/
100 hands, I do ... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 16 chips leader才50bb左右吧？或者更少，记不清了。这种情况下谁赢都不意外啊，尤其
一帮LAG在一起。真的很难猜。。。。 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 17 zan!
这种 game 一小时 50BB/H 没有问题吧。
。
“ 而且能开出几桌5/10NL，5
vegas slow 的很， 就 3-4 家有5-10 NL or bigger,平时一般就一台，周末 有时又2-
3 台。
而且平时都是熟面口，每什么好大。现在连commerce也有些slow, reg 太多了。 看来
那边game 很好啊，看来我如果能拿到 ftp的钱，也要过去埔鱼去了。
，5 |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 18 一天不来又吵起来了。我贴手牌amuse大家一下，大家消消气吧
我 8T off suit 29 BB all in 把人家的 JJ bad beat了，哥们气急了
“ I fkn bubble every time cause of fkn stupid sht like that ”
好像还有一次，WCOOP中，我也是8T，不过好像是suited，6bet shove 50BB+，对手也
是JJ，我最后成了straight，对手也是大骂。还是$1000 buy in的game，可惜找不到
Hand history了。
所以不愉快的事到处有，希望大家还是以和为贵吧。
Full Tilt Poker Game #12258118577: MiniFTOPS Event #22 (84244414), Table 176
- 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:54:51 ET - 2009/05/16
Seat 1: Foundinflood (4,525)
Seat 2: william bluffer (18,590)
Seat 3: Micro-Xtrem... 阅读全帖 |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 19 并非高手，对full ring的Limit而言，感觉有如下几点：
1，需要非常耐心，NL急了可以bluff，L如果不顺可以消耗50BB也无法赢一手牌.
2, 选择起手牌，紧是王道。而且要非常Selective，JJ，AQ都很marginal
3, 起起落落，最终的收益来在于一个一个small or big bet,所以要respect每一个
bet
该fold的一个子也不能多出，该value的一点也不能放过
4，一种调整收入产出的打法是选择10％的起手牌，preflop绝不limp，要么fold，
要么raise。flop不管hit没hit都是Cbet，但遇反抗要及时撤退.
总之，L比NL更难盈利，因为无法有效捕鱼.
我上周在各路豪杰聚首LV之际，在local的一个Casino打15／30limit with kill。不知
这里有没有打limit的高手相互探讨？ |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 20 lol. sounds you got so many loose players in WV. what is your winning rate
in term of BB/100 hand in 1-2NL there? Before dealer tip, it should be at
least 50BB/100hand ,right?
join
before
like
under |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 21 Irvine, broadcom???
40BB 是shallow stack cash game. 网上也有50bb买入的cash game.
bicycle好像还举办过WPT.
40BB |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 22 online MTT. there were around 30 ppl left in the tourney and I had
about 50BB and was one of the chip leader( top 5 in chip stack). the blind
and ante are quite high.
A relative tight player open shoved in MP for about 15-16BB, everybody
else folded. I was at BB with 77.
should I call this shove from ICM point of view?
thanks
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 23 30ppl left, and top 5 CL got 50bb, isnt it already in the money?
anyways, it is a clear fold to me. |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 24 如果turn被3-bet，你就准备get in了？如果被人家higher flush cooler了，150BB是
不是有点多啊。我觉得他如果中了set 或者2 pair，应该会在flop raise 我。所以他
那种board下在turn bet，10% made flush, 40% semi bluff with all kinds of draw
, 50% weak hand bluffing (maybe has one pair but he think have no showdown
value). 但是那90%情况下我raise，他可能就fold了，我也赢不了多少，而那10%却一
下子输150BB，是不是有点多？ 按概率说 150BB*0.1< 50BB*0.9,似乎也应该get in。
bet
played
just
think |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 25 I am confused. what do u mean by "按概率说 150BB*0.1< 50BB*0.9"?
draw
。 |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 26 我还有150BB左右，10%可能性，他有higher flush，我输掉这150BB。pot里面已经大约
有500多的dead money，90%的可能性，我raise，他fold（假设我raise 够大，他不
chase他的flushdraw）。 那我赢50BB
所以EV= -150*0.1+50*0.9>0 , 所以check raise还是+EV的。其实只要他有made
flush的可能性<30%, check raise 应该是+EV |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 27 其实Limit 在很多方面是值得大书特书的。只是目前Limit已经沦为old school们的游戏
同样的盲注，Limit的swing不比NL小...
平均下来每10把赢一把，然后还要比一般人紧，选择起首牌更严格，可能差不多
一个小时才能赢上一把，还未必是大pot。想Bluff也很难奏效
50BB坐下来，很有可能一把没赢都全出去了 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 28 your river shove is a big over bet (more than 120BB to a 50BB pot) and very
polarized. i guess he's thinking, you either have a nut flush (and hope he h
as a K high flush), or it's a bluff and your card has no show down value (no
pair, maybe not even A high). then he decides to call.
,
calls |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 29 You probably gave Y too much benefit of doubt. These guys do min raise and
min 3-bet with suited connectors all the time -- they all know that. And
calling a min 3-bet OOP with SC is fine given that they got 50BB stack and 1
to 4.5 odds. It is much better than calling a 3-bet with ATo, since with
that you never know where you are even when you pair your ace.
Personally, I think it is so obvious that X at least got a straight.
Otherwise it is such a stone cold bluff. With 15 ppl left in the WSOP ... 阅读全帖 |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 30 OP was a very good sng player and dominated the high stake sng at partypoker
, but there were rumors he was broke.
there is a post reveals his poor bankroll management and probably gambling
problems.
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=4
one crazy story from his post:
I remember once, I was in Sterling, Ill. for a pool tournament, and there
was a card game going on during the tournament. It was like a 2/4 omaha 8/b
game. Anyway, one of the guys in the game asked if anyo... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 31 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Yeah! Cake rarely has overlay -- life is not that sweet. :-)
But I do think last minute buyin is always +EV. This is true even for
regular MTTs. Lets see an example. Say a regular MTT has 1000 players with $
10k prize pool and 5000 starting chips. After 1 hour, 500 busted. So we have
500 players left and 10000 average chips. Lets simplify the case and say
that a player with the average stack size has 10k / 500 = $20 equity.Then I
joined at the last minute. I paid $10+fee and got 5000 chips, which is h... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 32 前言：
哥一直跟朋友讲，打牌绝对不能无脑模式化，要有质疑精神，钻研精神。可是哥自己始
终还是无法坚决贯彻。浪费了真金白银买来的hm2的大好资源。每天貌似打很多手牌，
但是打过算过，也不复盘总结，这样下去真的是白白浪费中年的大好时光。
哥最终还是下定决心，牺牲tourney被knockout之后打dota的时间，每天花个半小时看
看复盘、写写扑克日记。
背景介绍：
哥就是屌丝中的战斗机...
2010年6月充值，从online micro stake 6－max cash game和freeroll、micro buy－
in tournament开始打起，享受着上上下下的快感，前后投入总额270刀，逐步升级，
2013年之前主打50NL 6－max cash game ＋ 3刀至11刀买入级别的tourney，盈利不错
。2013年头2个月running super good，重心逐步转到tourney，对tourney strategy、
心理控制以及资金管理方面有一点点心得(虽然skill set还属中下游，每天还在不停的
犯错)。哥完全依靠数据打牌。最喜欢说的两句话，it dep... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 33 1 3K 1R/1A 11 + 10 + 10
2 3K 1R/1A 60 + 55 + 55
3 2K 22
4 3K Turbo 1R/1A 44 + 40
5 4K R/1A 11 + 10 + 10
6 4.5K 33
哥觉得自己是属青蛙的：
1号，11bb a5o在UTG推没人接。k9o，小盲位3bet shove 11bb，CL kq call，挂
3 号，庄家位15bb AQo 3bb open，小盲flat，flop 84Jr cbet ½/call了小盲位
橙色玩家的raise shove，对方亮出 83s and hold（好吧），挂
6 号，AKo 4bet shove to 50bb jj，输到只剩10bb。大盲位用a4o 9bb squeeze 一个
松哥ep 2bb的open以及后面一群松哥flat的4-way的pot，庄家位平call/reshove with
ATs，CO玩家，用... 阅读全帖 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 34 nope. move on.
50BB stack, KK, 除非pre没有action然后flop各种吓人（比如AQJr之类）要不然怎么
也进去了... |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 35 hero image, tag, thinking player (usually think too long no matter what hand
he has, lol)
villain image, loose, read people, and able to make move, wild range, was
back from on tilt and has 350bb stack
hero has villain covered
table starts to be very loose, since several players got 200bb+ stack
here is the hand, ep raised to 4bb, 3 callers(including MP villain), hero
with Qh7h call at button
Flop Qs3d6s, pot 20bb(in original post it was 40bb as typo), check to hero,
hero bet 10bb, villain call,... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 36 尼玛呀 神奇还在继续 一上来就输掉两个preflop 7比3，接着又输一个100bb的flip和
另一个50bb的flip 要不是有人救哥 又要一个4 buyin的down session了 尼玛呀 哥要
挺住啊
求助 怎么发包子 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 37 $10+1 buyin, 300 entries MTT, 5 players left
after ante and blinds
HJ 19bb solid
CO 17bb solid
BTN 50bb table is tight except btn who open 1/3 hands, with very high cbet%,
table rarely 3bet including btn, no deep fighting so far
SB 15bb rock
BB 2bb rock
HJ fold,
CO who long time no open, 2bb open with AQo
BTN shove, all fold
CO? |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 38 最后的heads up从50bb each开始，整整打了近一个小时，最后在各自30bb的时候，哥
overcards bet/crying call flop shove，成功suckout，哈哈哈哈 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 39 final 5，hero stack 24bb，open 2bb with t6s, loose chips leader called at sb
with 50bb stack，amateur short stack bb called as well with 9bb left。
flop 9TJr, CL check, bb quickly shove the rest, hero tank and reshove 20ish
bb
sb fold, bb showed J7o and hold.
本来想拼个大血瓶带些正能量，结果功亏一篑，尼玛，以后再犯这样的错误，立马上
acr hu，捐掉100bb |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 40 对于一个新手玩50BB max game，两个建议，
（1）更加TAG，不玩需要implied odds的牌，比如small pair/small suited
connector. 就像那个243场输三场的大侠一样，AQ+。
（2）像前版大学习，hit and run. |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 41 对于一个新手玩50BB max game，两个建议，
（1）更加TAG，不玩需要implied odds的牌，比如small pair/small suited
connector. 就像那个243场输三场的大侠一样，AQ+。
（2）像前版大学习，hit and run. |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 42 final 5，
stacks:
UTG (hero)18bb
MP 30bb
CO 50bb
BTN 17bb
SB 45bb
BB 19bb
hero(little loose image) with TT, open 2bb
tight MP 3bet to 5bb, all fold
hero? |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 43 似乎哥每次升级，第一个session都要遭受3个buyin的打击，这次也不例外。印象较深
的两手牌，决定了哥悲剧的走向。
hand 1，哥btn跟注CO的open，flop有draw 同花面，对手cbet，哥call，turn T，成同
花，对手一个大barrel，哥call，river blank，pot里65bb，对手2/3第三barrel，哥
推，对手tank call with set ten
hand 2，limp pot，哥在btn位with 44，flop 4s6s9s，pot 4bb，check到哥，哥bet
3bb，one caller，turn 4，pot大约10bb吧，对手check，哥bet 4bb，对手call，
river 7s，对手tank然后直接bet 50bb。哥心里有点小纠结，但是还是reshove了大概
总共100bb，对手秒call
艾玛，哥真的hate life了 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 44 why limping with AA here is suicide?
yes, you invite more ppl to come in, but as long as you can re-evaluate post
flop, AA is just another hand.
with 50BB deep stack, limping has its value, let alone potential light
squeezes.
medium |
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p******e
发帖数: 327 | 45 2. Money bubble hand by hand play: Hero just joined a new table for 1 round
and didn't play a hand yet. Villain is a young gun and plays well as I can
tell.
UTG with over 40BB raised to 2.xBB.
Villain (~50BB stack) at CO called.
Hero (~22BB stack) at SB with 88 raised to 6.xBB.
UTG fold. Villain all in.
Is that definitely a fold here for hero? |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 46 很多人讨论过西安小周的线上水平到底如何。根据PokerNews的消息，来自亚洲的线上
高额玩家真实身份揭晓。该网站称“澳门高额玩家 Paul Phua就是MalACEsia，而Chun
Lei Zhou 就是samrostan，之前的ID是patpatpanda。“
根据扑克新闻的说法，patpatpanda 这个账号输掉了260万美元。也就是说“周输掉了
至少880万美元。”在线上亏损榜上两个账号分别排在第4位和第12位。尽管常年水下，
他似乎没有在意。“没问题。以前我只打无限德州扑克，有时没人和我打。所以我学了
其他游戏，输掉了不少钱。我喜欢打扑克。”
我们来看看网友是怎么讨论的。
@scorpiozm：线上线下根本是两种游戏。
@Nick_魏：什么水平完全不重要啊，即使线上最高额的crusher说不定这辈子和他坐在
一桌的资格都没有。
@自由于风：PS线上NL200水平其实和最高额差不了多少，差别可能就是资金实力，和人
的性格了。战胜NL200的人，你给他足够的资金，冒险的性格，他就可以站在最高额的
桌上。
@扑克圈那点事儿：NL400以上的reg或者Pro ，按技术来说很多人都... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 47 这种桌子比较好打 而且实际上variance 相对较小
你有大牌基本上都会被payoff
所以问题不在于对手 而在于你自己
不知道你所说的自己范围紧 是怎么个紧法
比如前位AJs会不会open进池 或者说是limp，pocket pairs是不是总想去mine set，愿
意call raise。
如果是，那基本上，不算太紧，而且人一多，也赢不了什么大锅，并且容易被人cooler。
所以哥的建议是，你可以先试着只玩QQ+/AK，哪怕一晚上玩不了几手牌，也不要变策略
。起始筹码永远80bb到100bb。一旦拿到这些牌，永远take lead进局，open大概10bb左
右，如果是3bet，大概是个potsize on top，在绝大多数的情况下，flop一个重cbet，
争取turn commit。当碰到实在太烂的flop，比如你拿QQ，flop akx，多人的情况下，
可以选择check/fold，除此之外无脑commit。
这种策略的要点如下
1 要忍得住！哪怕JJ也好，AQs也罢，fold！
2 拿到大牌进局之后，把脸遮住，手不要抖。（因为太长时间不进局，难免情绪上会有
波动，建议... 阅读全帖 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 48 so, 25/hr @1/2 -> 13bb/hr -> 25hands/hour -> 50bb/100...这么高
Played |
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g***e
发帖数: 577 | 49 打了一晚上，就是先挖个大坑又填坑。。。
先late register a tournament, found out entered with 10bb,...都怪没看仔细
blind level.很快第一个all in 就wiped out.
还是回去打6table cash,开始还不错, 50% return，结果一个bad beat lost all,
pocket 99 vs pocket 44, flop A94, both side keep raising and all in on flop
but river comes 4...
不爽换了张桌子乱打一阵，没牌没状态，输了一半决定用剩下的钱再去搞一把
tournament，这次看了是50bb起手的。进去后不敢乱动，还好在被磨没之前来了AA，正
好3家all in, AA holds...后来又来了2两把AA,一把AK终于混到前9把前面挖的坑填上
了，后来AT all in wiped out by JJ...
tournament里怎么搞啊，动不动就是3bet， all in，这个运气的成分太重了。。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 50 基本就是这样。
几千,几万手run 得hot,发现对手很差，很鱼，自己很牛X, 觉得30-50bb/100 hand 也
是轻而易举， 几个bad run 后发现盈率还是那么点在预期的值上下浮动， 然后觉得自
己很傻X. rince and repeat...... |
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