b****g
发帖数: 18 | 1 $1/$2 no-limit cash game 9 人桌。
我在BB，筹码$210。我手牌KcQc。
preflop: 包括我共5人limp in，包括MP，Button. Pot: $10
flop: Ks8h4d, check 到Button，他bet $10, 我call，MP call，其他人fold。Pot: $
40. MP 和 Button的筹码比我多一点。
Turn：Qh，我check，MP check，Button bet $20, 我 call， MP reraise 到40，
Button call，这时pot $140, 我 all in 大概$180, MP call, Button fold.
River: 8d
MP 亮出手中的两个8，quad-8，won the pot。我意识到我all in时已经输了。
请问我当时应该all in吗？这手牌应该怎么打？ | e*****e
发帖数: 119 | 2 我也不是老手,不过支持下.要我打 preflop raise to $10, then lead flop.
hits top 2 pair on turn, dry board, can't fold unless there s a read | j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 3 IMHO, it is a cooler and very little you can do.
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【在 b****g 的大作中提到】
: $1/$2 no-limit cash game 9 人桌。
: 我在BB，筹码$210。我手牌KcQc。
: preflop: 包括我共5人limp in，包括MP，Button. Pot: $10
: flop: Ks8h4d, check 到Button，他bet $10, 我call，MP call，其他人fold。Pot: $
: 40. MP 和 Button的筹码比我多一点。
: Turn：Qh，我check，MP check，Button bet $20, 我 call， MP reraise 到40，
: Button call，这时pot $140, 我 all in 大概$180, MP call, Button fold.
: River: 8d
: MP 亮出手中的两个8，quad-8，won the pot。我意识到我all in时已经输了。
: 请问我当时应该all in吗？这手牌应该怎么打？
| a**********g
发帖数: 104 | 4 losing 100BB with top two pairs is ok.
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【在 b****g 的大作中提到】
: $1/$2 no-limit cash game 9 人桌。
: 我在BB，筹码$210。我手牌KcQc。
: preflop: 包括我共5人limp in，包括MP，Button. Pot: $10
: flop: Ks8h4d, check 到Button，他bet $10, 我call，MP call，其他人fold。Pot: $
: 40. MP 和 Button的筹码比我多一点。
: Turn：Qh，我check，MP check，Button bet $20, 我 call， MP reraise 到40，
: Button call，这时pot $140, 我 all in 大概$180, MP call, Button fold.
: River: 8d
: MP 亮出手中的两个8，quad-8，won the pot。我意识到我all in时已经输了。
: 请问我当时应该all in吗？这手牌应该怎么打？
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 5 Nothing wrong for your play. But I may just call on the turn raise
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【在 b****g 的大作中提到】
: $1/$2 no-limit cash game 9 人桌。
: 我在BB，筹码$210。我手牌KcQc。
: preflop: 包括我共5人limp in，包括MP，Button. Pot: $10
: flop: Ks8h4d, check 到Button，他bet $10, 我call，MP call，其他人fold。Pot: $
: 40. MP 和 Button的筹码比我多一点。
: Turn：Qh，我check，MP check，Button bet $20, 我 call， MP reraise 到40，
: Button call，这时pot $140, 我 all in 大概$180, MP call, Button fold.
: River: 8d
: MP 亮出手中的两个8，quad-8，won the pot。我意识到我all in时已经输了。
: 请问我当时应该all in吗？这手牌应该怎么打？
| g****j
发帖数: 776 | 6 MP raise at turn is a sign of getting beat. Overall u have 100 bb so tough
to lay down if u have 200 bb and MP put u all in then lay down will be much
easier.
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【在 b****g 的大作中提到】
: $1/$2 no-limit cash game 9 人桌。
: 我在BB，筹码$210。我手牌KcQc。
: preflop: 包括我共5人limp in，包括MP，Button. Pot: $10
: flop: Ks8h4d, check 到Button，他bet $10, 我call，MP call，其他人fold。Pot: $
: 40. MP 和 Button的筹码比我多一点。
: Turn：Qh，我check，MP check，Button bet $20, 我 call， MP reraise 到40，
: Button call，这时pot $140, 我 all in 大概$180, MP call, Button fold.
: River: 8d
: MP 亮出手中的两个8，quad-8，won the pot。我意识到我all in时已经输了。
: 请问我当时应该all in吗？这手牌应该怎么打？
| k*******u
发帖数: 266 | 7 All in on the turn is fine, I do not see anything wrong here. You can choose
to call here (but you should still think you have the best hand right now),
the river 8 'might' save you some money, but I would push here most of time
. Take it easy, just standard variance.
The only thing I do not like is that you should raise preflop most of the
time. I do not know how you play in general, occasionally check to balance
your range is fine. Again, I do not see your opponent will fold in this hand
, so does not really matter how you played for this particular case.
If you know your opponent well and put him on a tight player, by raising pre
and if he choose to fast play his set, you may still have slight chance to
get away from the hand..... | p****t
发帖数: 292 | 8 The turn all-in was really bad. Ask yourself this, what hand do you get
value from and what better hands fold to your raise?
The answer is, very few and none. | k*******u
发帖数: 266 | 9 You must play against nit players way too often. Many hands will call here,
especially in weak game like $1/$2.
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: The turn all-in was really bad. Ask yourself this, what hand do you get
: value from and what better hands fold to your raise?
: The answer is, very few and none.
| p****t
发帖数: 292 | 10 List those many hands.
,
【在 k*******u 的大作中提到】
: You must play against nit players way too often. Many hands will call here,
: especially in weak game like $1/$2.
| | | k*******u
发帖数: 266 | 11 Loose players will limp with any suited cards, or even not suited.
1. Made two pairs - Q8,Q4,84,K8,K4. (According to your theory, if a nit have
KQ, he will fold to my shove - Oh my god, he shoved, he must have nuts here
- sweet! )
2. Suited connectors like 6h7h, 5h6h, JhTh, Jh9h
3. Suited K with Kh, or even any two hearts with Ah.
4. AK,KJ also may call here, bad players/gamblers may call with any K and
hope to catch his two pairs on the rivers.
Considering limp pot, light bet on the flop and the stack, shoving is a good
way to get value. | H*********n
发帖数: 1397 | 12 几个对手的stack size你最好也讲一下，他们的style如果知道的话也更好一点。就你
提供的这点情况分析一下，preflop KcQc at BB 最好raise一下，减少人数，因为你的
position不好。
Flop之后你slow play top pair. 我个人是偏向于这个情况下不slow play的，因为1.
牌不算很大 2. 还是你的position不好。，当然，要slow play也行，只是turn的时候
要非常小心一些，尤其是后面的人并没有全部fold的时候。
MP call了，这时候你就应该特别注意他了。
Turn出来后, 因为你没有说另外两个对手的stack size，所以不太容易分析得很准，不
过他的check-raise $40确实很像一个新手的slow play一个set的玩法，前面说了flop
的时候他call了你就该特别注意他了，现在其实已经是风险很高了，结果偏偏这时候你
all in $180, 着就是这局最大的失误了。
MP手里可能的牌只有88，44，Q8s. 我排出掉K8，因为如果是K8，估计flop后就check-
raise了，不会等到turn. 88,44和Q8s里面你只能beat Q8s, 但是我估计Q8s不会call你
的$180 all in的。所以你这个all in是没有赢钱的可能的，只有输的可能。假设你只
是call的话，river 8，这时候Q8s也beat你的KQ了，倒是可以少输不少钱了。呵呵
Button的牌估计是KJ, KT, K9s，Q8。也有可能是5h6h, 5h7h, 6h7h。如果知道他的
stack size的话可能可以再精确一些。
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【在 b****g 的大作中提到】
: $1/$2 no-limit cash game 9 人桌。
: 我在BB，筹码$210。我手牌KcQc。
: preflop: 包括我共5人limp in，包括MP，Button. Pot: $10
: flop: Ks8h4d, check 到Button，他bet $10, 我call，MP call，其他人fold。Pot: $
: 40. MP 和 Button的筹码比我多一点。
: Turn：Qh，我check，MP check，Button bet $20, 我 call， MP reraise 到40，
: Button call，这时pot $140, 我 all in 大概$180, MP call, Button fold.
: River: 8d
: MP 亮出手中的两个8，quad-8，won the pot。我意识到我all in时已经输了。
: 请问我当时应该all in吗？这手牌应该怎么打？
| k*******u
发帖数: 266 | 13 No offense, after reviewing a few guys' comments here, I am wondering how
many of you are the winning players in $1/$2. Most of you seems to play way
too tight - which is not a bad thing, and you can be a long time winner in
this game. However, considering live $1/$2 game, if you do not always try to
maximize your profit when you have a hand, how can you make your money in
this game? The rakes are so high that if all play like nits, you should just
leave the table, the casino is the biggest winner for sure, and you are
definitely not even the second biggest winner no matter how good you are -
the dealers will always be the second biggest winner since they have
consistent tips.
I am not saying some of you play really bad, just from my point of view, if
play that way, no point to waste time in live $1/$2 game. | M********g
发帖数: 717 | 14 If villain had 2,3 or 4, would he min raise ott? Probably not or more.
have
here
good
【在 k*******u 的大作中提到】
: Loose players will limp with any suited cards, or even not suited.
: 1. Made two pairs - Q8,Q4,84,K8,K4. (According to your theory, if a nit have
: KQ, he will fold to my shove - Oh my god, he shoved, he must have nuts here
: - sweet! )
: 2. Suited connectors like 6h7h, 5h6h, JhTh, Jh9h
: 3. Suited K with Kh, or even any two hearts with Ah.
: 4. AK,KJ also may call here, bad players/gamblers may call with any K and
: hope to catch his two pairs on the rivers.
: Considering limp pot, light bet on the flop and the stack, shoving is a good
: way to get value.
| H*********n
发帖数: 1397 | 15 I assumed LZ's talking about online $1/$2. If he's talking about live $1/$2
game as you assumed, that would be a totally different story. Online $1/$2
is a mix of fish and shark. Live $1/$2 is a fish pond. It's really easy to
win money at live $1/$2. But considering: 1. Rake percentage 2. Tip
percentage 3. Playing only 1 table, it doesn't worth the time. I'd rather
play four $1/$2 tables simultaneously online. The game would be tougher but
the hourly rate is higher.
Occasionally I played live $1/$2. That's when I just wanted pure fun,
especially when I was drunk at casino. I played any two cards at any
position at live $1/$2 table, because the cards are not that important any
more.
way
to
just
【在 k*******u 的大作中提到】
: No offense, after reviewing a few guys' comments here, I am wondering how
: many of you are the winning players in $1/$2. Most of you seems to play way
: too tight - which is not a bad thing, and you can be a long time winner in
: this game. However, considering live $1/$2 game, if you do not always try to
: maximize your profit when you have a hand, how can you make your money in
: this game? The rakes are so high that if all play like nits, you should just
: leave the table, the casino is the biggest winner for sure, and you are
: definitely not even the second biggest winner no matter how good you are -
: the dealers will always be the second biggest winner since they have
: consistent tips.
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 16 "Online $1/$2 is a mix of fish and shark. Live $1/$2 is a fish pond."
classic | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 发现我的水平比以前下降得很历害。 都是live 1/2 打太多了。
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: "Online $1/$2 is a mix of fish and shark. Live $1/$2 is a fish pond."
: classic
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 18 其实mm老湿 “不要在live还是online的问题上纠结”应该是你的原话吧
是你一语点醒我这个梦中人 哥感激不尽 | D********2
发帖数: 2153 | 19 你一开始太passive, 然后当有人show strength以后你反而aggresive,typical
beginner mistake, 你flop 就应该bet ,如果你决定call, 不如先bet, 等turn你hit了
2pair,看似变强了牌,其实没太大帮助, 原来能beat你的, 现在被你beat的无非AK,K4,
K8, 都不是很像, 而mp的这个mini check raise (在你call了2条街,基本你的牌不小于
tptk的情况下)在1/2 这种table感觉尤其strong, 要我就flat call, draw一下看看,能
hit boat river就won whole pot
$
【在 b****g 的大作中提到】
: $1/$2 no-limit cash game 9 人桌。
: 我在BB，筹码$210。我手牌KcQc。
: preflop: 包括我共5人limp in，包括MP，Button. Pot: $10
: flop: Ks8h4d, check 到Button，他bet $10, 我call，MP call，其他人fold。Pot: $
: 40. MP 和 Button的筹码比我多一点。
: Turn：Qh，我check，MP check，Button bet $20, 我 call， MP reraise 到40，
: Button call，这时pot $140, 我 all in 大概$180, MP call, Button fold.
: River: 8d
: MP 亮出手中的两个8，quad-8，won the pot。我意识到我all in时已经输了。
: 请问我当时应该all in吗？这手牌应该怎么打？
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 介到底是谁的马甲？。你们Boston 的？
【在 D********2 的大作中提到】
: 你一开始太passive, 然后当有人show strength以后你反而aggresive,typical
: beginner mistake, 你flop 就应该bet ,如果你决定call, 不如先bet, 等turn你hit了
: 2pair,看似变强了牌,其实没太大帮助, 原来能beat你的, 现在被你beat的无非AK,K4,
: K8, 都不是很像, 而mp的这个mini check raise (在你call了2条街,基本你的牌不小于
: tptk的情况下)在1/2 这种table感觉尤其strong, 要我就flat call, draw一下看看,能
: hit boat river就won whole pot
:
: $
| | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 是不要纠结， 但和NL 4的鱼打多了， 打NL100不习惯也很正常。
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 其实mm老湿 “不要在live还是online的问题上纠结”应该是你的原话吧
: 是你一语点醒我这个梦中人 哥感激不尽
| s*********y
发帖数: 284 | 22 原来梨树是boston的梨叔啊，失敬失敬
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 介到底是谁的马甲？。你们Boston 的？
| p****t
发帖数: 292 | 23 It's one thing that he might play those hands preflop. It's another that he
plays those hands preflop AND takes the line on the flop AND takes the line
on turn.
For example, for him to have JhTh here, he needs to limp preflop with it,
check calls on the flop with nothing after a bet and call, and check min-
raises the turn when he picks up a draw, again after a bet and call. It just
doesn't seem likely at all to me.
have
here
good
【在 k*******u 的大作中提到】
: Loose players will limp with any suited cards, or even not suited.
: 1. Made two pairs - Q8,Q4,84,K8,K4. (According to your theory, if a nit have
: KQ, he will fold to my shove - Oh my god, he shoved, he must have nuts here
: - sweet! )
: 2. Suited connectors like 6h7h, 5h6h, JhTh, Jh9h
: 3. Suited K with Kh, or even any two hearts with Ah.
: 4. AK,KJ also may call here, bad players/gamblers may call with any K and
: hope to catch his two pairs on the rivers.
: Considering limp pot, light bet on the flop and the stack, shoving is a good
: way to get value.
| D********2
发帖数: 2153 | 24 其实这里胡扯都没用,要不有机会大家坐下来, 打几个session吧
way
to
just
【在 k*******u 的大作中提到】
: No offense, after reviewing a few guys' comments here, I am wondering how
: many of you are the winning players in $1/$2. Most of you seems to play way
: too tight - which is not a bad thing, and you can be a long time winner in
: this game. However, considering live $1/$2 game, if you do not always try to
: maximize your profit when you have a hand, how can you make your money in
: this game? The rakes are so high that if all play like nits, you should just
: leave the table, the casino is the biggest winner for sure, and you are
: definitely not even the second biggest winner no matter how good you are -
: the dealers will always be the second biggest winner since they have
: consistent tips.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 支持找个地方单挑决胜负。
【在 D********2 的大作中提到】
: 其实这里胡扯都没用,要不有机会大家坐下来, 打几个session吧
:
: way
: to
: just
| D********2
发帖数: 2153 | 26 恩,支持,觉得谁也说服不了谁的,就heads up, 一人一个M, 输光为止, 此真英雄也
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 支持找个地方单挑决胜负。
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 27 强烈推荐隶书上HSP.
【在 D********2 的大作中提到】
: 恩,支持,觉得谁也说服不了谁的,就heads up, 一人一个M, 输光为止, 此真英雄也
| D********2
发帖数: 2153 | 28 你stake我我就上! 2 8分, 你拿80% ,英雄,如何!?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 强烈推荐隶书上HSP.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 高富帅又来戏弄俺们吊丝了。
【在 D********2 的大作中提到】
: 你stake我我就上! 2 8分, 你拿80% ,英雄,如何!?
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