b****g
发帖数: 18 | 1 第一手：
1/2/2$ NL, 看牌要下4$, 9人桌
me: MP+1, $230, KdQh
BTN: $300+
BTN posts 1$, SB posts SB 2$, BB posts BB 2$, UTG limp 4$, fold, fold, I
raises to 15$, fold, fold, BTN call, pot:38$, 2人
flop: Qs4h7c, I bet 30$, BTN call pot: 98 $
turn: 6d, I bet 70$, BTN all in, 我还剩115$, BTN玩了一会儿，形象比较紧，我考
虑了一会, fold了
请教这手牌应该怎么打？
第二手：（完事后我已经意识到自己打得很sb了，但遇到这种情况确实不知道该怎么打
，求指教）
me: BB, $110, AcKs
MP+1: $200+
BTN posts 1$, SB posts SB 2$, BB posts BB 2$, fold, fold, fold, limp 4$, MP+
1 limp 4$, fold, fold, SB call 2$, BB(me) raises to 15$, fold, MP+1 call, SB
fold, pot: 38$, 2人
flop: QhJd7h, I bet 30$, MP+1 call pot: 98$
turn: 6h, 我想装成flush（这里犯2了。。。），all in 65$, MP+1 call, 亮出 AhTh
, 我被扫清回家了
拿到AKo后这种情况我不太知道该怎么打，求高手指点 | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 i guess both hands you didn't really take position into consideration and as
a result, somehow overplayed.
hand 1, if he's indeed tight, then after calling you preflop and a strong
bet on flop, you should slow down and re-evaluate on the turn, instead of
betting strong again. now you invested $115 or half of your stack, without
position, you pushed yourself into a tough situation with TP only.
the board was pretty dry, i guess you're up against a made hand like 77/44
or even QQ/KK/AA. his shove was for you to call, because you played like AA/
KK/AQ too. i doubt he could shove with even AQ here.
in a word, your hand was face up and he got the most powerful weapon (
position) to torture you.
not a bad fold though, too many ppl pay others off here with trash TP.
hand 2, again, without position, do NOT get into a bad habit of c-betting
too often, you're turning your hand into a bluff. sometimes you miss the
flop, admit it that you miss it only for $15 (you still have $95 left!).
without Ah in your hand, it's really hard to represent a flush here out of
position.
【在 b****g 的大作中提到】
: 第一手：
: 1/2/2$ NL, 看牌要下4$, 9人桌
: me: MP+1, $230, KdQh
: BTN: $300+
: BTN posts 1$, SB posts SB 2$, BB posts BB 2$, UTG limp 4$, fold, fold, I
: raises to 15$, fold, fold, BTN call, pot:38$, 2人
: flop: Qs4h7c, I bet 30$, BTN call pot: 98 $
: turn: 6d, I bet 70$, BTN all in, 我还剩115$, BTN玩了一会儿，形象比较紧，我考
: 虑了一会, fold了
: 请教这手牌应该怎么打？
| b****g
发帖数: 18 | 3 谢大神指点！
第一手，我在turn的时候应该bet少一点还是check fold？
你说的挺对的，对position的考虑我还没形成本能，每次都要刻意提醒自己一下自己是
什么position对手是什么，遇到tough situation脑子一热就欠考虑了。
我拿到大牌raise后（比如第二手的AKo），flop如果没hit到，我经常会担心如果我
check了，对手会bluff我，所以就bet了，这时候正确的思路应该是怎么样的？
第二手的情况下，大多数时候我是应该flop后bet一下，然后turn上check fold，还是
在flop时直接check fold？
另外，平时可以怎么找到机会锻炼提高一下？周围朋友玩的人不多，也没人认真研究，
网上玩假钱似乎起不到锻炼的目的，去赌场玩输的太多了（玩了几次输了1000多刀了，
对本人的经济水平来说太贵了），我能怎么找机会锻炼一下？
as
AA/
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i guess both hands you didn't really take position into consideration and as
: a result, somehow overplayed.
: hand 1, if he's indeed tight, then after calling you preflop and a strong
: bet on flop, you should slow down and re-evaluate on the turn, instead of
: betting strong again. now you invested $115 or half of your stack, without
: position, you pushed yourself into a tough situation with TP only.
: the board was pretty dry, i guess you're up against a made hand like 77/44
: or even QQ/KK/AA. his shove was for you to call, because you played like AA/
: KK/AQ too. i doubt he could shove with even AQ here.
: in a word, your hand was face up and he got the most powerful weapon (
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 hand 1: don't be worried of being bluffed. yes, it happens but far less
often in low stakes than you might think. oftentimes actually it's us who
talk ourselves into a hero/impulsive call (and ignore a lot of strong
indications), and then kick ourselves hard at the show down.
for this hand, you noticed he's tight already, and on this dry board, unless
he's extremely familiar with your play style, it's very unlikely he'd:
1) chase big and catch a gutshot str8;
2) or hit 6 on the turn;
3) or float you with total air on flop and decide to take it down when you
bet again.
against this type of players, i'd even bet a little less on flop, $20-25,
and check fold to a strong bet on the turn. he's not likely to play losing
hands QJ, QT, TT/99 alike this way at all.
TP out of position is a sticky situation, a lot of times i even check flop,
but it's only me.
hand 2: again, you're actually "bluffing" yourself without position and with
short stack here.
yes, it feels "bad and stupid" after you fold then your opponents laugh and
turn over total air, or even worse, never show, and keep you wonder all
night long.....
but this is exactly the power of position, i.e., he got more options than
you and a better chance to make better decisions based on more information.
unless you have strong reasons, you should just do the right thing to check
fold. by betting out or check calling, you're committing a lot chips (in
ratio of your short stack) and still look like a sitting duck.
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you can watch a lot of hands and how others play while you're not in a hand.
this is the best way to learn in live. it helps you:
1) observe your opponents for your own good;
2) learn new moves you don't know.
online, go look for some good training videos.
【在 b****g 的大作中提到】
: 谢大神指点！
: 第一手，我在turn的时候应该bet少一点还是check fold？
: 你说的挺对的，对position的考虑我还没形成本能，每次都要刻意提醒自己一下自己是
: 什么position对手是什么，遇到tough situation脑子一热就欠考虑了。
: 我拿到大牌raise后（比如第二手的AKo），flop如果没hit到，我经常会担心如果我
: check了，对手会bluff我，所以就bet了，这时候正确的思路应该是怎么样的？
: 第二手的情况下，大多数时候我是应该flop后bet一下，然后turn上check fold，还是
: 在flop时直接check fold？
: 另外，平时可以怎么找到机会锻炼提高一下？周围朋友玩的人不多，也没人认真研究，
: 网上玩假钱似乎起不到锻炼的目的，去赌场玩输的太多了（玩了几次输了1000多刀了，
| D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 5 其实这两手都是很值得讨论的例子。
对现场低额来说，Open+C-betting 几乎是最有效的积累筹码的方式。
而KQ，AK就是最典型的这样的起手牌。后位的话最为理想。前位的话，
则要小心，适当混合一些Limp KQ，KJ，以及limp-3bet AK。
理想情况是有三到四个caller，如果heads up则打法更为细微。
如果每次都只有一两人call，我可能会降低一下open数额到12左右
以我的习惯，如果我在pre open，没有人3bet，C-bet几乎是100%
量以半池大概25$为准.
Bet如果赢锅，最好。
如果有人call，则turn的打法则比较精细，多数情况下针对紧手
Check-Call（如果hit），or Check Fold（如果miss）
如果面对的是比较难缠的对手，有可能看穿你的openCbet模式，
Flop call floating，此时有必要turn 开第二枪或者根据情况Check-raise。
第一手牌，turn size 有些大（我也常不注意这点，潜意识是怕人追上)，其实太大了
就进入了folded worse,trapped by better 的失误。35$-40$可能比较合适，可以继续
Value QJ，QT等。一般来说这里很少有人用AQ甚至两对All in的，多半是Flop set。
这里多半要fold了
第二手，筹码太浅，如果有机会做个 3 bet shove最好。这里的flop hit到对手的
range太多，Cbet被call之后check turn 是必然的。
【在 b****g 的大作中提到】
: 第一手：
: 1/2/2$ NL, 看牌要下4$, 9人桌
: me: MP+1, $230, KdQh
: BTN: $300+
: BTN posts 1$, SB posts SB 2$, BB posts BB 2$, UTG limp 4$, fold, fold, I
: raises to 15$, fold, fold, BTN call, pot:38$, 2人
: flop: Qs4h7c, I bet 30$, BTN call pot: 98 $
: turn: 6d, I bet 70$, BTN all in, 我还剩115$, BTN玩了一会儿，形象比较紧，我考
: 虑了一会, fold了
: 请教这手牌应该怎么打？
| s*********f
发帖数: 155 | 6 Hand 1: Villain's range is pretty wide and the pot odds is too good to pass.
Calling the all-in is a no-brainer.
The pot has $98+$70x2+$115=$353, so the pot odds is $353:$115=3:1. Only need
~25% chance of winning to call.
Villain's range:
A. Made strong hands: a set: QQ, 44, 77, 66 (66 fits action particularly
well). Or a straight 35 (much less likely to call both preflop and flop
though)
B. TP: AQ, KQ, QJ, although less likely to go all in on the turn.
C. One pair with a draw: 45, 78, 57. You are the favorite here and these
hands fit the action very well.
D. Two pairs, such as 67, 46. You have ~10% chance to draw out with 5 outs
on the river.
E. A bluff.
If villain flops a set and has position, he is better off just calling on
the turn to maximize his winning. The board is so dry that no river card can
hurt him. On the river, hero may bet again. If not, villain can still value
bet. The fact that the villain pushed all-in reduces his chance of having a
set.
It is certainly better to check/call on the turn.
【在 D*A 的大作中提到】
: 其实这两手都是很值得讨论的例子。
: 对现场低额来说，Open+C-betting 几乎是最有效的积累筹码的方式。
: 而KQ，AK就是最典型的这样的起手牌。后位的话最为理想。前位的话，
: 则要小心，适当混合一些Limp KQ，KJ，以及limp-3bet AK。
: 理想情况是有三到四个caller，如果heads up则打法更为细微。
: 如果每次都只有一两人call，我可能会降低一下open数额到12左右
: 以我的习惯，如果我在pre open，没有人3bet，C-bet几乎是100%
: 量以半池大概25$为准.
: Bet如果赢锅，最好。
: 如果有人call，则turn的打法则比较精细，多数情况下针对紧手
| z*******y
发帖数: 578 | 7 新手的话 如果想玩2/5 live game, 可以试试以下方法。基本原则就是tight，这样可
以基本可以避免输很多钱。高手就可以略过下面简单粗暴的方法了 ：）
基本上是在桌上多看多学习，少出手，因为是新手嘛，这样可以减少犯错误的机会。
stack size： 上200，就是middle size stack，这样打发相对比较灵活，而且自己压
力也小
起手牌：要tight，像KQs之类的牌如果在early 到middle position， 要勇敢的fold掉
。或者便宜看翻牌。或者再late position 前面有几家call raise，这时候pot odds比
较好，也可以进去看，这样一旦中了two pair或者big draw，可以有很好的odds。更不
用说KQo了，更得坚决fold掉，不要玩什么raise的，尤其是stack不是很深的时候。这
些牌最容易出问题，怕的牌太多了。没必要risk自己的stack
一般一两个小时等到一把打牌 QQ，KK，AA，好好打， 虽然有时候也会bad beat，但大
部分还是会赢个1-2百。一两个小时赢这么多已经不算少了。
，
99-JJ看情况
22-88 不要call大的raise和别人heads up，多个人的pot可以考虑进来等set
每个人得到好牌的概率都一样，要保证的就是你有好牌的时候还有钱，所以不要在一些
problematic hands上risk/
以上仅适用新手，简单粗暴，也不用太多分析别人的打法。3/5桌上也不都是高手，很
多低手。要有耐心，还是有希望少输钱的。多观察，从高手那里学习。 |
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