w*****y
发帖数: 3900 | 1 youtube上重新看了下我R昨天比赛被吹掉的TD
fake FG, holder throw to TE, TD,裁判扔旗，illegal receiver downfield,TD
nullified,罚出FG range,看录像,Left Tackle在pass的瞬间确实过线了，但是这个
pass play develop的时间非常长，而且发生的地点far away from the play,看了这么
多年球，感觉这种情况下很少吹，如果这个TD hold，我R当时就21:3领先
http://www.youtube.com/v/A73tyOvDk3A |
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U***5
发帖数: 2796 | 2 这篇专门分析他去年passing的表现的。
http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/2/5/3955720/robert-griffin-iii-in
Just how good was Robert Griffin III this season? Dan Ciarrocchi examines
this with the aid of Pro Football Focus' premium stats.
Tweet (22) Share (74) 133 Comments
No one can deny that Robert Griffin III had a rookie season for the ages.
Every time his offense took the field, the threat of a quick strike in the
form of a bomb or a gashing run took place.
And if you take away the eyeball test and look purely at... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********i
发帖数: 1813 | 3 想起来一个关于onside kick的问题。根据定义，The ball must travel 10 yards
downfield before the kicking team can touch it unless the receiving team
touches it first within 10 yards. If the kickoff doesn't travel 10 yards
downfield the receiving team is not obligated to attempt a return.
那假如知道对方要onside kick，那receiving team可不可以干脆就不接这个球，因为
onside kick规定必须要receving team先touch球，kicking team才有可能recover。所
以干脆不接这个球，岂不是对防守队很有利？ |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 4 你提出了两个问题
1: "或者davis事先告诉裁判我是打lineman，pass block, 不接球。"
你是说, 原来是eligible的接球员, 也能报告给裁判,
说我现在变成INeligible了? 然后就能在LOS上再被队友covered?
甭管他有没有动机这么做, 规则本身能允许他这么做么? 我不清楚.
2: "如果螃蟹树退后一步，Davis再接球，是不是应该判Davis ineligible man
downfield？
因为照这个阵势，Davis好像不是eligible receiver。"
我觉得如果这样, #85当然就是合法的接球员了. 你为什么觉得他不是?
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d********t
发帖数: 4270 | 5 1 Broncos 4-0
Last Week: 2
Peyton Manning has missed (over or underthrown) on 14 throws this season.
Since the start of 2008, QBs have missed at least 14 throws in a single game
36 times.
2 Seahawks 4-0
Last Week: 1
A bad Matt Schaub interception helped the Seahawks leave Houston with a two-
game cushion on the 49ers. It doesn't get easier, though, with a trip to
Indianapolis up next.
3 Saints 4-0
Last Week: 3
On throws deeper than 10 yards downfield, nobody has more catches (1... 阅读全帖 |
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H**********i
发帖数: 1261 | 6 没什么不对的阿 有一个偷袭后方能够稳定1-1 beat对方二线的外接是大家都想要的 但
是龙哥没有九弟的时候不也一样得打球吗...
对司机来说 既然没有靠谱的外接 那么他自己的移动能力就是最好的拉伸防守的武器了
另外从有限的上场机会看到的 他的阅读能力还是可以的(虽然对面都是防守2队)
看看Glennon的阅读能力:
上周对你包的第一个play 第一read downfield 没有机会 第二read左手的rescue TE
有short gain窗口 但是没有出手 又回到downfield 这个时候已经浪费大量时间 而自
己又完全没有规避防守 犹豫中左路TE已经放弃 最后拒绝麻袋强行出手导致悲剧 这个
球直接定下了全场的基调
如果是司机 第一可能会直接选择传TE for 5 yard(有脑子的区别) 第二可能会移动来
extend play(有腿的区别)
当然这都是yy 不过以长脖子作为标杆 不考虑rookie mistake 怎么都应该能beat吧..
阿哈哈 |
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l*****y
发帖数: 4887 | 7 吹得没问题，动作大了点
downfield block要等接到球以后
NCAA Rule Book不好找
NFL Rule Book OPI 第一条就是
Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.
这个球也不是没争议，主要是short field，理论上，AT(or behind) line of
scrimmage上的contact没PI，（要不然各家TE都能拿到无数DPI）
所以一般大约 line of scrimmage5码以内进攻防守都可以互相摸一摸，即不算DPI也不
算OPI……保持在所谓 Incidental contact的程度就不管，这个球从开球到EZ都不到五
码，所以碰一下，挡一下都可以
只是我们动作实在有点大，可能也是着急了，不抬头不举手，那边都TD了还不放……
Kelly说FSU防守有问题也是对的，根本不需要这样，用不到那么wide open，只要能有
接到球的时间就好。错身挡一下就可以了。
而且好像裁判最后宣布的时候说错人了……Kelly觉得更委屈。
Kel... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****y
发帖数: 4887 | 8 you mean BEHIND LOS?
1，这球看replay最多算是at LOS,超出LOS半步，如果你说认为3 yard neutral zone都
算screen pass，而且允许downfield blocking，那么ND-FSU那场也不应该call，
4th-goal at 3，怎么都在neutral zone里面接球的
2，规则上说的是，OPI can not be called at or behind LOS,我的理解是说的犯规地
点，而不是抓球的地点。
3，OPI没有Holding总有，看那个downfield blocking的动作，呵呵 |
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u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 9 下面是有关本年初宾大的另一位自杀学生的文章。
Doors were beginning to open for Madison Holleran. She racked up straight As
, ran track, and pushed her Northern Highlands Regional High School soccer
team to two New Jersey state championships. As she entered her junior year
in 2011, Lehigh University soccer coach Eric Lambinus became a regular at
her matches. Lambinus hoped to recruit Holleran as his center-midfielder,
the most physically taxing and important position in his system. “What
impressed me about Maddy,” he s... 阅读全帖 |
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g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 10 好象一边倒的是：Holmes will beat Edwards, hands down.
因为手里拿着这个黄油手，就去做功课，看到些有意思的：
1. funny thing is Holmes had more drops per receptions last year I believe
than Braylon (VIA ESPN btw)。
Proof => PFF says Holmes had 8 drops in 79 catches Edwards had 35 catches
and 4 drops.
【老美数学是不好啊】
2. I'm going Braylon. Even with his drops the guy commands a lot of
attention. you can't risk leaving him in single coverage because he'll blow
right by you. Whether or not he'll catch it is a different story...
【make my day】... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 11 吹的是ineligible downfield. 应该是发福不是eligible receiver.
Moss没过先。如果过线的话要loss down |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 12 Only an eligible pass receiver may legally catch a forward pass, and only an
eligible receiver may advance beyond the neutral zone if a forward pass
which crosses the neutral zone is thrown. If the pass is received by a non-
eligible receiver, the penalty for the foul "illegal touching" is assessed (
the play is treated as an incomplete pass, unless the ball is downed behind
the line of scrimmage — in either case a down is lost). If an ineligible
receiver is beyond the neutral zone when a forw... 阅读全帖 |
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p******e
发帖数: 52 | 13
It happens a lot.
或
If a certain play breaks down, WRs should keep running and try get some
separation from DBs, QB should keep
searching downfield. It also depends on the circumstances, taking a sack or
throwing the ball away is not a
bad idea most times. |
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c******5
发帖数: 1740 | 14 russelltakehara 认为是大本
Zt from http://bleacherreport.com/articles/906586-5-toughest-nfl-quarterbacks/page/6
Ben Roethlisberger is the toughest quarterback in the NFL because he has two
Super Bowl rings to prove it. With his enormous size and strong legs, Big
Ben extends plays so his receivers can get open downfield.
He has done this season after season and his toughness continues to be his
best attribute. He towers over defensive ends and constantly creates second
chances on passing plays. And it... 阅读全帖 |
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c******5
发帖数: 1740 | 15 russelltakehara 认为是大本
Zt from http://bleacherreport.com/articles/906586-5-toughest-nfl-quarterbacks/page/6
Ben Roethlisberger is the toughest quarterback in the NFL because he has two
Super Bowl rings to prove it. With his enormous size and strong legs, Big
Ben extends plays so his receivers can get open downfield.
He has done this season after season and his toughness continues to be his
best attribute. He towers over defensive ends and constantly creates second
chances on passing plays. And it... 阅读全帖 |
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p****s
发帖数: 3153 | 16 胡说一下，第一个问题算犯规，好像大学不算，所以大学screen pass很好用，但是在
nfl里受限制。如果过了los好像要判ineligible receiver downfield。第二个问题，
如果球离开qb的时候不是在qb的手中向前传的，都算fumble，谁都能抢。
passing |
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f**********n
发帖数: 10757 | 17 一般是 ineligible receiver downfield之类的
OLs |
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D***h
发帖数: 148 | 18
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This is an NCAA rule. In the NFL any forward pass could trigger the
ineligible receiver downfield penalty. |
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z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 19 Take a look at what this 专业人士 said 5 years ago.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2007-04-25-sw-dra
"Oh, man, can Russell flick it," says NFL Network analyst Greg Cosell, who
has broken down film of Russell and Quinn. "Like Elway, he has the ability
to see and make downfield throws 50 yards when he's on the move.
"If you think JaMarcus Russell is one of those special quarterbacks — and
in the NFL right now, there's Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Carson Palmer—
you have to take him. I ... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****y
发帖数: 4887 | 20 呃，话也不能这么说
你赌的Michael Floyd现在也比较挣扎
不过已经开胡，而且Downfield的running block不错
我老 |
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f**********n
发帖数: 10757 | 21 but you have to admit that RGIII contributed significantly to the running
game, not just Alfred Morris. They run full back in the short yardage
situation, they run read option with RGIII, which totally took away pass
rush and aggressive of Giants' DE, which IMHO has been probably the best
part of Giants'D.Giants just had to respect RGIII's running ability.
Redskin's offense is not GT's traditional triple offense. Their OLs are not
just cutting block DLs. They have great zone blocking running and... 阅读全帖 |
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S**********e
发帖数: 852 | 22 Luck在college可不是这么打的，没这么多downfield pass，还是体系和人员的问题 |
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x******2
发帖数: 4034 | 23 节目里有他的draft report：
Poor build
Skinny
Lacks great physical stature and strength
Lacks mobility and ability to aviod the rush
Lacks strong arm
Can't drive the ball downfield
Does not throw really tight spiral
System type player who can get exposed if forced at lip
Get's knocked down easily |
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p****s
发帖数: 3153 | 24 我觉得这是打法决定的，redskins打read option，为了防跑对方二线要上提，所以传
球相对容易。luck的队伍里跑攻很差，需要force ball downfield, 所以int很多 |
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s*****r
发帖数: 477 | 25 既然提到了，我就随便说说乌鸦2012-2013的球员合同问题吧。
根据现有的合同，乌鸦阵容里有49人under contract next year,工资帽总额107M，根据
预计的121M salary cap，还有14M左右的空间。当然，老刘退役，会再腾出4.5M，所以
总共有的空间是18-19M.此外Matt Birk也极有可能退役，会腾出2.5M左右的空间。
关键的自由球员按优先级排序包括:Joe Flacco(QB),Dannell Ellerbe(ILB),Cary
Williams(CB),Paul Kruger(OLB),Ed Reed(FS),Bryant McKinnie(LT).另外还有几个限
制性自由球员，包括Dennis Pitta(TE),Ed Dickson(TE)和Arthur Jones(DT/DE).
先说三个限制性自由球员，这里面没有一个人需要用1轮或者2轮tender，original-
round tender明年是1.33M,就算三个人会占掉4M
再说说乌鸦必须要留的人，包括Joe Flacco和Ellerbe.Joe Flacco的合同估计... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 26 I still could not distinguish the illegal formation, ineligible man
downfield or illegal touching. I knew the definitions of the latter two, but
are they also called illegal formation? |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 27 Illegal touching is on defense, clearly of different nature from the first
two, which are on offense.
You can have a perfectly legal formation, with 7 men on LOS, but if an OL
then goes beyond the LOS before the ball does (on a non-screen/bubble play),
then that's ineligible man downfield.
but |
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f**********n
发帖数: 10757 | 28 大蓝下面解释对的，illegal formation 就是基本的那些东西，多少人LOS上什么的，
可是即使 legal formation，也可能会有很多ineligible man downfield 什么的，因
为很多在LOS 都是ineligible receivers，球没出之前不能冲出 LOS的。
but |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 29 OK, 刚问了我弟弟.
只要是穿了eligible receiver号码的球员, 又是排在LOS上的,
就不能再在外侧被人covered.
我在第14楼的帖子，
关于"including one who is not an offensive lineman"的部份，是错误的。
多出来那个必须还是OL.
所以超级碗里49人这个球, 一旦开球了就是犯规了, 即使他没冲出去;
也是为什么这种犯规叫"illegal formation"而不是"ineligible man downfield".
The former overrides the latter. |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 30 en.这个有道理。解答了我的疑惑。
如果是因为Davis接球，应该判“ illegal touching of forward pass", 如果因为
Davis过了LOS才传球的， 那应该判"ineligible man downfield". 这两个判罚我都见
裁判吹过。说明这两种犯规和illegal formation不同。 |
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n*j
发帖数: 60 | 31 哦对，我没看见毛四站在最外面。这样看，是螃蟹树应该退后一步。
如果螃蟹树退后一步，Davis再接球，是不是应该判Davis ineligible man downfield
？因为照这个阵势，Davis好像不是eligible receiver。 |
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n*j
发帖数: 60 | 32 昨天喝的有点多，看图不仔细，回帖有一些问题。现在认真回一下贴子。
先回2，再1.
2. 看楼上wxx07的图2，我昨天把84号茅斯看成LOS最左边的一个，现在仔细一看，茅斯
已经后退了一步，所以他不在LOS上。这样，either davis or crabtree 后退一步，另
一个就是eligible receiver，应该就没有问题了。
1. again, 昨天我把Davis看成center左边第二个，所以就以为他打OT的位置，那样的
话他就应该向裁判报告。今天仔细看了一下rule book,是这样说的：
Section 3 Changes in Position
REPORTING CHANGE OF POSITION
Article 1 An offensive player wearing the number of an ineligible pass
receiver (50-79 and 90-99) is permitted to line up in the position of an
eligible pass receiver (1-49 and 80-89)... 阅读全帖 |
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p**********g
发帖数: 9385 | 33 这个球还是没有速度，虽然TD了！
老是这样的话，很多tight coverage downfield就没法扔了。 |
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l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 34 he should be happy. more room to run with luck being the qb. in Cleveland,
he was getting the AP treatmen, now he wont need to get downfield yards,
just pound and grind down a few tough yards to sustain the drive and keep
the defenses honest. |
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f**********n
发帖数: 10757 | 35 不管结果怎么样，downfield deep pass还是要传的，你的进攻都在tape上，全是short
pass，防守队员就sit在route上，基本是空间越大越小。以前Kyle Orton，M Cassell
就是这样不行的，现在Alex Smith在Chief也是这样，我很不看好。适当搞几个长传，
就算搞不上，至少让防守队员心理会有点Unbalanced
不过Shaub长传确实很一般 |
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o**********r
发帖数: 1585 | 36 Cornerback Ball Skills
It isn't stressed enough how important ball skills are to being a Great
Cornerback. I've heard too many times, after a cornerback drops a pick, "
That's why he's a cornerback: no hands."
I dislike when people make comments like that. It is a cornerback's
responsibility to make that play.
Your ultimate goal as a Great Cornerback is to not only cover a receiver or
a zone, but to also pick any ball thrown your way and take it to the house (
dance in the endzone with it, and t... 阅读全帖 |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 37
Yes it is still ineligible men downfield |
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H**********i
发帖数: 1261 | 38 为何你们都觉得扔螃蟹是正确的呢
即使真的是1-on-1 对方是顶级的cb 风险很大 这又不是3rd down 时间还有
我就觉得就算ck很会扔球 也不太值得冒这个险 何况他的抛物线边角传球正经是一塌糊涂
跑一下或者是直传downfield有问题吗（这些才是ck强项） 两个TO留着给谁用呢
当然这些现在看来都是马后炮 但假设这球蛇人没tip到 9人拿下比赛 也就没有这些讨
论了 |
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H**********i
发帖数: 1261 | 39 我不同意这个 赌大的不是这么个赌法 不利因素太多
前面一贴已经说过
1- 对方盯防螃蟹树的是顶级cb
2- 扔的球是ck最不擅长
3- 剩余时间充足 有2个to在手 风险回报不成正比
4- 出手时并没有被rush非常狠 有时间考虑其他option
ck的长处和短处这么明显摆在那里 这个球放弃downfield直传和自己跑而选择吊螃蟹树
的远角 怎么看都是以己之短搏人之长 即使是一赌 也是糟糕的一赌 |
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H**********i
发帖数: 1261 | 40 完全同意这个 海鸟这边应该是明显的zone coverage
如果我是qb 我会选择多持球1-2秒 如果ck不会玩小叮当这事板上钉钉 面对区域防守为
何不多拖点时间 一定会有hole出现 之后或跑或downfield pass 何况自己是1st down
外加30秒时间有暂停 有资本玩得起 |
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b*****u
发帖数: 1978 | 41 看到 NFL 管裁判的VP Dean Blandino 的官方解释了，证明了我和大多数评论员、
版上球迷的看法：
(a) 歪客的碰撞不犯规
(b) 歪客是故意撞人
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000316736/article/nfl-wes-
"It was a legal hit" ---- 注意是 hit，既然是 hit，当然是故意的。
"Let's look at the video, and we'll explain why. Here's Welker in the slot.
And the first potential foul would be for offensive pass interference. The
receiver can't block downfield before the ball is touched. So the timing
is important. You see Welker run the route, and he does appear to angle
back tow... 阅读全帖 |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 42
Correct.
If the pass is caught behind the LOS, then OLs can block downfield. |
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d*********o
发帖数: 6388 | 43 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/25/referees-ron-wi
Ron Winter
Scott Green
NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino confirmed to the Associated
Press that referees Ron Winter and Scott Green have both retired. Craig
Wrolstad, a former field judge, and Ronald Torbert, who was a side judge,
will move up to referee positions.
Blandino also announced that two sons of current officials – field judge
Brad Freeman, the son of back judge Steve Freeman, a former player with
Buffalo; an... 阅读全帖 |
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l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 44 人被架空了，脚没有支撑了，还能这样快且准的扔出50码的球。这个我觉得没几个人能
做到。更难的是，还能同时keep eyes downfield on receivers。 |
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y*******5
发帖数: 5023 | 46 球盲试着回答，本来叫的running play，ol可以往前开路。可是qb临时改成passing
play，ol就不能过los了。 |
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l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 50 为了让不能接球的人在传球前不过线。不然，防守没法玩了。一开球，全都一窝蜂过来
了，尼玛，该防谁呀。比如一个外接跟着一个OT后面跑，那个角卫能挡得住。 |
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