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发帖数: 14021 | 1 你说的是给Adams的那个，Adams beat Ryan。先跑的是flat route横着跑， Ryan cut
inside of Adams，Adams突然变向绕个圈跑wheel route went downfield。Ryan一下就
被拉开了。龙哥传的精准，直接传道Adams怀里，都不带调整，不然跑不了这么多yac。 |
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发帖数: 1631 | 2 查到了，就叫pick，靠
What does Pick - football Mean?
An illegal play in which an offensive player attempts to impede the progress
of a downfield defender in order to allow a teammate to get open for a pass
. Usually, this entails a pair of receivers running a crossing pattern past
one another with one receiver designated to make enough contact with the
defender to allow the other receiver to come open. If the official
determines the contact to be intentional or egregious, he can throw a flag
for offensi... 阅读全帖 |
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b******d
发帖数: 9694 | 4 就在于口袋一旦破了， 桥水在跑动中可以创造机会， 并且视野一直是往
Downfield看的， 而傻姆的口袋一破， 要么放炮， 要么跑动中如惊弓之鸟般胡逼乱抡
， 其视野是一直盯着追他的防守球员， 因为丫速度太慢了。
5-0之后媒体和球盲们一边倒的称赞Hype傻姆，橡树虽然一直不喜欢傻姆， 但是因为迷
信芝麻， 犯了大错。
味精要在季后赛中有所作为， 必须还要依靠桥水或者能有牛仔这样的Oline。。。
傻姆依然是傻姆， 充其量联盟一平庸的先发QB。。。 |
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s*****h
发帖数: 44903 | 5 Officials missed this obvious penalty on Mike Evans' first quarter TD
又扫盲了。。。
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发帖数: 44903 | 6 The NFL is amid its golden age of quarterbacking, so it's hard to believe
Bradford ranks second in completion percentage (71.3 percent), trailing only
Matt Ryan for the league lead. Bradford's been scrutinized for not taking
shots downfield, but he's been very efficient in distributing the ball to
numerous receivers throughout the season. |
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发帖数: 5200 | 7 Key is our hold line. He had all the time to wait for JN to run 60 yards
downfield. |
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发帖数: 1261 | 8 是 继续练吧 现在对他倒是好机会
光敢扔不行 他不少downfield的直传都是比较危险的 靠着新RB生猛可以牵制对面的LB
但不是长久之计啊 还得开发更多的手段
我熊现在的oc是qb教练上来的 看能不能好好开发一下 反正明年选秀也没什么好qb。。
还有黄狗四舅压在前面 哎 |
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发帖数: 4110 | 9 车祸。Terry Glenn was a first round draft by Patriots. 来自OSU。第一年就上了
1000 yards. AFC Rookie of the Year.
当时大枪鱼想抓Defense队员。Kraft要Glenn，the rift between them caused the
eventual departure of Bill Parcells. Glenn rookie第一年拍子打入了巨碗，被当
时如日中天的发叔给灭了。
This is what Kraft said after hearing the sad news,
"....
One of my favorite memories came when we hosted the Pittsburgh Steelers in
the divisional playoff game. It was my first home playoff game as an owner
and just the second home playoff game in our history.... 阅读全帖 |
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S*******r
发帖数: 11017 | 10 没仔细看数据，大约是400码总进攻，其中250+是RUSH，150码左右是PASS。整场比赛
TEBOW只传了两记印象深刻的好球，一次给TATE CASEY，一次是TD PASS给L.MURPHY。感
觉他的PASS还是需要POLISH的，去年有好几个传球都是靠HARVIN、MURPHY等人出色的运
动能力在空中调整姿势才抓住的。好的QB，应该能喂出让WR很舒服接住的球，TEBOW要
成为令人信服的NCAA FOOTBALL第一人，PASSING上面还是要下功夫。
今天PASSING打的不够激情还有个原因就是去年的三大主力街球手：CALDWELL、HARVIN
、INGRAM受伤的受伤，毕业的毕业。今天比赛MURPHY依旧表现了很高的水准，跑动非常
合理；CASEY是去年的边缘人物，今年是因为INGRAM受伤因此再度进入主力阵容，但是
限于速度，个人能力不是很出色，不能够成为主要投球目标；今年新升上来的D.
THOMPSON和C.MOORE，感觉信心还不是很足，今天C.MOORE接了一个中距离球，D.
THOMPSON有一个DOWNFIELD POST ROUTE，可惜在指尖滑落。这两 |
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S*******r
发帖数: 11017 | 11 之前还觉得MIZZOU是靠狂爆弱队来攒人气的，昨晚把玉米打的那么服贴，才真正看到
MIZZOU的SPREAD OPTION OFFENSE已经炉火纯青了。今年的大12，是UT,河马,还有
MIZZOU的三国演义，其他的一些诸如TT、科罗拉多、OSU也许能搅局，但去打BCS碗赛的
，大12的两个名额就会是在这三队中产生了。
MIZZOU的QB CHASE DANIEL是真正意义上的SPREAD QB。不敢相信他凭借仅6英尺的身高
和那一双小短腿，能够打出那么恐怖的数据。我们家的TEBOW是典型的身体力量型壮汉
打法，DANIEL昨天的表现，有如外科医生做手术，一点点撕裂开NEB的肌体，打的很聪
明犀利，是真正的用脑子打球。解说时听到一个数据说DANIEL今年还从来没有被3 AND
OUT过，这个真的很强悍。注意到一点：DANIEL的SHOTGUN站位非常靠后，恨不得都要变
成PUNTER的那个位置了，我觉得可能是为了在5-WR、EMPTY BACKFIELD的情况下防止被
SACK而设计的，亦或是因为方便个头矮小的DANIEL更方便LOOK DOWNFIELD的，但是这样
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S*******r
发帖数: 11017 | 12 好文 首先顶一下LZ 这个版需要这样的技术贴--即使细节上有待商榷
首先赞同RR没搞到PRYOR的说法。当时PRYOR还在扭扭捏捏，同时对包括UM在内的几个学
校同时态度暧昧的时候，我是觉得他去定UM了；后来居然从了小背心，说是不想当
SYSTEM QB，这个理由个人觉得挺白痴的：你是VY的料，就走VY的路；不要觉得自己神
勇无敌，还能成为BRETT FAVRE这样的QB。PRYOR如果跟了RR，UM今年绝对有BOWL打了。
其次，TRIPLE OPTIONS是非常复杂的战术体系，不仅对QB，而且对全队要求非常高。基
本上是属于小球队为了弥补先天不足而搞出的一种变态战术，依靠全队精准的配合去推
进。不像PRO-STYLE，有几个300磅以上的胖子扎在那里，有个手臂粗壮而且投球精准的
QB，再加上几个跑得快跳得高手掌大的WR，就基本上可以开工了。TRIPLE OPTIONS对于
QB的要求不仅是能跑能传，更重要的是能够在SNAP以后还能阅读对方防守，在零点几秒
之内觉得是自己跑，还是让给RB跑，还是PITCH给别人跑；而且OL要能跑起来，进行
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 13 TP有进步啊。希望能正式比赛的时候也这么牛
http://theozone.net/football/2010/springcamp/practiceinsider10_04_13.htm
1. Terrelle Pryor had his best day throwing the ball in my opinion. There we
re no floaters. He was accurate downfield as well. He dropped in a perfect 3
5-yard pass down the sideline to Dane Sanzenbacher--who one-armed it--with D
evon Torrence in tight coverage. The receivers to a man have said that the b
all is getting to them much quicker this year. As soon as they turn for the
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 14 看你们怎么定义牛了。如果是NFL，他身材不够，比较难。
如果是说college football的数据。DR没有伤的话，估计要刷新很多NCAA D-1 season纪录，包括QB跑攻
，甚至QB/RB跑攻的纪录，total yard纪录，还有很多其他的单场纪录。不过这些都是projection，只要
一伤，就没戏，而且RR和DR都不太care这些，他们的目标是赢下尽量多的比赛+训练队
伍。明年是我们冲击NC的好年，schedule很不错。
其实，你们认为DR是RR的救命稻草，根本就是不了解RR和他的打法。举个例子，DR在对
ND第二节那个long run TD。看看慢镜就知道，没有我们的RG Patrick Omameh（起码10
-15 yard）和WR roundtree跑到2nd level，block掉他们的2线球员，这个TD根本出
不来。Omameh block了牛B的5号，Teo,顺便在5号倒下时，把他们22号的safety也搞倒
了（一个搞掉了2个），roundtree顶住了他们的cb，这都是downfield 20-30 yard的
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发帖数: 8125 | 15 也算各有所需，OSU要Omameth也没用，他们需要一个320磅的胖子anchorOL，我们需要
一个300磅跑得跟兔子一样的能downfield block.
这个omameth, 来的时候250磅，大家都觉得是joke,长了50磅以后就不一样了
还有那个lewan,如果能再加20磅，就是Jake Long.
JT
Boren根本跑不动。 |
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 16 先来几个completion很重要。下面慢慢take shots downfield |
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w*****y
发帖数: 3900 | 17 ok, that's your point
but i see 2 facemasks by uconn uncalled, one on a QB sack
several phantom false starts called on us
NO holding called on uconn (i can count at least 2)
and i see two downfield holding penalties assessed from LOS instead of the p
lace of the foul
and there is the foul called 3s before the half which stop the clock and giv
e uconn the chance to kick a fg
and there is the review that reversed the catch which annoucer could't belie
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发帖数: 20256 | 18 再说说跑攻，我密跑攻到现在为止，我认为已经具很大杀伤力，主要几点：OL今年基本
定型，打得不输别人的DL,downfield block不错；RB/TE都block的不错；DR vision好
，速度快。DR的vision是在college QB，甚至RB都少有的。这也是为什么他十分通电的
原因。跑攻的问题在于read option时, DR是否能正确阅读对方防守。之前几场比赛还
可以。但是一旦进入大十比赛，就像去年一样，对手会调整DE和LB的动作，迷惑DR，让
他bad read。这只能依靠经验和RR赛后film study去提高。跑攻最根本问题还是RB，老
大难问题，体重不够。Shaw/smith去年就体现出来的问题，大十比赛yard per carry不
行，power不够，一碰就倒。所以我赛季初一开始就看好Steven Hopkins，Hopkins没有
blazing speed,但是论vision没有Shaw/smith差，体重/power高出不少，昨天的几个
play，每次都能跟着OL后面搞个6-7 yard。十分不错。只要他不fumble，我觉得应该让
他在大十比赛里P... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3252 | 19 原来那个 fake punt 是 Henery 自作主张, 若没搞好, 回家不知会不会被打屁屁.
http://my.journalstar.com/post/Husker_Extra_Group/Husker_Extra/blog/henerys_wise_decision.html
That fake punt Nebraska senior Alex Henery pulled off against Oklahoma State?
That was his call.
"It's just something I saw was open," he said Tuesday. "I felt like I could
get it. I took the chance."
Henery rolled to his right after taking the snap and read the defensive end.
Henery decided to take off upfield, then cut back against the grain and
wound ... 阅读全帖 |
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S*******r
发帖数: 11017 | 20 打个乙级球队还那么难看。BRANTLEY继续扔INT，中短传依旧掌控不好力度；阿大依旧
叫不出downfield pass，传球全都是cross routes。联想到过去的一个赛季，常常出现
长3阵或者4阵，阿呆依旧不依不饶地叫cross routes。狗改不了吃屎。
MEYER已经放出话来下个赛季阿呆依旧留任，鳄鱼估计又会被毁了。今天是鳄鱼SENIOR
DAY，我突然发现原来明年失血会很严重：OL又是大换血，几个高年级一走OL就很薄弱
了；第一WR、3阵转换器Carl Moore毕业了。防守方面将少了防守核心SS Ahmad Black
，和一堆经验丰富的LB。三年级的CB Janoris Jenkins估计会去草稿了。
当然最让我担心的是，MEYER把阿呆当成宝贝一样哄着捧着。
www.firesteveaddazio.com的网站站长最近又贴了篇长文，阿呆的笨拙和不谙业务更加
显露无遗。我在鳄鱼潭里看到一个网友说，阿呆让他想起了他高中时的一个教练，每天
带着酒味来训练场，只会嚷嚷。when it comes to Xs and Os, he absolutely has no
c... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 20742 | 21 By Bruce Feldman
Sitting with a buddy in a near-empty bar in Birmingham on Saturday morning a
t around 1 a.m. CST, I kept thinking how a lot of folks in SEC and Big Ten c
ountry must feel really vindicated. One of the great dramas of the 2010 seas
on had just wrapped up after a riveting final two hours. The case of Boise S
tate, after so much hand-wringing and spirited debate, could finally be put
to bed.
Since the middle of September, the storyline with Boise State that had seeme
d so different... 阅读全帖 |
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W********s
发帖数: 2256 | 22 听起来象ineligible player downfield |
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W********s
发帖数: 2256 | 23 各位诚实以对，有多少人明白ineligible player downfield?
我猜想本版上80%以上不知道。 |
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发帖数: 2256 | 24 When the presumptive No. 1 overall draft pick opts to go back to school, it
can really alter the draft process. As I detailed here, when Stanford QB
Andrew Luck made that decision, dominos fell. And in over 30 years of
evaluating talent, many of them for ESPN, this year sticks out as one that
could have a lot of movement throughout the process leading to the draft.
But it's time to get going.
As it is every year, the mock draft is a blend of my evaluations, hundreds
of conversations with people ... 阅读全帖 |
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 25 看的都是门道。我们都是看热闹。Joyner's review on Cam Newton:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/columns/story?
ner_kc&id=6178028
(此处删去对提包的不敬评论300字)
There are a wide variety of areas that should concern NFL teams and were app
arent when I went back and reviewed tape on Newton, but the three most signi
ficant are:
1. Footwork
To say Newton's footwork was inconsistent would be giving it credit it doesn
't deserve; it was almost as if this part of his game was an afterthought.
One clear-cut example o... 阅读全帖 |
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p***r
发帖数: 4606 | 26 Written by Chris Canada http://gatorsfirst.com/index.php/florida-gators-sp
orts-news/gatorsfirst/offensive-strategy-101-spread-vs-pro-style.html)
When new head coach Will Muschamp took over in late 2010, he speculated that
he would probably bring in a pro-styleoffense, which was a clear departur
e from the spreadoffense that Urban Meyer had installed in 2005. We've see
n the results of Meyer's high powered offense over the past six years, and m
any questioned the rationale behind the change. W... 阅读全帖 |
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S*******r
发帖数: 11017 | 27 why an offense struggles
fans always cry for downfield passes... |
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l********e
发帖数: 2499 | 28 DR从阅读比赛的水平，扔球的准度上看，确实不像是3年纪的QB。他和Devin好几次miss
了wide open的receiver，扔进double-coverage里。加上比赛那天风还特大，MSU这么
搞就是dare you throw the ball。最后确实也奏效了。
我总觉得DR是一个nice young men，运动能力也没说的，但是确实一直不是个well
qualified的QB。没办法，you have to take the good with the bad。我米拿下第一
个TD的那个play，要是别的QB，早就被sack到后场了，而DR直接scramble到endzone。
但是他后来一直settle不下来，那怕造一个downfield的big play，MSU也不敢这么疯的
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f*******e
发帖数: 280 | 29 吹过头了，尤其是关于去年。
Last season, Jim Harbaugh's Stanford Cardinal team could have won the
national championship.
It's true. In fact, the Cardinal would have matched up better with the
Auburn Tigers in the Allstate BCS National Championship Game than the Oregon
Ducks did. Had Stanford beaten Oregon last October and then finished the
regular season undefeated (remember, the Cardinal jumped out to a 21-3 lead,
on the road, against the Ducks last year), it may very well have been
Andrew Luck, not Cam Newt... 阅读全帖 |
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S*******r
发帖数: 11017 | 30 Thats what I thought too.
I read an article about Muschamp and his staff cannot find anyone that can
play this year although we keep hearing people talking about Urban Meyer left
the cupboard full.
Remember that fake punt play at LSU game? Let Wing Fly? At first glance it
looks like a bad coaching, but you know what? our coaches actually prepared
for fake punt going into the LSU game. They even assigned a spy on the punter.
Actually right before Wing punted again as a result of a delay-of-game
p... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****y
发帖数: 4887 | 31 今年进攻什么样子大家都知道，
就是ground and pound
上半场一般跑不出来，等下半场人家累了才行
如果人家进攻时间长，防守休息得好，就没戏
扔球么，有能耐接的就一个半，Eifert是一个，Jones是半个
剩下全是废柴/半成品
上了Golson和Rees差别不大，Rees能多扔给Eifert几个
Golson能偶尔自己一跑
担心的是我们的防守
这两场感觉对手已经差不多搞明白我们防守怎么回事了
技术上说，大部分时间是4-man rush
所谓强，是DL上两侧运动能力强，中间胖子力量爆发力强
所谓变化，也就是除了DL上三个，另外一个push rush的方向
所谓今年的进步，就是其他LB的pass coverage意识
所以如果有pass protection能力强的TE/FB/RB帮忙pickup最后一个pass rush
能让WR有时间downfield，造成和二线的直接对抗
比赛就难看了
特别是如果QB有经验，能够找第二乃至第三目标
能够扔比较准的找到one on one
那就完了
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S*******r
发帖数: 11017 | 32 This year's Bama offense is much better than previous two years. The new OC
is from Washington Univ.,i.e. USC coaching tree/west coast offense. A lot of
downfield passing plays. Kinda remind me of Stanford's offense. |
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s******e
发帖数: 1985 | 34 Y. this one is no-sense at all, both on the rules, and the left tackle
himself. |
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l*****y
发帖数: 4887 | 35 嗯，我们的伪白袍小将Rees周末被Michigan的能跑能扔大园丁打得生活不能自理
无限怀念我们能跑能扔被开除的Golson
其实Rees表现挺说明问题的，OL保护已经不错了，但是还是时不时需要出口袋，
一般的NCAA白袍小将QB在运动中check downfield 和扔球，问题都很大，
而大学队伍WR #2或者WR #3往往比WR #1差太多，从速度到摆脱都不行，所以一旦把白
袍逼出口袋，看死一个，剩下one on one就够了，很容易防出失误来
除非能用超强大的跑攻每次都给QB留下manageable的码数，否则白袍打不过能跑的
鳄鱼未来估计还要被大酋长能跑能扔的Winston折腾，可怜啊～～ |
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B****2
发帖数: 8892 | 36 哪个最靠谱？
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/12/14/texas-foo
Texas coach Mack Brown resigned Saturday after winning 158 games, two Big 12
titles and one national championship during 16 years with the Longhorns.
Brown's resignation opens one of the premier jobs in college football to a
number of elite coaching candidates.
TEXAS VACANCY: The pros and cons
Texas can offer the sort of resources unmatched on the Football Bowl
Subdivision level. The university has enormous financial resource... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****y
发帖数: 4887 | 37 是，动作太大了，不抬头不举手，
搞得太像running play里面downfield block
其实两个blocking WR错位一下也能挡住
又不需要那么wide open |
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b******l
发帖数: 758 | 38 靠，你是所谓的专业人士？自己照照镜子吧
到目前，ACC自己都没有说是正确的call。只是说是裁判自己的judegment，场上裁判自
己自相矛盾，到底是谁犯规都没有说清楚，一会是7号，一会是20号。 而且裁判还故意
遗漏了一个FSU犯规的call。
所有说一定是犯规的都可以XXSL
Doug Rhoads, the ACC head of officials, didn’t explicitly say whether or
not he agreed with the call, but he did offer a thorough explanation for the
offensive pass interference rule.
Offensive players, on passing plays, are restricted from going downfield
and blocking anytime from the snap. If the ball is first touched behind the
line of scrimmage, th... 阅读全帖 |
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j*******l
发帖数: 419 | 39 我照镜子了 你照了么？你给那录像根本不是犯规那人！illegal pick 教练还声称自己
coach这种play，无奈crying babe kelly了！希望ND进play off 然后rematch， 这教
练上台第一场bowl game就输给FSU！我在奥兰多看着他输了！希望再看他在bowl game
再输一次。
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 40 不懂NCAA,NFL里非judgement的call,比如12-men, ineligible downfield, 球是否被
tip before PI之类可以review.但PI这种judgement的call从来不允许review的。
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 41 不懂NCAA,NFL里非judgement的call,比如12-men, ineligible downfield, 球是否被
tip before PI之类可以review.但PI这种judgement的call从来不允许review的。
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l*****y
发帖数: 4887 | 42 年年看美国解放军用triple-option耍流氓
总结了一下
1，他们大量使用cut block，伤front 7，尤其是防守方的freshmen，这帮小孩在高中
的时候，很多比赛是禁止cut block的，完全不了解对方会这么干，很容易伤，下一场
会很难打。
2，一般只有两个downfield 的block，剩下的都在LOS附近，人多，blocking scheme变
化就多，对防守球员的纪律要求高，不能overcommitting，但现实中你一赛季就对付这
一场，整个训练中的应对triple option的投入不过1/12，很难达到要求的纪律性。
3，这种球队的OL年纪大，配合默契，比一般pro-style，spread option都要更轻一些
，灵活一些，而且进攻方式复杂，scout team没有这样的人才，也不太会模拟这样的进
攻，所以虽然看过录像，DC、防守球员真到了场上，还是会有“惊喜”。 |
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发帖数: 8966 | 43 这球重点是有个OL downfield 6yard了，kelly本身扔的是好的。 |
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l*****y
发帖数: 4887 | 44 攻防这种事，两队的talent level没有太大差异的时候，是谈不上强度不强度的
只有合适不合适
比如Bama的防守，对上Georgia的I-formation进攻，就刚刚好，
LB吨位大，inside run都能堵住，
二线掐死一两个点，QB出不了口袋，又没有好的TE/Slot WR
就悲剧了。
我们和你们打，吃亏在缺点太明显，
首发QB伤了，上来新QB，第一个客场首发，还有大雨，所以会用跑
首发RB伤了，替补RB学术禁赛了，上来第三RB，WR改的，所以灵敏有余，力量不足，一
定跑外侧
我们的inside OL pass block差不多够用，但速度慢，downfield driving block能力
差，一般靠RB跑到外侧后用TE/WR帮忙block,
所以上半场你们防守策略很明显，甚至整场都在用，Run Blitz，外侧包抄
尤其是first down，我们Call一定是保守的
其实你们二线没做好，不像SEC几个豪强，能掐死一两个点，跑开了到处是洞
但漏就漏了，就赌不敢扔，就赌接不住。(果然也drop了无数个)
下半场就想明白了，放手一搏，传球多了，而且既然大雨看不清楚两侧
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发帖数: 6151 | 45 “One coach said C.Hackenberg couldn’t escape pressure, identify blitzes,
release it quickly, anticipate throws or pass downfield accurately.” |
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b****a
发帖数: 4465 | 46 Poor build, Skinny, Lacks great physical stature and strength, Lacks
mobility and ability to avoid the rush, Lacks a really strong arm, Can’t
drive the ball downfield, Does not throw a really tight spiral, System-type
player who can get exposed if forced to ad lib, Gets knocked down easily
"You can prove em right or you can prove em wrong!" |
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w****t
发帖数: 1849 | 47 It should move to downfield, not upfield. |
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f*******y
发帖数: 50 | 48 CH比CH2 downfield, 比如ch2 在2.6,ch在3.0.
建议做个DEPT或者HSQC就知道CH和CH2区别了。 |
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l****o
发帖数: 58 | 49 should move to downfield. |
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