m*****r
发帖数: 3822 | 1 昨天espn classic放1975年温网决赛，connors vs ashe。那动作按照现在
标准来看估计在版上也就评个3.0，当然熟练度很高。Connors那动作尤其
难看，都没有full swing，整个手臂连球拍基本保持僵硬状态。所以对业余来说
学什么动作不是最关键的，打熟练王道。。。 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 2 Cannot agree more.
Wellmoon来反驳一下吧，呵呵。
【在 m*****r 的大作中提到】
: 昨天espn classic放1975年温网决赛，connors vs ashe。那动作按照现在
: 标准来看估计在版上也就评个3.0，当然熟练度很高。Connors那动作尤其
: 难看，都没有full swing，整个手臂连球拍基本保持僵硬状态。所以对业余来说
: 学什么动作不是最关键的，打熟练王道。。。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 3 你去拿一拿木拍子试一下full swing就知道了.任何东西的改变都是配套的,如果拍子没
有这么打大的变化,动作也不会有很大变化.
【在 m*****r 的大作中提到】
: 昨天espn classic放1975年温网决赛，connors vs ashe。那动作按照现在
: 标准来看估计在版上也就评个3.0，当然熟练度很高。Connors那动作尤其
: 难看，都没有full swing，整个手臂连球拍基本保持僵硬状态。所以对业余来说
: 学什么动作不是最关键的，打熟练王道。。。
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c****t
发帖数: 339 | 4 和器材，打法等等都有关系把
【在 m*****r 的大作中提到】
: 昨天espn classic放1975年温网决赛，connors vs ashe。那动作按照现在
: 标准来看估计在版上也就评个3.0，当然熟练度很高。Connors那动作尤其
: 难看，都没有full swing，整个手臂连球拍基本保持僵硬状态。所以对业余来说
: 学什么动作不是最关键的，打熟练王道。。。
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m*****r
发帖数: 3822 | 5 我看好像不是木拍子，应该是铝合金的。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 你去拿一拿木拍子试一下full swing就知道了.任何东西的改变都是配套的,如果拍子没
: 有这么打大的变化,动作也不会有很大变化.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 6 他后期用的是Dunlop Max 200G (graphite)，但那时候已经不是鼎盛时期了。
【在 m*****r 的大作中提到】
: 我看好像不是木拍子，应该是铝合金的。
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 7 动作都是适应球具的，同时网球技术本身也在发展。30年前的动作是适应30年前的拍子
、线、球的。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Cannot agree more.
: Wellmoon来反驳一下吧，呵呵。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 8 I am currently using rackets from 30 years ago, maybe I should
learn from Connors, haha.
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 动作都是适应球具的，同时网球技术本身也在发展。30年前的动作是适应30年前的拍子
: 、线、球的。
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 9 我也看了，不过没你说得那么惨吧？？
【在 m*****r 的大作中提到】
: 昨天espn classic放1975年温网决赛，connors vs ashe。那动作按照现在
: 标准来看估计在版上也就评个3.0，当然熟练度很高。Connors那动作尤其
: 难看，都没有full swing，整个手臂连球拍基本保持僵硬状态。所以对业余来说
: 学什么动作不是最关键的，打熟练王道。。。
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m*****r
发帖数: 3822 | 10 底线球确实很少，大部分都是上网。但是你没觉得底线球动作都很奇怪吗？
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 我也看了，不过没你说得那么惨吧？？
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 11 底线不奇怪就上不了网啦，都穿越啦！
我喜欢看发上。。。
【在 m*****r 的大作中提到】
: 底线球确实很少，大部分都是上网。但是你没觉得底线球动作都很奇怪吗？
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 12 If you use full swing and full follow through, there is no
time to run to net.
Chip and charge ah.
【在 m*****r 的大作中提到】
: 底线球确实很少，大部分都是上网。但是你没觉得底线球动作都很奇怪吗？
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 13 说实话,确实是挺惨的,发球的动作变化不大,一样都是那么流畅自如,volley呀overhead
呀也差不多.但正反手确实"惨不忍睹",可能跟那时没有什么漂亮的衣服鞋袜有关 lol
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 我也看了，不过没你说得那么惨吧？？
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 14 我觉得那时候衣服裤子很好，紧绷绷的，才体现身材嘛
就是人都瘦了点，没啥子肌又
overhead
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 说实话,确实是挺惨的,发球的动作变化不大,一样都是那么流畅自如,volley呀overhead
: 呀也差不多.但正反手确实"惨不忍睹",可能跟那时没有什么漂亮的衣服鞋袜有关 lol
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 15 I said the same thing long time ago. His answer is just enjoying the tennis! |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 16 Because I believe a racket from 30 years ago feels quite similar
to now.
My experiments tell that I hit better tennis with a Wilson Sting
Mid from 1984 instead of with a Head LM Radical from 2005. They
are all graphite anyway... |
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 17 可能就是因为太紧绷了,导致动作不舒展...
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得那时候衣服裤子很好，紧绷绷的，才体现身材嘛
: 就是人都瘦了点，没啥子肌又
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: overhead
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c****t
发帖数: 339 | 18 你豆以前的衣服不是更紧,七分裤还有挡膝盖的嫌疑,动作不也是很舒展
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 可能就是因为太紧绷了,导致动作不舒展...
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 19 In another word, it's my personal belief that technology in
tennis rackets has stalled in the past 25 years -- the improvements
are minimum.
25 years ago, people started to use graphite rackets. Now they
still use graphite rackets. None of the new things worked (e.g.
titanium). There is no fundamental change.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Because I believe a racket from 30 years ago feels quite similar
: to now.
: My experiments tell that I hit better tennis with a Wilson Sting
: Mid from 1984 instead of with a Head LM Radical from 2005. They
: are all graphite anyway...
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 20 哈,又有一个盯上我的,你是mm吗?
【在 c****t 的大作中提到】
: 你豆以前的衣服不是更紧,七分裤还有挡膝盖的嫌疑,动作不也是很舒展
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c****t
发帖数: 339 | 21 你丫有病是不是? 回你贴你还真不要脸了
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 哈,又有一个盯上我的,你是mm吗?
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 22 别急,别急...
【在 c****t 的大作中提到】
: 你丫有病是不是? 回你贴你还真不要脸了
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 23 The only major difference in rackets is the stiffness. Rackets
now are more stiff and therefore can generate more powerful shots.
Because of that, pros now use western grip + poly string more
to hit with more topspin (because if they don't do that, the ball
will go out). Subsequently, the racket heads need to be larger
to be more spin friendly.
That's about it.
For a 3.0 amateur like me, I don't think it matter much. I hit
flat mostly. I don't need to hit super powerful shots at my level,
theref |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 24 PA is not advised on this board. This is a warning. Thanks.
【在 c****t 的大作中提到】
: 你丫有病是不是? 回你贴你还真不要脸了
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 25 but why the previous and current GOATs both use <= 90 ? |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 26 Because neither of them is a topspin fan.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: but why the previous and current GOATs both use <= 90 ?
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c****t
发帖数: 339 | 27 可能网线还有更大改进余地和变化的时候拍子的变化就不那么重要了
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: The only major difference in rackets is the stiffness. Rackets
: now are more stiff and therefore can generate more powerful shots.
: Because of that, pros now use western grip + poly string more
: to hit with more topspin (because if they don't do that, the ball
: will go out). Subsequently, the racket heads need to be larger
: to be more spin friendly.
: That's about it.
: For a 3.0 amateur like me, I don't think it matter much. I hit
: flat mostly. I don't need to hit super powerful shots at my level,
: theref
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 28 well, i think ff hits a lot of topsin. That the ball doesn't bounce crazily
high doesn't mean no or little topspin.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Because neither of them is a topspin fan.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 29 Poly strings have been around for a long time. It gets popular now
just because it doesn't move much when hitting topspin. This is a
great feature because if the string doesn't move, it generates the
most spin.
【在 c****t 的大作中提到】
: 可能网线还有更大改进余地和变化的时候拍子的变化就不那么重要了
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 30 He could easily hit with more topspin if he switched to APD.
The only shortcoming is that APD is more 兜风 and can't swing
as fast as k90, which is a killer for serving or wrist whip...
crazily
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: well, i think ff hits a lot of topsin. That the ball doesn't bounce crazily
: high doesn't mean no or little topspin.
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | |
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 32 It is not about which racket could generate the most topspin. It is about
the combination. I am sure the shots from ff have a lot of topspin but he
may like the feel of the control/stiffness/weight/... from the racket also.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: He could easily hit with more topspin if he switched to APD.
: The only shortcoming is that APD is more 兜风 and can't swing
: as fast as k90, which is a killer for serving or wrist whip...
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: crazily
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 33 When graphite rackets first came out in around 1980, it was in
110 sq.in, like the POG 110 that Chang used. It's the same 12.5
oz or so as the 90 sq.in version. Therefore I don't think head
size was an issue.
Stiffness, though, is the issue. New rackets have other stuffs
added in to increase the stiffness. 30 years ago the manufacturers
thought people cannot handle too high stiffness and didn't do so
until POG became a superstar. (POG was the most stiff racket at
that time and Prince didn't expe |
Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 34 I used a wooden frame when I was small, then my dad put the racket in the
car trunk and after a hot summer afternoon, I took it out and it's
completely warped.
I think that Roddick popularized the super-stiff Babolat rackets. Most
people didn't even know Barbolat made rackets before they see Roddick play
with a weird looking stick and hitting hard serves. Federer used a custom
painted PS85 for a long long time until Wilson custom designed the K90 to
his specs. Are the stiffer frame better tha |
B******a
发帖数: 601 | 35 Now they can make the same size with weight about 10oz or less(8 oz). It is so easy to increase the weight but not easy to reduce the weight.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: When graphite rackets first came out in around 1980, it was in
: 110 sq.in, like the POG 110 that Chang used. It's the same 12.5
: oz or so as the 90 sq.in version. Therefore I don't think head
: size was an issue.
: Stiffness, though, is the issue. New rackets have other stuffs
: added in to increase the stiffness. 30 years ago the manufacturers
: thought people cannot handle too high stiffness and didn't do so
: until POG became a superstar. (POG was the most stiff racket at
: that time and Prince didn't expe
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 36 Yes, if they use pure Titanium, it probably can be just 5 oz.
But those 10oz rackets never worked out. They are constantly
walking in the recreational tennis racket category...
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: Now they can make the same size with weight about 10oz or less(8 oz). It is so easy to increase the weight but not easy to reduce the weight.
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M***x
发帖数: 288 | 37 FYI, Ti is way much heavier than carbon graphite.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Yes, if they use pure Titanium, it probably can be just 5 oz.
: But those 10oz rackets never worked out. They are constantly
: walking in the recreational tennis racket category...
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B******a
发帖数: 601 | 38 Relative light(<12oz) and power rackets are very popular for recreational
and club players. I don't think you have big muscle such as wellmoon and
your level is not very higher either. However your racket choice sounds like
a pro level. Very interesting.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Yes, if they use pure Titanium, it probably can be just 5 oz.
: But those 10oz rackets never worked out. They are constantly
: walking in the recreational tennis racket category...
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t***s
发帖数: 1877 | 39 John Mcenroe's serve looks awful too
【在 m*****r 的大作中提到】
: 昨天espn classic放1975年温网决赛，connors vs ashe。那动作按照现在
: 标准来看估计在版上也就评个3.0，当然熟练度很高。Connors那动作尤其
: 难看，都没有full swing，整个手臂连球拍基本保持僵硬状态。所以对业余来说
: 学什么动作不是最关键的，打熟练王道。。。
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | |
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Q*****i
发帖数: 1126 | 41 Connors 的发球动作有特点，平时的肢体语言更是有意思， 恩。哪天无聊我要模仿他
恶心死对手:)
【在 m*****r 的大作中提到】
: 昨天espn classic放1975年温网决赛，connors vs ashe。那动作按照现在
: 标准来看估计在版上也就评个3.0，当然熟练度很高。Connors那动作尤其
: 难看，都没有full swing，整个手臂连球拍基本保持僵硬状态。所以对业余来说
: 学什么动作不是最关键的，打熟练王道。。。
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