K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 1 才出来两年就对折了。
看来光有牛人paint job还是不行啊。拍子本身烂怎么着也没用。。。 |
w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 2 是啊，它刚出来时偶可是把它系列的两把都拿来demo了，结果从此再也不愿碰它们了。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 才出来两年就对折了。
: 看来光有牛人paint job还是不行啊。拍子本身烂怎么着也没用。。。
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a******g
发帖数: 1538 | 3 这个speed 和另外两个prestige/radical有什么大区别？
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 是啊，它刚出来时偶可是把它系列的两把都拿来demo了，结果从此再也不愿碰它们了。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 4 区别在于：
Prestige系列有24年历史。
Radical系列有接近20年历史。
Speed系列。。。hmm, 两年历史。
【在 a******g 的大作中提到】
: 这个speed 和另外两个prestige/radical有什么大区别？
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 6 Joker using PT57A is just a popular but not dominant theory among
TT users. Less than 50% people believe that.
Nobody knows for sure what his actual racket is. Only one thing
for sure: nobody thinks it's Head Speed.
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: FYI:
: http://s1.zetaboards.com/tfntennis/topic/3862765/1/
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 7 我还一直以为speed系列是从radical tour那儿延续过来得呢
看参数speed不错啊，不知道为啥没人欣赏
我们身边唯一的一个用speed的小孩也换prestige了
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 区别在于：
: Prestige系列有24年历史。
: Radical系列有接近20年历史。
: Speed系列。。。hmm, 两年历史。
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o******r
发帖数: 346 | 8 不太同意你的判断。如果说几年前joker刚跟HEAD签约时，他用的是别的拍子+painting
，可以理解。
这几年来，如果他用的是别的型号的拍子，为什么不把speed做得跟他用的拍子一样来
卖呢？
我觉得他用的是在speed的主要设计参数上customized的，也许是在生产线上就customized，也许是拿市面上的speed 来customized。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Joker using PT57A is just a popular but not dominant theory among
: TT users. Less than 50% people believe that.
: Nobody knows for sure what his actual racket is. Only one thing
: for sure: nobody thinks it's Head Speed.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 9 Head will *NEVER* sell PT57A as retail rackets. That's insane.
PT57A is the most widely used pro rackets by Head.
Soderling
Murray
Simon
Gulbis
You name it. Selling PT57A would be a suicide to Head's racket
business, as nobody would be interested in buying other retail
craps any more.
BTW: You noticed I didn't list Joker as one pro using PT57A. I
actually am not sure about that. I tend to believe he is using
a custom material racket with the Head LM/MG Radical MP mold.
painting
【在 o******r 的大作中提到】
: 不太同意你的判断。如果说几年前joker刚跟HEAD签约时，他用的是别的拍子+painting
: ，可以理解。
: 这几年来，如果他用的是别的型号的拍子，为什么不把speed做得跟他用的拍子一样来
: 卖呢？
: 我觉得他用的是在speed的主要设计参数上customized的，也许是在生产线上就customized，也许是拿市面上的speed 来customized。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 10 If you look closely, his racket shape is the same as LM Radical MP,
which is different from Speed MP. Look at the 下巴部分。There is no
way that's called a "customization". They are two completely
different rackets.
customized，也许是拿市面上的speed 来customized。
【在 o******r 的大作中提到】
: 不太同意你的判断。如果说几年前joker刚跟HEAD签约时，他用的是别的拍子+painting
: ，可以理解。
: 这几年来，如果他用的是别的型号的拍子，为什么不把speed做得跟他用的拍子一样来
: 卖呢？
: 我觉得他用的是在speed的主要设计参数上customized的，也许是在生产线上就customized，也许是拿市面上的speed 来customized。
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o******r
发帖数: 346 | 11 还是说不通。Selling PT57A会影响到business? 难道PT57A的利润比别的低？
还有，不通level的recreation players 不一定都买PT57。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: If you look closely, his racket shape is the same as LM Radical MP,
: which is different from Speed MP. Look at the 下巴部分。There is no
: way that's called a "customization". They are two completely
: different rackets.
:
: customized，也许是拿市面上的speed 来customized。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 12 You still don't get it.
PT57A will be VERY profitable.
All other stuffs, including good rackets like Prestige and Radical,
will have horrible sales. This is true even after 1-2 years when
Head tries to promote new generations of Prestige/Speed/Radical, etc.
What should Head do with the new generation Speed, if the current
generation is the same as PT57A? Any variation will make it worse.
PT57A has been there for more than 10 years. Pros still stick to it.
You can probably figure out why I category all the new generations
as retail craps.
【在 o******r 的大作中提到】
: 还是说不通。Selling PT57A会影响到business? 难道PT57A的利润比别的低？
: 还有，不通level的recreation players 不一定都买PT57。
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o******r
发帖数: 346 | 13 再展开说说吧
1， 对于青少年，女子，head的新用户，只要打算买head, 对head的business 没影响。
2， 对于head的老追随者，三两把PT57A不会就能打一辈子吧，就不更新也不旧换新？
3， PT57A也可以没两年出新材料新产品吧。 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 14 PT57A is one unique racket. It's not a line of rackets, like Radical,
Prestige, etc.
Any new material, new specs, new shape will make it not PT57A any
more.
It's the same as Wilson Prostaff Original 6.0 85. You can't just
make new generations every two years.
All in all, the legendary rackets have to be discontinued for
the health of racket sale business. Paint jobs are the way to go
and it has been tested working well by the biggest racket brands.
PT57A are now produced at very limited numbers and are strictly
accessible to pros only. Each of these rackets will be painted as
the retail versions that the pros sponsor. It boosts the sales of
those retail rackets greatly and it can be repainted again after
2 years to promote new retail rackets.
响。
【在 o******r 的大作中提到】
: 再展开说说吧
: 1， 对于青少年，女子，head的新用户，只要打算买head, 对head的business 没影响。
: 2， 对于head的老追随者，三两把PT57A不会就能打一辈子吧，就不更新也不旧换新？
: 3， PT57A也可以没两年出新材料新产品吧。
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o******r
发帖数: 346 | 15 head故意停产最NB的产品已达到推广差的产品？不合商家逻辑吧。就好比宝马公司把自
己的BMW3，5，7系列停产，来推广mini cooper之类的旁门左道，
你所说的坊间传言而已，我也听了好些年了。好象没见过比较靠谱的材料。
厂商这么做，也许只对器材派和收藏派有市场。 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 16 I am not trying to make you believe. You can always choose not
to believe. Racket manufacturers have tried their best to achieve
that goal (i.e. the majority of retail base not knowing the paint
job tricks).
Just a few of facts (or consider it as my personal opinion if you
prefer):
1) Graphite rackets last forever. They don't go bad. They have
infinite shelf life. The only way to make people buy more rackets
is to promote new generations frequently (and discontinuing old
ones).
2) For the last 20 years, racket manufacturers have tried very
hard to make people believe that every 2 years they need to
upgrade their rackets for the "newest technology".
3) These "newest technology", are believed by many just some
toying with the specs. There has not been any revolution since
graphite rackets were invented 30 years ago. (The POG OS being
sold today is very close to the original one invented around 1977.)
4) The paint job industry has been there fore more than 10 years.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1872892&type=story
Some pros who refused to use paint jobs include Sampras and
Philippoussis.
【在 o******r 的大作中提到】
: head故意停产最NB的产品已达到推广差的产品？不合商家逻辑吧。就好比宝马公司把自
: 己的BMW3，5，7系列停产，来推广mini cooper之类的旁门左道，
: 你所说的坊间传言而已，我也听了好些年了。好象没见过比较靠谱的材料。
: 厂商这么做，也许只对器材派和收藏派有市场。
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B******a
发帖数: 601 | 17 It is said that John Mcenroe could not serve more than 110mph during his pro
tennis career. Most of his service was less than 110. Now with his new
racket, he could achieve 125mph. Technology does improve players tennis
level although every two years revolution is kind of bogus.
Prostaff is history and 90 is like a dinosaur. 95+ is much much more popular.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I am not trying to make you believe. You can always choose not
: to believe. Racket manufacturers have tried their best to achieve
: that goal (i.e. the majority of retail base not knowing the paint
: job tricks).
: Just a few of facts (or consider it as my personal opinion if you
: prefer):
: 1) Graphite rackets last forever. They don't go bad. They have
: infinite shelf life. The only way to make people buy more rackets
: is to promote new generations frequently (and discontinuing old
: ones).
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 18 I don't deny the string revolution. More precisely, the new
technology provides more combination of rackets + strings.
(You can never put poly in wood rackets because they are too flexible
and low power.)
popular.
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: It is said that John Mcenroe could not serve more than 110mph during his pro
: tennis career. Most of his service was less than 110. Now with his new
: racket, he could achieve 125mph. Technology does improve players tennis
: level although every two years revolution is kind of bogus.
: Prostaff is history and 90 is like a dinosaur. 95+ is much much more popular.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 19 That's exactly my point ah.
Poly == low power.
But you have one error: not all old rackets are low power. Some
most powerful rackets were produced around 1990 ("the widebody
fiesta" era, stiffness could easily be above 80).
is
get
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: It is said that John Mcenroe could not serve more than 110mph during his pro
: tennis career. Most of his service was less than 110. Now with his new
: racket, he could achieve 125mph. Technology does improve players tennis
: level although every two years revolution is kind of bogus.
: Prostaff is history and 90 is like a dinosaur. 95+ is much much more popular.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 20 Look at the specs of this one:
http://www.mattstennis.com/html/wilson_profile_2_7.html
39mm beam width.
I am sure it's not the most extreme...
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: That's exactly my point ah.
: Poly == low power.
: But you have one error: not all old rackets are low power. Some
: most powerful rackets were produced around 1990 ("the widebody
: fiesta" era, stiffness could easily be above 80).
:
: is
: get
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 21 Woodies and aluminum are gone after 1985. (Except in Walmart, etc.)
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: It is said that John Mcenroe could not serve more than 110mph during his pro
: tennis career. Most of his service was less than 110. Now with his new
: racket, he could achieve 125mph. Technology does improve players tennis
: level although every two years revolution is kind of bogus.
: Prostaff is history and 90 is like a dinosaur. 95+ is much much more popular.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 22 Therefore powerful ah...
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: It is said that John Mcenroe could not serve more than 110mph during his pro
: tennis career. Most of his service was less than 110. Now with his new
: racket, he could achieve 125mph. Technology does improve players tennis
: level although every two years revolution is kind of bogus.
: Prostaff is history and 90 is like a dinosaur. 95+ is much much more popular.
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B******a
发帖数: 601 | 23 1,beam too thick, 2, too stiff, not good for control
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Therefore powerful ah...
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B******a
发帖数: 601 | 24 1,beam too thick, 2, too stiff, not good for control
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Therefore powerful ah...
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 25 I've seen a few of those in person. Just too ugly.
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: 1,beam too thick, 2, too stiff, not good for control
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o******r
发帖数: 346 | 26 k, 不就挖坑填坑嘛。没啥believe不believe的。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I am not trying to make you believe. You can always choose not
: to believe. Racket manufacturers have tried their best to achieve
: that goal (i.e. the majority of retail base not knowing the paint
: job tricks).
: Just a few of facts (or consider it as my personal opinion if you
: prefer):
: 1) Graphite rackets last forever. They don't go bad. They have
: infinite shelf life. The only way to make people buy more rackets
: is to promote new generations frequently (and discontinuing old
: ones).
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a****n
发帖数: 4734 | |
w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 28 PT57A才是真正的神拍啊！确实好打，就是稍微有点软
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: PT57A is one unique racket. It's not a line of rackets, like Radical,
: Prestige, etc.
: Any new material, new specs, new shape will make it not PT57A any
: more.
: It's the same as Wilson Prostaff Original 6.0 85. You can't just
: make new generations every two years.
: All in all, the legendary rackets have to be discontinued for
: the health of racket sale business. Paint jobs are the way to go
: and it has been tested working well by the biggest racket brands.
: PT57A are now produced at very limited numbers and are strictly
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l*****s
发帖数: 787 | |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 30 No, it is not. Look closely to the racket head shape. Joker's
racket is 椭圆形，Speed 18x20 is 鸡蛋形。They are two different
rackets.
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
: 他们说的18x20不就是这个吗？
: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Head_YOUTEK_Speed_18x20/descpag
: HYTS18.html
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 31 让我们对量产的特种钢嗤之以鼻吧！铸剑还得找干将莫邪，那才是锋利无匹的利刃.... |
d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 32 下巴比较尖
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: No, it is not. Look closely to the racket head shape. Joker's
: racket is 椭圆形，Speed 18x20 is 鸡蛋形。They are two different
: rackets.
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l*****s
发帖数: 787 | 33 这是不是就是说joker签约head，跟他签约某款卫生巾并为其做广告本质是一样的，反
正他也不用卫生
巾，就像他也不用head卖给普通消费者的球拍一样。
head给他用的球拍到底是谁做的还不知道，反正漆涂的是head。
所以球员选择签约哪个球拍品牌就只跟代言费有关，球拍反正可以永远用他觉得顺手的
那个，只要涂不
同漆就可以了。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: No, it is not. Look closely to the racket head shape. Joker's
: racket is 椭圆形，Speed 18x20 is 鸡蛋形。They are two different
: rackets.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 34 He has to use a Head racket. He is sponsoring the brand, not a
particular racket.
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
: 这是不是就是说joker签约head，跟他签约某款卫生巾并为其做广告本质是一样的，反
: 正他也不用卫生
: 巾，就像他也不用head卖给普通消费者的球拍一样。
: head给他用的球拍到底是谁做的还不知道，反正漆涂的是head。
: 所以球员选择签约哪个球拍品牌就只跟代言费有关，球拍反正可以永远用他觉得顺手的
: 那个，只要涂不
: 同漆就可以了。
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 35 差不多吧
不过一共就这么几个厂商，你要用什么样的拍子给你定制一个mold就完了
O3就悲剧了。。。
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
: 这是不是就是说joker签约head，跟他签约某款卫生巾并为其做广告本质是一样的，反
: 正他也不用卫生
: 巾，就像他也不用head卖给普通消费者的球拍一样。
: head给他用的球拍到底是谁做的还不知道，反正漆涂的是head。
: 所以球员选择签约哪个球拍品牌就只跟代言费有关，球拍反正可以永远用他觉得顺手的
: 那个，只要涂不
: 同漆就可以了。
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l*****s
发帖数: 787 | 36 u didn't get wut i was saying.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: He has to use a Head racket. He is sponsoring the brand, not a
: particular racket.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 37 I was responding to your comments
"head给他用的球拍到底是谁做的还不知道，反正漆涂的是head。"
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
: u didn't get wut i was saying.
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l*****s
发帖数: 787 | 38 exactly. that's why u didn't get it.
wut i was saying is that no matter wut kind of racquet joker is using, no
matter who made the racquet, wut head need 2 do is just put "HEAD" on it.
which means, joker doesn't need to use a racquet made by head even if he
is sponsored by head, he just need to use a racquet which has the word
"HEAD" on it.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I was responding to your comments
: "head给他用的球拍到底是谁做的还不知道，反正漆涂的是head。"
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 39 No. There have been lawsuits against Dunlop or someone with this
issue. Nowadays a brand has to paint over a racket produced by
itself.
That's why when Joker switched to Wilson in early 2007, instead
of directly painting over Head LM Radical MP, Wilson made a clone
of Head first and then painted it as K Blade.
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
: exactly. that's why u didn't get it.
: wut i was saying is that no matter wut kind of racquet joker is using, no
: matter who made the racquet, wut head need 2 do is just put "HEAD" on it.
: which means, joker doesn't need to use a racquet made by head even if he
: is sponsored by head, he just need to use a racquet which has the word
: "HEAD" on it.
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l*****s
发帖数: 787 | 40 thnx. I see. thnx for the information.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: No. There have been lawsuits against Dunlop or someone with this
: issue. Nowadays a brand has to paint over a racket produced by
: itself.
: That's why when Joker switched to Wilson in early 2007, instead
: of directly painting over Head LM Radical MP, Wilson made a clone
: of Head first and then painted it as K Blade.
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