b********a
发帖数: 5418 | 1 最近认识一个长跑的，他说开始换成鸭蹼鞋跑，说自然情况人跑步是不会脚跟先着地的
，而是用脚掌着地，这种情况下足
弓就可以提供足够的缓冲以防膝盖受到损伤，而所谓厚底跑鞋吸收冲击只是厂商为了卖
鞋而宣扬的。所以他现在只穿一个
鸭蹼防止划伤脚底。
我比较外行，不知道老手们有没有心得体会。是不是穿着厚鞋也可以采用脚掌着地的办法？这样就双保险了。不过想起来
很怪。。。。 |
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | |
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 3 The short answer is, your friend is right. You know what, I bet he has read
"Born to Run".:)
However, barefoot running isn't necessarily for everyone, and it takes time
to get used to. If you want to do
barefoot running, you need to build up slowly, starting from walking, slow
jogging, and eventually running,
and running long distances. You need to allow your muscles and tendons to
grow strong. Modern running
shoes make certain muscles weak because they allow you to run in a sloppy
form. While t
【在 b********a 的大作中提到】
: 最近认识一个长跑的，他说开始换成鸭蹼鞋跑，说自然情况人跑步是不会脚跟先着地的
: ，而是用脚掌着地，这种情况下足
: 弓就可以提供足够的缓冲以防膝盖受到损伤，而所谓厚底跑鞋吸收冲击只是厂商为了卖
: 鞋而宣扬的。所以他现在只穿一个
: 鸭蹼防止划伤脚底。
: 我比较外行，不知道老手们有没有心得体会。是不是穿着厚鞋也可以采用脚掌着地的办法？这样就双保险了。不过想起来
: 很怪。。。。
|
g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 4 can you give more detailed information about this book?
author, year? ^_^
read
time
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: The short answer is, your friend is right. You know what, I bet he has read
: "Born to Run".:)
: However, barefoot running isn't necessarily for everyone, and it takes time
: to get used to. If you want to do
: barefoot running, you need to build up slowly, starting from walking, slow
: jogging, and eventually running,
: and running long distances. You need to allow your muscles and tendons to
: grow strong. Modern running
: shoes make certain muscles weak because they allow you to run in a sloppy
: form. While t
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 5 This is a best seller. Just google it and it's the first thing that pops out.
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: can you give more detailed information about this book?
: author, year? ^_^
:
: read
: time
|
A***a
发帖数: 1799 | 6 five fingers are not for everybody. I can not find a fit. even the smallest
size they made for male is too big for me and I failed to find a fit on the
female vibram.
read
time
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: The short answer is, your friend is right. You know what, I bet he has read
: "Born to Run".:)
: However, barefoot running isn't necessarily for everyone, and it takes time
: to get used to. If you want to do
: barefoot running, you need to build up slowly, starting from walking, slow
: jogging, and eventually running,
: and running long distances. You need to allow your muscles and tendons to
: grow strong. Modern running
: shoes make certain muscles weak because they allow you to run in a sloppy
: form. While t
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 7 then it looks like you have to go barefoot, without five fingers.:)
smallest
the
【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: five fingers are not for everybody. I can not find a fit. even the smallest
: size they made for male is too big for me and I failed to find a fit on the
: female vibram.
:
: read
: time
|
s******p
发帖数: 819 | 8 check this page:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-18-2009/christopher-mcdougall
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: can you give more detailed information about this book?
: author, year? ^_^
:
: read
: time
|
A***a
发帖数: 1799 | 9 Yes...that would be awful cause I do see shattered glasses, nails etc around
. I'll settle for minimum shoes.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: then it looks like you have to go barefoot, without five fingers.:)
:
: smallest
: the
|
g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | |
|
|
f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 11 买女式的，参见vibram网站上的说明。
smallest
the
【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: five fingers are not for everybody. I can not find a fit. even the smallest
: size they made for male is too big for me and I failed to find a fit on the
: female vibram.
:
: read
: time
|
w*******s
发帖数: 980 | 12 那你就试试自己做一双跑鞋吧，保证合脚。
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Cool-Weather-Minimalist-Running-Shoes
smallest size they made for male is too big for me and I failed to find a
fit on the female vibram.
【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: five fingers are not for everybody. I can not find a fit. even the smallest
: size they made for male is too big for me and I failed to find a fit on the
: female vibram.
:
: read
: time
|
A***a
发帖数: 1799 | 13 这招不错,不过比VIBRAM更行为艺术.得天黑无人时穿.
【在 w*******s 的大作中提到】
: 那你就试试自己做一双跑鞋吧，保证合脚。
: http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Cool-Weather-Minimalist-Running-Shoes
:
: smallest size they made for male is too big for me and I failed to find a
: fit on the female vibram.
|
w*******s
发帖数: 980 | 14 怕什么，就大白天穿嘛。保证100%回头率
【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: 这招不错,不过比VIBRAM更行为艺术.得天黑无人时穿.
|
b********a
发帖数: 5418 | 15 Thank you so much for the long long reply!
Yes he read the book indeed :) and he experienced the same thing as your
friends, that his pains are gone
running with 5-fingers.
I guess my question really is, can we just run forefoot with regular running
shoes, and would that give us the
same result as 5-fingers. From your own experience I think the answer is a '
yes'. I'll try train myself doing
forefoot and midfoot strikes from now on!
Thank you again.
read
time
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: The short answer is, your friend is right. You know what, I bet he has read
: "Born to Run".:)
: However, barefoot running isn't necessarily for everyone, and it takes time
: to get used to. If you want to do
: barefoot running, you need to build up slowly, starting from walking, slow
: jogging, and eventually running,
: and running long distances. You need to allow your muscles and tendons to
: grow strong. Modern running
: shoes make certain muscles weak because they allow you to run in a sloppy
: form. While t
|
b********a
发帖数: 5418 | 16 Thank you so much for the long long reply!
Yes he read the book indeed :) and he experienced the same thing as your
friends, that his pains are gone
running with 5-fingers.
I guess my question really is, can we just run forefoot with regular running
shoes, and would that give us the
same result as 5-fingers. From your own experience I think the answer is a '
yes'. I'll try train myself doing
forefoot and midfoot strikes from now on!
Thank you again.
read
time
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: The short answer is, your friend is right. You know what, I bet he has read
: "Born to Run".:)
: However, barefoot running isn't necessarily for everyone, and it takes time
: to get used to. If you want to do
: barefoot running, you need to build up slowly, starting from walking, slow
: jogging, and eventually running,
: and running long distances. You need to allow your muscles and tendons to
: grow strong. Modern running
: shoes make certain muscles weak because they allow you to run in a sloppy
: form. While t
|
o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 17 回力.
看来解放鞋的设计其实非常科学啊.
around
【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: Yes...that would be awful cause I do see shattered glasses, nails etc around
: . I'll settle for minimum shoes.
|
z*****a
发帖数: 9790 | 18 不如飞跃
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 回力.
: 看来解放鞋的设计其实非常科学啊.
:
: around
|
o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 19 你回帖太快了.我连想修改原帖都来不及.
不如飞跃
【在 z*****a 的大作中提到】
: 不如飞跃
|
A***a
发帖数: 1799 | 20 你们说回国整两双解放鞋是不是也一个效果.
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 你回帖太快了.我连想修改原帖都来不及.
:
: 不如飞跃
|
|
|
A***a
发帖数: 1799 | 21 No, barefoot does not mean running without socks....
quite the contrary, running without shoes simulates it more. The point of
have that thin layer rubber under your feet is to protect it against cuts.
because you have no support/cushion from your "shoes" you are forced to run
in the right form.
running
'
【在 b********a 的大作中提到】
: Thank you so much for the long long reply!
: Yes he read the book indeed :) and he experienced the same thing as your
: friends, that his pains are gone
: running with 5-fingers.
: I guess my question really is, can we just run forefoot with regular running
: shoes, and would that give us the
: same result as 5-fingers. From your own experience I think the answer is a '
: yes'. I'll try train myself doing
: forefoot and midfoot strikes from now on!
: Thank you again.
|
o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 22 应该是不错的.
你们说回国整两双解放鞋是不是也一个效果.
【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: 你们说回国整两双解放鞋是不是也一个效果.
|
b********a
发帖数: 5418 | 23 Thanks for your reply.
I don't know where i mentioned something like running without socks....
whx already demonstrated that even with regular running shoes, one could
still train him/herself run with
forefoot and midfoot strikes, which answers my question :)
run
【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: No, barefoot does not mean running without socks....
: quite the contrary, running without shoes simulates it more. The point of
: have that thin layer rubber under your feet is to protect it against cuts.
: because you have no support/cushion from your "shoes" you are forced to run
: in the right form.
:
: running
: '
|
w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 24 hehe... I like the idea!
【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: 你们说回国整两双解放鞋是不是也一个效果.
|
w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 25 Has the design for odor-resistant been approved? :)
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 回力.
: 看来解放鞋的设计其实非常科学啊.
:
: around
|
z*****a
发帖数: 9790 | 26 啥鞋是odor-resistant的啊？
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: Has the design for odor-resistant been approved? :)
|
w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 27 My Saucony, but don't know about other
brand. :)
【在 z*****a 的大作中提到】
: 啥鞋是odor-resistant的啊？
|
o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 28 红军长征穿的是草鞋.
难怪那么能跑.
啥鞋是odor-resistant的啊？
【在 z*****a 的大作中提到】
: 啥鞋是odor-resistant的啊？
|
w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 29 Good point!
It's not only odor-resistant, but
also the "green"est product ever!
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 红军长征穿的是草鞋.
: 难怪那么能跑.
:
: 啥鞋是odor-resistant的啊？
|
j**h
发帖数: 1230 | 30 我就是穿五指鞋在跑步机上把脚背震伤了...光脚跑也会把脚震伤的.
办法？这样就双保险了。不过想起来
【在 b********a 的大作中提到】
: 最近认识一个长跑的，他说开始换成鸭蹼鞋跑，说自然情况人跑步是不会脚跟先着地的
: ，而是用脚掌着地，这种情况下足
: 弓就可以提供足够的缓冲以防膝盖受到损伤，而所谓厚底跑鞋吸收冲击只是厂商为了卖
: 鞋而宣扬的。所以他现在只穿一个
: 鸭蹼防止划伤脚底。
: 我比较外行，不知道老手们有没有心得体会。是不是穿着厚鞋也可以采用脚掌着地的办法？这样就双保险了。不过想起来
: 很怪。。。。
|
|
|
j**h
发帖数: 1230 | 31 五指鞋就是odor-resistant.至少我这双至今还是.
【在 z*****a 的大作中提到】
: 啥鞋是odor-resistant的啊？
|
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 32 嗯，这个鞋我觉得不是任何人都合适的， 特别是新手， 最容易伤的时候，
需要的就是减震的鞋。。
【在 j**h 的大作中提到】
: 我就是穿五指鞋在跑步机上把脚背震伤了...光脚跑也会把脚震伤的.
:
: 办法？这样就双保险了。不过想起来
|
b********a
发帖数: 5418 | 33 恩。。。我需要两方面的信息。。。。
为什么呢？是没有循序渐进？还是说穿鞋震膝盖，穿五指震脚。。。。
【在 j**h 的大作中提到】
: 我就是穿五指鞋在跑步机上把脚背震伤了...光脚跑也会把脚震伤的.
:
: 办法？这样就双保险了。不过想起来
|
f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 34 循序渐进。
【在 b********a 的大作中提到】
: 恩。。。我需要两方面的信息。。。。
: 为什么呢？是没有循序渐进？还是说穿鞋震膝盖，穿五指震脚。。。。
|
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 35 是说你腿部肌肉强大， 跑步姿势对的话， 不穿鞋（就是鸭蹼鞋的意义）也不容易伤，
否则还是穿高级跑鞋来过渡比较好。。。。
【在 b********a 的大作中提到】
: 恩。。。我需要两方面的信息。。。。
: 为什么呢？是没有循序渐进？还是说穿鞋震膝盖，穿五指震脚。。。。
|
b********a
发帖数: 5418 | 36 你说的高级跑鞋还是普通鞋，不是鸭蹼对吧？
所以最好是先锻炼前掌着地的跑法，然后再看是不是要脱掉跑鞋上鸭蹼？
多谢回复
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 是说你腿部肌肉强大， 跑步姿势对的话， 不穿鞋（就是鸭蹼鞋的意义）也不容易伤，
: 否则还是穿高级跑鞋来过渡比较好。。。。
|
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 37 不同的姿势使用的肌肉力量都不一样
不管哪种改变，一下子变化太大都容易受伤
跑很快的人，跑很慢的pace也是很艰难的，穆哈哈哈~~
我没试过五指，但试过forefoot。对我来说，最大的问题是肌肉不够强劲，速度控制不
下来，基本上400M就是我forefoot的极限//blush
另一方面，脚弓力量也不行，track跑完脚会不舒服几天。
我觉得不一定那个就一定好，那个就一定不好。了解各自的利弊优缺，根据需要采用就
好了。
【在 b********a 的大作中提到】
: 恩。。。我需要两方面的信息。。。。
: 为什么呢？是没有循序渐进？还是说穿鞋震膝盖，穿五指震脚。。。。
|
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 38 对， 高级跑鞋就是指跑鞋中的中高档鞋， feature比较多， 减震很好，
asics里面就是under用nimbus, 轻微的over用kayano...
鸭蹼的意义就是让你懂得怎么用减震最小的姿势跑步， 因为鞋子不能
帮你减震了， 只能靠自己的腿控制， 尽量落脚要轻。。。
不过这些东西多跑跑自己慢慢就能体会到了， 不一定非要上鸭蹼。。
最重要的其实是记得高步频， 小步幅。。。
【在 b********a 的大作中提到】
: 你说的高级跑鞋还是普通鞋，不是鸭蹼对吧？
: 所以最好是先锻炼前掌着地的跑法，然后再看是不是要脱掉跑鞋上鸭蹼？
: 多谢回复
|
s******e
发帖数: 648 | 39 请问什么样的是高级跑鞋？
看价钱还是看牌子？
我去店里试过五指鸭蹼鞋，有好几种样式的，但是普遍比较夹脚趾，就是那个脚趾之间
的材料让脚趾挤
得慌。最后想，我还是新手呢，先跑了半马再说吧，就没买。
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 是说你腿部肌肉强大， 跑步姿势对的话， 不穿鞋（就是鸭蹼鞋的意义）也不容易伤，
: 否则还是穿高级跑鞋来过渡比较好。。。。
|
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 40 看楼上， 好的跑鞋对新手尤其重要， 新手是最容易受伤的。。
【在 s******e 的大作中提到】
: 请问什么样的是高级跑鞋？
: 看价钱还是看牌子？
: 我去店里试过五指鸭蹼鞋，有好几种样式的，但是普遍比较夹脚趾，就是那个脚趾之间
: 的材料让脚趾挤
: 得慌。最后想，我还是新手呢，先跑了半马再说吧，就没买。
|
|
|
s******e
发帖数: 648 | 41 对呀，但是什么样的是高级跑鞋？
跑步以来买的第一双鞋是参考runner's world上的review买的asics 的kayon 15， 100
多点，
算高级？
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 看楼上， 好的跑鞋对新手尤其重要， 新手是最容易受伤的。。
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 42 According to Born to Run, there is no evidence that more expensive shoes
help preventing running injuries. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Runners
who wear more expensive running shoes are MORE LIKELY to get injured. The
best shoes are worst for you. Double the price, double the pain.:)
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 看楼上， 好的跑鞋对新手尤其重要， 新手是最容易受伤的。。
|
m****i
发帖数: 1980 | 43 我来补充一下哦，也许是谬论或者巧合，但是我发现好多脚掌着地的RUNNER，都有非常
发达的小腿肚子。所以，我认为，练习脚掌着地会把小腿肚子练的很发达。
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: 不同的姿势使用的肌肉力量都不一样
: 不管哪种改变，一下子变化太大都容易受伤
: 跑很快的人，跑很慢的pace也是很艰难的，穆哈哈哈~~
: 我没试过五指，但试过forefoot。对我来说，最大的问题是肌肉不够强劲，速度控制不
: 下来，基本上400M就是我forefoot的极限//blush
: 另一方面，脚弓力量也不行，track跑完脚会不舒服几天。
: 我觉得不一定那个就一定好，那个就一定不好。了解各自的利弊优缺，根据需要采用就
: 好了。
|
b********a
发帖数: 5418 | 44 诶。。。。
那我更犹豫了。。。天生已经是小腿粗壮。。。。
【在 m****i 的大作中提到】
: 我来补充一下哦，也许是谬论或者巧合，但是我发现好多脚掌着地的RUNNER，都有非常
: 发达的小腿肚子。所以，我认为，练习脚掌着地会把小腿肚子练的很发达。
|
d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 45 体重减轻了自然跑姿也好起来,跑得也快起来了
【在 m****i 的大作中提到】
: 我来补充一下哦，也许是谬论或者巧合，但是我发现好多脚掌着地的RUNNER，都有非常
: 发达的小腿肚子。所以，我认为，练习脚掌着地会把小腿肚子练的很发达。
|
j*****n
发帖数: 943 | 46 Can you share more info about your friend who has a lower back pain
problem. How did him recover from it besides the five fingers? That has
been killing me for about 2 years.
read
time
slow
to
sloppy
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: The short answer is, your friend is right. You know what, I bet he has read
: "Born to Run".:)
: However, barefoot running isn't necessarily for everyone, and it takes time
: to get used to. If you want to do
: barefoot running, you need to build up slowly, starting from walking, slow
: jogging, and eventually running,
: and running long distances. You need to allow your muscles and tendons to
: grow strong. Modern running
: shoes make certain muscles weak because they allow you to run in a sloppy
: form. While t
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 47 He wore aquasocks for protection instead of five fingers. When he jogs
barefoot, there is no pain. When he
runs in shoes, his back hurts. That's it.
If you want to know why, read "Born to Run".
【在 j*****n 的大作中提到】
: Can you share more info about your friend who has a lower back pain
: problem. How did him recover from it besides the five fingers? That has
: been killing me for about 2 years.
:
: read
: time
: slow
: to
: sloppy
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 48 I tried running with forefoot landing this morning in parts of my run. I
didn't feel any impact on my knees in these parts at all. And after running
a while with forefoot landing, somehow some muscle somewhere was warmed up
and it felt really good. Thanks!
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: He wore aquasocks for protection instead of five fingers. When he jogs
: barefoot, there is no pain. When he
: runs in shoes, his back hurts. That's it.
: If you want to know why, read "Born to Run".
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 49 good for you!
running
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: I tried running with forefoot landing this morning in parts of my run. I
: didn't feel any impact on my knees in these parts at all. And after running
: a while with forefoot landing, somehow some muscle somewhere was warmed up
: and it felt really good. Thanks!
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 50 上周末去看了看那本书， 感觉不是我的type， 至少俺还没到这个层次。。。
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: He wore aquasocks for protection instead of five fingers. When he jogs
: barefoot, there is no pain. When he
: runs in shoes, his back hurts. That's it.
: If you want to know why, read "Born to Run".
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 51 You mean, you prefer a book with a list of schedules that tell you what to
do each and every day?
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 上周末去看了看那本书， 感觉不是我的type， 至少俺还没到这个层次。。。
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 52 不是， schedule我都只参考， 我希望了解的是原理。。。上回baiji说的lore of
running就比较
对胃口。。。born to run 可能比较隐晦， 像故事书里蕴含巨大的哲理， 俺没有耐心
：）
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: You mean, you prefer a book with a list of schedules that tell you what to
: do each and every day?
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 53 That's right, Born to Run, you have to read the whole thing. You cannot
expect to pick up a chapter and know
what he's talking about. I also don't have patience with books, but I did
finish reading Born to Run in 4 days.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 不是， schedule我都只参考， 我希望了解的是原理。。。上回baiji说的lore of
: running就比较
: 对胃口。。。born to run 可能比较隐晦， 像故事书里蕴含巨大的哲理， 俺没有耐心
: ：）
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e****q
发帖数: 1668 | 54 什么伤？骨裂吗？我前天就穿一般跑鞋用前脚掌跑，完了脚弓疼。
【在 j**h 的大作中提到】
: 我就是穿五指鞋在跑步机上把脚背震伤了...光脚跑也会把脚震伤的.
:
: 办法？这样就双保险了。不过想起来
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 55 If you decide to drastically change your running form, you will get slower
before you can get faster. It takes time for your feet and legs to grow
stronger.
【在 e****q 的大作中提到】
: 什么伤？骨裂吗？我前天就穿一般跑鞋用前脚掌跑，完了脚弓疼。
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e****q
发帖数: 1668 | 56 就5.5迈的速度跑了有十几分钟而已。我本来也不是avid runner.
slower
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: If you decide to drastically change your running form, you will get slower
: before you can get faster. It takes time for your feet and legs to grow
: stronger.
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