z******1
发帖数: 666 | 1 奥巴马赢了，Obamacare估计谁也挡不住了。
对老百姓来说，这个医改肯定有好处。 好像有的医生不太高兴。有的人似乎对这事很
有心得，对这事研究的挺明白。能不能谁出来给大家说说，让大家心里有个概念。 今
天看了一篇文章，似乎有点道理。
The Election Is Today, and Americans Still Don't Understand Obamacare
The passage of health care reform has been President Obama's biggest
legislative achievement—but also his biggest political liability.
Republicans have spent hundreds of millions of dollars attacking the law,
claiming, variously, that it will raise taxes, harm Medicare, and place
government bureaucrats in charge of health care decisions. The Obama
administration and its allies, meanwhile, have been woefully unable to cut
through the noise and clearly articulate to Americans how Obamacare will
benefit them. If Obama loses the election on Tuesday, their failure to do so
could be a factor in his electoral downfall.
Between 2010, when the law passed, and mid-June, when the Supreme Court was
poised to decide its fate, Obamacare opponents dumped a combined $235
million into ads attacking the law. Supporters only spent $69 million,
according to the New York Times. Of that, the Obama campaign spent a measly
$700,000 defending the president's signature accomplishment.
The result of the spending disparity is striking. A Harris poll out this
week shows that more than 30 percent of the country would still like to see
the law repealed entirely, and another 22 percent would like to see parts of
it repealed. The poll also suggests that even two years after the law
passed, and after millions of people have started to see real benefits from
it, most Americans remain clueless about how Obamacare works. One glaring
example: The poll found that 34 percent of Republicans and 21 percent of
independent voters erroneously believe the law has increased their taxes. (
It hasn't. None of the law's tax provisions kick in until 2013. When they do
, they will only affect individuals earning more than $200,000 a year, whose
Medicare taxes will increase by 0.9 percent.)
Republican voters in particular are inclined to think the worst about the
law, discounting its upsides even when they have or will likely benefit from
its provisions, according to the poll. I discovered how deep this
phenomenon runs when I was in Utah in August reporting on a congressional
race. One night, I attended a Salt Lake City town hall meeting with Sen.
John McCain (R-Ariz.) and GOP candidate Mia Love. Love has been extremely
outspoken in her opposition to Obamacare and her desire to see it repealed,
even though she hasn't proposed any reasonable alternative plans. (When
asked about her own health care proposals during the event, Love offered up
measures that had already been passed as part of Obamacare.)
After the town hall, Denise Hadley, a West Jordan woman who suffers from
multiple sclerosis, approached Love to ask her how she would address the
high price of prescription drugs, noting that one medication she takes costs
$46,000 a year. Love informed her that any solution would require a "free-
market response," and she promised to arrange a meeting with her to discuss
the problem. (She never did.)
Love's non-answer on the prescription drug question didn't leave Hadley
looking to Democrats for better ones, though. Instead, she told me she is "
100 percent against Obama." And she still agreed with Love—and many other
Republicans—that Obamacare should be repealed. Hadley seemed unaware of the
myriad ways in which the law was likely to help her.
Diagnosed with MS at 32, Hadley is now 55 and occasionally has to use a
wheelchair for long trips. She works as a receptionist for a medical company
earning $13 an hour. She has two separate insurance plans to meet her
health care needs, one through her employer and one through her husband's.
But before Obamacare, her illness put her at high risk of both losing her
insurance and also becoming uninsurable, one of the reasons the National
Multiple Sclerosis Society supported the law. Thanks to Obamacare, Hadley is
now protected from those fates since insurance companies are required to
cover everyone, no matter how sick.
The new law may also reduce Hadley's out-of-pocket health care costs
significantly. Her insurance covers the $46,000-a-year drug that keeps her
healthy, but often requires $700 to $800 a month in co-pays. That one drug
often eats up much of her paycheck. Once Obamacare is fully implemented in
2014, though, Hadley could benefit from a new cap on out-of-pocket expenses
in all insurance plans offered on the individual market or in small group
plans. The cap is based on a sliding scale depending on income, but still
means that in such plans, her maximum out-of-pocket costs would be no more
than about $6,000 (excluding premiums). The provision could save Hadley at
least $1,000 a year just based on the cost of a single drug she uses, and
probably more.
Moreover, depending on her income and the sort of insurance her employer and
her husband's offer, she may be eligible to buy a single and much better
insurance plan than the ones she presently has from a state exchange. By law
, those plans will be required to cover a broader range of services than
many existing insurance plans, including a host of therapeutic services that
are often critical to people with MS. She might also qualify for a tax
credit to offset the cost of the new premiums. Hadley, though didn't know
any of this. She emailed me later to tell me she voted for Love, who would
like to see all of these benefits eliminated.
Hadley wasn't the only person I met that night in Salt Lake who was
vehemently opposed to a law that would so obviously help her. Chelsea
Woodruff is a state Republican Party delegate and candidate for the state
Senate. Woodruff is an example of how the Republicans have persuaded white,
working-class Americans continue to vote against their own economic
interests, in this case with regard to health care.
After being unemployed for more than two years until recently, Woodruff says
she has been a beneficiary of virtually every federal anti-poverty program
that Love, along with Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, would like to cut or
eliminate, including food stamps; the Women, Infants, and Children nutrition
program; Medicaid; and even the federal mortgage relief program. Woodruff's
husband is uninsured, and she recently filed for bankruptcy because of $60,
000 worth of medical debt that Obamacare might have averted. But Woodruff
would still like to see Obamacare repealed because she believes "government
is not the answer."
When I suggested that Obamacare might actually help her family, particularly
her uninsured husband, Woodruff argued with me about it before she stalked
off muttering something about the $3,000 in taxes she claimed the law was
going to force her to pay. (It won't.)
Ethan Rome isn't surprised by Woodruff's reaction, or Hadley's. He's the
executive director of Health Care for America Now, an advocacy group that
has been deeply involved in promoting Obamacare and educating the public on
how it might help them. He says that even if Obama had expended more cash
and effort trying to persuade voters that Obamacare is good for them, it
probably wouldn't have made that much of a difference.
The administration, he argues, "has been as active as an administration
could be on any issue. They fill up email boxes every single day with the
good news about this law. The president has been extremely forceful and
clear about both the specific benefits of this law. But we are talking about
the most complicated and significant piece of social policy in 40-plus
years, and it's been demonized and vilified by opponents who have an
extraordinary amount of money and have the benefit of the most polarized
electorate in the history of our country."
Rome believes that people like Hadley and Woodruff will eventually come
around to the health care law once they experience the benefits first hand.
But those benefits aren't coming fast enough to help Obama in this election.
And they may never materialize if he loses. After all, the Republican
candidates Woodruff and Hadley are supporting are planning to get rid of
those health care improvements long before they ever have a chance to win
Democrats any votes | L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 2 Read what the physicians are saying. Not propaganda stuff for the elementary
undergraduate.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.7
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 奥巴马赢了，Obamacare估计谁也挡不住了。
: 对老百姓来说，这个医改肯定有好处。 好像有的医生不太高兴。有的人似乎对这事很
: 有心得，对这事研究的挺明白。能不能谁出来给大家说说，让大家心里有个概念。 今
: 天看了一篇文章，似乎有点道理。
: The Election Is Today, and Americans Still Don't Understand Obamacare
: The passage of health care reform has been President Obama's biggest
: legislative achievement—but also his biggest political liability.
: Republicans have spent hundreds of millions of dollars attacking the law,
: claiming, variously, that it will raise taxes, harm Medicare, and place
: government bureaucrats in charge of health care decisions. The Obama
| C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 3 Obamacare affects everyone with a job. The bottom line is cost. who pay for
it? 没有工作的和学生当然支持.
If that person need $46,000 a year for drug, who pay for it? Obamacare is
not going to lower the drug tab. all tax payer pay for it. The elimination
of pre-existing condition, many patients cost millions, and your insurance
bill already up shot to cover for it. How the heck this article said
Obamacare was not effective?
when only the minority of the society use the medical resource, it still be
all right. When every single person need the most expensive care, who pay
for it.
医生是这个职业的掘墓人,现代医学发展太快, 有钱,许多病可以无限延长.HIV就是典型
,如果每个人都想魔术师那么用药,你愿意买单吗? 现在有许多HIV是没有控制好,才死的
.还有BMT. 最后结果就是限量.像医保.
官僚机构就是产生腐败,你愿意和UPS打交道还是USPS? 邮局每年涨价,还是亏本.
OBAMARE 就是对律师有好处,医院都专门找律师研究条款.
对纳税人,明年保险肯定提高.对医生什么影响,现在都是猜.反正都通过了,just deal
with it.
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 奥巴马赢了，Obamacare估计谁也挡不住了。
: 对老百姓来说，这个医改肯定有好处。 好像有的医生不太高兴。有的人似乎对这事很
: 有心得，对这事研究的挺明白。能不能谁出来给大家说说，让大家心里有个概念。 今
: 天看了一篇文章，似乎有点道理。
: The Election Is Today, and Americans Still Don't Understand Obamacare
: The passage of health care reform has been President Obama's biggest
: legislative achievement—but also his biggest political liability.
: Republicans have spent hundreds of millions of dollars attacking the law,
: claiming, variously, that it will raise taxes, harm Medicare, and place
: government bureaucrats in charge of health care decisions. The Obama
| A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 4 Obamacare IS to raise taxes, harm Medicare, and place government bureaucrats
in charge of health care decisions.
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 奥巴马赢了，Obamacare估计谁也挡不住了。
: 对老百姓来说，这个医改肯定有好处。 好像有的医生不太高兴。有的人似乎对这事很
: 有心得，对这事研究的挺明白。能不能谁出来给大家说说，让大家心里有个概念。 今
: 天看了一篇文章，似乎有点道理。
: The Election Is Today, and Americans Still Don't Understand Obamacare
: The passage of health care reform has been President Obama's biggest
: legislative achievement—but also his biggest political liability.
: Republicans have spent hundreds of millions of dollars attacking the law,
: claiming, variously, that it will raise taxes, harm Medicare, and place
: government bureaucrats in charge of health care decisions. The Obama
| z******1
发帖数: 666 | 5 Where,where... are the physicians saying? Would you please give a link?
I talked to a surgical oncologist. He said because more people had insurance
, the doctors had more customers. Then the doctors earned more money.
elementary
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: Read what the physicians are saying. Not propaganda stuff for the elementary
: undergraduate.
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.7
| z******1
发帖数: 666 | 6 现在的钱都让保险公司挣去了。政府接管后可以省一大笔钱。
bureaucrats
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: Obamacare IS to raise taxes, harm Medicare, and place government bureaucrats
: in charge of health care decisions.
| z******1
发帖数: 666 | 7 这个我觉得有道理。和我想得差不多。 特别是这句。
“对医生什么影响,现在都是猜.反正都通过了,just deal
with it.”
for
be
【在 C*****D 的大作中提到】
: Obamacare affects everyone with a job. The bottom line is cost. who pay for
: it? 没有工作的和学生当然支持.
: If that person need $46,000 a year for drug, who pay for it? Obamacare is
: not going to lower the drug tab. all tax payer pay for it. The elimination
: of pre-existing condition, many patients cost millions, and your insurance
: bill already up shot to cover for it. How the heck this article said
: Obamacare was not effective?
: when only the minority of the society use the medical resource, it still be
: all right. When every single person need the most expensive care, who pay
: for it.
| A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 8 看来你没有在官僚机构呆过， 也没有跟kaiser这样的类似政府机构打过交道。
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 现在的钱都让保险公司挣去了。政府接管后可以省一大笔钱。
:
: bureaucrats
| L****n
发帖数: 12932 | | C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 10 对医生，确实几家欢喜几家愁。
那些现在老收不到钱的，巴不得OBAMACARE早来呢。
insurance
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: Where,where... are the physicians saying? Would you please give a link?
: I talked to a surgical oncologist. He said because more people had insurance
: , the doctors had more customers. Then the doctors earned more money.
:
: elementary
| | | z******1
发帖数: 666 | 11 官僚机构工作是我梦寐以求的啊，可惜没有机会。不过办绿卡确实给我气得够呛。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 看来你没有在官僚机构呆过， 也没有跟kaiser这样的类似政府机构打过交道。
| a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 12 I only worked in government agency for one month when I was young. All I can
tell you is that I appreciate the experience and want to say "One month is
good enough for me to know they are CRAP"
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 看来你没有在官僚机构呆过， 也没有跟kaiser这样的类似政府机构打过交道。
| a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 13 well, you will have your chance. O8 care is coming
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 官僚机构工作是我梦寐以求的啊，可惜没有机会。不过办绿卡确实给我气得够呛。
| z******1
发帖数: 666 | 14 简单看了一下，我觉得这篇文章太从医生自己的利益考虑了。
从整个社会讲，医生自己开业或者在医院工作是一点也不重要。有效率的为患者服务才
是第一位的。
医生的孩子学不学医一点也不重要。有的是人要想学。
医生可能自己从来不去急诊室，或者有特殊待遇。急诊室的情况不可能再差了。用更差
的急诊服务来吓唬人，我先笑了。
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: http://www.scribd.com/doc/110460852/Dr-Naffah-on-Obamacare
| L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 15
侈言差异， when physician are all hired by hospital, with no option to do
otherwise, this will become exactly like socialist medicine, how in the
world u would expect they work efficiently? Do you really believe there are
白求恩s who devote their soul for you? Physicians will be put to the
opposite side of the patient just like what we are seeing in China.
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 简单看了一下，我觉得这篇文章太从医生自己的利益考虑了。
: 从整个社会讲，医生自己开业或者在医院工作是一点也不重要。有效率的为患者服务才
: 是第一位的。
: 医生的孩子学不学医一点也不重要。有的是人要想学。
: 医生可能自己从来不去急诊室，或者有特殊待遇。急诊室的情况不可能再差了。用更差
: 的急诊服务来吓唬人，我先笑了。
| A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 16 Very well said.
are
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
:
: 侈言差异， when physician are all hired by hospital, with no option to do
: otherwise, this will become exactly like socialist medicine, how in the
: world u would expect they work efficiently? Do you really believe there are
: 白求恩s who devote their soul for you? Physicians will be put to the
: opposite side of the patient just like what we are seeing in China.
| A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 17 The next year will be interesting as more and more doctors retire, go part
time or simply quit.
Obamacare has arrived...
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 奥巴马赢了，Obamacare估计谁也挡不住了。
: 对老百姓来说，这个医改肯定有好处。 好像有的医生不太高兴。有的人似乎对这事很
: 有心得，对这事研究的挺明白。能不能谁出来给大家说说，让大家心里有个概念。 今
: 天看了一篇文章，似乎有点道理。
: The Election Is Today, and Americans Still Don't Understand Obamacare
: The passage of health care reform has been President Obama's biggest
: legislative achievement—but also his biggest political liability.
: Republicans have spent hundreds of millions of dollars attacking the law,
: claiming, variously, that it will raise taxes, harm Medicare, and place
: government bureaucrats in charge of health care decisions. The Obama
| z******1
发帖数: 666 | 18 打个不恰当的比方，美国的医生如同中国的贪官，那是斩不尽杀不绝的。钱在起作用么。
你觉得钱少了，别人还跃跃欲试呢。看看医疗职业版就知道了。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: The next year will be interesting as more and more doctors retire, go part
: time or simply quit.
: Obamacare has arrived...
| A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 19 这个比喻确实不恰当。
多劳多得变成多劳多交，干的活愈多，交的税越多，何必呢？ 一周工作3天，一年20万
，挺好。
么。
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 打个不恰当的比方，美国的医生如同中国的贪官，那是斩不尽杀不绝的。钱在起作用么。
: 你觉得钱少了，别人还跃跃欲试呢。看看医疗职业版就知道了。
| s********o
发帖数: 3319 | 20 我也觉得美国这边的急诊很烂，很多其他的方面也需要大改特改才能更好地为病人服务。
不过o8的改革好象会把它变得更烂，并没有解决现在医院存在的问题，反而带来新的问
题。
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 简单看了一下，我觉得这篇文章太从医生自己的利益考虑了。
: 从整个社会讲，医生自己开业或者在医院工作是一点也不重要。有效率的为患者服务才
: 是第一位的。
: 医生的孩子学不学医一点也不重要。有的是人要想学。
: 医生可能自己从来不去急诊室，或者有特殊待遇。急诊室的情况不可能再差了。用更差
: 的急诊服务来吓唬人，我先笑了。
| | | L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 21 Let's say if you set the physician salary to postdoctoral level, I'm sure
they will still be filled. They are plenty of people in the world who would
take the 50k salary and work day and night. They are also highly educated
and intelligent, just like our fellows next door. The question is will you
trust yourself to that kinda doctor: they are struggling for their life,
they thinking about making an extra few dimes buying and selling iPods while
off work, and you hoping he takes care of you whole heatedly? you dont have
to second guess all the decisions he make about your health? For that peace
of mindI would pay top dollar.
么。
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 打个不恰当的比方，美国的医生如同中国的贪官，那是斩不尽杀不绝的。钱在起作用么。
: 你觉得钱少了，别人还跃跃欲试呢。看看医疗职业版就知道了。
| R****e
发帖数: 53 | 22 中国的贪官都跟你想的一样，所谓的高薪养廉，看看中国现在的贪官数量。没有制度的
保障，你以为高薪可以防止想你样的人的腐败？
would
while
have
peace
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: Let's say if you set the physician salary to postdoctoral level, I'm sure
: they will still be filled. They are plenty of people in the world who would
: take the 50k salary and work day and night. They are also highly educated
: and intelligent, just like our fellows next door. The question is will you
: trust yourself to that kinda doctor: they are struggling for their life,
: they thinking about making an extra few dimes buying and selling iPods while
: off work, and you hoping he takes care of you whole heatedly? you dont have
: to second guess all the decisions he make about your health? For that peace
: of mindI would pay top dollar.
:
| b*****l
发帖数: 8603 | 23 打住哈，嫩自己都说了不跟人家的帖了，老大人了说话不算话。。。
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: 中国的贪官都跟你想的一样，所谓的高薪养廉，看看中国现在的贪官数量。没有制度的
: 保障，你以为高薪可以防止想你样的人的腐败？
:
: would
: while
: have
: peace
| L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 24 尼玛， 格老子不抢你不讹你不逼你不骗你， 每刀都是挣来的上税的。 你要觉得贵可
以去别家， 你要真付不起写封信老子也就算了。 怎么就腐败了？ 硬要说腐败，N年前
单身时也回国风月过， 非礼了你家什么人那真对不起了。呵呵。
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: 中国的贪官都跟你想的一样，所谓的高薪养廉，看看中国现在的贪官数量。没有制度的
: 保障，你以为高薪可以防止想你样的人的腐败？
:
: would
: while
: have
: peace
| A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 25 搬个小板凳听大夫讲过去的风花雪月。
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛， 格老子不抢你不讹你不逼你不骗你， 每刀都是挣来的上税的。 你要觉得贵可
: 以去别家， 你要真付不起写封信老子也就算了。 怎么就腐败了？ 硬要说腐败，N年前
: 单身时也回国风月过， 非礼了你家什么人那真对不起了。呵呵。
| b*****l
发帖数: 8603 | 26 嘿嘿，当心我给告诉嫂子去哈。。。。咱打住吧。。。
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛， 格老子不抢你不讹你不逼你不骗你， 每刀都是挣来的上税的。 你要觉得贵可
: 以去别家， 你要真付不起写封信老子也就算了。 怎么就腐败了？ 硬要说腐败，N年前
: 单身时也回国风月过， 非礼了你家什么人那真对不起了。呵呵。
| b*****l
发帖数: 8603 | 27 八婆。。。：））））
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 搬个小板凳听大夫讲过去的风花雪月。
| z******1
发帖数: 666 | 28 我想这样算笔账，不知有无道理。
美国十分之一的人口没有医保，也就是三千万人没医保。现在政府资助他们买保险，医
疗人口增加十分之一。那百分之九十还是雇主给买保险，没有变化，所以医生的收入
能增加百分之十。
当然这是有条件的，就是政府要投钱。最终从纳税人手中出。
奥巴马说二十五万是一条线。大陆来的行医人员，包括病理内科家庭科，超过这条线的
人不多。所以会是医保的受益者。
像神经，麻醉等医生，像佳佳所说，干三天一年挣二十万，全勤就在三十五万。医改后
加百分之十，基本收入在四十万。假设现在税率在百分之二十五，医改后涨到百分之三
十。
就是现在实挣二十六万，医改以后略涨至二十八万，也就是说收入不会减少。
至于心脏外科，脑外科可以挣到更高，影响也比较大，但大陆来的估计极少可以干到那
个层次，也就忽略不计了。
would
while
have
peace
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: Let's say if you set the physician salary to postdoctoral level, I'm sure
: they will still be filled. They are plenty of people in the world who would
: take the 50k salary and work day and night. They are also highly educated
: and intelligent, just like our fellows next door. The question is will you
: trust yourself to that kinda doctor: they are struggling for their life,
: they thinking about making an extra few dimes buying and selling iPods while
: off work, and you hoping he takes care of you whole heatedly? you dont have
: to second guess all the decisions he make about your health? For that peace
: of mindI would pay top dollar.
:
| A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 29 哪那么简单，政府补助保险后，钱不够只能省，所以医生的fee schedule一定会减，像
EMG就是50%的cut。
btw，我说20万指的是不用多交税率的上限，没别的意思。
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 我想这样算笔账，不知有无道理。
: 美国十分之一的人口没有医保，也就是三千万人没医保。现在政府资助他们买保险，医
: 疗人口增加十分之一。那百分之九十还是雇主给买保险，没有变化，所以医生的收入
: 能增加百分之十。
: 当然这是有条件的，就是政府要投钱。最终从纳税人手中出。
: 奥巴马说二十五万是一条线。大陆来的行医人员，包括病理内科家庭科，超过这条线的
: 人不多。所以会是医保的受益者。
: 像神经，麻醉等医生，像佳佳所说，干三天一年挣二十万，全勤就在三十五万。医改后
: 加百分之十，基本收入在四十万。假设现在税率在百分之二十五，医改后涨到百分之三
: 十。
| z******1
发帖数: 666 | 30 不管怎么说吧，蒙古大夫的五万还是太搞笑了。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 哪那么简单，政府补助保险后，钱不够只能省，所以医生的fee schedule一定会减，像
: EMG就是50%的cut。
: btw，我说20万指的是不用多交税率的上限，没别的意思。
| | | A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 31 政客们现在天天都在梦想， 让医生们都加入医院集团， 拿工资干活，这个工资当然是
政客们说了算，经济不好给5万也不是不可能。 不愿意干，让你走人，反正有的是人愿
意干。
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: 不管怎么说吧，蒙古大夫的五万还是太搞笑了。
| z******1
发帖数: 666 | 32 钱不会少的，少了谁也不能干。这其实也是美国最大的问题。都是少出力，多挣钱，多
享受。一个力工也得住个大房子。 移民除外。
在大医院会少些自由，倒是真的。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 政客们现在天天都在梦想， 让医生们都加入医院集团， 拿工资干活，这个工资当然是
: 政客们说了算，经济不好给5万也不是不可能。 不愿意干，让你走人，反正有的是人愿
: 意干。
| q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 33 Bio postdoc worked a lot harder than them. They are smart and highly
educated.
Now where is the "more work, more rewarding" for them?
Doc get much because it is limited competition, limited supply, not because
they work more.
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 这个比喻确实不恰当。
: 多劳多得变成多劳多交，干的活愈多，交的税越多，何必呢？ 一周工作3天，一年20万
: ，挺好。
:
: 么。
| L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 34 又一个被洗脑的可怜孩子。
because
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: Bio postdoc worked a lot harder than them. They are smart and highly
: educated.
: Now where is the "more work, more rewarding" for them?
: Doc get much because it is limited competition, limited supply, not because
: they work more.
| A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 35 Amen
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 又一个被洗脑的可怜孩子。
:
: because
| z******1
发帖数: 666 | 36 Men,啊..
开个玩笑。多数医生都是生物博士后过来的。 生物博士后是不易，但那也不是一个工
作呀。
because
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: Bio postdoc worked a lot harder than them. They are smart and highly
: educated.
: Now where is the "more work, more rewarding" for them?
: Doc get much because it is limited competition, limited supply, not because
: they work more.
| L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 37 This answers the question:"what does obamacare means to US"
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I already said,
first every body pays more, no just a little more- average 50% more.
Second, people who do the work gets less, or work more with no more pay.
Third, if u wonder where the money goes, for everyone that working, there
are now 2 persons looking over your shoulder, constontly re minding you how
to do thing, even though they don't know jackass about how to do things,
they do know how to write "policies" tho, and getting administrative pay and
life time benefits for that. And they can just as easily have 1 more
person to supervise those 2, the bottom line is, there will never be enough
money if u have beaurocrap in charge. And they will leave an endless hole
of debt, just look at USPS, last year they lost 5BILLION, everybody so
shocked, this year they lost freaking 17B! and nobody is even lifting an
eyebrow, who they lost the money to? Retirement pension funds and benefits.
And those cushy jobs will never come to us.
This is what Obamacare really mean for us. |
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