r*****t
发帖数: 53 | 1 苦恼中。。。patho 还是 neuro？个人比较偏向patho。但因为本人先天资质平平,不知是否会影响将来找工作，因为知道病理工作职位比较
competitive。急请前辈指教！多谢！ | C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 2 I don't know neurology market, so I don't know how to compare. I only can
tell you about the path market.
Path is a small specialty, if you have geographic limitation, it will be
tough.
The market is still very good, initially I thought this year will be bad,
but it turn out to be very stronge. There will be more openings than the
graduated residents.
Unfortunately, many openings are in rural area, they are not very attractive
for most people.
If you will be able to squeeze into derm, GI fellowship programs, you won't
have the problems to find the job. Blood bank>Cyto> surgical>GU>peds and
Heme will be OK in a descending order. The rest fellowships you have to
graduate from top programs.
Overall, you need get into a program in a tertiary center with at least 30,
000 cases/year, otherwise, you might find it difficult to find a good
fellowship or job afterwards. | P********r
发帖数: 92 | 3 开心的叩谢一个。
attractive
t
【在 C*****D 的大作中提到】
: I don't know neurology market, so I don't know how to compare. I only can
: tell you about the path market.
: Path is a small specialty, if you have geographic limitation, it will be
: tough.
: The market is still very good, initially I thought this year will be bad,
: but it turn out to be very stronge. There will be more openings than the
: graduated residents.
: Unfortunately, many openings are in rural area, they are not very attractive
: for most people.
: If you will be able to squeeze into derm, GI fellowship programs, you won't
| r*****t
发帖数: 53 | 4 前辈的回答真是及时雨，真professional。非常感谢！我想我99.99%是选病理了
。我要去的program 的人都申到了top fellowships，我努力一下估计也能找个地方。看了一下网上找工作的网站，感觉挺好的。 再此感谢您！
attractive
t
【在 C*****D 的大作中提到】
: I don't know neurology market, so I don't know how to compare. I only can
: tell you about the path market.
: Path is a small specialty, if you have geographic limitation, it will be
: tough.
: The market is still very good, initially I thought this year will be bad,
: but it turn out to be very stronge. There will be more openings than the
: graduated residents.
: Unfortunately, many openings are in rural area, they are not very attractive
: for most people.
: If you will be able to squeeze into derm, GI fellowship programs, you won't
| L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 5 牛人啊， 貌似有两个offer在手？
pick the one u like to do, job market is too far away to predict. | C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 6 恭喜啦. 那就有空来灌灌水.
。看了一下网上找工作的网站，感觉挺好的。 再此感谢您！
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 前辈的回答真是及时雨，真professional。非常感谢！我想我99.99%是选病理了
: 。我要去的program 的人都申到了top fellowships，我努力一下估计也能找个地方。看了一下网上找工作的网站，感觉挺好的。 再此感谢您！
:
: attractive
: t
| r*****t
发帖数: 53 | 7 不敢当，不敢当，我这两把刷子。。
谢谢大师指点，还是去自己喜欢的专业为好，基本就这么定了。
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 牛人啊， 貌似有两个offer在手？
: pick the one u like to do, job market is too far away to predict.
| r*****t
发帖数: 53 | 8 真高兴能加入大部队了。灌水是肯定的啦，还得请您多多关照啊。
【在 C*****D 的大作中提到】
: 恭喜啦. 那就有空来灌灌水.
:
: 。看了一下网上找工作的网站，感觉挺好的。 再此感谢您！
| C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 9 表现出色, 推荐个废楼或焦剥还是可以的. LOL.
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 真高兴能加入大部队了。灌水是肯定的啦，还得请您多多关照啊。
| r*****t
发帖数: 53 | 10 废楼或焦剥....,天哪，这些日子一直寻思的，一言为定啊。
【在 C*****D 的大作中提到】
: 表现出色, 推荐个废楼或焦剥还是可以的. LOL.
| | | A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 11 Neurology market现在应该是很好的，因为很多neuro的人都偏向academic， 而且很多
外国人， 有身份问题， 还有人training完就回国了。
跟病理比较， neuro相对容易可以自己单干， 如果做出了诀窍， 收入可以很好，
lifestyle也不见得差到哪。 不过neuro需要PCP referral， 所以对interpersonal
skill要求要高一些。
觉得Lexian说的对， 考虑工作可能太早了一点。 关键是如果有选择， 找自己最喜欢
的。
知是否会影响将来找工作，因为知道病理工作职位比较
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 苦恼中。。。patho 还是 neuro？个人比较偏向patho。但因为本人先天资质平平,不知是否会影响将来找工作，因为知道病理工作职位比较
: competitive。急请前辈指教！多谢！
| k********n
发帖数: 756 | 12 3.89 neurologist per 100,000 people. | r*****t
发帖数: 53 | 13 版主所言即是，我也很喜欢neuro，有时真是很难抉择。非常感谢这些信息，尤其在这
样的关头。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: Neurology market现在应该是很好的，因为很多neuro的人都偏向academic， 而且很多
: 外国人， 有身份问题， 还有人training完就回国了。
: 跟病理比较， neuro相对容易可以自己单干， 如果做出了诀窍， 收入可以很好，
: lifestyle也不见得差到哪。 不过neuro需要PCP referral， 所以对interpersonal
: skill要求要高一些。
: 觉得Lexian说的对， 考虑工作可能太早了一点。 关键是如果有选择， 找自己最喜欢
: 的。
:
: 知是否会影响将来找工作，因为知道病理工作职位比较
| r*****t
发帖数: 53 | 14 Neuro真是很不错的科，前景很好啊！很感谢你。
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 3.89 neurologist per 100,000 people.
| l****6
发帖数: 6 | 15 Thanks for sharing.
Just wondering where the order of the different fields come from, it is
known that dermpath and GIpath have good job market, and recently GU job
market are also pretty good given the small number of fellowship programs.
No offense, I heard that blood bank fellows are having hard time finding a
job, and I never think of hemepath as the worst speciaty in term of job
market.
Again, I am new here, no offense, I do not fully agree with you.
attractive
t
【在 C*****D 的大作中提到】
: I don't know neurology market, so I don't know how to compare. I only can
: tell you about the path market.
: Path is a small specialty, if you have geographic limitation, it will be
: tough.
: The market is still very good, initially I thought this year will be bad,
: but it turn out to be very stronge. There will be more openings than the
: graduated residents.
: Unfortunately, many openings are in rural area, they are not very attractive
: for most people.
: If you will be able to squeeze into derm, GI fellowship programs, you won't
| C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 16 Currently, there are less than 50 BB fellowships around the country, many
positions are not filled and many go to internal medicine. So according to
some data, there are only around 20 pathology BB certified people every year
. Who can used BB fellows?
1. academic hospital with tenure track: need research
2. academic or tertiary centers clinical track: no serious research needed
3. red cross or blood centers; some have big research programs
4. big private private practice: with AP will be better
5. small private private practice: need AP
Pure BB jobs in the above 1-3,are rare by relatively plenty compared to the
available fellows every year. Only problem is geographic limitation. Some
positions in undesirable states cannot be filled for several years.
As BB is the only specialty in path can kill someone, nowadays most
hospitals want to the pathologists take the BB calls are BB certified(not CP
certified only). If the practice ain't able to find a BB certified
pathologist, usually they have to contract out to local red cross or blood
center.Therefeore if you are BB certified and can do general surgical work,
it will be very attractive.
The current reality of pathology training is that most path residents can't
confidently take BB calls after the training, in this post BMT era.
Heme as a specialty just have grown too fast in the last decade, and see how
many hematopathologists produced. Heme disease is a relatively rare disease
compared to other organ systems. Old time the heme services are supported
by molecular and flow cytometry. Nowadays, molecular is spinning out, and
PhD can read flow. The demanding for heme is not great, only if you can read
AP. Heme 派系比较多, 如果在top programs 找工作不难, 但小programs较难. 其他
除了GU 有类同问题, 别的fellowship 没那么明显.
GU field is going to be hit as I posted a couple weeks before. New
recommendation is no PSA screening, which means less prostate biopsies
available. Let us wait and see how AUA fight back with other
reciommendations.
Cyto is going to be afffected by HPV vaccination and new HPV DNA testings.
The PAP smear might drop, which accounts for at least half of the cyto
volumns.
Molecular now is not good, as many general CP pathologists also do molecular
. As more and more complicated tests are available, a certified molecular
pathologist may be required to direct the lab. The future should be brighter.
【在 l****6 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for sharing.
: Just wondering where the order of the different fields come from, it is
: known that dermpath and GIpath have good job market, and recently GU job
: market are also pretty good given the small number of fellowship programs.
: No offense, I heard that blood bank fellows are having hard time finding a
: job, and I never think of hemepath as the worst speciaty in term of job
: market.
: Again, I am new here, no offense, I do not fully agree with you.
:
: attractive
| l****6
发帖数: 6 | 17 Thanks for sharing, it is very informative.
My view might be biased as it is limited by the people I conatct everyday in
our program. I never thought of sorting fellowships in term of job market,
as I am a believer a "do what you really enjoy", a bit naive, I know.
Ultimately everyone find a job, right?
I am curious about your view of job market of heme+molecular vs heme+
surgpath vs heme alone, assuming able to find a job with heme alone, how
about long term? Thanks. | z**********4
发帖数: 467 | 18 Never be market oriented. Try to be interest oriented. Try to find your
voice, where your interest and talent intersect. The best way is to do
shadowing or externship to find out if you like it or not. For me, I tried
path and IM both. I found that they are not my flavors, coz I have no
backgrounds in both. I also found that I will not release my fullest
potentials as a pathologist or internist. In brief, if you are just aiming
to make some money or look differently from your research peers, try to get
into any residency ( The match is everything.) If it is not something you
enjoy or something from your heart, I can guarantee you that your residency
is rather painstaking. If you are aiming to be a best physician in one field
, try to find your own voice first.
in
【在 l****6 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for sharing, it is very informative.
: My view might be biased as it is limited by the people I conatct everyday in
: our program. I never thought of sorting fellowships in term of job market,
: as I am a believer a "do what you really enjoy", a bit naive, I know.
: Ultimately everyone find a job, right?
: I am curious about your view of job market of heme+molecular vs heme+
: surgpath vs heme alone, assuming able to find a job with heme alone, how
: about long term? Thanks.
| C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 19 Heme+molecular will be more marketable in academic field. Most Heme belong
to CP, same as molecular. Most molecular tests start from heme field. If you
can do heme, flow and molecular, you can go to academic, and large private
labs, and maybe still can have your hands on some research
Heme + surg is more attractive in private practice and small centers,
basically you just target for money. Very few big academic centers will let
people cross Heme and SP signout.
heme alone is still fine, you most likely will be just a work horse in the
department. Without molecular, it will be very hard for you to do research
project
in
【在 l****6 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for sharing, it is very informative.
: My view might be biased as it is limited by the people I conatct everyday in
: our program. I never thought of sorting fellowships in term of job market,
: as I am a believer a "do what you really enjoy", a bit naive, I know.
: Ultimately everyone find a job, right?
: I am curious about your view of job market of heme+molecular vs heme+
: surgpath vs heme alone, assuming able to find a job with heme alone, how
: about long term? Thanks.
| C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 20 Haowei is still young and an idealist.
Getting into a specialty with no market is terrible. I knew someone keep
doing multiple fellowships
get
residency
field
【在 z**********4 的大作中提到】
: Never be market oriented. Try to be interest oriented. Try to find your
: voice, where your interest and talent intersect. The best way is to do
: shadowing or externship to find out if you like it or not. For me, I tried
: path and IM both. I found that they are not my flavors, coz I have no
: backgrounds in both. I also found that I will not release my fullest
: potentials as a pathologist or internist. In brief, if you are just aiming
: to make some money or look differently from your research peers, try to get
: into any residency ( The match is everything.) If it is not something you
: enjoy or something from your heart, I can guarantee you that your residency
: is rather painstaking. If you are aiming to be a best physician in one field
| | | z**********4
发帖数: 467 | 21 Haha... the market is swinging though. It is hard to predict the job market
6 yrs later at this point. But there are certain over-saturated fields like
nuclear medicine. But no one knows that the market will return after 5-6
years. I am not denying market-driven choice. It is also very important.
Current market should not be your standard in choosing residency. On the
other hand, if you were applying fellowship (1-2 years), market is very
important. No one wants to lose job after training though.
【在 C*****D 的大作中提到】
: Haowei is still young and an idealist.
: Getting into a specialty with no market is terrible. I knew someone keep
: doing multiple fellowships
:
: get
: residency
: field
| C*********0
发帖数: 69 | 22 Nice topic, I also heard heme path job market is pretty good now, but agree
with ChiUSMD , only if you do both heme path and AP.
However, anyone with any other subspecialties such as GI, GU, Cyto, etc has
to do both also, in terms of job hunting. So, in conclusion, heme path has a
good job market compared to others.. | r*****t
发帖数: 53 | 23 6 years? OMG, 4 years already drove me crazy.
BTW, job market has a tendency and for this you can somehow smell it a
couple of years earlier. Again, following your heart is always something
worthy. Best luck bro!
market
like
【在 z**********4 的大作中提到】
: Haha... the market is swinging though. It is hard to predict the job market
: 6 yrs later at this point. But there are certain over-saturated fields like
: nuclear medicine. But no one knows that the market will return after 5-6
: years. I am not denying market-driven choice. It is also very important.
: Current market should not be your standard in choosing residency. On the
: other hand, if you were applying fellowship (1-2 years), market is very
: important. No one wants to lose job after training though.
| I*******h
发帖数: 99 | 24 以后想做molecular的话，必须做一个molecular fellowship吗？PHD是做molecular
and cancer biology的，各种分子技术都很熟悉，另外将来做Heme fellowship的时候
也会接触很多分子方面的，感觉单独那出１年时间做个molecular fellowship有点浪费
时间。
year
the
【在 C*****D 的大作中提到】
: Currently, there are less than 50 BB fellowships around the country, many
: positions are not filled and many go to internal medicine. So according to
: some data, there are only around 20 pathology BB certified people every year
: . Who can used BB fellows?
: 1. academic hospital with tenure track: need research
: 2. academic or tertiary centers clinical track: no serious research needed
: 3. red cross or blood centers; some have big research programs
: 4. big private private practice: with AP will be better
: 5. small private private practice: need AP
: Pure BB jobs in the above 1-3,are rare by relatively plenty compared to the
| C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 25 过去molecular fellowship 少, ＣＰ ｂｏａｒｄ 就可做；现在太多了。若去大医
院，没MP board 就不能做 director， 不能带 fellow。
好像和billing也有关. 现在和内科的molecular genetics 有交错，没board 只能给
人打打下手。
在 Ilovepath (宽以待人) 的大作中提到: 】 | D**i
发帖数: 325 | 26 óD2?
agree
has
a
【在 C*********0 的大作中提到】
: Nice topic, I also heard heme path job market is pretty good now, but agree
: with ChiUSMD , only if you do both heme path and AP.
: However, anyone with any other subspecialties such as GI, GU, Cyto, etc has
: to do both also, in terms of job hunting. So, in conclusion, heme path has a
: good job market compared to others..
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