z******1
发帖数: 666 | 1 Study Indicates No Wage Gap Between Female PAs and MDs in Primary Care
2012-07-19
James Potter, senior vice president, advocacy and operations
A new study by two Yale economists indicates that there is little difference
in hourly career earnings between female PAs and that of female MDs in
primary care. The research entitled, “Are Women Over-investing in Education
? Evidence from the Medical Profession” by M. Keith Chen and Judith A.
Chevalier was featured in a Forbes.com article by Gergana Koleva and
published this month in the Journal of Human Capital. The analysis factored
in the economic and time costs of completing medical school and residency
training versus a typical two-year physician assistant program, the existing
gender gap in post-degree earnings, and the tendency for women physicians
to reduce work hours when they have children.
The Yale study argues that unless women physicians plan to work consistently
more than 40 hours a week, there was little difference between the hourly
career earnings of female physicians and those of female PAs in primary care
medicine. In fact, the analysis suggests that the women PAs earn slightly
more over the course of their careers.
The study used an economic measure known as net present value (NPV) to
determine whether a long-term venture such as a medical career is worth the
investment. The career NPV of women becoming a primary care physician was
found to be about $1.67 million, whereas the career NPV for women becoming a
PA in primary care was about $1.68 million.
The economists found that the career NPV of a male physician was
significantly above that of a male PA in primary care medicine. Their
analysis reported that the career NPV of a male primary care physician was
about $2.3 million, while the career NPV for a male PA in primary care
averaged $1.9 million. |
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 2 the career NPV of a male primary care physician was about $2.3 million,
while the career NPV for a male PA in primary care averaged $1.9 million.
are you sure about that? I already have about $2 million assets in my hands.
difference
Education
factored
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: Study Indicates No Wage Gap Between Female PAs and MDs in Primary Care
: 2012-07-19
: James Potter, senior vice president, advocacy and operations
: A new study by two Yale economists indicates that there is little difference
: in hourly career earnings between female PAs and that of female MDs in
: primary care. The research entitled, “Are Women Over-investing in Education
: ? Evidence from the Medical Profession” by M. Keith Chen and Judith A.
: Chevalier was featured in a Forbes.com article by Gergana Koleva and
: published this month in the Journal of Human Capital. The analysis factored
: in the economic and time costs of completing medical school and residency
|
z******1
发帖数: 666 | 3 I am sure the result is true. This is an offcial result cited by different
sources.
It is good for you to have more than 2 million assets. Would you like to
consider donating some of your money to poor countryside primary school in
China? Probably you can be named after the school. You will be famous. Your
name will never be dying.
hands.
【在 j**********e 的大作中提到】
: the career NPV of a male primary care physician was about $2.3 million,
: while the career NPV for a male PA in primary care averaged $1.9 million.
: are you sure about that? I already have about $2 million assets in my hands.
:
: difference
: Education
: factored
|
a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 4 well, the key point is here.you have to compare the hourly income to be fair
for the investment.
for example:
Female NP work for 40 hours per week, hourly pay is 50$, weekly income is
2000$
Female PCP work for 20 hours per week, hourly pay is 100$, weekly income is
2000$
the overall income is similar, who has better life style? female PCP,
because they have more time taking care of their families.
difference
Education
factored
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: Study Indicates No Wage Gap Between Female PAs and MDs in Primary Care
: 2012-07-19
: James Potter, senior vice president, advocacy and operations
: A new study by two Yale economists indicates that there is little difference
: in hourly career earnings between female PAs and that of female MDs in
: primary care. The research entitled, “Are Women Over-investing in Education
: ? Evidence from the Medical Profession” by M. Keith Chen and Judith A.
: Chevalier was featured in a Forbes.com article by Gergana Koleva and
: published this month in the Journal of Human Capital. The analysis factored
: in the economic and time costs of completing medical school and residency
|
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 5 I never heard any cases that female PCP take care of their families. Usually
their husbands take care of their families.
In fact, professors can take care of their families very very well.
fair
is
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: well, the key point is here.you have to compare the hourly income to be fair
: for the investment.
: for example:
: Female NP work for 40 hours per week, hourly pay is 50$, weekly income is
: 2000$
: Female PCP work for 20 hours per week, hourly pay is 100$, weekly income is
: 2000$
: the overall income is similar, who has better life style? female PCP,
: because they have more time taking care of their families.
:
|
z******1
发帖数: 666 | 6 Hi,Acne:
Please pay attention the the following sentence.
The Yale study argues that unless women physicians plan to work consistently
more than 40 hours a week, there was little difference between the hourly
career earnings of female physicians and those of female PAs in primary care
medicine. In fact, the analysis suggests that the women PAs earn slightly
more over the course of their careers
That means only if the female PCP works 40 hours a day,she can earn as same
as a PA or NP.
fair
is
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: well, the key point is here.you have to compare the hourly income to be fair
: for the investment.
: for example:
: Female NP work for 40 hours per week, hourly pay is 50$, weekly income is
: 2000$
: Female PCP work for 20 hours per week, hourly pay is 100$, weekly income is
: 2000$
: the overall income is similar, who has better life style? female PCP,
: because they have more time taking care of their families.
:
|
a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 7 查查salary.com，再看看小广告不就结了。比什么耶鲁教授闭门造车的文章强多了。就
算两个职位挣得一样多，换你的女儿，你愿意省那二十万的学费去当NPg吗？我不愿意
consistently
care
same
【在 z******1 的大作中提到】
: Hi,Acne:
: Please pay attention the the following sentence.
: The Yale study argues that unless women physicians plan to work consistently
: more than 40 hours a week, there was little difference between the hourly
: career earnings of female physicians and those of female PAs in primary care
: medicine. In fact, the analysis suggests that the women PAs earn slightly
: more over the course of their careers
: That means only if the female PCP works 40 hours a day,she can earn as same
: as a PA or NP.
:
|
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 8 我愿意当NPg
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 查查salary.com，再看看小广告不就结了。比什么耶鲁教授闭门造车的文章强多了。就
: 算两个职位挣得一样多，换你的女儿，你愿意省那二十万的学费去当NPg吗？我不愿意
:
: consistently
: care
: same
|
s*********8
发帖数: 1630 | 9 那里来的调查数据呀？我也做内科，一小时120. 一年25w多一点。哪个做PA的来说说？ |
l*****w
发帖数: 344 | 10 没有别的意思，只是算算
一年52周，好点的地方30天假，（20 天vacation， 5-10 天CME， 10 天national
hoilday，10天病假/personal day。。）
一年算52周
120*40*52 = 250K
一年算46周
120*40*46 = 220K
一年算46周
120*40*46 = 210K
你是不是做consultant, 没有假期？ |
|
|
s*********8
发帖数: 1630 | 11 No, I work as hospitalist, 7 days on, 12 hs shift, 7 days off, work 26 ws,
and off 26 ws, like most of hospitalist schedule.
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: 没有别的意思，只是算算
: 一年52周，好点的地方30天假，（20 天vacation， 5-10 天CME， 10 天national
: hoilday，10天病假/personal day。。）
: 一年算52周
: 120*40*52 = 250K
: 一年算46周
: 120*40*46 = 220K
: 一年算46周
: 120*40*46 = 210K
: 你是不是做consultant, 没有假期？
|
s*********8
发帖数: 1630 | 12 By the way, the hospital did offer me 20k for 20 ws working schedule, plus
paied 4 ws vacation and 2ws cme. After I work there for a few weeks, with
low census (average 10 pts, maxium 16 pts), I told them I want to work more
shift to make a little extra money, so they agree to pay me 120 per hour for
rest of the weeks I want to work. I think it is not a big deal, with 26 ws
off, I can do most of things I want, such as vacation, cme, or conference. |
t*******f
发帖数: 795 | 13 这钱挣得真累啊。12小时shift for seven days， 这怎么照顾孩子，父母和老婆呢？？
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: No, I work as hospitalist, 7 days on, 12 hs shift, 7 days off, work 26 ws,
: and off 26 ws, like most of hospitalist schedule.
|
a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 14 雇两个统计教授就够了
？？
【在 t*******f 的大作中提到】
: 这钱挣得真累啊。12小时shift for seven days， 这怎么照顾孩子，父母和老婆呢？？
|
t*******f
发帖数: 795 | 15 不瞒您说，我会24小时/天，365天/年照顾我的未来的老婆和孩子的。
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 雇两个统计教授就够了
:
: ？？
|
s*********8
发帖数: 1630 | 16 您说的对，没办法，只有这个劳碌命，也不够聪明，学不了其他，当不成教授。只有靠
干活挣钱。不过我自己还是挺知足，工作比较忙时，一想起下一礼拜休7天，就觉得生
活充满了阳光。您觉得什么工作不累呢？给我提个醒？
只更正您一点，I am a female physician, as the title. 孩子家人都还比较
supportive, 我上班时，大家该干嘛干嘛，好象没影响到谁。倒是我休息7天时，孩子
老烦我啰嗦，还质问我是不是在医院里也这样话痨。嗨，自我反省了一下，还真象是职
业病，您说咱做内科的，天天可不就练了这张嘴嗎？就好比外科大夫手里的刀，胄肠科
大夫的内窥镜，都是吃饭的家什。
得，不跟您聊了。说着说着又说多了。
？？
【在 t*******f 的大作中提到】
: 这钱挣得真累啊。12小时shift for seven days， 这怎么照顾孩子，父母和老婆呢？？
|
s*********8
发帖数: 1630 | |
t*******f
发帖数: 795 | 18 您的工作确实是很好的。工资比我高。
但是要是比私人的富余时间，当然是我要多很多。教授可以在家工作的。。
教授家庭出来的孩子一般都是非常优秀的。因为我们对教育研究的非常熟练清晰，
我们干的就是这个==如何培养名校学生，呵呵
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: 您说的对，没办法，只有这个劳碌命，也不够聪明，学不了其他，当不成教授。只有靠
: 干活挣钱。不过我自己还是挺知足，工作比较忙时，一想起下一礼拜休7天，就觉得生
: 活充满了阳光。您觉得什么工作不累呢？给我提个醒？
: 只更正您一点，I am a female physician, as the title. 孩子家人都还比较
: supportive, 我上班时，大家该干嘛干嘛，好象没影响到谁。倒是我休息7天时，孩子
: 老烦我啰嗦，还质问我是不是在医院里也这样话痨。嗨，自我反省了一下，还真象是职
: 业病，您说咱做内科的，天天可不就练了这张嘴嗎？就好比外科大夫手里的刀，胄肠科
: 大夫的内窥镜，都是吃饭的家什。
: 得，不跟您聊了。说着说着又说多了。
:
|
t*******f
发帖数: 795 | 19 这么瞧不起我？我好伤心啊。这个夏天我都闲了三个月了，每天游泳BBQ, 呵呵
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: 补充一点，谁跟我提去改行去学统计我就跟谁急。
|
s*********8
发帖数: 1630 | 20 我还真服了您。您到底有多少个马甲？干嘛老换呢？您老祘是有名的ID了，一开口，这
方圆百里没有不知道您的。再说了，就象赵本山的小品里说的，＂小样的，別以为你换
个马甲就认不出你。＂您说是不是这幺回事儿？
能看得出您是挺闲的，说实话，我都琢磨着我自个是不是也太闲了点，跟您打口水仗这
么幼稚无聊的事都干出来了。三十多年来还没这么觉着自个这么无聊。不行，得戒网了
，要不再找份locums 去做做。我建议叫曽也去发挥余热，三个月浪费了多可借，您又
不缺钱，不如去学校volunteer ? 也培养几个名校学生什幺的？ |
|
|
t*******f
发帖数: 795 | 21 我得先找个老婆，生几个孩子，然后把他们培养成名校学生。这就是我的目标。找个
好老婆是我的终身目标啊！
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: 我还真服了您。您到底有多少个马甲？干嘛老换呢？您老祘是有名的ID了，一开口，这
: 方圆百里没有不知道您的。再说了，就象赵本山的小品里说的，＂小样的，別以为你换
: 个马甲就认不出你。＂您说是不是这幺回事儿？
: 能看得出您是挺闲的，说实话，我都琢磨着我自个是不是也太闲了点，跟您打口水仗这
: 么幼稚无聊的事都干出来了。三十多年来还没这么觉着自个这么无聊。不行，得戒网了
: ，要不再找份locums 去做做。我建议叫曽也去发挥余热，三个月浪费了多可借，您又
: 不缺钱，不如去学校volunteer ? 也培养几个名校学生什幺的？
|
s*******y
发帖数: 1739 | 22 我是NP，相当于PA，我也是女的，我也做HOSPITALIST，7DAY ON， 7 DAY OFF, 收入只
有楼上那个女医生的一半多点，不过我是新毕业生，我在NP里都属于收入高的了 |
z******1
发帖数: 666 | 23 We are talking about primary care. I do not think hospitalists are working
in the field of primary care. Specialists should earn much more than PA or
NP.
【在 s*******y 的大作中提到】
: 我是NP，相当于PA，我也是女的，我也做HOSPITALIST，7DAY ON， 7 DAY OFF, 收入只
: 有楼上那个女医生的一半多点，不过我是新毕业生，我在NP里都属于收入高的了
|
s*******y
发帖数: 1739 | 24 难道HOSPITALIST 在医院干的不是PRIMARY CARE 吗？如果你所谓的PRIMARY CARE 指的
是家庭医生那样的话，我好几个同学工资都是 75000-85000（， 和医生没法比的 |
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 25 比如教授什么“死全家”之类的糟粕。
【在 t*******f 的大作中提到】
: 我得先找个老婆，生几个孩子，然后把他们培养成名校学生。这就是我的目标。找个
: 好老婆是我的终身目标啊！
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 26 Good for you. 10 patients per day is really nothing. Our hospitalists see
more patients for sure. Most of them work extra shifts as well.
more
for
ws
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: By the way, the hospital did offer me 20k for 20 ws working schedule, plus
: paied 4 ws vacation and 2ws cme. After I work there for a few weeks, with
: low census (average 10 pts, maxium 16 pts), I told them I want to work more
: shift to make a little extra money, so they agree to pay me 120 per hour for
: rest of the weeks I want to work. I think it is not a big deal, with 26 ws
: off, I can do most of things I want, such as vacation, cme, or conference.
|
s*********8
发帖数: 1630 | 27 Thanks for your advice when i was looking for the job. Finally i chose
hospitalist, cause i dont like clinic. I am happy with my job do far. It is
straight day shift, no night. It is a small hospital, but with majority
subspeciaties avaliable. Not very far way from metro, 50 miles driving, and
with 30 mintues from international airport. Working 26 ws is really not a
big deal, with follwing 26 ws off. I think most of people can handle it.
Not sure if I will change my mine in future, maybe fellowship, maybe not. So
far i am enjoying what I am doing. May all of us find the best job fit the
needs.
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: Good for you. 10 patients per day is really nothing. Our hospitalists see
: more patients for sure. Most of them work extra shifts as well.
:
: more
: for
: ws
|
s*********8
发帖数: 1630 | 28 我同意妹妹说的。我知道我们这个group 看门诊（这个应该祘100% primary ). 起薪是
20万，四周假期，二周cme.但是他们要轮流on call.
美国很多female MD选择part time 工作，因为要照顾家庭小孩什么的。我就知道我原
来做住院医的一个gi 主治，她是一个ABC, PARTlME，一天做内窥镜，两个下午门诊.
后来quit 了。原来我们医院push 她变full time, (据说是malpractice insurance 的
原因，是不是part time or full time 都要付同样的保险呢？我不知道）。不过听说
她老公是CT surgeon, 家里应该不差她挣的part time 的钱。不过想想，大学八年，住
院医六年，最后在家带孩子，好象好浪费啊。
【在 s*******y 的大作中提到】
: 难道HOSPITALIST 在医院干的不是PRIMARY CARE 吗？如果你所谓的PRIMARY CARE 指的
: 是家庭医生那样的话，我好几个同学工资都是 75000-85000（， 和医生没法比的
|
t*******f
发帖数: 795 | 29 很多female MD是真的好浪费。
其实医院也是找个借口把她female MD辞退了而已，她也正好找个台阶下去，就作家庭
主妇去了。在资本主义社会，医生不拼命干活，懒散的工作，是会被老板看出真相的，
老板随时找个借口解雇懒医生(虽然她自己不认为她偷懒)。偷懒是资本家衡量的。在美
国唯一不怕资本家的人，就是我(们)教授。天牛在手，任何老板都碰不了我(们)。
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: 我同意妹妹说的。我知道我们这个group 看门诊（这个应该祘100% primary ). 起薪是
: 20万，四周假期，二周cme.但是他们要轮流on call.
: 美国很多female MD选择part time 工作，因为要照顾家庭小孩什么的。我就知道我原
: 来做住院医的一个gi 主治，她是一个ABC, PARTlME，一天做内窥镜，两个下午门诊.
: 后来quit 了。原来我们医院push 她变full time, (据说是malpractice insurance 的
: 原因，是不是part time or full time 都要付同样的保险呢？我不知道）。不过听说
: 她老公是CT surgeon, 家里应该不差她挣的part time 的钱。不过想想，大学八年，住
: 院医六年，最后在家带孩子，好象好浪费啊。
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 30 wow， straight dayshift， nice！
is
and
a
So
the
【在 s*********8 的大作中提到】
: 我同意妹妹说的。我知道我们这个group 看门诊（这个应该祘100% primary ). 起薪是
: 20万，四周假期，二周cme.但是他们要轮流on call.
: 美国很多female MD选择part time 工作，因为要照顾家庭小孩什么的。我就知道我原
: 来做住院医的一个gi 主治，她是一个ABC, PARTlME，一天做内窥镜，两个下午门诊.
: 后来quit 了。原来我们医院push 她变full time, (据说是malpractice insurance 的
: 原因，是不是part time or full time 都要付同样的保险呢？我不知道）。不过听说
: 她老公是CT surgeon, 家里应该不差她挣的part time 的钱。不过想想，大学八年，住
: 院医六年，最后在家带孩子，好象好浪费啊。
|
