S*****s
发帖数: 242 | 1 I read several misleading statements in this forum about the roles of boss/
lab PI which simply state the PI as “taking all the credit without
responsibility” and “slave driving” etc. I agree some of PI may be pretty
bad and you are a wrong person in a wrong place. But you have to remember
that you are a trainee, you may know nothing about this area of research or
you may think that you are already a superstar. Nevertheless, you have not
shown it yet, right?
I don’t think that I will need to tell what a PI’s responsibility is and
you should be able to find this out yourselves. If you cannot find this in
the end of your second or third years of postdoc. or in the end of your
graduate student training in this country, and you still think that the PI
is “taking all the credit without responsibility”, you are done! I can
almost predict that your chance to become an independent investigator is
slim.
In my training time, I never looked things this way. I always appreciate
what I learned from the bosses and they trained me to become an independent
investigator. Obviously I cannot agree with everything they did to me and I
even got into fight with them sometimes. Well, nothing is perfect, and they
are the human too, right? If you think that a PI can “take all the credit
without responsibility”, you are dead wrong and you have not learn anything
. About “cheap labor” statement, why you are so concern about a couple of
thousand dollars difference? If you are a capable person, you should move up
quickly and get a lot more than that.
Now please ask yourself, are you really interested in doing this job, which
is not going to be highly paid anyway, even you finally become a PI? If the
answer is “NO”, do not complain but spend a lot of time finding different
job!
Sorry for big rush and typos. |
C*******e
发帖数: 4348 | 2 为啥标题是中文里面通篇是英文？
看到就直接跳过
没有几个会读罢 |
y**u
发帖数: 7459 | 3 you sound like a PI.
pretty
or
【在 S*****s 的大作中提到】
: I read several misleading statements in this forum about the roles of boss/
: lab PI which simply state the PI as “taking all the credit without
: responsibility” and “slave driving” etc. I agree some of PI may be pretty
: bad and you are a wrong person in a wrong place. But you have to remember
: that you are a trainee, you may know nothing about this area of research or
: you may think that you are already a superstar. Nevertheless, you have not
: shown it yet, right?
: I don’t think that I will need to tell what a PI’s responsibility is and
: you should be able to find this out yourselves. If you cannot find this in
: the end of your second or third years of postdoc. or in the end of your
|
o*******a
发帖数: 242 | 4 生物faculty躺在学生,博士后的尸体上唱歌. 有几个是有良心的 !!
pretty
or
【在 S*****s 的大作中提到】
: I read several misleading statements in this forum about the roles of boss/
: lab PI which simply state the PI as “taking all the credit without
: responsibility” and “slave driving” etc. I agree some of PI may be pretty
: bad and you are a wrong person in a wrong place. But you have to remember
: that you are a trainee, you may know nothing about this area of research or
: you may think that you are already a superstar. Nevertheless, you have not
: shown it yet, right?
: I don’t think that I will need to tell what a PI’s responsibility is and
: you should be able to find this out yourselves. If you cannot find this in
: the end of your second or third years of postdoc. or in the end of your
|
a****d
发帖数: 1919 | 5 well said1
pretty
or
【在 S*****s 的大作中提到】
: I read several misleading statements in this forum about the roles of boss/
: lab PI which simply state the PI as “taking all the credit without
: responsibility” and “slave driving” etc. I agree some of PI may be pretty
: bad and you are a wrong person in a wrong place. But you have to remember
: that you are a trainee, you may know nothing about this area of research or
: you may think that you are already a superstar. Nevertheless, you have not
: shown it yet, right?
: I don’t think that I will need to tell what a PI’s responsibility is and
: you should be able to find this out yourselves. If you cannot find this in
: the end of your second or third years of postdoc. or in the end of your
|
n********k
发帖数: 2818 | 6 well, the kind of tone is not popular in this board...you for sure gonna be
accused as a neverthink-like jackass...but you deserve better as a PI,
neverthink not even a PI...anyhow, we are jackass...BTW, I only agree with
some of your writings or conditionally...but it is a nice post young folks
could learn something from but I doubt how many will...I guess people just
have to learn from their own falls...
pretty
or
【在 S*****s 的大作中提到】
: I read several misleading statements in this forum about the roles of boss/
: lab PI which simply state the PI as “taking all the credit without
: responsibility” and “slave driving” etc. I agree some of PI may be pretty
: bad and you are a wrong person in a wrong place. But you have to remember
: that you are a trainee, you may know nothing about this area of research or
: you may think that you are already a superstar. Nevertheless, you have not
: shown it yet, right?
: I don’t think that I will need to tell what a PI’s responsibility is and
: you should be able to find this out yourselves. If you cannot find this in
: the end of your second or third years of postdoc. or in the end of your
|
S*****s
发帖数: 242 | 7 尸体？没有见到啊。学生变postdoc，postdoc变faculty。Faculty可能变尸体，但那是
他们自己的事喽
【在 o*******a 的大作中提到】
: 生物faculty躺在学生,博士后的尸体上唱歌. 有几个是有良心的 !!
:
: pretty
: or
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m*p
发帖数: 226 | 8 After several years postdoc, I agree with what you said.
pretty
or
【在 S*****s 的大作中提到】
: I read several misleading statements in this forum about the roles of boss/
: lab PI which simply state the PI as “taking all the credit without
: responsibility” and “slave driving” etc. I agree some of PI may be pretty
: bad and you are a wrong person in a wrong place. But you have to remember
: that you are a trainee, you may know nothing about this area of research or
: you may think that you are already a superstar. Nevertheless, you have not
: shown it yet, right?
: I don’t think that I will need to tell what a PI’s responsibility is and
: you should be able to find this out yourselves. If you cannot find this in
: the end of your second or third years of postdoc. or in the end of your
|
o*******a
发帖数: 242 | 9 hei, I think you should communicate what you said with linda buck. At least
let her know what a PI supposed to be.
Do you know how many graduates still stay in science 5 years after PhD in
your school ?
【在 S*****s 的大作中提到】
: 尸体？没有见到啊。学生变postdoc，postdoc变faculty。Faculty可能变尸体，但那是
: 他们自己的事喽
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S*****s
发帖数: 242 | 10 Linda Buck 和其他faculty没有两样。试想，一个PI的实验室如果有了开拓性的工作，
肯定希望继续扩展下去，成为这个方向的leader。一定是她的group或其他group发现了
Zou的问题。实验无法继续进行下去。实验不可重复可能是借口，也可能是真的。不过
，比较nice的做法是和Zou共同签署retraction。
我们学校life sciences的PhD，五年后的情况是：
有～40%还在做postdoc，这些大多都是坚决要做faculty的死硬分子。
～10%成为research faculty
大约30%已经进biotech，小日子过得很滋润。
大约5%成为tenure track faculty，正在抱怨他/她们的第一个grant受到不公正的
review。
其他的成分很复杂，有housewife，sale rep， etc
least
【在 o*******a 的大作中提到】
: hei, I think you should communicate what you said with linda buck. At least
: let her know what a PI supposed to be.
: Do you know how many graduates still stay in science 5 years after PhD in
: your school ?
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n********k
发帖数: 2818 | 11 likely a top school, not bad at all these days
【在 S*****s 的大作中提到】
: Linda Buck 和其他faculty没有两样。试想，一个PI的实验室如果有了开拓性的工作，
: 肯定希望继续扩展下去，成为这个方向的leader。一定是她的group或其他group发现了
: Zou的问题。实验无法继续进行下去。实验不可重复可能是借口，也可能是真的。不过
: ，比较nice的做法是和Zou共同签署retraction。
: 我们学校life sciences的PhD，五年后的情况是：
: 有～40%还在做postdoc，这些大多都是坚决要做faculty的死硬分子。
: ～10%成为research faculty
: 大约30%已经进biotech，小日子过得很滋润。
: 大约5%成为tenure track faculty，正在抱怨他/她们的第一个grant受到不公正的
: review。
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S*****s
发帖数: 242 | 12 Popularity has never been a good thing in science.....You are one of the few
who understand what I said and I appreciate.
be
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: well, the kind of tone is not popular in this board...you for sure gonna be
: accused as a neverthink-like jackass...but you deserve better as a PI,
: neverthink not even a PI...anyhow, we are jackass...BTW, I only agree with
: some of your writings or conditionally...but it is a nice post young folks
: could learn something from but I doubt how many will...I guess people just
: have to learn from their own falls...
:
: pretty
: or
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b*****l
发帖数: 9499 | 13 估计他的意思是“有的人活着，但他已经死了”。
【在 S*****s 的大作中提到】
: 尸体？没有见到啊。学生变postdoc，postdoc变faculty。Faculty可能变尸体，但那是
: 他们自己的事喽
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o*******a
发帖数: 242 | 14 I heard that only 40-50% go for postdoc. Others choose different career.
Your data are too optimistic about the attraction of science.
【在 S*****s 的大作中提到】
: Linda Buck 和其他faculty没有两样。试想，一个PI的实验室如果有了开拓性的工作，
: 肯定希望继续扩展下去，成为这个方向的leader。一定是她的group或其他group发现了
: Zou的问题。实验无法继续进行下去。实验不可重复可能是借口，也可能是真的。不过
: ，比较nice的做法是和Zou共同签署retraction。
: 我们学校life sciences的PhD，五年后的情况是：
: 有～40%还在做postdoc，这些大多都是坚决要做faculty的死硬分子。
: ～10%成为research faculty
: 大约30%已经进biotech，小日子过得很滋润。
: 大约5%成为tenure track faculty，正在抱怨他/她们的第一个grant受到不公正的
: review。
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w******y
发帖数: 8040 | 15 基本没说到点子上
老板真正的能力在于弄钱
谁去弄一把钱就知道当老板是不是容易了
pretty
or
【在 S*****s 的大作中提到】
: I read several misleading statements in this forum about the roles of boss/
: lab PI which simply state the PI as “taking all the credit without
: responsibility” and “slave driving” etc. I agree some of PI may be pretty
: bad and you are a wrong person in a wrong place. But you have to remember
: that you are a trainee, you may know nothing about this area of research or
: you may think that you are already a superstar. Nevertheless, you have not
: shown it yet, right?
: I don’t think that I will need to tell what a PI’s responsibility is and
: you should be able to find this out yourselves. If you cannot find this in
: the end of your second or third years of postdoc. or in the end of your
|
S*****s
发帖数: 242 | 16 断章取义了吧，请注意俩个定语：
1. 我的学校
2. PhD五年后
刚得到PhD者，》90%选择做postdoc。五年后。。。。大浪淘沙嘛。
【在 o*******a 的大作中提到】
: I heard that only 40-50% go for postdoc. Others choose different career.
: Your data are too optimistic about the attraction of science.
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S*****s
发帖数: 242 | 17 嗯，孺子可教，但不全面。问一问你的老板，她/他花多少时间在搞grants。下面是我
的体会：
10-30%时间在搞钱：gold level，这些人有大笔进项，大的endowment，HHMI，大公司
contract，etc。PI常常花不少时间在science上，经常会有good idea和新研究方向。
你应该观察他们》70%的时间都在时间在搞钱。
30-60%时间在搞钱：silver level，量入敷出，可能会有些结余。研究方向focus，这
些人常常是某方向的expert。此种PI是大多数。你可用心观察他们~50%的时间干啥去了。
60-90%: 危险水平，随时有断顿之忧。不要浪费时间观察了。
【在 w******y 的大作中提到】
: 基本没说到点子上
: 老板真正的能力在于弄钱
: 谁去弄一把钱就知道当老板是不是容易了
:
: pretty
: or
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S*****s
发帖数: 242 | 18 Sorry， Typos，here is the correction. |
