j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | | l*******a
发帖数: 1 | | l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 3 老田托绞尽脑汁才想出来5个原因
哪儿有5个原因，其实只有一个：穷 | j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 4 点赞最多的是个tesla owner的回复，在底下一点，lol
As a former Tesla owner I really hope that you guys see these comments and
keep it up towards the top so others see. I owned one for almost 2 years,
and I was a ridiculous over-the-top fanboy for 4 years before that. And I’m
here to tell you right now Scotty is right about most of the stuff he says
about Tesla. I sold mine for every reason he said, and then more. First and
foremost let me say that the idea in a perfect world is absolutely better
than gas, and certainly better than hydrogen, which will never take off and
be a success. Forget hydrogen, but also we have some work to do with
electric cars. Being active in many Tesla groups on forums and on Facebook,
the value PLUMMETING is absolutely true. The more expensive P100D’s will
hold their value more than the others.... until something replaces it. Which
is why people spend $120,000+ on a P90D to be sold 3 years later for $60,
000. I had a P85 and I took a massive hit when I took it to traded it in. I
also had a very hard time selling a private party. What he says about the
door handles is absolutely correct because I have had a few of them replaced
on mine and I know many others who have had many replaced also. I know a
guy who has had five door handles fail. It’s no secret. Owners know about
them, and even if it does fail it’s not the biggest deal in the world
because many of them are under warranty and nobody really flips out about it
. But out of warranty it’s $980. Tesla even knows they’re not reliable
because their model X and model 3 does not have these door handles. BET ME
the new design Model S (whenever it is) will not have these pop out door
handles. The charging dilemma couldn’t be more accurate, especially where
Tesla’s are more popular. It was posted almost every 4-5 days someone would
share there is a serious backup on the superchargers. I have experienced
this myself. I was constantly at the Bolingbrook Illinois supercharger and
many times during the day, there would be a weight of 15 to 20 minutes of
two cars because eight stalls were being used. So in words 2 Teslas would be
waiting 15-20 minutes for one of the 8 superchargers to open. In California
, some parts of NY, and some parts of Florida its even worse. Many times I
recall it being so bad that Tesla actually sent out an employee to manage
that supercharger and limit how long they can be sitting there charging
because there was a line of NINE TESLAS simply WAITING to supercharge...
However I do need to mention it should be known that the supercharger
stations there will be more of them overtime. But if I had to deal with that
today absolutely not and I don’t blame anybody else. Maybe one day in 10
years you’ll ever have to fight or wait long because the batteries range
will be even bigger and the charge time will be less it would be the
equivalent of going to a gas station that you know today. But it’s nowhere
near there yet and the supercharger times that Tesla claims are alive. To
charge from 0 to 90% takes me about 15 minutes. No way I however I do need
to mention it should be known that the supercharger stations there will be
more of them overtime. But if I had to deal with that today absolutely not
and I don’t blame anybody else. Maybe one day in 10 years you’ll never
have to fight or wait long because the batteries range will be even bigger
and the charge time will be less and it would be the equivalent of going to
a gas station that you know today. But it’s nowhere near there yet and the
supercharger times that Tesla claims are bs. To charge from 0 to 90% takes
me about 50 minutes. No way! Yes it is better on the bigger battery packs
like the 100, but those are absurdly expensive and we’re out of my budget.
Yes the quality is also not the greatest. The quality of mine was actually
pretty good and I couldn’t complain but I have seen many others that were
terrible, and I know of many stories throughout the different groups where
owners have refused delivery of all three Model S, X, & 3. This would’ve
been a good time for Scotty to mention the parts shortage. I have waited
five or six months for parts before that would normally be a week or two out
from another manufacture. If you don’t believe me, just join the Tesla
groups on Facebook and read up on every post. Read the comments too. You’ll
hear many stories of what looks like a minor fender bender, actually costs
$20,000 and the guy waited six months for parts just to get it fixed. It’s
only gotten worse since. And I’ve heard that story over and over from
different people and this is what scared me the most about my car. During
the time I’ve owned it I thought it would be better, turns out it hasn’t
and I’ve experienced a few things waiting for parts myself. Luckily it wasn
’t an emergency, but I can only imagine if it was. Would’ve been paying
for a car that I couldn’t drive and I couldn’t have that. I get it if you
were a rich person. I get it if you love speed and acceleration. There’s
nothing that will match a Tesla. But to me for right now this car is the
type of car that is OK to own, if you own something else next to it. So if
your Tesla does need repairs, you’ll just take the Porsche to work and its
not a big deal to you. As far as road tripping a Tesla, I got lucky. But if
I lived in California or some of more populated Tesla areas, I would’ve
been screwed. So that’s why I dipped out quick. One of my straws was my
horrible winter experience. What he mentioned about the range is absolutely
true. The range of/30% immediately in cold climates. Yes it would be better
if you had a garage and or preheated the car. But you better have something
higher than a 110 outlet because trust me it’s not good day today unless
you live in a warm climate and drive less than 25 miles a day. Trust me,
that was my primary charging source was a 110 outlet. When it gets cold, the
car always had a tendency to freeze up the door and the charge port. Teslas
have a frameless window, so if the window is stuck, so was the door. There
of times I’ve had to do desperate things to get my door on stock and also
risk pouring washer fluid on my charge port. Just to get everything unstuck.
Also the electronic parking brakes have stuck on me a couple of times.
Another last straw with the car was the new firmware. It is very distracting
and unsafe. Tesla change the whole way out of the car and I couldn’t stand
it. I told Tesla I couldn’t take it another minute and nothing got done.
The absolute straw was on a normal Midwest winter snowing day I was driving.
Not crazy, just normal. With normal fresh snow on the ground too. The snow
managed to pull off both wheel liners upfront, and break the plastic rocker
panels on bottom. Behind those wheel liners, there is essentially what I
call a tunnel where there are coolant and high-voltage lines and some other
electrical gizmos there as well. So it rammed over a foot of snow over all
of that. This was a 2 1/2 week repair, and they were waiting for parts so
they had to improvise. During those two weeks I had a gas car, I remembered
how nice it was to gas up for five minutes and have a 400+ mile range. So
when I got my tesla back it wasn’t special to me anymore and that’s why I
had no problem selling it that day. Believe me I was a total geek over this
car I loved it to death. You couldn’t tell me anything to not love it until
I experienced it all myself and listen closely to others. These cars are
very expensive, they do not hold their value, I wouldn’t bet on their
reliability or I certainly wouldn’t roll the dice, it’s going to be
expensive to repair, and we need a bigger charging infrastructure.
Especially in a more popular Tesla area. This is coming from someone who had
nearly 8000 subscribers and over 80 Tesla videos on their channel. Trust me
I raved enough about it. But everything kept backfiring left and right and
people we’re looking at me because of it. It got to be too much which is
why I abandoned this channel and took all of my videos down. It was like a
bad break up. I can’t recommend these cards to other people knowing how
many issues I’ve had and how many others had the same issues. If you value
your money, you’ll buy something a lot cheaper that’s more reliable. I
wish I would be able to transplant my data from my brain to yours, so that
way you can see it and get it out of your system. Tassel is not quite there
yet and I’m sure one day it will be. But as long as rich rebuilds keeps
uploading the type of videos that he uploads, where he has waited two months
for his Model X with constant disappointment, hard pass.
【在 l*******a 的大作中提到】
: 点赞最多的俩回复，哈哈
| l*******a
发帖数: 1 | 5 想想这个为啥在下面。从所有的review来看，满意的人还是占大多数的。
这个人提到的几个问题，一个是door handle，这个在model3上不存在，另一个是
supercharger wait，这个本来就是design用来满足不时的长途之需，绝大多数人
commute使用都是在家或者单位充电。更别提现在超充越来越多。我个人在加州，使用
supercharger并不多，但每次去几乎都没排过队，仅有的两次排队，也就只等了五分钟。
again，没人说这是个完美的车，就像这市场上所有其它的车，只要你想，你都能找出
无数理由不去买它，但市场既然买账，就说明这个东西的优点已经大大超过了其缺点。
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says
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【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: 点赞最多的是个tesla owner的回复，在底下一点，lol
: As a former Tesla owner I really hope that you guys see these comments and
: keep it up towards the top so others see. I owned one for almost 2 years,
: and I was a ridiculous over-the-top fanboy for 4 years before that. And I’m
: here to tell you right now Scotty is right about most of the stuff he says
: about Tesla. I sold mine for every reason he said, and then more. First and
: foremost let me say that the idea in a perfect world is absolutely better
: than gas, and certainly better than hydrogen, which will never take off and
: be a success. Forget hydrogen, but also we have some work to do with
: electric cars. Being active in many Tesla groups on forums and on Facebook,
| j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 6 视频本身没什么问题，说的都是事实。而且人家说的也是建议目前不要买，等以后技术
和support成熟了再买不迟。增加充电桩不能解决电车电池充电时间长的问题，如果电
池可以自由swap，以后加油变成换电池就能继续上路，那大部分人会接受。现在买特斯
拉的也类似买第一代iPhone的，用户体验比后来的还是差不少。
钟。
【在 l*******a 的大作中提到】
: 想想这个为啥在下面。从所有的review来看，满意的人还是占大多数的。
: 这个人提到的几个问题，一个是door handle，这个在model3上不存在，另一个是
: supercharger wait，这个本来就是design用来满足不时的长途之需，绝大多数人
: commute使用都是在家或者单位充电。更别提现在超充越来越多。我个人在加州，使用
: supercharger并不多，但每次去几乎都没排过队，仅有的两次排队，也就只等了五分钟。
: again，没人说这是个完美的车，就像这市场上所有其它的车，只要你想，你都能找出
: 无数理由不去买它，但市场既然买账，就说明这个东西的优点已经大大超过了其缺点。
:
: ’m
: says
| c******a
发帖数: 4400 | 7 电池swap并非什么解决方案，特斯拉早就试过了。问题是没人想要用自己的新电池换旧
电池。其实超充还好，一天跑五百迈以内只用充一次而已，不到半小时。就算八百迈充
两次我也会选用特斯拉，虽然充电可能多费半小时，但AP用着太爽了，节省不知道多少
精力，长途也节约钱。超过1000迈就不太合适了。那种情况我会坐飞机。。。 | j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 8 说到底还是技术和support不过关。理想状况就是电池不是车主所有，换电池的公司负
责保证电池的质量。
就像加油站有不同的brand，你可以去信得过的
【在 c******a 的大作中提到】
: 电池swap并非什么解决方案，特斯拉早就试过了。问题是没人想要用自己的新电池换旧
: 电池。其实超充还好，一天跑五百迈以内只用充一次而已，不到半小时。就算八百迈充
: 两次我也会选用特斯拉，虽然充电可能多费半小时，但AP用着太爽了，节省不知道多少
: 精力，长途也节约钱。超过1000迈就不太合适了。那种情况我会坐飞机。。。
| y**********e
发帖数: 1 | 9 不是这样。
你想想： 换电站造价、每个换电站如果存 30-50 个电池包的成本多少，需要多大空间
，寒冷炎热气候怎样保持电量，新车用户是否接受老电池包，各公司电池包是否通用（
不像加油或充电），等等。 另外电池包在哪充电。
特斯拉很早在I-5s上搞过一个示范项目（政府的钱），早已停了。
所以蔚来的换电模式，是不对劲的，虽然听起来很美，
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: 说到底还是技术和support不过关。理想状况就是电池不是车主所有，换电池的公司负
: 责保证电池的质量。
: 就像加油站有不同的brand，你可以去信得过的
| k****6
发帖数: 1 | 10 如果换电池的话，我不会买电车的。我觉得现在这种平常在家里充，上下班市区短途（
一天200迈以内）；长途（200-400迈）去超充充一次就很好了。住的酒店可以选有
destination charger的。
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: 说到底还是技术和support不过关。理想状况就是电池不是车主所有，换电池的公司负
: 责保证电池的质量。
: 就像加油站有不同的brand，你可以去信得过的
| k****6
发帖数: 1 | 11 我是不建议开电车跑去road trip，走国家公园，或者滑雪这些的。虽然我也在科罗拉
多滑雪场看见过Model X，我觉得它应该是丹佛过来的吧：-） |
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