r****a
发帖数: 3249 | 1 from your favorite link (page 13):
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/china.pdf
里面也有"solely"
ARTICLE 20
(Students and Trainees)
A student, business apprentice or trainee who is, or was immediately before
visiting a Contracting State, a resident of the other Contracting State and
who is present in the first- mentioned Contracting State solely for the
purpose of his education, training or obtaining special technical experience
shall be exempt from tax in that
Contracting State with respect .... |
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P****1
发帖数: 2670 | 2 回复这贴的过程中，我已经把20条原文读了n遍了
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/china.pdf
ARTICLE 20
(Students and Trainees)
A student, business apprentice or trainee who is, or was immediately before
visiting a Contracting State, a resident of the other Contracting State and
who is present in the first- mentioned Contracting State solely for the
purpose of his education, training or obtaining special technical experience
shall be exempt from tax in that
Contracting State with respect to:
(a) payments received from abr... 阅读全帖 |
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P****1
发帖数: 2670 | 3 回复这贴的过程中，我已经把20条原文读了n遍了
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/china.pdf
ARTICLE 20
(Students and Trainees)
A student, business apprentice or trainee who is, or was immediately before
visiting a Contracting State, a resident of the other Contracting State and
who is present in the first- mentioned Contracting State solely for the
purpose of his education, training or obtaining special technical experience
shall be exempt from tax in that
Contracting State with respect to:
(a) payments received from abr... 阅读全帖 |
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P****1
发帖数: 2670 | 4 Pub 519其实对这种case比较含糊。J2并非teache、trainee或student
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p519/ch01.html#en_US_2013_publi
You will not be an exempt individual as a student in 2013 if you have been
exempt as a teacher, trainee, or student for any part of more than 5
calendar years unless you meet both of the following requirements.
外。 |
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P****1
发帖数: 2670 | 5 Pub 519其实对这种case比较含糊。J2并非teache、trainee或student
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p519/ch01.html#en_US_2013_publi
You will not be an exempt individual as a student in 2013 if you have been
exempt as a teacher, trainee, or student for any part of more than 5
calendar years unless you meet both of the following requirements.
外。 |
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d**********u
发帖数: 3371 | 7 看了一下学校以前给的邮件, 好像是关于夏天从学校收的stipend的. 学校给的信说Non
Resident从educational收的stipend根据中美的tax treaty中的20b是免税的. 然后当
时学校要我填了一个W-8BEN, 这部分收到了单独的1042-S在报税的时候是从taxable
income里面扣出去了.
好像报税的时候在最后一页好像只填了20C忘记填20B了, 是不是这个原因呢.
看了下tax treaty中的20B, 不知道是不是关于stipend的
ARTICLE 20
(Students and Trainees)
A student, business apprentice or trainee who is, or was immediately before
visiting a Contracting State, a
resident of the other Contracting State and who is present in the first-
mentioned Contracting State solely for th... 阅读全帖 |
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d**********u
发帖数: 3371 | 8 后面附了treaty, 夏天在lab工作, 学校的payroll部门给了一封信说有个ulimited
treaty可以用 让我填表, 下面是我询问了之后他们回信的部分. 这种stipend适用于
20b么.
报税的时候收到了2张1042-S, 这部分income从taxable income中扣除了, 现在收到irs
的信说税报得不对, 也不知道是哪儿有问题. 不过报的时候确实忘记加20(B)的code在
里面了. 现在应该怎么办呢.
Hi XXX,
I believe you may be referring to the treaty limitation of $5,000 for
performing personal services (Payroll). There is no dollar limitation on
grants or award payments from an educational institution in the U.S.-China
tax treaty.
ARTICLE 20
(Students and Trainees)
A stu... 阅读全帖 |
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i*****t
发帖数: 24265 | 9 这个不好说
J1第3年算不算变tax resident？
如果yes，那么不符合treaty里面的resident条件
同理，很多欧洲来的中国留学生，不适用中美协定，而是欧洲国家与美国协定
ARTICLE 20
(Students and Trainees)
A student, business apprentice or trainee who is, or was immediately before
visiting a Contracting State, a
resident of the other Contracting State and who is present in the first-
mentioned Contracting State solely for the
purpose of his education, training or obtaining special technical experience
shall be exempt from tax in that
Contracting State with respect to:
(... 阅读全帖 |
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f*******n
发帖数: 12623 | 10 这个是一年前的问题。但是因为没有好答案，我补充一下。
非学生的J1算teacher or trainee。teacher or trainee的规矩是如果前6年里有2年有
过exempt，这年就不能exempt。2015的前6年是2014、2013、2012、2011、2010、2009
。其中有2年（2010和2009）你是exempt，所以2015的J1期间不能exmept。但是2016年
的J1期间就是exempt，因为前6年里只有1年有exempt。2017的J1期间也一样是exempt。
所以你2016和2017是nonresident。 |
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f*******n
发帖数: 12623 | 11 这个是一年前的问题。但是因为没有好答案，我补充一下。
非学生的J1算teacher or trainee。teacher or trainee的规矩是如果前6年里有2年有
过exempt，这年就不能exempt。2015的前6年是2014、2013、2012、2011、2010、2009
。其中有2年（2010和2009）你是exempt，所以2015的J1期间不能exmept。但是2016年
的J1期间就是exempt，因为前6年里只有1年有exempt。2017的J1期间也一样是exempt。
所以你2016和2017是nonresident。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 12 考古发现一个讨论的很长的帖子，关于F1期间转为绿卡后是否还能继续享受treaty，但
是最后也没有结论。http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t1/TAX/31343603_0_1.html
我个人的观点，F1学生转为绿卡后，如果还是full-time student，并且没有从事其他
工作，是可以享受treaty的deduction。理由如下：
1. 在Tax purpose意义上，Alien只分为Non-resident和resident。在IRS官网
residency introduction上有介绍：https://www.irs.gov/Individuals/
International-Taxpayers/Introduction-to-Residency-Under-U.S.-Tax-Law
Although the immigration laws of the United States refer to aliens as
immigrants, nonimmigrants, and undocumented (illegal) alien... 阅读全帖 |
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s**********g
发帖数: 14942 | 13 typically it is only for students/trainees
but F1 resident alien students also qualify
H1B status is not a student
OPT is still a student or trainee |
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M*******s
发帖数: 4074 | 14 条约第19条，
要求临时在美国。一旦拿到绿卡，失去临时在美的基础。
ARTICLE 19
(Teachers, Professors and Researchers)
An individual who is, or immediately before visiting a Contracting State
was, a resident of the other Contracting
State and is TEMPORARILY present in the first-mentioned Contracting State
for the primary purpose of teaching, giving
lectures or conducting research at a university, college, school or other
accredited educational institution or scientific
research institution in the first mentioned Contracting State... 阅读全帖 |
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d****u
发帖数: 1553 | 15 Treaty的article 20 是这么写的，没有看到时间上有限制。
ARTICLE 20 (Students and Trainees)
A student, business apprentice or trainee who is, or was immediately before
visiting a Contracting State, a resident of the other Contracting State and
who is present in the first- mentioned Contracting State solely for the
purpose of his education, training or obtaining special technical experience
shall be exempt from tax in that Contracting State with respect to:
(a) payments received from abroad for the purpose of his mai... 阅读全帖 |
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l***z
发帖数: 129 | 16 主要是涉及6 year "look back rule"
8843说明里的原文是
you can’t exclude days of presence in 2016 as a teacher or trainee if you
were exempt as a teacher, trainee, or student for any part of 2 of the 6
prior calendar years.
2016往回数6年是2010-2015
2010上半年exempt，2015下半年如果exempt，那2016就不能exempt，因为在过去6年中
有两上calendar years exempt
但2015下半年算不算exempt？
如果用2015年算，往回数六年是2009-2014，其中2009和2010都有exempt，所以2015下
半年不能exempt。
如果这么算的话，2016是exempt |
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k****e
发帖数: 6 | 17 背景: 自己来美国才8个月，读研究生，而且今年就5月毕业，太太去年11月底F2来美。
打算请岳父母过来玩玩，也参加毕业典礼。
觉得自己在美国时间短，太太才来不久，申请前有点担心，好在一切很顺利，很快就签
过了。
父母一早7点半就到了领事馆楼下
是春节公假后第一天上班（大年初五） 父母很快就被放入领事馆排队 而且排在很前面。
进去按指纹交表格156、157和收据
接着等签证
遇到一个混血的年轻男签证官。他旁边还带了一个trainee （正在培训那个人）
VO:你们在美国有亲人么
答：女儿女婿 女婿在加州读书
VO：去干什么呢
答：去参加女婿5月份的研究生毕业典礼 顺便旅游
VO：有他们的材料吗
答：有（递上我们的护照复印件，我们和学校的邀请函）
VO：有你们一起的照片吗
答：有（照片递上）
VO：打算去多久
答：2个月
VO：女儿以前在哪里呢？
答：在加拿大读完本科外加工作一年 才去了美国2个月
VO：跟后面的trainee说了一通英语 （父母只听懂一个单词 ‘waterloo’- 那是女儿
之前在加拿大就读的大学） 然后电脑里敲了一些信息
VO: 这是你们的牌子 去12号窗口办手续吧。 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 69 | 18 能不能具体解释一下？因为我看到一些网站说J1是可以支持Trainee和intern的。或者
我可不可以把现在的J1 visiting scholar转成相应的Trainee/ Internship category
？谢谢 |
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g*********1
发帖数: 459 | 19 我们的专业大会上，被选上oral presentation的就自动变成trainee award.现在在
contribution里面把trainee award的事实删掉了，只留下了oral presentation.
所以证据就只剩下email通知被选上作presentation了。
这个email 可以吗？
谢谢 |
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f*****n
发帖数: 970 | 20 【 以下文字转载自 JobHunting 讨论区 】
发信人: focuson (白驹过隙), 信区: JobHunting
标 题: H1B申请低于当地title最低工资标准怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Mar 10 16:19:28 2013, 美东)
各位前辈好，小弟正在办理H1B，好不容易说服公司答应下来，但是过程中出现很多问题
问题如下
1. 公司第一次招international，所以没有办理H1b的经验。公司没有雇lawyer，找了
HR在网上找信息办理。就是网上的checklist信息，employee和employer分别提供一系
列材料申请。
2. 我入行时顶着Engineer Trainee的title，现在半年了，不知道办理H1b用trainee的
title还是换成engineer的title （PS 公司近期财务有问题，改成2周发工资为90天发
工资，没有涨工资的样子，我为了办h1b也不好去说这个涨工资的问题）。
3. 低于所持职位title的最低工资标准H1B当地信息Wage level 1 40%, 这样申请h1b会
不会受阻，公司... 阅读全帖 |
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un
发帖数: 1311 | 21 postdoc准确说应该算trainee
不过trainee也是job倒是。。。
post- |
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l******y
发帖数: 2643 | 22 tax 那儿的人没有回答 ... 贴过这儿来试试，有没有人知道？
背景情况：
我的情况比普通的postdoc稍微复杂一些：08年，09年暑假分别以J1身份在CA实习；10
年没有来美国；11年4月开始以J1身份postdoc。填了一堆表后，学校payroll告知我从
11年4月开始在报税上就是resident alien了。
从11年4月入职，学校payroll给我发的邮件告知我，我要交的税费是：洲税，med tax
，和一个退休基金，还有一个工会的费用。 我在税版和本版一直看到人说普通的J1
postdoc第三年变成resident以后ssn和med tax都要交。所以，我对于为啥我这种情况
med tax和ss tax不一致，一直不明真相？问学校payroll也没有明确答复我。
我的问题是：
1. 我的treaty 是从11年4月开始享受吗？
2. 如果11年4月开始用treaty，11年，12年我分别是resident 还是nr?
3. 如果学校这边给的情况都正确的话，为什么我的情况要交med tax而免SSN？这两个
税不都是一起交或者不交的吗？
跪求有经验的同学指点一下。包子... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t
发帖数: 1733 | 23 Common errors performing classic lifts.
by Sergey Rudnev,IKSFA Master Coach
a) JERK 1. Error: feet are wider than shoulder width Consequences: reduction
of the distance and speed of acceleration of the bells, worsening of the
efficiency of the leg work. Causes: low mobility in the hip joints or lack
of knowledge of physics. Correction: in the former case I recommend rocking
in gymnastic bridge or static rack holds (1-5 minutes). In the latter I
recommend revising the section of physics entitled ... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t
发帖数: 1733 | 24 Common errors performing classic lifts.
by Sergey Rudnev,IKSFA Master Coach
a) JERK 1. Error: feet are wider than shoulder width Consequences: reduction
of the distance and speed of acceleration of the bells, worsening of the
efficiency of the leg work. Causes: low mobility in the hip joints or lack
of knowledge of physics. Correction: in the former case I recommend rocking
in gymnastic bridge or static rack holds (1-5 minutes). In the latter I
recommend revising the section of physics entitled ... 阅读全帖 |
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g*2
发帖数: 658 | 25 Overview of running injuries of the lower extremity
Author
Lisa R Callahan, MD Section Editor
Karl B Fields, MD Deputy Editor
Jonathan Grayzel, MD, FAAEM
All topics are updated as new evidence becomes available and our peer review
process is complete.
Literature review current through: Feb 2012. | This topic last updated: Oct
20, 2011.
INTRODUCTION — Running is one of the world’s most popular forms of
exercise, with millions of regular participants. In the United States alone,
up to 40 mil... 阅读全帖 |
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y*****n
发帖数: 913 | 26 2013年1月，SKE48的矢神久美、桑原みずき、小木曾汐莉等9名成员宣布集体卒业。这
次大规模卒业背后的谣传和原因众说纷纭，比如SKE资源太少啦、成员感到失望无出路
啦，让人感觉扑朔迷离。无论如何，这次卒业潮的结果是确定的：SKE48遭到了前所未
有的重创。
（卒业九人组的最后一曲，我的九妹啊，就这样走啦......）
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS1mVBjjPkA
在舆论界议论纷纷的同一时间，我玲女神在官方blog写下了自己的感受：“没有因为讨
厌SKE48而毕业的成员。9名成员现在是如同早在接受SKE48审核的时候就决定的那样、
今后将开始踏上新的道路实现梦想……毕业是无法避免的道路，为了能将SKE48更上一
层楼我们今后必须的更加努力。”
2013年4月13日，为了挽救SKE48，运营对SKE进行了大改组（官方称为大组阁）。SKE的
三支队伍Team S、Team KII和Team E都进行了大幅度的人事调动，并且紧急升格了大量
的研究生（trainee），分入三支队伍。我玲女神从Team S中被抽调出，进入Team E，
并成为该队队长（... 阅读全帖 |
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d*******h
发帖数: 2146 | 27 【 以下文字转载自 TAX 讨论区 】
发信人: deadDeath (dd), 信区: TAX
标 题: 技术讨论贴[F1 income tax]
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 25 12:14:31 2011, 美东)
ARTICLE 20
(Students and Trainees)
A student, business apprentice or trainee who is, or was immediately before
visiting a Contracting State, a
resident of the other Contracting State and who is present in the first-
mentioned Contracting State solely for the
purpose of his education, training or obtaining special technical experience
shall be exempt from tax in that
Contracti... 阅读全帖 |
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C********g
发帖数: 9656 | 28 【 以下文字转载自 ChinaNews 讨论区 】
发信人: Reuer (小将trainee), 信区: ChinaNews
标 题: Re: 刘志军是中华好男儿 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 28 22:32:39 2011, 美东)
发信人: Reuer (小将trainee), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 刘志军是中华好男儿
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 28 22:32:26 2011, 美东)
小将说刘志军是现代英雄，我以为当小将需要英文好；
小将说恭喜happy holiday，我以为当小将需要数学好；
小将说死了十万伊朗男剩下一百万寡妇，我以为当小将需要历史好；
其实当小将只需要政治好。 |
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s****a
发帖数: 261 | 29 Some big companies concern this point. In some company, new trainee with one
SOA exam passed can expect to earn more than $60,000. Usually salary
increases are awarded to trainees who are successful on the actuarial exams.
If you have more exams passed, you will definitely have exam increase in
you salary. For instance, with 5 exams passed, you could get 70k base salary
in my current company. But if you do not have any experience, you may be
eliminated. |
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L******e
发帖数: 679 | 30 Yes. ~$40000 is only for entry level technician. I heard from a superviser (
she came to enroll new trainees) that a technician level can even earn $
100,000/year if he/she wants to take the night/weekend/ shifts.
A specialist level should be more than $70,000.
In US, there is always more need for the clinical technicians. However, they
intently limit the number of trainees. |
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w***t
发帖数: 303 | 31 是啊，这年头，能满足1.有名气 2.热爱科学 3.给trainee自由 4.活跃 5.课题有前途
6.支持
trainee 7.经费充足 8., 9., ....能有几个？像我们领域能满足这种条件的老板不到5
个人吧。有些虽
然名气很大，也在名校盘踞，但普通人去了基本就是找死。运气很好可能可以混几年爬
出来。 |
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p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 32 我也没有啊 但是有几次机会看到过别的大牛写给别人的推荐信 也就是扫一眼。感觉最
牛b的写法就是这样的：我这辈子最好的trainee就是伊；或者伊可以和我最好的几个tr
ainee相提并论，by the way，我那几个trainee现在是HHMI，NAS，blabla |
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b*****e
发帖数: 288 | 33 你这条理解得不对。
US-CHINA TAX TREATY里面A20，第一句特意强调了"is, or was"
因此只要是当年在用F签证入境的时候是从中国直接入美的，那么LZ转J1之后，照样符合免税
条款。
REFERENCE：
ARTICLE 20
(Students and Trainees)
A student, business apprentice or trainee who is, or was immediately
before visiting a Contracting State, a resident of the other Contracting State and
who is present in the first- mentioned Contracting State solely for the purpose of
his education, training or obtaining special technical experience shall be
exempt from tax in that Contractin... 阅读全帖 |
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n********k
发帖数: 2818 | 34 I don't think it is about training, it is more about the timing at least in
the case of Bob's trainee, BTW, some of his later trainee doing well with
RNA and stem cell field, right?...some senior PI could offer the same if not
better---like urs, Fred Gage, and France Crick, sydney brenner etc, they
are always at the leading edge and thinking big and ahead of the herd
Jorgensen
and |
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y******8
发帖数: 1764 | 35 I am not a PI.
When you feel the frustration of doing basic research, blaming your PI is
easy, but will not work out.
I thought my PhD advisor was not supportive enough. Later on, I knew he did
what he could. I thought my first postdoc treated me unfairly. Then I found
out he tried his best, but in his own way.
Doing research is always about being bold and devoted. Applying funding has
been always considered as a distraction by many PIs. So, how can you expect
the PI to consider much about your ... 阅读全帖 |
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n********k
发帖数: 2818 | 36 Since some of you folks are so bored like talking about The Chinese Journal of Universe:))), so here are some of my random thoughts, and was just wondering what folks would think of the following bosses(forget those ideal bosses):
1. Every new hiring starts with relative low pay but those high achievers (
with reasonable and justified criteria) will receive pay raise accordingly
in a reasonable pace; or Everyone starts with a median pay, then high
performers will receive pay raise accordingly ... 阅读全帖 |
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D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 37 1. Every new hiring starts with relative low pay but those high achievers (
with reasonable and justified criteria) will receive pay raise accordingly
in a reasonable pace; or Everyone starts with a median pay, then high
performers will receive pay raise accordingly and low ones will receive pay
cuts...
不好，虽然作为老板雇人面试看人不准时有发生，但是他自己连对自己识人的信心都没
有（所以才Every new hiring starts with relative low/median pay），还能有啥期
望？
2. A tough boss who is strict (occasionally too much) with high
expectationbut offers ... 阅读全帖 |
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g********0
发帖数: 6201 | 38 Insubordination in the Lab
05/23/2012 David Pittman
In two recent cases, post-docs have published data without their principal
investigator’s consent. Can this be prevented from happening again?
Jiasheng Diao was a post-doc at the Purdue University, working in the lab of
X-ray crystallographer Miriam Hasson on structure of the protein butyrate
kinase when Hasson passed away in 2006. As a result, the university gave
control of her protein structure data to her husband, Purdue biochemist
David San... 阅读全帖 |
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s****9
发帖数: 932 | 39 我同意她的观点，现在的很多老板都不懂science，整天social，搞钱，像个
businessman。有些实验室很大，老板根本没有时间训练学生和博后。相当多的大牛老
板占用了太多的钱和资源（资源包括实验设备和高水品的博厚）。
我觉得应该这样，规定
1。每个R01 grant 最多只能hire一个学生或者博后，鼓励老板亲手做实验。
2。提供大量的需要竞争的training fellowship。如果学生拿不到fellowship，那么就
必须做TA，往teaching的路上引导。控制fellowship的数目一定程度上也控制了学校招
过多的学生。
3。每个PI不能hire超过6个trainee （包括学生或者postdoc）。如果你有很多
industry的钱，超过的人请你hire staff scientist.
4。鼓励创新和冒险，NIH grant应该support 10年而不是5年。
5。除特定的情况，每个PI不能拥有超过3个NIH grant.
6。不赞成给postdoc trainee长工资，这个并不是一个长期的工作。 |
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发帖数: 46 | 40 This is from what I understand from my boss:
NIH propose to increase the stipend for pre-docs and post-docs (because some
people strongly believe that the trainees should make enough for living),
but shrink the budget for R01. Because the new R01 budget will no longer
cover trainees' stipends. All post-docs and pre-docs should be on T32. In
the end, NIH will save money on indirect cost because less indirect cost for
training grants.
so here are the consequences: (1) good luck to international pr... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 331 | 41 See Stanford Postdoc Handbook:
"All foreign nationals holding a postdoctoral scholar positions are expected
to come to Stanford University in an exchange visitor (J-1) status.
Only in compelling circumstances and only following prior review and
approval will the University sponsor a postdoctoral scholar for an H-1B/E3 (
or other H-1B equivalent immigration status) visa (Temporary Specialty
Worker) petition."
其它UC系统类似，不是一定不给，而是不倾向给，所以没特殊原因或老板too nice，一
般都J1.
这是为什么？同样见stanford postdoc handbook：
首先... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 331 | 42 See Stanford Postdoc Handbook:
"All foreign nationals holding a postdoctoral scholar positions are expected
to come to Stanford University in an exchange visitor (J-1) status.
Only in compelling circumstances and only following prior review and
approval will the University sponsor a postdoctoral scholar for an H-1B/E3 (
or other H-1B equivalent immigration status) visa (Temporary Specialty
Worker) petition."
其它UC系统类似，不是一定不给，而是不倾向给，所以没特殊原因或老板too nice，一
般都J1.
这是为什么？同样见stanford postdoc handbook：
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发帖数: 932 | 43 如果我是director，我就规定NIH R01的钱不能用来hire学生和postdoc。然后发更多的
fellowship给学生和薄厚来控制从业人数。PI吸引有fellowship的学生和postdoc加入
。但是规定每个实验室不能take超过6个有fellowship的人。Fellowship跟trainee，不
跟实验室。如果大家合不来，学生和postdoc带着fellowship离开。
几点好处：
1.减少PI的压力，一个R01就能够真正把实验室run起来。如果吸引不到学生和postdoc
，PI自己做试验。
2.学生和postdoc有更大的选择空间，不用过于依赖PI。PI真正的指导trainee，而不是
老板。
3.控制人数和过于膨胀的发展。提高fellowship的pay，根据grant的数量发fellowship。 |
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发帖数: 1789 | 44 谢博士老板，她训练过的中国博后无一例外离开后还是千老。她自己当年做2年博后就
独立了。 现在她实验室的人做博后到永远， 吃人啊。还有几个2003， 2007，2008年
就开始的.
Yun Qiu Ph.D.
Academic Title: Professor
Ph.D., Rutgers University, 1995
Postdoctoral Fellow, Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine,
1995-1997
Recent Trainees:
Postdoctoral Trainees
Riyan Chen, Ph.D.,(1999-2001), Research Associate, McGill University,
Canada
Jianbo Yang, MD., Ph.D., (2000-2002), Research Associate, University of
Minnesota
Oekyung Kim, Ph.D.,(2000-2002), Assistant Pr... 阅读全帖 |
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l****y
发帖数: 486 | 45 既然有人把我的贴子转过来，我把我的观点再说一遍。
生物弄到现在这个情况，是 leaders, PIs, students/PIs 三方共同造成的。
Leaders: 领导好大喜功，不能正确认识到这个学科和别的学科，比如说计算机学，的
本质区别，盲目扩张（没办法，这是人的本性，没有哪个领导会说我有政绩是因为我把
一门学科给缩小了，总会话我干的好是因为我把队伍壮大了）
PIs: 少数变态除外，多数老板都不坏，他们都希望手下做得好能成功，因为手下成功
才意味他们的成功。但问题是多数老板都比较贪，喜欢多招人把实验室弄得大（没办法
，这又是人的本性）说的好听点叫 ambitious，说的不好听点，叫没有自之知明。做生
物重要的是要 focus on a SPCIFIC research area, ask and address a SPECIFIC
biological question. 很多诺奖工作都不是人多堆起来的。但很多老板都不能跟据自
己的情况和 research program 去正确地估价应该建多大的实验室和招多少人，喜欢人
越多越好，人一多就只能乱做，乱做成功率就会下降很多。
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发帖数: 5516 | 46 如果NIH总量控制，他们对学术标准会定的很高，用以控制数量。国内非985的生物学生
，不论本科或博士来美国会很困难，但不会比工科学生更难，美国现在的工科课题经费
总量和NIH相比就是个零头。
把入口堵死比把出路堵死对trainee更公平些吧，以免trainee做廉价劳动力多年。 |
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发帖数: 5516 | 47 这个行业是政府主导的行业，和美国文化基本无关，大部分美国行业都不存在这种
nonsense的情况。政府在biomedical领域是乱花纳税人钱去培养社会不需要的人才，产
生很多的问题，政府原先的想法是利用trainee的廉价劳动力，降低行业成本。可现在
这招在美国已经不灵了，行业的人力成本下降带来人力资源的恶化和枯竭，原先还有中
印优质穷学生来充数，现在这招也渐渐失灵。
在最近几年无职业出路的千老人数暴涨的情况下，NIH的做法是加大AP的基金中奖率，
而不是在源头上控制新PhD和新千老的位置增长。NIH希望用此方法希望能增加新AP，降
低千老池的人数，这个基本是wishful thinking。原因就是新AP开实验室也要新人手，
只会需要更多的学生和千老，结果就是死胡同变得更拥挤。在可以预计的将来，这个问
题只会进一步恶化，各个实验室的经费会更紧张。
老板们其实都知道行业整体减少新人有利于行业生态，可是就怕单单自己实验室减少新
人失去发文章申请经费的竞争地位，典型的囚徒困境。
一个行业或产业经历过恶意炒作，无序低价竞争的泡沫期后，正确的做法是提高行业准
入门槛，保护行业继续发展，可现在... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5516 | 48 这个行业是政府主导的行业，和美国文化基本无关，大部分美国行业都不存在这种
nonsense的情况。政府在biomedical领域是乱花纳税人钱去培养社会不需要的人才，产
生很多的问题，政府原先的想法是利用trainee的廉价劳动力，降低行业成本。可现在
这招在美国已经不灵了，行业的人力成本下降带来优质人力资源的恶化和枯竭，原先还
有中
印优质穷学生来充数，现在这招也渐渐失灵。
在最近几年无职业出路的千老人数暴涨的情况下，NIH的做法是加大AP的基金中奖率，
而不是在源头上控制新PhD和新千老的位置增长。NIH希望用此方法希望能增加新AP，降
低千老池的人数，这个基本是wishful thinking。原因就是新AP开实验室也要新人手，
只会需要更多的学生和千老，结果就是死胡同变得更拥挤。在可以预计的将来，这个问
题只会进一步恶化，各个实验室的经费会更紧张。
老板们其实都知道行业整体减少新人有利于行业生态，可是就怕单单自己实验室减少新
人失去发文章申请经费的竞争地位，典型的囚徒困境。
一个行业或产业经历过恶意炒作，无序低价竞争的泡沫期后，正确的做法是提高行业准
入门槛，保护行业继续发展，... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2041 | 49 Did you guys even read the article? They are literally saying nothing wrong
with the current Ph.D. training except the trainees are not informed openly
and about alternative careers. It is not easy to just admit that we OVER-
TRAINED people. How many of your Deans and chairs keep wanting more
graduate students (I literally told my chair that I won't use my R01 for
students and will hire a tech or post-doc before them)? The easiest way to
fix this is to forbid R01 and R grants to pay for grad... 阅读全帖 |
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ucfu (tiger) 于 (Tue Jun 16 00:47:37 2009, 美东) 提到:
对美国的临床病理医生的分类不是太清楚，是不是有的检验医生也是属于病理医生？也
需要考Board？Clinical Chemistry属于Clinical Pathologist吗？先谢了。
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ANOA (溪头卧) 于 (Tue Jun 16 01:57:34 2009, 美东) 提到:
对美国的临床病理医生的分类不是太清楚，是不是有的检验医生也是属于病理医生？
是。属于CP(Clinical Pathology).
也需要考Board？
是。可申请CP only或AP/CP住院医生。但clinical chemistry 和microbiology很多由
PhD负责，不需考Board.
Clinical Chemistry属于Clinical Pathologist吗？
是。
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