w****1 发帖数: 4931 | 1 I guess heel strike wasn't good after all, even for Haile. Had he stayed a
forefoot striker, he may still have AT problems but definitely wouldn't have
injured his knee. |
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w****1 发帖数: 4931 | 2 He switched from forefoot to heel when he made the transition to the
marathon. He said that heel strike was more efficient for him (over the
longer distance). |
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R*****s 发帖数: 41236 | 3 ic, so heel strike is bad for knee, forefoot striker is bad for AT,
maybe midfoot strike is the way to go... |
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b***i 发帖数: 10018 | 4 yes, and i've been trying to run forefoot, pulled my left calf last week. |
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b*********a 发帖数: 1145 | 5 最近全是跑水泥路,forefoot landing。有一周连续跑了7天,每天5迈,没有受伤。然
后休息两天后胆子大了。连续两天10迈,哦计划两天10迈,结果第2天跑到8迈就撤了,
脚疼,现在休息中。
不知道以后好了怎么跑,我如果一天5迈是确定没问题的,但是我希望能最终达到每天
10迈,水泥路,这有可能吗?长期下去不受伤?
如果慢慢加mileage,是不是就没有问题了?我只有休息的时候去公园long run可以跑
好点的路,平时要图方便只能跑水泥路,我就是希望平时能每天跑10迈就好了,5迈有
点少 |
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b*********a 发帖数: 1145 | 6 hug back!呵呵,最近在重新学跑步,这个 forefoot landing让我又爱又恨,不断受伤
,60K是不敢想了,你要去吗? |
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b***i 发帖数: 10018 | 7 http://www.saucony.com/store/SiteController/saucony/productdetails?productId=4-103840
先说优点:
1.有足够的cushion,不像racing flat那么薄,跑long run不会太累。
2.轻,只有7.7oz,比speedstar4还要轻1.2oz。
3.鞋底前后的高度跟nike free run很类似,都是穿上去很自然就会跑出midfoot/
forefoot landing的。
4.前脚掌outsole不容易嵌石子。
5.外表比较新潮,有很多种颜色可以选择。
我穿了70迈,对它是又爱又恨。刚穿上去的时候觉得挺合脚的,但是跑久了就出问题了。
1.双脚大拇指外侧有些老茧,被它toe box的一条带子磨得很疼。后来跟同size的
Speedstar4比较,才发现Kinvara短了1-2cm。
2.脚后跟Heel Bursa(脚跟骨头和Achilles Tendon之间的地方),被它磨得发炎了。一
开始还以为是mileage提升得太快而造成AT发炎。由于跟其他跑鞋混穿,所以一直找不
出真正原因。后来决... 阅读全帖 |
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b***i 发帖数: 10018 | 8 Your biomechanics must be very good. Do you forefoot/midfoot/heel strike?
Have you changed your running form since wearing minimalists?
题了。今天60k跑鞋是底超薄的corss country鞋。还有就是尽量跑松软的trail。 |
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T****a 发帖数: 4651 | 10 恭喜PR, 我也觉得游泳对腿部疲劳的恢复很有帮助 |
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g*******m 发帖数: 182 | 12 Nimbus 12,还没有试过其他鞋,感觉非常不错。 |
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T****a 发帖数: 4651 | 13 Nimbus is as heavy as a brick, you may consider minimum-style ones like BAN
DA just recommended and they may bump you up more... |
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x******9 发帖数: 1866 | 14 只要不是heel strike就行,目的是缓冲和尽量减少速度损失。每个人的解剖结构有差
异,动作不能强求统一,个人认为长跑怎样节能怎样来。 |
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m**h 发帖数: 618 | 15 second that. diff is heaven & earth.
BAN |
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m**h 发帖数: 618 | 16 it is definitely harder. talk about nimbus... i have 4 pairs in storage.
used to love it very much. |
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j******e 发帖数: 129 | 17 新人,请轻拍。成绩一般,主要是以感恩的心情写下这个流水账。感恩节快到了,
happy Thanksgiving!
先说一下结果:
60K, 37.2mile, total time: 6:34:13
Garmin 记录的距离: 38.02 miles
基本上完成目标:完成比赛,7小时之前。
周六的比赛,早上8点开始。我和serendip一起到NYRR取了号,和oAmAo在起点顺利汇合
。Serendip计划开始的26 mile, push自己,当做marathon跑,看看自己现在状态,剩
下的路程看状态。作为新人的我,很幸运,能和oAmAo一起跑。oAmAo很体贴的制定一个
适合我的作战方案。我们计划前3圈10:15的pace, 中间3圈9:45的pace, 最后3圈看自己
的感觉,状态好的话冲一下9:30。其中每一圈为4 mile。
Serendip在跑前,特意提醒我们,跑的时候,要注意找切线跑。Central park的路线,
很多地方都有那种8字形的路,所以尽量不要沿着公路上的白线跑,而是找准最近距离
跑。后面在跑的过程,这个被证实确实很有效。有个蓝衣mm,前两圈一直和我们咬着很... 阅读全帖 |
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b***i 发帖数: 10018 | 18 Seems like these injuries like AT and shin splints are all related to
running forefoot on hard surface too much too soon? Maybe you will be better
running more on soft surface. BTW, do you stretch and ice a lot? |
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f*******e 发帖数: 4531 | 19 forefoot landing跑得AT疼痛,有什么好的解救办法吗?大概要休息几天? |
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R*****s 发帖数: 41236 | 20 我发现我也不是纯forefoot landing, 除非是步幅特别大的时候,
或者是故意踮脚跑。。。 |
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R*****s 发帖数: 41236 | 21 以前白老大贴过的, 我觉得还是forefoot, 至少是midfoot landing好点,
多一个缓冲, 脚跟着地就是直接冲击膝盖。。
就是对脚弓, 跟腱, 小腿要求比较高。。
10k什么的.100m当然没问题.是不是没救了 :( |
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i*********5 发帖数: 19210 | 22 I would agree. If you can't do forefoot, at least switch to midfoot to
prevent injuries.
I was just reading another article today at triful.com "Three Key Components
To Improve Your Running Form". The 2nd key component is to get rid of heel
strike.
http://www.trifuel.com/training/run/three-key-components-to-imp |
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f*******e 发帖数: 4531 | 23 forefoot landing is not easy if you don't have strong calves and ATs. |
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O****e 发帖数: 3290 | 24 竞走应该是最快的走路,也可以认为是慢跑的极限形式,竞走是清一色的heel strike。
呵呵,今天走路时突然想到的,贴出来刺激一下大家关于跑步是应该forefoot 还是
heel strike 的思考。 |
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w****1 发帖数: 4931 | 25 Many speedy guys you see in races and on track teams never do LHR. I don't
believe LHR is necessary for running fast. Speed does not cause injuries. Bad
forms causes injuries. And bad forms tend to occur when one is tired,
either from speed or distance. Forefoot runners, ditch cushioned heels and
go flat. Once you go flat, you will never go back.:)
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w****1 发帖数: 4931 | 27 my feeling is that when you do forefoot strike, being able to land your feet
relatively flat reduces the stress.
daniel lieberman claims that high heel shoes generate more impact and
suggested me to do a test wearing
different shoes in his lab though I have not done it.
the
flexing |
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R*****s 发帖数: 41236 | 28 嗯, 我现在觉得可能是没cushion的鞋会让人自然跑的更慢, 落脚更轻,
用forefoot landing的原因。。 |
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b***i 发帖数: 10018 | 29 我的理解:
脚跟的磨损情况和pronation关系不大,和forefoot/midfoot/heel着地有关系,如果有
磨损都是磨外侧的,这个一时半会改不了。因为你前脚掌外侧磨得比内侧多,所以我建
议你试试neutral shoes。 |
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R*****s 发帖数: 41236 | 30 其实就算是forefoot landing, 似乎磨损最厉害的还是脚后跟外侧,
right? |
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b***i 发帖数: 10018 | 31 不对。forefoot landing脚后跟几乎没有磨损 |
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R*****s 发帖数: 41236 | 32 我觉得, 跑鞋最好各种type都买上, 换着穿, VFF跑步机上跑跑,
能帮你找找forefoot landing的感觉。。
普通跑鞋超过500迈, 最好还是换换, 有可能导致受伤。。 |
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s******p 发帖数: 819 | 33 我forefoot,但是我的flat脚后跟还是有磨损,特别是脚后跟外侧
脚指一直踮着不出毛病才怪,特别是downhill |
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R*****s 发帖数: 41236 | 35 那你咋知道forefoot running的鞋子脚后跟没有磨损捏。。。 |
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S*********g 发帖数: 7653 | 36 不知道花花大牛多重?120磅?
恩,虽然我不知道我现在多重了,不过最近在努力减肥,效果显著,虽然没称,但是可
以明显的看到
手上的各种骨头:手指骨,手腕的那一圈骨头。。。
然后就是脸:可能我的基因还真是脸要等全身没什么可以掉的脂肪了,才开始瘦。最近
脸瘦的特别厉
害,现在感觉就是完全刮下来了,用我们那边的方言说就是“刮瘦的”
背:游泳池旁边的换衣服的镜子里可以看到背上脊柱的那一节节的骨头,哈,还是有点
恐怖的说
屁股:本来感觉屁股上的肉是比较多的,我也不知道为啥人的屁股上要长那么多肉,现
在感觉少了很
多,原因是现在坐那种游泳池边的瓷砖凳要很小心,因为会磕得疼,在办公室坐在一个
还是挺软的椅
子上,居然也有点痛,久而久之磨出了两个“疖子”一样的东西。。。
尽管如此,感觉体重轻真是好啊,那天跑了个easy 10miles,昨天没跑,游泳了很多,
今天想着出
去跑一个tempo,结果刚跑没到0.5miles就觉得想上厕所,结果前4miles跑成了easy,然
后看见
一个coffee shop,冲进去解决问题,马上出来tempo,最后总共8miles结束,前半段
easy,后半
段temp... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****t 发帖数: 558 | 37 i have exactly the same problem! i was a heel striker before and had tons of
troubles w/ my knees. recently i notice that i am switching to mid-to
forefoot landing involuntarily!. no more knee problems. but my calves are
killing me. i tried to do a 14-16 miler last weekend, but had to cut short
at mile 12 because of pain in the calves. |
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y******n 发帖数: 4527 | 38 The pain is in the back, not front, right?
I have the same pain when I land with forefoot. It just needs stronger
muscle, in my case, to sustain the landing impact on lower legs. So I have
to take one day off after a hard run in order to let muscle relax.
I do stretch and do not think it helps immediately unless your legs are
stronger. |
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R*****s 发帖数: 41236 | 39 今天穿着SS4跑Cruise Interval, 最后1迈cooldown的时候无聊就
想这个跑鞋的事情。 SS4这个以前的跑版明星, 虽然轻薄, 但是
其实heel to toe也是不小的。 后跟高的鞋子, 非常容易就heel
landing了, 往好处想, 是帮你减震, 往坏处想, 其实是帮你
减速。。
而且后跟高的话, 如果想forefoot landing, 就必须使劲踮脚,
才能保证鞋跟不着地。。等到4月份, 不管Kinvara是否打折都要进
一双试试看了。。 |
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w********6 发帖数: 12977 | 40 when you are running with race flat with much less support in a race, with
much higher effort level and for a much longer distance, you are looking
for trouble.
My last marathon taught me this lesson: my forefoot was hurting like hell
only after 1/4 of the race |
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b********k 发帖数: 427 | 42 即便是forefoot strike,脚跟也是会着地的对吧?并不是完全不着地,踮着脚尖那种? |
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b***i 发帖数: 10018 | 43 forefoot strike脚跟可以轻着地,但不是先着地。
种? |
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w********6 发帖数: 12977 | 44 dorsiflexed 对于 forefoot landing 就更困难了,因为容易heel strick |
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S*M 发帖数: 10832 | 45 买不起Five Finger啊
看了版上人的经验,就拿这种便宜的水鞋代替了
效果的确很明显的
立马就变forefoot landing了
而且感觉脚下很轻盈,虽然pace并不快
可能是接触地面的时间变短了
跑完小腿肚子异常的紧
准备以后easy run都用这鞋了 |
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t******g 发帖数: 17520 | 46 bless 一下LZ,还要谢谢分享
VFF 穿了2个多礼拜了, 也有反映了, 后跟两侧(一天前是2侧, 今天是单侧, 外侧
) posterior tibial (刚查的) 的地方有点涨痛,就是forefoot 站立姿势用的地方
感觉过两三天应该就好了不过。。。
我是不是应该准备等serious 跑起来前应该去看个医生, 拍个片子或是MIR啥的?
存个底 |
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j***y 发帖数: 5098 | 47 赞,跑的很轻盈,
看你光脚的,觉得更像forefoot landing |
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w********6 发帖数: 12977 | 48 在斑竹的推荐下,我穿HyperSpeed已经有接近一百迈了,轻便是优点,low heel-to-
toe drop 的
优点没有太多感觉,因为我一直是forefoot landing.
现在对于她的致命弱点非常讨厌:鞋底非常容易嵌入石头。
我跑步绝大多数在running trail, 砂石土混合,所以经常有很大的石头嵌入。
有一次晚上到了一个程度,跑进一个running/biking 合并的水泥路,居然火花四溅!
而且经常就是石头在前掌落地的地方,非常影响跑步。
所以,除非你跑公路,否则,谨慎购买HyperSpeed |
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w****1 发帖数: 4931 | 49 It was 4:30 in the morning. Baiji, Ryanflower and I were up, getting our
bags, ready for the big race. We got
on the bus around 6 which took us from Boston common to Hopkinton. The
temperature was in the 40s and
windy. Some say it was once in a life time weather for Boston marathon (
though it heated up a bit after the
race started and I didn't feel much wind except for a few short moments).
Going to the bathroom close to
race start is tricky. Baiji had the great idea of using gatorade bottles
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R*****s 发帖数: 41236 | 50 same here, 除了鞋跟外侧的橡胶磨穿了, 其它都跟新的一样。。。
从经济角度出发, 也得练forefoot landing啊 :) |
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